Aloha, Teddy!

oh fer cryin out loud!

Hi Teddy.

Seems like the census will still count all adults, just not categorize properly. On the other hand, what a sham! Hate to see yet another function of the fed govt being politicized.

Looks like…looks like them ReThugs think they need a ‘Gay Issue’ for this election. You would think they’d learn their lesson….

…guess me not.

I saw this earlier. Truly disgusting, but exactly what we have come to expect from the Bush (mal)administration. Seems that the environment is not the only area where they are the world’s biggest polluters. Hopefully, since this is simply an executive rule change it will be reversed by the Obama administration. We are still a long way out from the actual census and what they are talking about happens in the analysis after the data are collected.

Teddy, I knew you were going to be all over this. Back to read.

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Hello, Teddy.

Dugg! Thank you, neuro
Teddy!

Hi CT! Hi Betsy!

Of course, the adults will be counted, but their marriages won’t. And if the marriages don’t count, then the children in those marriages will be counted as being in homes of unmarried parents. You can see where this confusion takes us when it comes time to allocate fundage for programs for kids in schools, after school, and for parents.

Seems to me if folks are legally married, our government should count them as married.

Done dugg.

Actually, it sounds as if the data itself is being shuffled. There won’t be any data storage for adult same-sex partners who are married; they’ll simply be shunted into an “unmarried partners” category. Without going back to their actual census forms, it’s unclear researchers could ever re-capture the actual status.

Seems to me that the Bureau needs some non-ideological instructions, from Congress, to be aware that change is coming down the pike and they need to be aware of it.

ah i see teddy. thank you. i agree with your sentiment, just hadn’t thought it through to school programs. affects financial aid as well, when they get there.

i imagine the census dept would have a field day with the makeup of my house on a given day/month/year

the gov’t is gonna make them poor innocent childrens official bastards

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Thanks for the diggs, neuro and newt!

This is really just too much (”this” meaning this latest Bushery)

Someone should ask John McSame–publically–if he agrees with this stupid policy of falsifying Census data for ideological reasons. I bet he would be really embarrassed to even discuss it (except perhaps in a private meeting with Log Cabin Republicans)

Which will, among other things, enable the Faith-Based Initiators to get even more money for their Pro-Marriage Programs, since they’ll be able to prove they have more children in unmarried homes than is actually true.

What kind of Bushery is this?

“It’s a systematic hiding not only of married gay couples, but gay couples as families, which I would argue is a fundamentally political decision,” Gates said.

Why hide these numbers if you need an election issue unless Bush is all kinds of worried about what the numbers will say in Red States?
After all normally Republicans point to places like California and New York (no offense) and say look, LOOK at all the sin going on if anything Census numbers would help them do that.
Unless…maybe the numbers are larger than even we think they are after all who else but Bush and Jeff Gannon knows how many Log Cabin Republicans are on the down low?

All of the data is electronically scanned. The procedure they are is a simple matter of programing the system to transform the data (if “husband sex”=”wife sex” then set marriage to “unmarried partners”). It is a really simple process and I have done this kind of thing many times in analysing census data. The original data is not lost (they keep the census forms forever) and depending on how the system is structured they may not even have to rescan the data to correct it to the proper category of “married”. It will make work for some low level functionary, but that is about all. Provided the new administration acts on this in a reasonably timely manner (in the first 6-9 months) it will not happen at all. This is something that the president can do unilaterally and the census is not until spring 2010, so there is plenty of time.

Just what did McCain talk to the Log Cabin Republicans about? If he won’t tell us well could spend a whole thread guessing.

I think he sends Lindsey to talk with the Log Cabinettes.

** awkward! **

707!

Not the Log Cabanas?

I wonder how the census takers count the FDLS families.

Real good point we should ask Bush’s SpokesChimp Dana if the Census computers can’t figure that out if one household has 2 males or females who may or may not claim to be married and or have kids, but they are not related by blood or renting.
The number of possible gays should be quite high. After all I may share a house with a friend but I don’t list them on my Census form. I think even the SpokesChimp should figure that one out.

why do ya think they had to bus them all over texas for a month. took that long to count!

I guess that should be “FLDS”.

lol!

Actually you are supposed to list everyone in the household on the census form and then specify the nature of their relationship (unrelated is a valid category) to the “head of house” (now just who that is in the case you specify is a matter for an argument). Census forms are issued to residences (houses or apartments) not to individuals.

That works too!

I used to work for the Census Bureau. Things change so slowly there that it’s gonna be a problem getting this changed for the 2020 census.

how do they count the homeless (i.e. residenceless)? Or do they?

But just what do the Log Cabinettes want from the GOP? As long as McCain won’t tell us what the secret meeting was about well why don’t we accuse McCain of being part of the Secret Homosexual Agenda. After all Democrats are open about our support of the homosexual agenda why does McCain have to meet the Gays in secret…unless he is going farther Gay than the Democrats!
And the great thing is that as long as the GOP is still paranoid tactics like this work:)

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That is one of the enduring problems with the census. There are programs which attempt to address this issue (or at least there used to be), but in large part the answer is they don’t really.

When the gov’t addresses a problem I want to run for the hills. :)

Yes, they try to count the homeless. And the undocumented.

I guess I should expand a little on that. The census does count prison and jail populations, as well as shelters. They also send out actual census takers into the areas where the homeless congregate to try to count them, but these measures are largely ineffective and the overwhelming majority of homeless go uncounted in the census.

*** this thing still on?

Yep. Hope I didn’t scare everyone off by talking census mechanics.

yummy!

Everyone has their mouths full of cupcake!

Ahem…hello?

Good evening. May I please speak with the head of the household, but only if HE is heterosexual.

The U.S. Census Bureau, reacting to the federal Defense of Marriage Act and other mandates, plans to edit the 2010 census responses of same-sex couples who marry legally in California, Massachusetts or any other state. They will be reported as “unmarried partners,” rather than married spouses, in census tabulations - a policy that will likely draw the ire of gay rights groups.

But DOMA wouldn’t be discriminatory. It simply defines…
NO.

Thats right so what Bush is saying is that illegal aliens get more respect and representation from Bush’s government than Gay Americans who are Citizens.
I wonder if Lou Dobbs will pick up this story:) If he doesn’t given Lou’s focus, obsession, daily rants on all thing illegal, well then Lou must hate gay people worse than he hates immigrants!

Can I hear you? Hey Tex!

This is kind of relevant actually. Most of the census data I work with is from the late 19th and early 20th century and deals with Indian households. At that time the “head of household” was always the senior male. In some Indian households this led to quite young men being designated “head”, rather than a much senior woman who was probably the actual head.

Great article, Teddy. I see these issues as ones that need to be addressed very shortly. The gay marriage/census issue just seems so basic/simple/obvious to me. Why would we even need to discuss whether Americans have the right to pursuit happiness?

On to the other issues, huh? War, war, earth…

figures

Hi Chris, hi everyone;)

This is just another subversion of the Constitution which says that the people must be counted every ten years… the Rethugs screwing with the Constitution again… Can’t wait until the “Rethuglians” is just an anachronistic description of a long dead party… They only care about $$$$ and how to get more for themselves…

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Evening, all-

They will be reported as “unmarried partners,” rather than married spouses, in census tabulations.

Wow. They are going to deliberately falsify the data, both numerically and marriage status. Never in my life…It seems like they would want the info, even if only to misconstrue it, distort it, or take it out of context. No; mis-report it from the get-go. Then they can say whatever they want.

the whole notion about “head of household” has become somewhat archaic, has it not? Where you have a single/widowed/divorced adult parent and his/her minor children, it makes sense. But who is the “head of household” if two males, or two females, or a male and a female live in and co-own or co-lease the residence? And in how many marriages, traditional or same-sex, does one partner consent to be designated “head of household” and the other consent to be something else? (outside of FLDS or fundie families or certain cultural groups)

if anyone is tired of this kind of discussion, or finds it too off-topic, please let us know.

You are so wise, and it is very late here. Please forgive me for not following your thread. Can we do it again?

Good night firepups. I have the last series of injections tomorrow from this set. probably 4 in the spine, maybe 6. and an addition 6+ in my back, pelvis and left leg. Yay! FUN!!!!

Your EXTENDED wishes for pain-free are much appreciated.

Really have to agree. I have been married several times and never thought of myself as “head of household.” Alway s saw that as a shared responsibility between the senior adults in the house.

best to betsy

So wished

we had two households combined in one apt for a while. and two heads of household.

Night Betsy. May your life going forward be ever pain free and blissful.

pain free sleep wishes tex

Betsy, my profound wishes for a painless future, and the sooner the better.

Then CA should pass a bill to take the partners info and tranfer it to marriages. How hard can it be?

I wouldn’t say they keep the forms forever, but none of us will ever see them once they’re returned, because they’re not public for 72 years after the census.

As far as changing the data to fit the prejudices of this maladministration - isn’t that likely to be a felony, somewhere in the system? The census being a Constitutionally-mandated activity, and all that (even though it’s never, ever been 100% reliable)?

thanks y’all

You have all my good wishes for success in this, as always, Betsy.

I am actually duplicated on the 2000 census (found out when I was looking at some block level data mapping). They sent me (at different times) bot the short form and the long form and I filled out both.

amen!

Many census takers would report the head as female if that was how the household worked. I’ve seen quite a few female-headed household where the woman was, actually, listed as head. (Genealogy - legalized nosiness)

Snort…they guess…

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Thanks, Suz.

Actually they are required by law to keep the original census forms forever. As far as I can tell by what has been reported, they do not intend to alter the actual data (the forms and I presume the electronically recorded raw data from those forms), but rather to alter the way the data are reported, so that legally married same sex couples are not reported as married. It is still offensive as hell and has potential impacts on people and communities, but the data will still be there. Likewise, this may never actually happen if the next president says no to it.

Depends on both the situation and on the census taker. Do not even get me started on racial classifications in the pre-1950 censuses.

We also have two heads here. Or would that be four? *g*

Depends on who you talk to. I suspect some of the fundies would call you two-headed monsters. Me, I just call you friend. ;-)

oy!

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Have a hot date with a cold fish in the morning so I will say good night to all. Take care and enjoy one another.

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