(Updated 10PM PST) When a friend e-mailed me and said "are you going to write about the Fannie and Freddie bailout?" I scratched my head and started to write back that I couldn't see the story:
- The fact that Fannie and Freddie went bankrupt is no surprise. Multiple people predicted it, oh, years ago.
- The fact that it's happening as the housing bubble collapses is, likewise, no surprise.
- The fact that they're going to be bailed out is, oh, no surprise.
As of my writing this, Sunday night, as Calculated Risk points out, what we know from Paulson's vague statement is that:
- Treasury wants to be able to purchase equity (ie. stock) in Fannie and Freddie
- Treasury wants to be able to extend a much larger loan facility to them.
We also know that the Fed has Fannie and Freddie more access to credit as well.
So, what's this mean? Well, if this is the form of the bailout it means that owners will lose a lot of the value of Freddie and Fannie, but not all because the government will wind up owning a lot of shares, which will dilute value. But diluted value is better than a value of zero, so they have no cause to whine. In fact it's a mild bailout for them.
The folks who win bigtime are folks like Bill Gross (h/t Mish) at Pimco who piled into Fannie's and Freddie's mortgage debt making an explicit calculation that the government would rescue them, even though they damn well knew that Fannie and Freddie were going to go bankrupt and that identical mortgages and mortgage backed securites bought elsewhere would be worth a lot less. I can't see any reason why these folks should be bailed out with government money, and agree with Nouriel Roubini's suggestion that they do not get full value for the bonds (better than what you'd get on the "free" market, boys.)
As best I can tell (and I sure could be wrong) this sort of bailout is unprecedented. When Chrysler was bailed out the government loaned it money, it didn't buy an equity share. Assuming a long time horizon the equity share will probably turn a profit, mind you, but the moral hazard is extreme. Private investors should not be bailed out to this extent by public money.
The board should be sacked. Bonuses should be clawed back. The books should be given a full audit and charges should be laid against those who engaged in illegal activities including breaking their fiduciary duty to investors.
Fannie and Freddie should be explicitly taken over by regulators—they clearly aren't capable of running themselves, and I don't see why if they've bankrupted themselves it makes any sense to allow them to continue to make any of their own decisions, even if they are subject to "supervision".
Fannie and Freddie are too big to fail. But their investors and owners aren't too big to pay for their failure. Keep the issuing of mortgages and the mortgage market functions they provide going, but there's no reason to do so under current management or ownership and no reason why folks who bought their debt should be paid back more than if we allowed Fannie and Freddie to go bankrupt.
Being responsible, being a rugged investor, means taking your losses. Not coming to Uncle Sam every time you lose, whining for a handout.
(See Empty Wheel for an extensive conversation.)
Update: Also, go read Numerian's excellent post. Numerian suggests that the correct thing to do may well to be wind up the two agencies and stop guaranteeing mortgages. On thinking it over, he may well be right. Put them in receivership and wind them up. He also notes that a lot of this debt is held by China and if they don't get bailed out they may become very very unhappy.
The drive to home ownership has distorted the US's economy in a number of ways, including by encouraging the spread of suburbia and thus the increased use of oil and energy. That sort of feedback loop is something we might as well shut down now and encourage a move to high density, rapid transit, walkable environments and, yes, renting.
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Not surprise! Talk about your highly visible train wreck. Thanks Ian for helping us sort through the mess, and for helping us understand what is yet to come.
Heh, Surprise indeed, Ian! ;-)
They’re lining up already.
Are you talking about the Chrysler bailout?
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A yep, truer words were never spoken. Also a good discussion of all this over at EW.
And, of course, I read the hede that Bush was going to ask for this; amazing as usual.
In case you missed this Ian: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/.....8;refer=us
This “As long as the U.S. continues to borrow and oil exporters continue to lend, Cheah said, “this is a vindication of the American way of life.” astounded me.
Free Markets! The Repukes are all about Free Markets! Oh…..well, maybe not so much.
Woops. Corrected. Thanks.
Privitize the profits, socialize the loss.
Hooray for the free market.
-G
I’m sorry, but transferring risk to the public while privatizing speculation has been the Bush economic plan from the beginning. This comes as no surprise. I said last August that Wall Street ate the seed corn. A year later it’s no surprise that there’s nothing left to eat but Fannie…
Srsly. It don’t take a street musician to figure this sh!t out.
Digg this post
Ian — if Paulson announces he wants authority for Treasury to buy stock, the immediate effect should be to bolster stock prices — to help counter last week’s 45% loss in value, right? He may or may not actually go through with it. Their immediate hurdle is a sale of debt on Monday, trying to assure investors the debt will hold its value with the US backing it up.
Agree completely/ Pottery Barn rules: You break it, you pay for it. All executives lose all bonuses and take a big hit on compensation (where are they going to go and who would hire them). Investors also bite a big bullet, because they went into this knowing it was a bad risk. The feds intervene to protect mortgage holders and the creditors (other than stockholders).
Once again, the Bush family just happens to hold the reins of power when the financial/housing market collapses and “must be” bailed out. Almost too much for my beautiful mind to absorb….
King George the Shitheel is still telling himself that history will look kindly upon his misbegotten reign all while the US sinks into cesspool.
Don’t stop believing, George.
-G
Have to say I am getting rather tired of this whole “too big to fail” bull shit. The model I favor is the one the British used when the bank failed there recently. Nationalize the sucker, the investors and executives took it in the shorts, and the government worked to minimize (not eliminate) the impact on the innocents, and liquidated its assets. That is how we should handle all of these cases.
It may bolster prices or it may not do you want to risk your money on questionable accounting or Bush’s ability to save these companies? Never mind what is really on their books. I do not think we will see what was on their books until after Bush leaves office if then.
Given the Bushies record on all things economic, coming undone I might be tempted to short this stock.
True enough.
My take though is that Freddie and Fannie don’t need 15 billion, or 25. Because of the problems with their portfolio, they probably need a few hundred billion, minimum. That isn’t obvious yet, because no one really wants it to be, but I don’t see how when they were involved in around half the mortgages in the US and when the quality of those loans for the last few years was so low, that it can be as little as 15 billion. That’s not real money. If that’s the problem, even granting that that’s “real” money that can be leveraged, well, it’s not a problem.
Ian any numbers about just how much tax payer money it will take to bail the Mac’s out? I could have sworn I read that Bush was not going to bail them out just a few days ago.
Must have heard from some of his rich buddies who had a bunch of money tied up in them. After all that is what “too big to fail” really means in econospeak, too many rich folks will get burned.
they probably need a few hundred billion, minimum.
Bush 1 will be so proud his son has eclipsed his Savings @ Loan scandal. I wonder if a few hedge funds fail if Bush’s economic failure’s will cost the economy more than the war in Iraq is costing us?
Anything is possible but who is the next likely failure?
I don’t know. Paulson’s statement doesn’t mention any numbers but some stories have said 15 billion. That can’t be more than bridging money, that I can see, but maybe they hope it’ll bridge long enough that the market will repair. Problem is, as long as housing prices keep dropping and default rates keep rising, I don’t see how that happens. Events right now are being driven by fundamentals more than psychology. I’m tempted to say it’s a nice change from the past thirty years. It’s ugly, but at least we’re dealing with reality.
After Powell made the comment about Pottery Barn, they issued a statement saying that is not their policy but your point is well taken, none the less.
Teddy’s upstairs…
Then just who is advising these rich people about where to put their money therein lies the Comedy of this story, I wonder what their sales pitch is like.
Yeah, that was his younger son, Fredo, in that one.
I agree 15 billion is to low maybe Paulson means the money they need this week.
so if I buy stock in a company I know is likely to fail, and it subsequently fails, will the government pay me back for my losses?
I guess it depends on how big I am and who I know.
I realize that is a gross oversimplification. I am no economist. I know even less about economics than John McCain.
Actually they advised them with the certainty that the feds would do exactly what they are doing, protecting the big money players’ investments.
In the wake of a bailout of Freddie and Fanny, voices calling for relief for victims of foreclosure might grow louder, as might voices calling for personal bankruptcy reform. The Bush administration will want to draw a line somewhere, of course.
Thanks for this post Ian. This is a tried and true scheme of Business/Financial Management folks bulldozing everyone they can to get the gold, then expecting to be saved when they bulldoze the foundation out from under themselves.
Any chance at all that this will ever happen?
Think about the airlines back when they started the fare wars, selling out entire flights for less than the cost of the flight. “We lose money on every sale, but make up for it in volume…)
Where are they now? Hoping for bankruptcy so you and I can bail them out.
Uh if Ian is right about the numbers I don’t think we can borrow that kind of cash.
Come on thats impossible after all asking Phil Gramm for economic advise is like cheating off the dumbest kid in school, you my friend though read the Lake were a little better than Phil Gramm.
This is what has really pissed me off about the federal response to the financial sector melt down. All the relief and help has gone to the very wealthy investors and executives with virtually nothing for the bulk of the population. No mortgage relief for people whose mortgages now exceed the value of their homes, no forcing or even encouraging lenders to renegotiate loan arrangements, no bankruptcy reform. There is something seriously wrong when the feds are helping out people with second and vacation homes, but not for primary residences.
Scarecrow, man I don’t know if people are going to bite on such feints anymore. They are so transparent by these clucks that, even if it were to work, I don’t think they can raise enough capital, and fast enough, to do the trick. Which leaves the Paulson thing a reality not a theory. Hope I am wrong…
Actually, I think that the stock will plummet if Paulson does not move ahead with this bail out. Too many people have been operating on the assumption that the feds would do this.
The obfuscatory meme of the past few days has been that Fannie and Freddie were supported by both Dems and Repubs, therefore no one’s to blame.
In fact, Volcker, Greenspan, Rubin, Bernanke, Paulson, et al, act on behalf of the financial establishment, which is why both political parties invariably genuflect to them.
The policies of that establishment are what we must question: off-books accounting, off-shore banking, pay-for-play policy making, privatization, de-regulation, consumerism, income inequality, and debt-based economic activity.
Do you suppose that Bush can ask his Saudi friends for “I don’t think they can raise enough capital, and fast enough”?
What we are talking about is only a subpart of the overall plan; i.e. the actual purchase by the Federal government of substantial blocks of private stock. So it is feasible that Scarecrow could be right here, and if we are lucky he will be. Odds are not in favor of that, but let’s hope.
Ian Your post are always factual…I love that.
What is really happening is Bernanke with Bushco’s approval is devaluing the dollar as the Treasury has to print money to buy the stock. The assistance is going to the greedy investor who was sold on the risong loan rate, which was packaged into CDOs and leveraged 100 to 1.
Stupidly by foreclosing on the new owners there is no cash flow to service the debt and the empty homes are vadalised.
Please clarify the difference between bailing the investor or the homebuyer.
And what impact does 100 billion have on the dollar or is this somehow added to the national debt? Imoral, unethical and stupid just to prop up the “Free Markets”.
I hate that they’re doing this as a stock buyout. Just hate it. There are ways you can keep them going that don’t have so much moral hazard. I want the stockholders to lose everything. If the company’s bankrupt they should and what’s more, we’ve known Freddie and Fannie were bankrupt since at least 2006, and some were saying it back in 04. If I can freakin’ predict it, and I’m not even a market participant…
You gamble, you takes the losses and the wins. That’s what I was taught.
Both these companies are government creations and now ‘government sponsored entitites’ anyway. I don’t have a problem with bailing them out. I was whining about bailouts here last week, but I have to admit that I was behind the times on the approach of the next phase of the financial criris/recession.
I do have a problem with an bailout if it amounts to privatizing the profits and socializing the losses. These two companies were not prime movers in creaing the housing bubble or subprime loan problem. They would be good vehicles for handling the finances for a federal buout of distressed properties, which would be a more consumer/taxpayer/homewoner friendly appproach to the crisis. And that would also reduce the amount of empty housing stock going to waste and creating neighborhood blight (which futher depresses home values).
Something is necessary to prevent systematic collapse of the financial system. Is treating the two FM’s as if they were really private corporations and creaions of the free market the best way to go? I still think best approach is government buy out of empty housing stock, and workouts with homeowners, using the FMs as government agencies to help with the finance.
The FMs operate under more regulation than other mortgage banks, and that is why they have not been big players in creating the bubble. But their status as creepy half government agency, half private oorporation has had bad effecs, as Ian noted above.
The big problem with the bailout is not only socializing the losses, but also that without regulatory reform, it is allowing the underlying structural problems in the financial system to remain unrepaired. So, there will be next time except worse. Cheney/Bush will not reform. If McCain wins, or if current mix of corrupt congresspeople continue to hold sway, then we have the bad effects of the bailout, no reform to prevent a recurrance, and the whole tragedy/farce repeated again on a grander scale. And that would be a kind of crime.
DING!
The stock holders will not lose everything if the companies value is wiped out. That is what limited liability is about. Ordinary people who signed loans whose terms they did not fully fathom, or were victims of misrepresentation, or mislead by folks like Greenspan, Gramm and Bush, with their mindless cheerleading, smooth talking, and vacuous bubble managment approach to national fianance, these regular working folks will lose everything. But they are not money shuffler and sharks, they are not ‘plyers’ so therefore they deserve no consideration, in the new scheme of things.
Well, that is not quite right. Those people own home, albeit mortgaged homes; but as long as they are paying, someone will buy and service those loans. It really is the common stock and bondholders at risk.
I think Numerian has argued fairly convincingly that Fannie and Freddie, in the first half of the decade, were instrumental in the creation of the housing bubble. I’ll have to dig it up.
The stockowners will lose all value. I have not suggested that the business be allowed to go belly up, I have proposed that the stockholders lose all values and that the folks who bought the mortgage backed debt and bonds take a haircut.
Even if Fannie and Freddie did go belly up, it would affect people who already have one of their mortgages not that much — it would make getting mortgages for new buyers, however, probably essentially impossible.
Didn’t Uncle Phil (Gramm)just tell us to quit whining and expecting the government to give us a handout every time we got in trouble? This doesn’t apply to the Bear Stearns and Fred and Fan investors?
This is another example of the serious hypocrisy of the failed Reaganomics scheme.
Ian: I think that the FMs served more as passive facilitators than active, proximate and critical causes of the bubble. They are, after all, essential cogs in housing finance in the US. They are pretty much involved in anything that happened. If the market busts from any cause they will be involved. Their loan policies were not causes. They were undercapitalized, due to pressure/corrupt influence from their management with Congress. But, I am eager to read anything you dig up on it.
I didn’t mean to suggest that they be allowed to go belly up, and did not mean to accuse you of that either. I do think shareholders should lose whatever value of their invesments is consistent with best macroeconomic management for the economy. Maybe I expressed myself poorly. I think that their current organization is bad. They should go back to being government agencies. I don;t like their neither fish nor fowl status as GSEs.
It only applies to the little people. The rich don’t have to whine to get taken care of.
I can’t help quoting Stiglit’z recent column on the end of neo liberalism. The quotes are from the original aricle, which can be accessed via
http://economistsview.typepad&.....he-en.html
BTW: I wonder why it was published in the Daily News of Egypt, rather than the NYT or Washington Post?
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” The world has not been kind to neo-liberalism, that grab-bag of ideas based on the fundamentalist notion that markets are self-correcting, allocate resources efficiently, and serve the public interest well. It was this market fundamentalism that underlay Thatcherism, Reaganomics, and the so-called “Washington Consensus” in favor of privatization, liberalization, and independent central banks focusing single-mindedly on inflation. “
[My ed note: I think Stiglitz should have said “unregulated markets, especially those where there is an unequal distribution of information, or contracts are complex and incomplete” instead of just “markets.” Markets are good, usually best form of economic decision making, but you have to watch and regulate them, especiall in situations I mentioned above.]
” Though neo-liberals do not want to admit it, their ideology also failed another test. No one can claim that financial markets did a stellar job in allocating resources in the late 1990’s, with 97% of investments in fiber optics taking years to see any light. But at least that mistake had an unintended benefit: as costs of communication were driven down, India and China became more integrated into the global economy.
~~~ModNote: Edited for length.
Shorter excerpts will be easier to read here, and will allow FDL to remain within Fair-Use guidelines - 250 words. The link is important. Thanks.~~~
They were more than uncapitalized, they deliberately operated as an alternate money machine for years, operating with far too much leverage and accepting too many mortgages with higher than perceived risk. Fannie can’t even produce audited copies of their books. Management’s actions were essentially criminal and were designed to produce bonusses.
rise and fall of the alternate banking system
Housing Market Foundation
My hardhitting , devastating, response:
Ummmm…. Ooopsie. My bad. Thanks for jogging my memory.
“They were more than uncapitalized, …. Fannie can’t even produce audited copies of their books. Management’s actions were essentially criminal and were designed to produce bonusses. “
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That kind of thing is why I do not like them as GSEs… so, no excuses for me for forgetting about that. I remember reading about that now, and fulminating over it.
thanks for the links.
BTW, I agree completely with Numerian on problems created by GSE status of the FMs.
But then, with current ideological regime in place, it is hard to think of what kind of economic organizational regime in financial system would not produce a crisis: private company, central bank, government agency, GSE -anything would blow up sooner or later.
thakyou Mod, I will remember the guidelines.
I only remember the history as highlights. It might be worth going over briefly for people. These guys have been having issues for years and years and years, it was obvious that they would collapse when the bubble collapsed, it was predicted and of course, no one did anything to prevent it.
I swear the people who run the US are more worthless than used toilet paper. Just abysmal. they aren’t even really making themselves rich, because when everything crashes down including the ecology, if hey haven’t won the death bet, they’re going to get screwed with everyone else.
If you won’t actually put hard limits on what they can do, yeah. You just have to say 10/1 credit ratio, period, everything counts. No credit insurance no nothing, you must have cash or cash equivalents in your account covering it. You must do due diligence on all loans, which doesn’t mean paying someone else to do it and if you believe a loan is not properly backed up you must not issue it. If Fannie and Freddie had refused to accept BS loans, they could have stopped most of this cold. And they knew, they definitely knew. People always know.
The banker calls it interest
And heaves a cheerful sigh;
The merchant calls it profit
And winks the other eye;
The landlord calls it rent,
As he tucks it in his bag;
But the honest old burglar
He just calls it swag.
Ian, I think you’ve identified a new area of speculative commodities when you point out that Gross, and others, explicitly invested in a sector that looked as if it might go bankrupt. They are in fact intentionally hoping that the firms DO! Then they can hold up to the Federal government the essential need to maintain the industry. It’s a type of corporate black mail…it should have a “name”…and the players in these markets should be identified!
Even worse, they specifically benefit from making as many bad faith loans (or in the case of airlines…creating new “essential routes” as possible. They greater they can spread their influence, and the more people that can be lured into a co-dependent relationship with them, the better. In the case of the housing market the strategy was to offer as many loans to people as possible, whether they were financially secure or not. This increases the likelihood of a bailout.
And yet rather than taking over a clearly mismanaged (or dis-managed) industry or firm…the Federal giovernments actually not only pick up the bad debts of those that did this, but allow them to continue running Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae!
Turkey little:
The sky is not falling, more study is needed; if it falls we will buy a new one for our rich friends who paid for our liberry–the one with no books.