Comments on: “Hope” http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:40:39 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540937 ThingsComeUndone Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:39:52 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540937 <p>Bush has given Pakistan Billions in cash and weapons but he has gotten nothing from them on Ossama I think Mr 10% Benny’s husband the leader of Pakistans ruling party although not the countries leader might be willing to listen to pressure from the money front.<br /> After all he got his nickname for supposedly wanting 10% of every government contract. Knowing an other culture and knowing who you are dealing with is important in diplomacy, just being the high and mighty United States and demanding stuff from other countries has not worked.<br /> But we know Mr 10% is in charge, we think that Pakistan’s generals have been skimming from the military aid cash now then if they both have invested the money in America or one of our allies…then we have leverage.<br /> As far as replacing Pakistan’s government well there have been lot of negative stories about Pakistan lately but when the former government was in charge they never got a negative story despite taking our biilions of money for years and never letting us go after Ossama.<br /> I think Bush might be preparing the way to overthrow the current government.</p> Bush has given Pakistan Billions in cash and weapons but he has gotten nothing from them on Ossama I think Mr 10% Benny’s husband the leader of Pakistans ruling party although not the countries leader might be willing to listen to pressure from the money front.
After all he got his nickname for supposedly wanting 10% of every government contract. Knowing an other culture and knowing who you are dealing with is important in diplomacy, just being the high and mighty United States and demanding stuff from other countries has not worked.
But we know Mr 10% is in charge, we think that Pakistan’s generals have been skimming from the military aid cash now then if they both have invested the money in America or one of our allies…then we have leverage.
As far as replacing Pakistan’s government well there have been lot of negative stories about Pakistan lately but when the former government was in charge they never got a negative story despite taking our biilions of money for years and never letting us go after Ossama.
I think Bush might be preparing the way to overthrow the current government.

]]> By: chetnolian http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540800 chetnolian Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:56:38 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540800 <p>Hey you are being just as stupid as the Bushies were on Iraq. Actually the approach to the Pakistani Govt.is about right. By all means keep up the pressure but don’t fail to understand that beating up on the present Government will only get you a new and much worse one. Damn complicated, geopolitics, ain’t it?</p> Hey you are being just as stupid as the Bushies were on Iraq. Actually the approach to the Pakistani Govt.is about right. By all means keep up the pressure but don’t fail to understand that beating up on the present Government will only get you a new and much worse one. Damn complicated, geopolitics, ain’t it?

]]> By: Knut http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540726 Knut Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:53:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540726 <p>Thinking about journamalism and the grand narrative. I think part of it comes from the increasing role of marketing in all areas of American life. It’s the way we sell cars, hamburgers, homes; everything we see on electronic media is infomercial. Now, cut back to the producers who determine what’s said (the talking heads just read the lines, that’s why they are blond and beautiful); you see the news as ’selling’ and you analyze the public’s response to the news accordingly. Nobody believes that a truck is ‘Like a Rock’, but it sells trucks. Ditto, now, Presidents. Our public discourse is irretrievably contaminated by ’selling’. It’s what we’re good at. We sold each other houses at prices inflated by Chinese money for a decade. It was good (for some) while it lasted.</p> Thinking about journamalism and the grand narrative. I think part of it comes from the increasing role of marketing in all areas of American life. It’s the way we sell cars, hamburgers, homes; everything we see on electronic media is infomercial. Now, cut back to the producers who determine what’s said (the talking heads just read the lines, that’s why they are blond and beautiful); you see the news as ’selling’ and you analyze the public’s response to the news accordingly. Nobody believes that a truck is ‘Like a Rock’, but it sells trucks. Ditto, now, Presidents. Our public discourse is irretrievably contaminated by ’selling’. It’s what we’re good at. We sold each other houses at prices inflated by Chinese money for a decade. It was good (for some) while it lasted.

]]> By: TomR http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540716 TomR Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:32:10 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540716 <p>—-<br /> Because, the media in this country long ago decided that the “truth” is less important than the “narrative”. And it is not at all important whether the narrative is true. Ah, journalism.<br /> —-</p> <p>According to Dr. George Lakoff, “politics is about the narratives our culture and our circumstances make available to all of us to live.” A person identifies and connects with his/her candidate through narratives common to both. Narratives in and of themselves are not bad. They are simply there, existing in all of our brains. But, they can be used deceptively or truthfully. For example, take the “support our troops” narrative. Watch how Dr. Drew Westen takes on the Republican framing in this 3-minute clip:</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1RsR5HmCmE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1RsR5HmCmE</a></p> <p>We just need to learn how to use them to bring Americans’ perception of reality closer to the truth. Karl Rove has used them to distort Americans’ perception of reality away from the truth.</p> <p>Dr. Westen has pointed out that voters care about the following.</p> <p>1) How they feel about a political party and its principles.<br /> 2) How they feel about a candidate.<br /> 3) How they feel about issues.</p> <p>Dr. Westen says issues are a distant 3rd for voters when choosing their candidate. Maybe finding a narrative about the judgement of an ill-informed person could be used. Find the narrative and then include the facts to back it up. Facts alone are not enough. This may not seem logical or rational, but understand that this is about how the unconscious mind affects the choices a voter makes. Narratives are used to connect to the frames already in a person’s unconscious mind. According to Dr. Lakoff, reason is 98% unconscious and requires emotion. Narratives and frames contain integrated intellectual-emotional content. This is just how we’re all wired.</p> <p>I highly recommend watching this 3 minute clip with Dr. Westen to understand where progressives go wrong:</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNJEq4URCYE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNJEq4URCYE</a></p> <p>- Tom</p> —-
Because, the media in this country long ago decided that the “truth” is less important than the “narrative”. And it is not at all important whether the narrative is true. Ah, journalism.
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According to Dr. George Lakoff, “politics is about the narratives our culture and our circumstances make available to all of us to live.” A person identifies and connects with his/her candidate through narratives common to both. Narratives in and of themselves are not bad. They are simply there, existing in all of our brains. But, they can be used deceptively or truthfully. For example, take the “support our troops” narrative. Watch how Dr. Drew Westen takes on the Republican framing in this 3-minute clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1RsR5HmCmE

We just need to learn how to use them to bring Americans’ perception of reality closer to the truth. Karl Rove has used them to distort Americans’ perception of reality away from the truth.

Dr. Westen has pointed out that voters care about the following.

1) How they feel about a political party and its principles.
2) How they feel about a candidate.
3) How they feel about issues.

Dr. Westen says issues are a distant 3rd for voters when choosing their candidate. Maybe finding a narrative about the judgement of an ill-informed person could be used. Find the narrative and then include the facts to back it up. Facts alone are not enough. This may not seem logical or rational, but understand that this is about how the unconscious mind affects the choices a voter makes. Narratives are used to connect to the frames already in a person’s unconscious mind. According to Dr. Lakoff, reason is 98% unconscious and requires emotion. Narratives and frames contain integrated intellectual-emotional content. This is just how we’re all wired.

I highly recommend watching this 3 minute clip with Dr. Westen to understand where progressives go wrong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNJEq4URCYE

- Tom

]]> By: Elliott http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540704 Elliott Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:10:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540704 <p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/the-economy-is-great-except-for-banks-housing-autos-student-loans-health-care-energy-the-deficit/" rel="nofollow">Scarecrow’s up!</a></p> Scarecrow’s up!

]]> By: jackie http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540703 jackie Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:10:12 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540703 <p>LOL, yep!!!!</p> LOL, yep!!!!

]]> By: Bluetoe2 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540702 Bluetoe2 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:08:14 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540702 <p>The American corporate media would be laughable if it were not so dangerous. No wonder the voting electorate is so malleable. They have contributed to the dumbing down of the citizenry. People want this administration held accountable and rightfully so. When, however, is the American corporate media going to be held accountable?</p> The American corporate media would be laughable if it were not so dangerous. No wonder the voting electorate is so malleable. They have contributed to the dumbing down of the citizenry. People want this administration held accountable and rightfully so. When, however, is the American corporate media going to be held accountable?

]]> By: SouthernDragon http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540700 SouthernDragon Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:05:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540700 <p>I think Stone must be going senile. How many of the 28%ers will pay to see this? You couldn’t pay me to watch the trailer.</p> I think Stone must be going senile. How many of the 28%ers will pay to see this? You couldn’t pay me to watch the trailer.

]]> By: nonplussed http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540699 nonplussed Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:03:39 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540699 <p>But you’re awake now, aren’t you?</p> But you’re awake now, aren’t you?

]]> By: RevBev http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540698 RevBev Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:02:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/hope-2/#comment-1540698 <p>Now This: Brolin who will play W in the Stone movie…arrested over the weekend in a bar brawl. How great. Staying right in character I guess; wonder if dad will come bail him out. How like W can one be?</p> Now This: Brolin who will play W in the Stone movie…arrested over the weekend in a bar brawl. How great. Staying right in character I guess; wonder if dad will come bail him out. How like W can one be?

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