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		<title>By: goldstandard</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/13/there-was-a-class-war-the-rich-won-it/#comment-1540037</link>
		<dc:creator>goldstandard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In a nutshell, this is how the new system will work after the Freddie and Fannie bailout. Actually, nothing has changed except that we’re printing more and more worthless paper Get used to our “new” economy. Print paper. Loan paper to paper loaners. Paper loaners loan $6mil worth of paper to Raoul, my illegal alien 7-Eleven clerk who makes $6 of paper/hr. at 7-11, but has a 12 bedroom/4 bathroom house and a Hemi. Raoul goes belly up when the interests rate resets due to the paper being worthless. Raoul goes to “Just walk away.com”, and just walks away. Raouls neighbor gets Raouls weeds and blight from abandoned bigfoot. “Bank of Dumb Ass” that loaned Raoul 6mil goes under because Raoul walked away. Government prints more paper to bail out “Bank of Dumb Ass”. My taxes go up to bail out government. Everything costs more, because paper is more worthless than the day before. Beautiful.&lt;br /&gt;
That’s all we need to know. We are without a doubt, the largest debtor nation on the face of the earth. Bread and soup lines won’t be far behind.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a nutshell, this is how the new system will work after the Freddie and Fannie bailout. Actually, nothing has changed except that we’re printing more and more worthless paper Get used to our “new” economy. Print paper. Loan paper to paper loaners. Paper loaners loan $6mil worth of paper to Raoul, my illegal alien 7-Eleven clerk who makes $6 of paper/hr. at 7-11, but has a 12 bedroom/4 bathroom house and a Hemi. Raoul goes belly up when the interests rate resets due to the paper being worthless. Raoul goes to “Just walk away.com”, and just walks away. Raouls neighbor gets Raouls weeds and blight from abandoned bigfoot. “Bank of Dumb Ass” that loaned Raoul 6mil goes under because Raoul walked away. Government prints more paper to bail out “Bank of Dumb Ass”. My taxes go up to bail out government. Everything costs more, because paper is more worthless than the day before. Beautiful.<br />
That’s all we need to know. We are without a doubt, the largest debtor nation on the face of the earth. Bread and soup lines won’t be far behind.</p>
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		<title>By: lonestarleroy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lonestarleroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great comment on the event horizon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The problem is that the new deal and the dem. solutions worked so well after 29 and ww2 that everyone thought is was their right to have a great paying union job. They listened to the GOP about well they would be paying you this way even if there was not union. Why are you paying union dues to get what the great corp. would give you anyway. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now they are just starting to see what happens when the good old corp. really has control. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They all forget that it was luck that we came out of the big depression as a country of capatilist, not something else. Someone noted in a much earlier thread that the communist were mad at FDR cause he saved cap. from itself. Well we may not be so lucky this time, if we don’t get off our assess. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is the perfect exact post, we had class war, the rich won. Now how do we take back the playing field and start the fight all over again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment on the event horizon.</p>
<p>The problem is that the new deal and the dem. solutions worked so well after 29 and ww2 that everyone thought is was their right to have a great paying union job. They listened to the GOP about well they would be paying you this way even if there was not union. Why are you paying union dues to get what the great corp. would give you anyway. </p>
<p>Now they are just starting to see what happens when the good old corp. really has control. </p>
<p>They all forget that it was luck that we came out of the big depression as a country of capatilist, not something else. Someone noted in a much earlier thread that the communist were mad at FDR cause he saved cap. from itself. Well we may not be so lucky this time, if we don’t get off our assess. </p>
<p>This is the perfect exact post, we had class war, the rich won. Now how do we take back the playing field and start the fight all over again.</p>
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		<title>By: MrSandman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/13/there-was-a-class-war-the-rich-won-it/#comment-1539936</link>
		<dc:creator>MrSandman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good article. This is the kind of material that needs to be widely disseminated and published in the Corporate Media; while it’s enlightening to many of us, it’s also just speaking to the choir. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once the average American understands all this, then change can be effected.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article. This is the kind of material that needs to be widely disseminated and published in the Corporate Media; while it’s enlightening to many of us, it’s also just speaking to the choir. </p>
<p>Once the average American understands all this, then change can be effected.</p>
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		<title>By: PraedorAtrebates</title>
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		<dc:creator>PraedorAtrebates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nobama is advised by Chicago Boyz.  His prescription will include MORE privatization of government/selling off of public properties and services.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Krugman or Rob Reich were his econ advisor, you could expect something pretty good but instead, we have more voodoo economics on the horizon.  The problem is that the horizon is an &lt;i&gt;event horizon&lt;/i&gt; around a black hole.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobama is advised by Chicago Boyz.  His prescription will include MORE privatization of government/selling off of public properties and services.  </p>
<p>If Krugman or Rob Reich were his econ advisor, you could expect something pretty good but instead, we have more voodoo economics on the horizon.  The problem is that the horizon is an <i>event horizon</i> around a black hole.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FDR danced the dance, but things didn’t get better until WWII. When you see capitalism as self-destructive manic depression, you see a war usually comes along creating oh so many jobs. Until the next crisis, we are doomed to difficult economic times. If Martians attacked, the sub prime mess evaporates.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I said several times capitalism is the problem, not the solution. Some say Obama hasn’t the imagination, but neither would FDR today. We’re tapped out with nothing to do but print money. What would you do were you Obama on being elected and finding things are ever so much worse than reported? How much imagination do you expect that man, or any man, has. What happens if the government holds a bond auction and no one bids? That scenario was considered impossible for auction notes from pretty good borrowers, but it happened. What was guaranteed liquid froze solid. No one’s taken me up on my anti-capitalist rants because it sounds like I tout communism and we know where that leads.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The real problem is hierarchy or class. Capitalism is simply our way of deciding who gets to tell others what to do.  People who strive for those positions simply hate humanity more than the rest of us. That’s why they’re so crazy. We’re self destructive for the same reason individuals commit suicide. We think we’re shit and act accordingly. Self advertising is frowned on, but if you click on my name my site deals with the theory in great detail.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDR danced the dance, but things didn’t get better until WWII. When you see capitalism as self-destructive manic depression, you see a war usually comes along creating oh so many jobs. Until the next crisis, we are doomed to difficult economic times. If Martians attacked, the sub prime mess evaporates.</p>
<p>I said several times capitalism is the problem, not the solution. Some say Obama hasn’t the imagination, but neither would FDR today. We’re tapped out with nothing to do but print money. What would you do were you Obama on being elected and finding things are ever so much worse than reported? How much imagination do you expect that man, or any man, has. What happens if the government holds a bond auction and no one bids? That scenario was considered impossible for auction notes from pretty good borrowers, but it happened. What was guaranteed liquid froze solid. No one’s taken me up on my anti-capitalist rants because it sounds like I tout communism and we know where that leads.</p>
<p>The real problem is hierarchy or class. Capitalism is simply our way of deciding who gets to tell others what to do.  People who strive for those positions simply hate humanity more than the rest of us. That’s why they’re so crazy. We’re self destructive for the same reason individuals commit suicide. We think we’re shit and act accordingly. Self advertising is frowned on, but if you click on my name my site deals with the theory in great detail.</p>
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		<title>By: ubetchaiam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/13/there-was-a-class-war-the-rich-won-it/#comment-1539685</link>
		<dc:creator>ubetchaiam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To heighten your point Ian, I made an application for a computer position -subcontracted by the Census Dept.-supporting the upcoming census. It was advertised at $18-20 an hour. Contractor for the Census Bureau filled the positions at $14 an hour, the reason being the ‘availability of talent’.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To heighten your point Ian, I made an application for a computer position -subcontracted by the Census Dept.-supporting the upcoming census. It was advertised at $18-20 an hour. Contractor for the Census Bureau filled the positions at $14 an hour, the reason being the ‘availability of talent’.</p>
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		<title>By: Oilfieldguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oilfieldguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this is some meaty post, and it is hard for me to wrap my head around it, except to say this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I did my job as poorly as “the suits that run the store” can you imagine how many traffic fatalities would occur?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,</p>
<p>this is some meaty post, and it is hard for me to wrap my head around it, except to say this:</p>
<p>If I did my job as poorly as “the suits that run the store” can you imagine how many traffic fatalities would occur?</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/13/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-robert-creamer-stand-up-straight/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Book Salon upstairs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/13/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-robert-creamer-stand-up-straight/" rel="nofollow">Book Salon upstairs</a></p>
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		<title>By: juslin</title>
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		<dc:creator>juslin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and so summing up……. are we better off now after 30 years of “enlightened conservative rule”? hmmmmmmmm i know NOT!! americans bought that snake oil and are now paying heavily for it in many ways..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and so summing up……. are we better off now after 30 years of “enlightened conservative rule”? hmmmmmmmm i know NOT!! americans bought that snake oil and are now paying heavily for it in many ways..</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/13/there-was-a-class-war-the-rich-won-it/#comment-1539678</link>
		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;”This weekend’s events will be a fresh shock to global financial markets. Analysts were hoping that the worst of the credit crunch, which has seen a massive reduction in lending to home buyers and businesses, was over.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But with the US housing market collapsing and repossessions rising, fears that they are facing huge losses meant that shares in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dropped in value by almost half at one point on Friday.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The two companies have become increasingly important to the ailing US housing market, as more and more banks which previously financed mortgages have stopped lending after racking up huge losses on sub-prime mortgage loans.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With London markets opening before Wall Street tomorrow, investors here will want some sign today from the US administration that it has averted another crisis in its mortgage market.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;UK banks’ share prices have collapsed in value during the past year and many have gone cap in hand to shareholders to ask for money to prop up their businesses, with Bradford &amp; Bingley due to ask investors to back a £400million fundraising rights issue this week.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1034614/US-mortgage-giants-crisis-sparks-fear-British-banks.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....banks.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>”This weekend’s events will be a fresh shock to global financial markets. Analysts were hoping that the worst of the credit crunch, which has seen a massive reduction in lending to home buyers and businesses, was over.</p>
<p>But with the US housing market collapsing and repossessions rising, fears that they are facing huge losses meant that shares in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dropped in value by almost half at one point on Friday.</p>
<p>The two companies have become increasingly important to the ailing US housing market, as more and more banks which previously financed mortgages have stopped lending after racking up huge losses on sub-prime mortgage loans.</p>
<p>With London markets opening before Wall Street tomorrow, investors here will want some sign today from the US administration that it has averted another crisis in its mortgage market.</p>
<p>UK banks’ share prices have collapsed in value during the past year and many have gone cap in hand to shareholders to ask for money to prop up their businesses, with Bradford &amp; Bingley due to ask investors to back a £400million fundraising rights issue this week.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1034614/US-mortgage-giants-crisis-sparks-fear-British-banks.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new&#8230;..banks.html</a></p>
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