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	<title>Comments on: Non-Existent Taliban Kill 9 Americans In Afghanistan</title>
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		<title>By: jackie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/non-existent-taliban-kill-9-americans-in-afghanistan/#comment-1541319</link>
		<dc:creator>jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;‘The nexus here is the intersection of the Taliban, the ISI (Pakistani Intelligence), and, of course, nuclear weapons. The Taliban is largely a creation of the ISI, so the idea that they are not allies now is ludicrous. So-the intelligence agency of our nuclear-armed ally in the GWOT, Pakistan, also seems to function as the intelligence agency for the Taliban. Surreal, huh”’&lt;br /&gt;
Just spread it out a bit and you run into the Saudis and all sorts of interesting folks. Darth fits here :)..&lt;br /&gt;
A pretty, smart, blonde lady’s old job fits right in here..&lt;br /&gt;
And, maybe we need to look closer at all the references to Chemical/biological ‘weapons, from a bigBis connection, because Donald Rumsfeld is still quietly watching from the sidelines..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘The nexus here is the intersection of the Taliban, the ISI (Pakistani Intelligence), and, of course, nuclear weapons. The Taliban is largely a creation of the ISI, so the idea that they are not allies now is ludicrous. So-the intelligence agency of our nuclear-armed ally in the GWOT, Pakistan, also seems to function as the intelligence agency for the Taliban. Surreal, huh”’<br />
Just spread it out a bit and you run into the Saudis and all sorts of interesting folks. Darth fits here :)..<br />
A pretty, smart, blonde lady’s old job fits right in here..<br />
And, maybe we need to look closer at all the references to Chemical/biological ‘weapons, from a bigBis connection, because Donald Rumsfeld is still quietly watching from the sidelines..</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and dakine–she went around the metal detector, she HAD to know that was a no-no……you can’t even do that in a courthouse where they know you…….i would think in a public place the guards would be even more on alert-because it’s public. can be anyone with anything trying to get in.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and anyone can go bazookers, and have a mental meltdown, too….even if you are a member of congress.  those security measures are in place for a reason. to protect people like HER.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;they have their pins to identify them so that they can get easy access through security, can’t tell me she didn’t know that was as important as her planner or cellphone or driver’s license when she leaves home in the morning. and what if she lost her pin and didn’t report it? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;for a while, i worked in two different buildings, many floors,  where everyone had to show their badge/id, even when their hands were full at lunchtime bringing in takeout or bags, etc..even when the guard knew you…had to stop and show it. however, if there was noone around, if he knew you, he would let you pass, but never if anyone was watching, he made that clear. even the heads of the company, same thing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;any deliveries were met at the door and signed for, on a different log….in other words, nothing went into that building that wasn’t id’d or logged.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if you forgot your id, you might as well go back home and get it and be late to work rather than have to be signed in, and if you had to be signed in cuz you didn’t have it-you had to show it the next day to show it wasn’t lost…….when i worked in another department i lost mine once in an attic, had to carry it on me, slipped out of my levi’s, it was over 100 in that attic and i looked all over digging around in insulation, that’s how badly i needed to find it….pile of paperwork for my boss. and had to go downtown to get new id the next day, wasn’t allowed to work without one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(later, that boss made me a ’funny’ official id, that was a little picture of a street urchin and said, help me, i’m lost, return me to —–  —-. )&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so, i think it’s a big deal. she knew the rules, same as i did where i worked. she’d been there for 12 years? um, knew them better than most. thought she was entitled to break them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i wouldn’t nominate someone like that to be a presidential candidate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and dakine–she went around the metal detector, she HAD to know that was a no-no……you can’t even do that in a courthouse where they know you…….i would think in a public place the guards would be even more on alert-because it’s public. can be anyone with anything trying to get in.</p>
<p>and anyone can go bazookers, and have a mental meltdown, too….even if you are a member of congress.  those security measures are in place for a reason. to protect people like HER.</p>
<p>they have their pins to identify them so that they can get easy access through security, can’t tell me she didn’t know that was as important as her planner or cellphone or driver’s license when she leaves home in the morning. and what if she lost her pin and didn’t report it? </p>
<p>for a while, i worked in two different buildings, many floors,  where everyone had to show their badge/id, even when their hands were full at lunchtime bringing in takeout or bags, etc..even when the guard knew you…had to stop and show it. however, if there was noone around, if he knew you, he would let you pass, but never if anyone was watching, he made that clear. even the heads of the company, same thing.</p>
<p>any deliveries were met at the door and signed for, on a different log….in other words, nothing went into that building that wasn’t id’d or logged.</p>
<p>if you forgot your id, you might as well go back home and get it and be late to work rather than have to be signed in, and if you had to be signed in cuz you didn’t have it-you had to show it the next day to show it wasn’t lost…….when i worked in another department i lost mine once in an attic, had to carry it on me, slipped out of my levi’s, it was over 100 in that attic and i looked all over digging around in insulation, that’s how badly i needed to find it….pile of paperwork for my boss. and had to go downtown to get new id the next day, wasn’t allowed to work without one.</p>
<p>(later, that boss made me a ’funny’ official id, that was a little picture of a street urchin and said, help me, i’m lost, return me to —–  —-. )</p>
<p>so, i think it’s a big deal. she knew the rules, same as i did where i worked. she’d been there for 12 years? um, knew them better than most. thought she was entitled to break them.</p>
<p>i wouldn’t nominate someone like that to be a presidential candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Talking Points is saying that Waxman’s commitee report on Tillman has a nice tidbit:&lt;br /&gt;
Ron Fournier of AP was messaging back and forth with Karl about Tillman and how it should be covered.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking Points is saying that Waxman’s commitee report on Tillman has a nice tidbit:<br />
Ron Fournier of AP was messaging back and forth with Karl about Tillman and how it should be covered.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes. &lt;em&gt;Everyone&lt;/em&gt; has to have an ID of some kind, or sign in as a visitor. (I did that when I came back after a year and a quarter away - the guards recognized me, &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; I signed in as a visitor.) You need a badge to work the elevators, anyway, and on our floors, except for the company lobby, to get out of the elevator lobbies.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. <em>Everyone</em> has to have an ID of some kind, or sign in as a visitor. (I did that when I came back after a year and a quarter away &#8211; the guards recognized me, <em>and</em> I signed in as a visitor.) You need a badge to work the elevators, anyway, and on our floors, except for the company lobby, to get out of the elevator lobbies.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And I would still submit that it is a different situation for a private employer security than it is for security for the Congress at the Capital building.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You might have been fired/laid off.  At this point, Cynthia McKinney was still a member of Congress and had been for roughly a dozen years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To put this in perspective, is the local Division/Group Manager/Senior Executives for your employer treated the exact same way in showing ID and badges every time s/he enters the building as you are?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I would still submit that it is a different situation for a private employer security than it is for security for the Congress at the Capital building.</p>
<p>You might have been fired/laid off.  At this point, Cynthia McKinney was still a member of Congress and had been for roughly a dozen years.</p>
<p>To put this in perspective, is the local Division/Group Manager/Senior Executives for your employer treated the exact same way in showing ID and badges every time s/he enters the building as you are?</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excellent!  I’m glad they’ve been hearing it a lot lately.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent!  I’m glad they’ve been hearing it a lot lately.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/non-existent-taliban-kill-9-americans-in-afghanistan/#comment-1541147</link>
		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve been working in the same building most of the last 12 years, with a photo ID, &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; pretty much the same set of building security, and I still have to show my badge. We have a cafeteria that is open to the public, a lot of legal offices, and our (roughly fifteen) floors, so there’s some reason for security. (The really public stuff, like the green mermaid coffee, is &lt;em&gt;outside&lt;/em&gt; the security turnstiles.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been working in the same building most of the last 12 years, with a photo ID, <em>and</em> pretty much the same set of building security, and I still have to show my badge. We have a cafeteria that is open to the public, a lot of legal offices, and our (roughly fifteen) floors, so there’s some reason for security. (The really public stuff, like the green mermaid coffee, is <em>outside</em> the security turnstiles.)</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/non-existent-taliban-kill-9-americans-in-afghanistan/#comment-1541115</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;mckinney? sorry, i don’t think much of the woman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;my reaction about mckinney being the green party nominee?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you gotta be kiddin’ me…….no way, who’s in charge there now? are they stupid or just dumb?&lt;br /&gt;
just playin’ at havin’ a political party, nothin’ serious goin’ on here, move along…….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;=====&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the ’guard grab’?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i remember her reaction and what she said at the time, i thought it was atrocious. atrocious. a member of congress acting like a pubescent ’i’m entitled’ kinda gal throwing a tantrum…blaming everyone else for something she started and created and made worse…not pretty, not befitting an elected member of congress, heck, not befitting me or my family if i acted that way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it all got buttered up with her statements later, but go back and read the originals. you’d a thought they tackled her and searched her person right there in the halls for everyone to see her undies. she created the ruckus and made it worse…..she knew the rules. she didn’t think she had to follow them. she reacted like a baby when required to follow them. then slammed people whose job it was to keep her from breaking them. she was emitted from my radar screen after that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and yes i am and was aware who she was and how she voted before that. after this, was hard to put the two into one person, after her tantrum i was never able to. persona nongrata.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mckinney? sorry, i don’t think much of the woman.</p>
<p>my reaction about mckinney being the green party nominee?</p>
<p>you gotta be kiddin’ me…….no way, who’s in charge there now? are they stupid or just dumb?<br />
just playin’ at havin’ a political party, nothin’ serious goin’ on here, move along…….</p>
<p>=====</p>
<p>the ’guard grab’?</p>
<p>i remember her reaction and what she said at the time, i thought it was atrocious. atrocious. a member of congress acting like a pubescent ’i’m entitled’ kinda gal throwing a tantrum…blaming everyone else for something she started and created and made worse…not pretty, not befitting an elected member of congress, heck, not befitting me or my family if i acted that way.</p>
<p>it all got buttered up with her statements later, but go back and read the originals. you’d a thought they tackled her and searched her person right there in the halls for everyone to see her undies. she created the ruckus and made it worse…..she knew the rules. she didn’t think she had to follow them. she reacted like a baby when required to follow them. then slammed people whose job it was to keep her from breaking them. she was emitted from my radar screen after that.</p>
<p>and yes i am and was aware who she was and how she voted before that. after this, was hard to put the two into one person, after her tantrum i was never able to. persona nongrata.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I remember talking to a guy who knows his stuff about Afghanistan back in the fall of 2001 after we’d ‘mission completed’ it.  He said it would take time, but that we’d be dragging our tails out of that place sooner or later, but inevitably.  Sometimes you just have to own up to defeat, the way you own up to lost love.  It isn’t nice, but it happens all the time.  Americans have gotten out of the habit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember talking to a guy who knows his stuff about Afghanistan back in the fall of 2001 after we’d ‘mission completed’ it.  He said it would take time, but that we’d be dragging our tails out of that place sooner or later, but inevitably.  Sometimes you just have to own up to defeat, the way you own up to lost love.  It isn’t nice, but it happens all the time.  Americans have gotten out of the habit.</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And she worked there for a total of 12 years herself.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And she worked there for a total of 12 years herself.</p>
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