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	<title>Comments on: Ignorance And Hatred And The Price Immigrants Pay</title>
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		<title>By: siri</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/ignorance-and-hatred-and-the-price-immigrants-pay/#comment-1541470</link>
		<dc:creator>siri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All this debate over land that was stolen in the first place.  NONE of it belongs to ANYONE currently engaged in the “argument”.&lt;br /&gt;
It never did.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this debate over land that was stolen in the first place.  NONE of it belongs to ANYONE currently engaged in the “argument”.<br />
It never did.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGuy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/ignorance-and-hatred-and-the-price-immigrants-pay/#comment-1541403</link>
		<dc:creator>ThatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fail.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Dearie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/ignorance-and-hatred-and-the-price-immigrants-pay/#comment-1541389</link>
		<dc:creator>Dearie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;America is like a teenager in extremis — note our idiot-in-chief!  What troubles me is that we allow people to come in undocumented so that we can take advantage of their disadvantage.  So wrong.  But it is naive to assume that people can just move around the world as ‘immigrants’ without some order.  I think many people on this thread were very naive…..their communities have probably not been touched yet.  I wish them well.  I got over being naive about it.  And NO I would not hire cheap labor just because I could.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America is like a teenager in extremis — note our idiot-in-chief!  What troubles me is that we allow people to come in undocumented so that we can take advantage of their disadvantage.  So wrong.  But it is naive to assume that people can just move around the world as ‘immigrants’ without some order.  I think many people on this thread were very naive…..their communities have probably not been touched yet.  I wish them well.  I got over being naive about it.  And NO I would not hire cheap labor just because I could.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/ignorance-and-hatred-and-the-price-immigrants-pay/#comment-1541388</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;david is up-two threads up&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/mccain-talks-out-both-sides-of-his-head-to-latinos/#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://firedoglake.com/2008/07...../#comments&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>david is up-two threads up<br /><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/mccain-talks-out-both-sides-of-his-head-to-latinos/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://firedoglake.com/2008/07&#8230;../#comments</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fern</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/ignorance-and-hatred-and-the-price-immigrants-pay/#comment-1541381</link>
		<dc:creator>Fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Never said it was okay - just that some of the methods Americans are using to deal with the issue are not always humane or helpful. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We deport people too - but Canada is not the destination of choice in the same way that the US is for many. And there is half a continent between Mexico and Canada. Though we do bring in quite a few Mexicans as temporary workers and for citizenship-track employment contracts in high-demand occupations.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never said it was okay &#8211; just that some of the methods Americans are using to deal with the issue are not always humane or helpful. </p>
<p>We deport people too &#8211; but Canada is not the destination of choice in the same way that the US is for many. And there is half a continent between Mexico and Canada. Though we do bring in quite a few Mexicans as temporary workers and for citizenship-track employment contracts in high-demand occupations.</p>
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		<title>By: PriscillaQOB</title>
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		<dc:creator>PriscillaQOB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A 9 year-old African American boy was shot and killed while riding his bike in my neighborhood by a legal Mexican gang member (who is 16), his sister, and a cousin, both under 15, a little over a year ago.  My county is actually considered to be the 3rd largest area of gang activity in Florida now.  But then there were 5 shootings involving white teenagers, 2 of whom killed both of their parents in the last 2 years.  There were many other crimes involving white kids, black kids, and brown kids, all tragic.   I have more fear of my white alcoholic neighbors who engage in constant domestic violence and own a collection of weapons for self-protection, they say.  Crime is related to family disintegration, drug and alcohol abuse, and poverty, not nationality or skin color.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bad things happen, bad people exist in all colors.  I grew up in Appalachia but I moved to Florida after teaching in the South Bronx for several years and I was one of a handful of white people in the neighborhood.  I felt completely safe and respected because I respected my neighbors and they had my back — same situation here.    &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Street sense tells me when to avoid dangerous areas, not by the color of the people’s skin nor the language they speak, but by the activities that precipitate violence, like unsupervised teens, drinking and drug use.  I also deplore the socioeconomic conditions that force the kids ( black, white, brown, and all combinations) that I teach to live in 3rd world conditions in America while picking and processing the oranges and tomatoes that many consume daily.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 9 year-old African American boy was shot and killed while riding his bike in my neighborhood by a legal Mexican gang member (who is 16), his sister, and a cousin, both under 15, a little over a year ago.  My county is actually considered to be the 3rd largest area of gang activity in Florida now.  But then there were 5 shootings involving white teenagers, 2 of whom killed both of their parents in the last 2 years.  There were many other crimes involving white kids, black kids, and brown kids, all tragic.   I have more fear of my white alcoholic neighbors who engage in constant domestic violence and own a collection of weapons for self-protection, they say.  Crime is related to family disintegration, drug and alcohol abuse, and poverty, not nationality or skin color.</p>
<p>Bad things happen, bad people exist in all colors.  I grew up in Appalachia but I moved to Florida after teaching in the South Bronx for several years and I was one of a handful of white people in the neighborhood.  I felt completely safe and respected because I respected my neighbors and they had my back — same situation here.    </p>
<p>Street sense tells me when to avoid dangerous areas, not by the color of the people’s skin nor the language they speak, but by the activities that precipitate violence, like unsupervised teens, drinking and drug use.  I also deplore the socioeconomic conditions that force the kids ( black, white, brown, and all combinations) that I teach to live in 3rd world conditions in America while picking and processing the oranges and tomatoes that many consume daily.</p>
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		<title>By: Fern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And here are the details - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here are the details &#8211; <a href="http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Twain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We must do more to see that the immigrant children are educated - whether legal or illegal. They then can move forward in life and contribute to the society. Many immigrants in California are doing quite well and own their own businesses. I think we tend to think of them as bending over picking lettuce but many have become quite wealthy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We must do more to see that the immigrant children are educated &#8211; whether legal or illegal. They then can move forward in life and contribute to the society. Many immigrants in California are doing quite well and own their own businesses. I think we tend to think of them as bending over picking lettuce but many have become quite wealthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dearie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dearie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But it’s okay to do so in the USA?   (which was my original point)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it’s okay to do so in the USA?   (which was my original point)</p>
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		<title>By: Dearie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/ignorance-and-hatred-and-the-price-immigrants-pay/#comment-1541374</link>
		<dc:creator>Dearie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the USA started that way!  Learn Spanish, Fern!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the USA started that way!  Learn Spanish, Fern!</p>
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