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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-breath-of-fresh-policy/#comment-1542673</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;increase of ground troops by over 90,000?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;escalation in afghanistan in support of our puppet gov? and pakistan?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;continuing military presence in iraq? while blaming the iraqis for current problems?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;as i recall, even bush when he was campaigning in 2000 sounded better than this. my head hurts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this is the most depressing thing i’ve heard since.. ok, it’s only been since the dems in congress trashed the constitution and justfied it as good policy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;course i’m only up to 23 minutes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>increase of ground troops by over 90,000?</p>
<p>escalation in afghanistan in support of our puppet gov? and pakistan?</p>
<p>continuing military presence in iraq? while blaming the iraqis for current problems?</p>
<p>as i recall, even bush when he was campaigning in 2000 sounded better than this. my head hurts.</p>
<p>this is the most depressing thing i’ve heard since.. ok, it’s only been since the dems in congress trashed the constitution and justfied it as good policy.</p>
<p>course i’m only up to 23 minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: SoCali</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-breath-of-fresh-policy/#comment-1542594</link>
		<dc:creator>SoCali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I find Obama’s Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran position as outlined in his NYT’s op-ed, to be more in line with the Bush administration and the mindless “war on terror” than many of his supporters would like to acknowledge.&lt;br /&gt;
From the man who said he opposed the war in Iraq, while funding it every step of the way, we seem to be getting a new front for the “war on terror” in Afghanistan. For that front, he advocates more money and resources for the “mission.”&lt;br /&gt;
Is the “mission” to defeat the “Taliban?” Is the mission to re-build the country? Defeat Al Qaeda? Seize control from the warlords? Destroy the poppy fields? We could be there decades. Doesn’t the Soviet lesson tell us anything?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the “mission” is to use Afghanistan as a base to attack the “terrorist” isolated in the mountainous border region, how in fact will he do that. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His op-ed piece contains stereotypical assertions and strategies mouthed by the same people that brought us the Iraq debacle.&lt;br /&gt;
Is everyone ready for an unlimited timeframe and ill-defined “mission” in Afghanstan with the necessary commitment of troops and money to complete whatever is the “mission?”&lt;br /&gt;
I have these questions from his op-ed:&lt;br /&gt;
Does “the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban” have any concrete meaning in relationship to our mission in Afghanistan? Is it possible to be successful when there is wide-spread support for those groups in both Afghanistan and Pakistan?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When Obama says, “Nearly every threat we face — from Afghanistan to Al Qaeda to Iran ” does he believe we face a threat from Iran? Do we?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Was this ever a real problem and is his statement true, “the Sunni tribes have rejected Al Qaeda.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is almost laughable that he has this statement from, “Lt. Gen. James Dubik, the American officer in charge of training Iraq’s security forces, estimates that the Iraqi Army and police will be ready to assume responsibility for security in 2009.”&lt;br /&gt;
After billions of dollars and multiple similar assertions, is there any reason to believe this one?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is another talking point that was never accurate: “residual force in Iraq would perform limited missions: going after any remnants of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia.” Was or is that the problem or is it the civil war between rival religious and sectarian forces? How big of a factor was “Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then for the money line he quotes, “Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, recently pointed out, we won’t have sufficient resources to finish the job in Afghanistan until we reduce our commitment to Iraq.&lt;br /&gt;
What is that “job?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess Obama wants to be a wartime president with this characterization: “We need more troops, more helicopters, better intelligence-gathering and more nonmilitary assistance to accomplish the mission there (Afghanistan).”&lt;br /&gt;
Obama goes from “job” to “mission” to “effort” in what amounts to an endless undefined commitment.&lt;br /&gt;
Obama ends with, “It’s time to end this war.” And escalate a new war in Afghanistan?&lt;br /&gt;
I found the op-ed disingenuous.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find Obama’s Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran position as outlined in his NYT’s op-ed, to be more in line with the Bush administration and the mindless “war on terror” than many of his supporters would like to acknowledge.<br />
From the man who said he opposed the war in Iraq, while funding it every step of the way, we seem to be getting a new front for the “war on terror” in Afghanistan. For that front, he advocates more money and resources for the “mission.”<br />
Is the “mission” to defeat the “Taliban?” Is the mission to re-build the country? Defeat Al Qaeda? Seize control from the warlords? Destroy the poppy fields? We could be there decades. Doesn’t the Soviet lesson tell us anything?</p>
<p>If the “mission” is to use Afghanistan as a base to attack the “terrorist” isolated in the mountainous border region, how in fact will he do that. </p>
<p>His op-ed piece contains stereotypical assertions and strategies mouthed by the same people that brought us the Iraq debacle.<br />
Is everyone ready for an unlimited timeframe and ill-defined “mission” in Afghanstan with the necessary commitment of troops and money to complete whatever is the “mission?”<br />
I have these questions from his op-ed:<br />
Does “the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban” have any concrete meaning in relationship to our mission in Afghanistan? Is it possible to be successful when there is wide-spread support for those groups in both Afghanistan and Pakistan?</p>
<p>When Obama says, “Nearly every threat we face — from Afghanistan to Al Qaeda to Iran ” does he believe we face a threat from Iran? Do we?</p>
<p>Was this ever a real problem and is his statement true, “the Sunni tribes have rejected Al Qaeda.”</p>
<p>It is almost laughable that he has this statement from, “Lt. Gen. James Dubik, the American officer in charge of training Iraq’s security forces, estimates that the Iraqi Army and police will be ready to assume responsibility for security in 2009.”<br />
After billions of dollars and multiple similar assertions, is there any reason to believe this one?</p>
<p>This is another talking point that was never accurate: “residual force in Iraq would perform limited missions: going after any remnants of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia.” Was or is that the problem or is it the civil war between rival religious and sectarian forces? How big of a factor was “Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia?”</p>
<p>Then for the money line he quotes, “Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, recently pointed out, we won’t have sufficient resources to finish the job in Afghanistan until we reduce our commitment to Iraq.<br />
What is that “job?”</p>
<p>I guess Obama wants to be a wartime president with this characterization: “We need more troops, more helicopters, better intelligence-gathering and more nonmilitary assistance to accomplish the mission there (Afghanistan).”<br />
Obama goes from “job” to “mission” to “effort” in what amounts to an endless undefined commitment.<br />
Obama ends with, “It’s time to end this war.” And escalate a new war in Afghanistan?<br />
I found the op-ed disingenuous.</p>
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		<title>By: GabrielOak</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-breath-of-fresh-policy/#comment-1542495</link>
		<dc:creator>GabrielOak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the informative post, Christy.  I guess it’s getting to be time to reach into my pocket and send a contribution to Obama.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the informative post, Christy.  I guess it’s getting to be time to reach into my pocket and send a contribution to Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Fractal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-breath-of-fresh-policy/#comment-1542471</link>
		<dc:creator>Fractal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Barack’s speech was essentially a “21st Century Marshall Plan for Iraq, Afghanistan &amp; Pakistan”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barack’s speech was essentially a “21st Century Marshall Plan for Iraq, Afghanistan &amp; Pakistan”</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-breath-of-fresh-policy/#comment-1542438</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thank you christy and hugh - if i tell christy i’m going to do something, i figure i better actually do it!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you christy and hugh &#8211; if i tell christy i’m going to do something, i figure i better actually do it!</p>
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		<title>By: Fractal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-breath-of-fresh-policy/#comment-1542429</link>
		<dc:creator>Fractal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;great quality audio in the MSNBC video (36 mins.) here:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25689940#25689940&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21.....0#25689940&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great quality audio in the MSNBC video (36 mins.) here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25689940#25689940" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21&#8230;..0#25689940</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-breath-of-fresh-policy/#comment-1542409</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually the text is here:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/amandascott/gGxkFr&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://my.barackobama.com/page.....ott/gGxkFr&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the text is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/amandascott/gGxkFr" rel="nofollow">http://my.barackobama.com/page&#8230;..ott/gGxkFr</a></p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-breath-of-fresh-policy/#comment-1542393</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The link at the top does go to the text now — I updated it as soon as I got the text link.  If you refresh your screen, it should be there for you.  And I’ll add the YouTube soon as I get a link for it…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link at the top does go to the text now — I updated it as soon as I got the text link.  If you refresh your screen, it should be there for you.  And I’ll add the YouTube soon as I get a link for it…</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-breath-of-fresh-policy/#comment-1542388</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;wow. they’re not even trying to be subtle. got a screenshot i can post if there is interest.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. they’re not even trying to be subtle. got a screenshot i can post if there is interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-breath-of-fresh-policy/#comment-1542383</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t have a way to permalink this but you should see the photos up on CNN’s mainpage on this speech Obama, McCain trade jabs on war.  Nice picture of an Obama snarling from beneath deeply shadowed eyes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t have a way to permalink this but you should see the photos up on CNN’s mainpage on this speech Obama, McCain trade jabs on war.  Nice picture of an Obama snarling from beneath deeply shadowed eyes.</p>
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