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While poking around Iraqi news I ran across an odd little piece in the Arab Times reporting that Israel was denying reports that Israeli fighter jets were using US bases in Iraq to practice for an attack on Iran. My perennial worry about an attack on Iran kicked in – and was not eased by the report in the Sunday Times of London that Bush has “amber lighted” an Israeli attack on Iran:
President George W Bush has told the Israeli government that he may be prepared to approve a future military strike on Iranian nuclear facilities if negotiations with Tehran break down, according to a senior Pentagon official.
and that Israel may well want to act before a potential Obama presidency:
Senator Barack Obama’s previous opposition to the war in Iraq, and his apparent doubts about the urgency of the Iranian threat, have intensified pressure on the Israeli hawks to act before November’s US presidential election. “If I were an Israeli I wouldn’t wait,” the Pentagon official added.
The Israeli news site Ynet makes that last bit even more worrying in their video account which includes a mention of Obama's plan to visit Israel this summer and notes that:
In the event a military strike takes place during his visit the Democratic candidate would be forced to make a stand regarding the issue possibly jeopardizing his position as America’s next president.
Is that called a "win-win" by the Bush/Olmert crew?
Back to the original report that set me digging about - it all apparently came from Nahrrainnet and Badger translates as follows (in the comments to this post):
People around two US airbases (Assad in Anbar, and Ali bin Abi Talib in Nassiriya) had been noticing unusual nighttime takeoffs and landings of fighter planes, along with unusually tight security for several weeks, and anonymous Iraqi Defence Dept people had concluded it was American or Israeli (more the latter since the Anbar flights seemed to be coming from Jordan), and they pointed out that from the Nassiriya base you could in in Iranian airspace in 5 minutes and to Bushehr very quickly.
The Jerusalem Post article mentioned in the Arab Times reports a official denial of the story but it is less than categorical and AFP ran with the following less than reassuring denials:
Defence Ministry spokesman Major General Mohammed al-Askari dismissed the report on Friday.
"We have no information about Israeli jets using Iraqi airspace for rehearsals," he told AFP.
In Jerusalem, meanwhile, an Israeli military spokesman told AFP he was aware of the report and said, "I have no information on this."
The US military did not comment on the report.
So add this all to the jitters file …
Add as well some very interesting questions over at Pat Lang’s place (and Lang continues to be a must-read especially on Iran)
I am not an expert in the field of missile technology, but the missiles in the faked photograph appear to be anti-aircraft ground to air missiles or artillery rockets. The slanted attitude of launch speaks to that. No? Anti-aircraft missiles would be a threat to aircraft, not to Israeli cities. Artillery rockets are a battlefield weapon.
If those missiles are not ballistic missiles, then several interesting questions arise:
1- Which governments are fooling around here?
2- If these are not ballistic missiles, why are the MSM propagating the implication that this photograph displays missiles that are a threat to Israel?
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The only missile in this mess that matters is the Sunburn.
And why the hell in Obambi goin’ on a ‘tour’ of the M.E. ’cause McSame said he should.
Democrats….
Too dumb to live?
bismi-llāhi ar-raḥmāni ar-raḥīmi
Peace to you Christina my sister in humanity
Aloha, Siun!
Peace to you Mohammed and thank you for coming by.
I am extremely honored to call you my brother in humanity Mohammed.
Hi CT … the news is not good, eh?
Poor Badger probably didn’t realize we all read the comments too, Siun…! ;-)
Mohammed, I have just seen your new post at Guides and I don’t know whether to scream or cry … settling for both.
I’ll include a link in my later post.
I am hardly likely to contradict Imam Ali (PBUH) who was the first to say that those who are not our brothers and sisters in religion are still our brothers and sisters in humanity. :-)
I mentioned that ‘Amber light’ in my post today too, of which, I’d just posted about 20 minutes ago…! *g*
Jeebus it never ends with these blood thirsty, war-mongering fucks does it? An Impeached Bush/Cheney would not be a Crazy Bush/Cheney.
Well said.
Mohammed, we hear a lot of reports here that things are “better” in Iraq and, while we speak here often about that being a lie, I was wondering if you would like to say a bit about conditions at the moment?
for the very same reason they continue to push the IED’s made in Iran stories without ever once mentioning all the material support from Sunnis in the Kingdom - they are lazy, intellectual sloths and enablers
. . .and I hadn’t even yet thought about the whole ‘let’s put Obama on the spot’ gambit -
Certainly
Abu Dubhaltach is here also
OH!!!!!!!! now that is very very good news. I am astonished.
Ironically, the Iranians are being accused of Photo-shopping the pixs they released, as Laura Rozen pointed out the other day!
Welcome Dubhaltach …so good to know you are visiting.
Hello everyone. Greetings Mohammed and mfi (yes?)
There are questions as to just who was wielding the photoshop
Excellent!
Laura - wiser than I, yes mfi and Mohammed.
Photo-shopped in what way?
I agree, M’dear! Just pointing it out…! ;-)
I missle photographed at different sides.
Well let’s hope he is thinking about.. and it’s causing a wake up call.
I had noticed the slanted launch and concluded that these were not long range instruments and/or had zero guidance, or both. But IIRC they did not look like anti-aircraft rockets: too fat and not enough forward fins. But, I’m no expert.
Check out the link I posted…! ;-)
LOL. I did.
I thought they were too small to be the Shahab 3’s they claimed, but they did resemble the Chinese ‘Silkworms’…
Bushco will not quit.. they are repeating themselves. What else should we expect from unchallenged war criminals? Like all else, I feel congress simply wants the worst to happen, especially before Bush leaves.
Hmmmmm. I thought that the silkworm was more of a cruise missle, with real wings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silkworm_missile. But it’s not so all that clear in the Wikipedia photo. Nor do they say the type of engine.
Also, many AA missiles can readily be used as ground-to-ground, our patriot missiles are very easily able to strike ground targets…!
I would imagine the Iraqi’s are thrilled with even a rumor of Israeli fighters in their country. /s
They were given fly over space so I wouldn’t be suprised if they landing.
CTuttle, Yes most said this was old Tech not the lastest besides if they used the last we would know how they work within minutes from above and ground. Yeh Photo Shop
jo6pac
Everything is on schedule, please move along.
Hello to our visitors from far away! How is it with you?
Those are Zelzals a variant of the soviet FROG and what appear to be unmodified Shehabs both are battlefield weapons Zelzals are anti aircraft Shehabs are antiaircraft and it is possible some of them have been modified for anti-ship warfare. Neither should be confused with TOR or the silkworm.
It doesn’t really matter what the pictures show, they could be using bottle-rockets from a fireworks stand and the 1600 Crew would claim that they had stolen Minuteman’s outside Tehran aimed at Tel Aviv and Washington.
If these are not ballistic missiles, why are the MSM propagating the implication that this photograph displays missiles that are a threat to Israel?
I’m just this moment finding out that the photographs were faked.
So, let me put the question a bit differently. Why isn’t the traditional media screaming this story from the rooftops? *Somebody* is war-mongering again - no interest?
Reading through the Wikipedia entry, it appears that the first version of the Silkworm was a liquid-fuel rocket. The next was a solid-fuel rocket. The third version (and presumably subsequent versions) was powered by a turbojet, which is more typical for cruise missles, since it gives them longer range.
If these are not ballistic missiles, why are the MSM propagating the implication that this photograph displays missiles that are a threat to Israel?
We know damn well why the MSM is propagating the implication. They did the same f’ing thing in the run up to Iraq.
Why in God’s name aren’t these criminal bastards locked up?
Heh, Yeppers, real thrilled…
IMHO, the U.S. MSM are every bit as compliant as were Pravda and Tass, and ten times more dangerous because nobody in the Soviet Union ever believed Pravda and Tass.
Mahalo, for the clarification, mfi! Aloha!
Because the MSM would not know a frigging ICBM from a dildo.
Hiya, CT!
I believe if you google it, you’ll get quite a few hits. If what you mean by MSM is teevee, the answer is: Missiles are not entertaining.
Getting the story, digging for truth, telling the American people the truth are no longer the aims of network news. That’s why we’re here — or rather, that’s why I’m here.
At least they have a similar shape, Jo! ;-) Aloha!
This is one example when knowing is not half the battle. I don’t think they give a rats ass. I’ve heard on Olberman and a few other places that the photos were doctored. You can bet ma and pa kettle have no idea those photos are fakes.
http://www.daily.pk/world/worl.....space.html
From Anti-war
jo6pac
Siun, I think you meant Iran here, no?
Thanks Laura … fixed!
Mark from Ireland, this closing remark from today’s WaPoo article stick’s in my craw…
Do you think Maliki can pull off some backroom deal…? Granted, Shrub is just as busy…
I suggest you ask my Iraki colleague that :-)
CT - my later post goes after that as well.
I am hoping we can hear the thoughts of our guests … we too rarely get real information rather than filtered propaganda.
What is al-Sadr doing?
Impeachment is the cure.
Didn’t mean to intrude, Ma Cheri! *g*
I am trying to engage our guests…! ;-)
And the sooner the better, it is the only way to stop the Bushco cabal!
What happened to Mohammed? I was hoping for a report.
And digg, firedogs, digg.
I suggest you too should ask my Iraki colleagues that :-) Speaking for myself I would say that the Sayyid is:
1) Restructuring our movement so that those of us who can fight properly can do so unencumbered by those whose skill as fighters is not so great as their enthusiasm.
2) Cementing our alliances with others in the resistance.
New Jo
Mohammed - I saw mention of a body being found and wondered if it was by any chance that of the missing Guides team member?
I have forgotten my manners.
Welcome, Mohammed Ibn Laith and Abu Dubhaltach, my brothers.
I think you have answered my question. Thank you.
No, sadly it was not his body, it was that of some other unfortunate. The tattoos were similar, and he was in Red Crescent uniform so of course we hoped that it was him and that we could bury him beside his wife and children. This was the body of some other person. We saw to it that he was buried in due form and continue to look for our missing member’s corpse.
Talk to Miss Nancy….
I’m sick of the murdering lot of ‘em.
I am so sorry to hear that. So much sorrow and loss … we will never be forgiven nor should we be.
Heh, Sadr has done a much better job than either Maliki or Hakim in reaching across the ‘aisle’ with the Sunni’s and Kurds…
Who ever takes power in Israel Now will determine if/when an attack on Iran happens. We need to watch Benjamin Netanyahu and friends.
Side note, Mr Netanyahu was in NY 9/11 and in London 7/7, so Black Ops games could be/probably are afoot…
Taken from todays New Feed..
JERUSALEM (AFP) — Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was under fire from the media on Sunday over fresh corruption allegations, with commentators saying the embattled premier’s political career was all but over.’
There are added concerns that Olmert will speed up an attack on Iran to help distract from his corruption …
I think if we see the Israeli electorate put Netanyahu in as PM the ME powder keg will blow. The Zionists and their IDF would like nothing better than another set-to with the Arab world, with the Persians thrown in for good measure.
Conversely, I think Shrub/Darth would ‘wag the dog’ too, if impeachment were to proceed…!
I think that I will step in here:
Muslims regard tattoos as a contamination and they’re only permitted in extreme circumstances. We had to get several fatwas from a variety of jurists permitting our Muslim members to get them.
All of us whether we are Muslim or Christian have several such tattoos and a photo of each tattoo is kept in our file for that member along with dental records.
We use the tattoos to identify the corpses of dead members particularly when they have been buried for a while and have been subjected to disfiguring torture such as drilling or partial flaying.
Thank you mfi for explaining further … the tattoos are such a sign of how much damage we have caused.
I am so sorry the team member has not been found.
I’m a glad that you are reminding us, Mark, of the de-humanizing conditions under which Iraqis now must conduct their lives.
It’s a condition of membership - I find the things disgusting but they are useful and I find the thought of not being buried in due form even more disgusting. We don´t ever stop looking. For one member it took us four years but we did eventually find his body and his children have the comfort of being able to go to his grave and pray. We are very much helped in this by having excellent relations first with Sheikh al-Soudani’s sons and helpers and also with several human rights group. Some of us have identified some of their members and some of them have identified some of ours.
” first with Sheikh al-Soudani’s and helpers
should read:
” first with Sheikh al-Soudani’s sons and helpers
I do not know enough words to convey my shame and sorrow for what you, your colleagues and friends, your family, your country are going through, because of me and my country. Only that your humanity–the humanity of all Iraqis, is as important to me as my own. (I do not say this lightly.)
In that much at least you are similar to the Palestinians both of you live in countries whose capital city is occupied by the Zionists the difference is that the Palestinians are brutally reminded of it every day while you are not.
Pat Lang’s post here is very fitting.
I think in courtesy to Abu Dubhaltach I should point out that he is not Iraki he is an Irish Catholic who takes the teachings of Prophet Isa (PBUH) seriously, his son Dubhaltach is also a Christian and is also not an Iraki.
I think also that I should point out that while many of us on Gorilla’s Guides are Sadrists that by no means all of us are. What unites us is our love of our people and our determination to see the invader driven out.
I find the diversity of the the Guides team one of its great strengths and a good lesson to any who have fallen for the sectarian lies sold here.
I would not assume an allegiance on your, or anyone else’s, part. Forgive me if I gave you that impression. I was only asking about the general situation. I am interested in the Sayyid because I see him as a very significant personage in this struggle. More significant, I think, than some would like to believe. I have some experience with armed resistance and I understand your goal.
Our goal is to have Irak for the Irakis :-) The Sayyid is the only one of the so-called “Shia” parties who is a nationalist and who has consistently sought alliances with those of our brothers and sisters who are of the Ahl as-Sunnah wa’l-Jamā‘h and there are many Sadrist who as I did have one parent who is of the Ahl as-Sunnah wa’l-Jamā‘h and one who is of the Shī‘i, Sadrists who are of the Ahl as-Sunnah wa’l-Jamā‘h are by no means unknown.
Hello, Mohammed, this is Mike … thanks to Gor for letting me know you’re on here. Give me a minute to catch up on the conversation.
What other could there be? :-)
Mohammed … you say that the Sayyid is cementing your alliances with others in the resistance. The stories we get here in America is that the resistance (”insurgents”) are disorganized and fighting amongst themselves as much as fighting the Americans. How cohesive a force is the resistance?
If one were to believe your government they would tell you that we Sadrists are supporters of Irak for the Iranians. Whereas in fact it was both Dawa and the Hakkimites who founded their parties in Tehran at the order of the Iranians and in the case of Badr even fought for the Iranians during their war against us.
Weather vane watch: Time’s Joe Klein says that the Vatican isn’t the only source of ‘divided loyalty’. http://archive.salon.com/opini.....index.html
It appears to me that our government’s linking of Sadrists with Iran is nothing more than pretext for an invasion there. We have in large part created the anti-Western political system in Iran through the past 50 years of interference in Iranian affairs, starting with putting the Shah on the throne. Of course, that’s the same thing we did in Iraq.
Siun is back upstairs
You can take comfort in the fact that I do not believe our government. I rely on people like yourself to show me the reality on the ground.
Peace to you Michael my brother you are well?
The resistance is neither so fragmented as your government and their inbedded reporters would have you believe nor as unified yet as I would wish. But the work I have reason to believe goes well.
Come upstairs to Siuns new post.
Are we required to go there?
Not required. Siun’s post concerns the Status of Forces Agreement and the Memo of Understanding.
no, not at all. You are welcome to be wherever you are comfortable.
It seems my brother that the posting is directly relevant to your question perhaps we should go to the new posting and read it before we continue our converstation there this is the link:
Out with the SOFA, In with the MOU
sure … sorry, I had to drop off for a minute, but I am back on for a few minutes.
That is so very true..:(
Respect to you and yours..