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		<title>By: SusanMc</title>
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		<dc:creator>SusanMc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My favorite comment on this story, stolen from a poster at Shakes Sis&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe next time that kid asks “What’s the difference between ‘theoretical’ and ‘realistic’?” he can be told the real answer: “Theoretically, Obama supports feminism, but realistically, he throws us under the bus.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What I wonder about Obama is, though– with his amazing wife and two daughters– what is there about Mac’s misogyny that he finds the least bit funny?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite comment on this story, stolen from a poster at Shakes Sis</p>
<blockquote><p>Maybe next time that kid asks “What’s the difference between ‘theoretical’ and ‘realistic’?” he can be told the real answer: “Theoretically, Obama supports feminism, but realistically, he throws us under the bus.”</p></blockquote>
<p>What I wonder about Obama is, though– with his amazing wife and two daughters– what is there about Mac’s misogyny that he finds the least bit funny?</p>
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		<title>By: cleanth</title>
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		<dc:creator>cleanth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am 68 years of age with a distinguished professional academic record and have won several awards.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have thought long and hard on these issues.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My thoughts, as conveyed in my post, are considered.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Differences of opinion, especially thought-out opinion, are not occasions for such epithets as yours to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You seem indicative of the rather abysmal level to which public discourse has sunk in this country. You do, in this way, as it seems to me and many another, no honour to either FDL or to the ideals of Jane and ReddHedd, et al.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would discuss my positions in depth with those inclined to open discourse.&lt;br /&gt;
At least I am qualfied to form the opinions I express, and I do not open my mouth before well considering what I have to say.  This is no ad hominem attack on you, but ‘if the shoe fits….’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good day, Sir or Madam!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 68 years of age with a distinguished professional academic record and have won several awards.</p>
<p>I have thought long and hard on these issues.</p>
<p>My thoughts, as conveyed in my post, are considered.  </p>
<p>Differences of opinion, especially thought-out opinion, are not occasions for such epithets as yours to me.</p>
<p>You seem indicative of the rather abysmal level to which public discourse has sunk in this country. You do, in this way, as it seems to me and many another, no honour to either FDL or to the ideals of Jane and ReddHedd, et al.</p>
<p>I would discuss my positions in depth with those inclined to open discourse.<br />
At least I am qualfied to form the opinions I express, and I do not open my mouth before well considering what I have to say.  This is no ad hominem attack on you, but ‘if the shoe fits….’</p>
<p>Good day, Sir or Madam!</p>
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		<title>By: glennmcgahee</title>
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		<dc:creator>glennmcgahee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can’t you just hear the State of the Union. “American citizens and you HO’s,I’m here to report that the state of the union is…..”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can’t you just hear the State of the Union. “American citizens and you HO’s,I’m here to report that the state of the union is…..”</p>
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		<title>By: dws3665</title>
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		<dc:creator>dws3665</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesJoyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesJoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Censorship “”sucks”&quot; in all forms.  Does not matter if the censorship is initiated by quote: “the right or left.”   Moderators and Editors are viruses and the First Amendment was designed to negate the “fascist tendencies” of the modern day thought police! As a head moderator you are the problem not the people posting.  Ask Norske, Kiddo, Raven and several others who have vacated this site because of tactics employed by moderators similar to the tactics employed by the current fascist bastards in the white house.  Hypocrite you are! Words and the alleged offensive nature characterized by some posters is “nothing” compared to the issues facing America. Nosrke is correct!   “Latte drinking,”  nitwits who have no concept of history, facts, or the experience in “life” to comment.   “Moderator would you please delete this!”   Kiss my derrière PC/fascsit creeps…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Censorship “”sucks”&quot; in all forms.  Does not matter if the censorship is initiated by quote: “the right or left.”   Moderators and Editors are viruses and the First Amendment was designed to negate the “fascist tendencies” of the modern day thought police! As a head moderator you are the problem not the people posting.  Ask Norske, Kiddo, Raven and several others who have vacated this site because of tactics employed by moderators similar to the tactics employed by the current fascist bastards in the white house.  Hypocrite you are! Words and the alleged offensive nature characterized by some posters is “nothing” compared to the issues facing America. Nosrke is correct!   “Latte drinking,”  nitwits who have no concept of history, facts, or the experience in “life” to comment.   “Moderator would you please delete this!”   Kiss my derrière PC/fascsit creeps…</p>
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		<title>By: Thers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Huh.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh.</p>
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		<title>By: Thers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You cannot abrogate or delegate your responsibilities as a moral being.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If this were my blog, I’d have two syllables for you. As it is not, I will merely request that you grow up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You cannot abrogate or delegate your responsibilities as a moral being.</p>
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<p>If this were my blog, I’d have two syllables for you. As it is not, I will merely request that you grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: dws3665</title>
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		<dc:creator>dws3665</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I don’t think that Mac’s lame attempt at humor went quit so far as “referring to women as “ho’s”,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, if you don’t “think” so, that’s your right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Reuters tells a &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/07/11/obama-doesnt-appreciate-ho-joke-at-fundraiser/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;different story&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The money quote to teh super-funny joke: So he tells the nephew: “Hypothetically speaking, we should have $100,000. But realistically speaking we live with two hos,” Bernie Mac said.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry to burst your bubble.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama would have been well within his rights to tell him off, but he couldn’t even get that right. He had his spokeswoman do it. Classy, as ever.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t think that Mac’s lame attempt at humor went quit so far as “referring to women as “ho’s”,</p>
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<p>Well, if you don’t “think” so, that’s your right.</p>
<p>Reuters tells a <a href="http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/07/11/obama-doesnt-appreciate-ho-joke-at-fundraiser/" rel="nofollow">different story</a>.</p>
<p>The money quote to teh super-funny joke: So he tells the nephew: “Hypothetically speaking, we should have $100,000. But realistically speaking we live with two hos,” Bernie Mac said.</p>
<p>Sorry to burst your bubble.</p>
<p>Obama would have been well within his rights to tell him off, but he couldn’t even get that right. He had his spokeswoman do it. Classy, as ever.</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
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		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;How does referring to women as “ho’s” help? And Obama’s half-assed, “no, I take it back, I’m just messing with you” comment at the moment was just gross. And later, to get another “clarifying remark” from a spokesperson is just becoming for too much par for the f*$!ing course from him and his campaign.&lt;br /&gt;
reply&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think that Mac’s lame attempt at humor went quit so far as “referring to women as “ho’s”, but he he won’t enjoy facing the women in his family:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
    “My little nephew came to me and he said, ‘Uncle, what’s the difference between a hypothetical question and a realistic question?’” Mac said. “I said, I don’t know, but I said, ‘Go upstairs and ask your mother if she’d make love to the mailman for $50,000.’”
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;YMMV.  The women in my family would righteously crucify him, with no mercy.  And the men would  be giggling as he squirmed.  Yes, right, they should join in.  But the women are so damn good at this.  He’s be crying for his mommy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;IMHO, it was ill-advised of Obama to try to get into the middle of it.  And the way he did it  was particularly lame.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How does referring to women as “ho’s” help? And Obama’s half-assed, “no, I take it back, I’m just messing with you” comment at the moment was just gross. And later, to get another “clarifying remark” from a spokesperson is just becoming for too much par for the f*$!ing course from him and his campaign.<br />
reply</p>
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<p>I don’t think that Mac’s lame attempt at humor went quit so far as “referring to women as “ho’s”, but he he won’t enjoy facing the women in his family:</p>
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    “My little nephew came to me and he said, ‘Uncle, what’s the difference between a hypothetical question and a realistic question?’” Mac said. “I said, I don’t know, but I said, ‘Go upstairs and ask your mother if she’d make love to the mailman for $50,000.’”
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<p>YMMV.  The women in my family would righteously crucify him, with no mercy.  And the men would  be giggling as he squirmed.  Yes, right, they should join in.  But the women are so damn good at this.  He’s be crying for his mommy.</p>
<p>IMHO, it was ill-advised of Obama to try to get into the middle of it.  And the way he did it  was particularly lame.</p>
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		<title>By: cleanth</title>
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		<dc:creator>cleanth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wigwam has writen:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“IMHO, Bernie was lame, but you don’t throw a bro under the bus for this shit. He was there to help. Just sayin’.’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have lost a great deal of what cautious respect I once had for Obama, and not just because of his latest equivocations and rapacious honing after the presidency at, apparently, any cost.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do not trust this man.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for McCain, he is beneath contempt.  However, I cannot subscribe to the ‘lesser of two evils’ concept.  Evil is evil, and it will not do to claim in expiation that Senator or Representative so-and-so did it.  When you vote for these people you are erecting  vicarious moral agents who take, in your name, decisions for which you alone are responsible.  You cannot abrogate or delegate your responsibilities as a moral being.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wigwam has writen:</p>
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<p>“IMHO, Bernie was lame, but you don’t throw a bro under the bus for this shit. He was there to help. Just sayin’.’</p>
<p>I have lost a great deal of what cautious respect I once had for Obama, and not just because of his latest equivocations and rapacious honing after the presidency at, apparently, any cost.</p>
<p>I do not trust this man.</p>
<p>As for McCain, he is beneath contempt.  However, I cannot subscribe to the ‘lesser of two evils’ concept.  Evil is evil, and it will not do to claim in expiation that Senator or Representative so-and-so did it.  When you vote for these people you are erecting  vicarious moral agents who take, in your name, decisions for which you alone are responsible.  You cannot abrogate or delegate your responsibilities as a moral being.</p>
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