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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Fundraising Woes:  Are Pro-Choice Women Keeping Their Pocket Books Closed?</title>
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		<title>By: lokywoky</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/11/obamas-fundraising-woes-are-pro-choice-women-keeping-their-pocket-books-closed/#comment-1537912</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The abortion issue is being lost due to the death of the thousand cuts.  There will be no need to overturn Roe because it is being chipped away slowly but surely through a campaign of ‘little’ restrictions - each seemingly insignificant, each standing on its own as ‘reasonable’ and each adding to the sum of making abortions impossible to get.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Parental notification.&lt;br /&gt;
Husband/father notification&lt;br /&gt;
Husband/father permission&lt;br /&gt;
24-hour waiting period&lt;br /&gt;
Forced ‘anti-abortion propaganda’ film viewing&lt;br /&gt;
Relaxation of restrictions on protestor proximity&lt;br /&gt;
Requirements of location of clinic facility&lt;br /&gt;
Requirements of clinic floor plans and lay-out&lt;br /&gt;
Restriction of one type (the safest procedure) of late-term abortion&lt;br /&gt;
Prohibition of public funding for abortions&lt;br /&gt;
Prohibition of public funding for ‘morning after’ pill&lt;br /&gt;
Establishment of fetal ‘personhood’&lt;br /&gt;
Refusal to provide RU-486 to rape victims by anti-abortion healthcare providers&lt;br /&gt;
Refusal to provide RU-486 to any woman by anti-abortion pharmacists/pharmacies&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m sure I have forgotten something.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By the way - the   ban on late-term abortions is a joke.&lt;br /&gt;
There are three established medical procedures for terminating a late-term pregnancy.  The ban only applies to one procedure.  That procedure is considered to be the safest for the mother by most medical professionals.  The other two options are still available.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The numbers are:  Number of late-term abortions for the 15-year period between 1990 and 2005, between 897 and 1523, depending on your source.  Compare that with the millions of first-trimester abortions performed every year in this country.  This procedure is not wide-spread, is not taken on a whim, and is used only in cases of dire emergency, or as described above, when the fetus is either already dead, suffers from anencephaly (total lack of any brain development) or a life-threatening condition of the mother that was not present earlier.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is a total wedge issue - but it is one of the ‘thousand cuts’.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The abortion issue is being lost due to the death of the thousand cuts.  There will be no need to overturn Roe because it is being chipped away slowly but surely through a campaign of ‘little’ restrictions &#8211; each seemingly insignificant, each standing on its own as ‘reasonable’ and each adding to the sum of making abortions impossible to get.</p>
<p>Parental notification.<br />
Husband/father notification<br />
Husband/father permission<br />
24-hour waiting period<br />
Forced ‘anti-abortion propaganda’ film viewing<br />
Relaxation of restrictions on protestor proximity<br />
Requirements of location of clinic facility<br />
Requirements of clinic floor plans and lay-out<br />
Restriction of one type (the safest procedure) of late-term abortion<br />
Prohibition of public funding for abortions<br />
Prohibition of public funding for ‘morning after’ pill<br />
Establishment of fetal ‘personhood’<br />
Refusal to provide RU-486 to rape victims by anti-abortion healthcare providers<br />
Refusal to provide RU-486 to any woman by anti-abortion pharmacists/pharmacies</p>
<p>I’m sure I have forgotten something.</p>
<p>By the way &#8211; the   ban on late-term abortions is a joke.<br />
There are three established medical procedures for terminating a late-term pregnancy.  The ban only applies to one procedure.  That procedure is considered to be the safest for the mother by most medical professionals.  The other two options are still available.</p>
<p>The numbers are:  Number of late-term abortions for the 15-year period between 1990 and 2005, between 897 and 1523, depending on your source.  Compare that with the millions of first-trimester abortions performed every year in this country.  This procedure is not wide-spread, is not taken on a whim, and is used only in cases of dire emergency, or as described above, when the fetus is either already dead, suffers from anencephaly (total lack of any brain development) or a life-threatening condition of the mother that was not present earlier.</p>
<p>It is a total wedge issue &#8211; but it is one of the ‘thousand cuts’.</p>
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		<title>By: revday</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry for the typos. I’m too tired to proof read.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: newtonusr</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Amazingly insightful comment.&lt;br /&gt;
Welcome to the Lake, as I have not made your acquaintance.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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Welcome to the Lake, as I have not made your acquaintance.</p>
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		<title>By: revday</title>
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		<dc:creator>revday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“once upon a time, children, long, long ago there were feminists abroad in the land.” Clothodi, comment #170.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; We are still here!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve been a feminist since I was 10 in 1965. I remember us. We have been magnificent.&lt;br /&gt;
But many women were pushed out of the Narals and Nows for being too dykey. So, although many women who remained were very dedicated they were squashed by their communities. Ostracism is pretty powerful. Then the apologists took over. A lot of us lost hope when the ERA wasn’t ratified. I personally turned in another direction politically.&lt;br /&gt;
I am saddened that Hillary was so vilified by the right and that the left bought the Repug’s rhetoric, sent through the media over more then a decade, about her. When she lost the delegates nomination I determined I would support Obama, until he started breaking promises: FISA, Abortion rights, separation of church and state, and campaign financing. The financing issue wasn’t a deal breaker for me. I have been very involved in doing my part about communicating my concerns and expectation to Obama. In fact today I recieved 5 form letters from his campaign office telling me what he has been saying for a week now. Bla bla bla…I ‘m going to do what ever I want bla. And I have listened to his left apologist spend countless words trying to figure out why he f#*ed us.&lt;br /&gt;
I predict Obama will break his half a$$ promise about Iraq because he has always added a caveat to his statement. He will pull us our of Iraq depending on “…what is happening on the ground”. Same as Bush. Different guy - same back-door deniability.&lt;br /&gt;
I quit my membership in Moveon.org, stopped my subscription to KOS and Huffington Post, and made sure I didn’t have to read Andrew Sullivan channel his nasty drag queen ever again, when the vitriol towards Senator Clinton became so childish, destructive, and predictable. The collusion of  right and left wing men to sink her campaign worked. It hurt her particularly but it also hurt all women. Women say what happens when a women puts themselves out their. It is how they are, what we wear, how we speak, etc., that is lambasted by school yard bullies in suits and laptops. I guess Obama had something Hillary didn’t. No, you don’t have to take it out of your pants to show me. They are all politicians and have done what it takes to get there. Hillary just happened to be a women. In a lovely shade of turquoise pant suit. Thinking about that kind of  “reporting” still makes me ill. I wonder if they will ever say Obama has just stepped out in a revealing bespoke suit that matches his eye color. Bloody not likely.&lt;br /&gt;
Anyway, I don’t give a damn if one of you smug punks think that older women have the intelligence or value of an earth worm. Truth is truth and you failed in an important opportunity to look beyond your own fears and anger at women during the primaries. Whether you like it or not Hillary was every woman who is strong and determined to take power,just like you have for so long. We heard you say women are shrill (bless you Glen for using this word so much in reference to men, I paid attention.), conniving, ball snatching, liars who aren’t going to take your interest to heart. You stayed afraid Hillary would use you then take your money. I watched it, heard it, and know it was one of the worst, openly and ugly backlashes against women I have ever seen. And I also don’t care if you can’t see it, won’t admit it, or you may try to make me feel inferior because you feel attacked. You guys might as well just save it. Most feminists stopped listening to you a while back. Your arguments against Hillary lost credibility when you supported a man without looking at his whole record or critically analyze his pretty speech-a-fying. Sexist men always say the same things, use the same tactics, and bore me to tears.&lt;br /&gt;
One lovely thing that came of all the debacle of the primaries is that young women watched and woke up to the fact that sexism still rules, women are screwed if they stand up to men and say I know better then you, and I should be the decider. In the plainest terms I can speak, I watched a national circle jerk at women with Senator Clinton as the proxy.&lt;br /&gt;
And the greatest blessing of all is that the denial of the women who believe in equal pay and state “but I am not feminist” found out they really are feminists. You guys helped give birth to a whole new generation of women that see your sh-t and won’t be quite so acquiescent the next time you tell them, “aren’t you cute, stupid, ill informed, irrelevent, and/or bitchy (take your pick) being so mad about such a little thing”. So I thank you for your obviousness in your attacks on Hillary. I thank Clothodi for her comments.&lt;br /&gt;
And finally, one of you guys said that you weren’t worried about Abortion rights. Couldn’t have said it better myself why men shouldn’t have so much power.&lt;br /&gt;
Shew, I’ve need to say that directly to you for some time now.&lt;br /&gt;
Caution: We still are abroad in the land. And proud of it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“once upon a time, children, long, long ago there were feminists abroad in the land.” Clothodi, comment #170.</p>
<p> We are still here!</p>
<p>I’ve been a feminist since I was 10 in 1965. I remember us. We have been magnificent.<br />
But many women were pushed out of the Narals and Nows for being too dykey. So, although many women who remained were very dedicated they were squashed by their communities. Ostracism is pretty powerful. Then the apologists took over. A lot of us lost hope when the ERA wasn’t ratified. I personally turned in another direction politically.<br />
I am saddened that Hillary was so vilified by the right and that the left bought the Repug’s rhetoric, sent through the media over more then a decade, about her. When she lost the delegates nomination I determined I would support Obama, until he started breaking promises: FISA, Abortion rights, separation of church and state, and campaign financing. The financing issue wasn’t a deal breaker for me. I have been very involved in doing my part about communicating my concerns and expectation to Obama. In fact today I recieved 5 form letters from his campaign office telling me what he has been saying for a week now. Bla bla bla…I ‘m going to do what ever I want bla. And I have listened to his left apologist spend countless words trying to figure out why he f#*ed us.<br />
I predict Obama will break his half a$$ promise about Iraq because he has always added a caveat to his statement. He will pull us our of Iraq depending on “…what is happening on the ground”. Same as Bush. Different guy &#8211; same back-door deniability.<br />
I quit my membership in Moveon.org, stopped my subscription to KOS and Huffington Post, and made sure I didn’t have to read Andrew Sullivan channel his nasty drag queen ever again, when the vitriol towards Senator Clinton became so childish, destructive, and predictable. The collusion of  right and left wing men to sink her campaign worked. It hurt her particularly but it also hurt all women. Women say what happens when a women puts themselves out their. It is how they are, what we wear, how we speak, etc., that is lambasted by school yard bullies in suits and laptops. I guess Obama had something Hillary didn’t. No, you don’t have to take it out of your pants to show me. They are all politicians and have done what it takes to get there. Hillary just happened to be a women. In a lovely shade of turquoise pant suit. Thinking about that kind of  “reporting” still makes me ill. I wonder if they will ever say Obama has just stepped out in a revealing bespoke suit that matches his eye color. Bloody not likely.<br />
Anyway, I don’t give a damn if one of you smug punks think that older women have the intelligence or value of an earth worm. Truth is truth and you failed in an important opportunity to look beyond your own fears and anger at women during the primaries. Whether you like it or not Hillary was every woman who is strong and determined to take power,just like you have for so long. We heard you say women are shrill (bless you Glen for using this word so much in reference to men, I paid attention.), conniving, ball snatching, liars who aren’t going to take your interest to heart. You stayed afraid Hillary would use you then take your money. I watched it, heard it, and know it was one of the worst, openly and ugly backlashes against women I have ever seen. And I also don’t care if you can’t see it, won’t admit it, or you may try to make me feel inferior because you feel attacked. You guys might as well just save it. Most feminists stopped listening to you a while back. Your arguments against Hillary lost credibility when you supported a man without looking at his whole record or critically analyze his pretty speech-a-fying. Sexist men always say the same things, use the same tactics, and bore me to tears.<br />
One lovely thing that came of all the debacle of the primaries is that young women watched and woke up to the fact that sexism still rules, women are screwed if they stand up to men and say I know better then you, and I should be the decider. In the plainest terms I can speak, I watched a national circle jerk at women with Senator Clinton as the proxy.<br />
And the greatest blessing of all is that the denial of the women who believe in equal pay and state “but I am not feminist” found out they really are feminists. You guys helped give birth to a whole new generation of women that see your sh-t and won’t be quite so acquiescent the next time you tell them, “aren’t you cute, stupid, ill informed, irrelevent, and/or bitchy (take your pick) being so mad about such a little thing”. So I thank you for your obviousness in your attacks on Hillary. I thank Clothodi for her comments.<br />
And finally, one of you guys said that you weren’t worried about Abortion rights. Couldn’t have said it better myself why men shouldn’t have so much power.<br />
Shew, I’ve need to say that directly to you for some time now.<br />
Caution: We still are abroad in the land. And proud of it.</p>
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		<title>By: betterdays</title>
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		<dc:creator>betterdays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;After the primary, Senator Obama Changed. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;he is going to expand Bush’s marriage of government and religion;&lt;br /&gt;
his support for abortion rights wavered;&lt;br /&gt;
he changed his position on campaign financing; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and I could ignore all this..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but he voted for the FISA bill he promised to filibuster, overriding the 4th amendment, granting immunity to telecomms who went along with Bush’s requests, stopping any investigation into what Bush really did.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll give my money to the Senators and Congressmen who stood for the rule of law and voted against this new FISA expansion of spying power.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the primary, Senator Obama Changed. </p>
<p>he is going to expand Bush’s marriage of government and religion;<br />
his support for abortion rights wavered;<br />
he changed his position on campaign financing; </p>
<p>and I could ignore all this..</p>
<p>but he voted for the FISA bill he promised to filibuster, overriding the 4th amendment, granting immunity to telecomms who went along with Bush’s requests, stopping any investigation into what Bush really did.</p>
<p>I’ll give my money to the Senators and Congressmen who stood for the rule of law and voted against this new FISA expansion of spying power.</p>
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		<title>By: betterdays</title>
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		<dc:creator>betterdays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;During the primary, I would not hear about any candidate but Senator Obama. I convinced my family and friends he was the one to reverse the abuses of the Bush administration. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After the primary, Senator Obama changed his mind on campaign funding….&lt;br /&gt;
  Then he modified his position on abortion..&lt;br /&gt;
    Then he announced he would expand Pres Bush’s marriage of goverment and faith….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the primary, I would not hear about any candidate but Senator Obama. I convinced my family and friends he was the one to reverse the abuses of the Bush administration. </p>
<p>After the primary, Senator Obama changed his mind on campaign funding….<br />
  Then he modified his position on abortion..<br />
    Then he announced he would expand Pres Bush’s marriage of goverment and faith….</p>
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		<title>By: ruthhmiller</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Me too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too.</p>
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		<title>By: tw3k</title>
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		<dc:creator>tw3k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Out of all the name dropped for VP I like Dood. He is a hero in terms of FISA. I think he is too tied into the MIC. That misgiving aside, at least, I trust Dodd would not turn that weapon of war on the population. I also trust that Dodd would not be a barnacle and would work within the democratic prinicples of the nation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of all the name dropped for VP I like Dood. He is a hero in terms of FISA. I think he is too tied into the MIC. That misgiving aside, at least, I trust Dodd would not turn that weapon of war on the population. I also trust that Dodd would not be a barnacle and would work within the democratic prinicples of the nation.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenE</title>
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		<dc:creator>CitizenE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Today, Raw Story reported that Senator Chris Dodd was being seriously vetted for becoming the Vice Presidential nominee.  Personally, I’d prefer him to Hillary Clinton. Insofar as I can tell, when it comes to campaigning, Hillary Clinton loses money. And I wonder how a Dodd candidacy would change the base position on Obama, the running commentary, let alone fund raising.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Raw Story reported that Senator Chris Dodd was being seriously vetted for becoming the Vice Presidential nominee.  Personally, I’d prefer him to Hillary Clinton. Insofar as I can tell, when it comes to campaigning, Hillary Clinton loses money. And I wonder how a Dodd candidacy would change the base position on Obama, the running commentary, let alone fund raising.</p>
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		<title>By: tw3k</title>
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		<dc:creator>tw3k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chinawecanbelievedb7.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fuck obama&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chinawecanbelievedb7.jpg" rel="nofollow">fuck obama</a></p>
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