You have to admire America’s hard-love volunteer analyst Phil Gramm. He may be a mean sumbitch
Gramm both looks like a snapping turtle and has the personality of one. When he ran for president in 1996 and finished fifth in Iowa, all the profiles written of him included the line "Even his friends don’t like him." Self-righteous and strident, Gramm demonized his opponents and used bitter, polarizing rhetoric. During a Senate debate over Social Security, a member pointed out that the proposal under consideration would hurt 80-year-old retirees. "Most people don’t have the luxury of living to be 80 years old," Gramm scoffed, "so it’s hard for me to feel sorry for them." Well, there is that.
but he’s a mean sumbitch with convictions
Since Gramm launched his political career in the late ’70s, he has benefited from one of the strangest prejudices of politics: that meanness is a synonym for integrity. The Gramm Fallacy—which he has cultivated relentlessly (with, for example, jokes like these)—is that his coldness, orneriness, and homeliness signify principle and purity. No politician this unappealing could be anything less than worthy.
Gramm rose from a hardscrabble Georgia childhood to an economics professorship at Texas A&M. In the mid-’70s he thrust himself forward into Democratic politics on a platform of "Government Is the Enemy." (Why Democratic politics? Because that was the way to get ahead in Texas.) He bulled his way into Congress in 1978. He came as close to libertarianism as party politics permits, arguing that all Americans needed to wean themselves from the public teat. He would make rich and poor suffer so that all might live in greater freedom.
a real stand on his own two feet kind of guy
Gramm, the great crusader against government spending, has spent his entire life on the government tit. He was born at a military hospital, raised on his father’s Army pay, went to private school at Georgia Military Academy on military insurance after his father died, paid for his college tuition with same, got a National Defense Fellowship to graduate school, taught at a state-supported school, and made generous use of his Senate expense account.
who’s willing to pay the price of his principles
It’s no surprise that Gramm would stiff his fellow Republicans: His guiding Phil-osophy has always been, What’s good for Phil Gramm is good for the USA. The classic example is of course Gramm’s military record: rather, his non-military record, which consisted of courageously beating the drums for empire, war, and military pork-barrel spending, while studiously avoiding military service himself. As William Saletan put it in the July 1995 Mother Jones, "After graduating from a military high school in 1961, [Gramm] used five consecutive student and teaching deferments to escape the Vietnam draft. He explained that he spent most of the war teaching at A&M because he ‘preferred it’ to joining the Army."
That particular hypocrisy is only a special case of Gramm’s broader legislative record, which happily contributed to the Texas political lexicon the word "grammstanding." Grammstanding is taking public credit for some legislative action — particularly some home-state spending program — which you either directly opposed or else had nothing to do with. The speed with which Gramm’s self-congratulatory press releases hit the wires following the passage of some expenditure he had in fact obstructed or ignored achieved legendary status among reporters: hence the honorific which, like "gerrymander," will survive him.
At the start of his career, as my Slate colleague William Saletan argued in a 1995 Mother Jones story, Gramm preached a conservatism in which all Americans would have to sacrifice. But over time, Gramm has shucked any pretense of libertarianism. Gramm spoke of belt-tightening, but forced it only on folks he didn’t need, notably immigrants and the poor. He began his career railing against corporate subsidies, but he never pulled the trigger. Instead he became one of the biggest recipients of campaign contributions from energy, banking, health-care, and insurance companies. As an economist, Gramm knows that farm subsidies grossly waste taxpayer money, but he has never moved against them. And Gramm became one of Congress’ leading pork dealers: He once bragged that he steered so much government spending to Texas that he was getting trichinosis. Gramm, who once claimed that all Americans needed to sacrifice, excluded anyone who gave him money, voted for him, or lived in Texas: They never had to get off the wagon.
Let’s face it: it’s been rough for Phil. After all, he paid $20 million for 8 delegates in his ‘96 race for president (which was run, in what I dearly hope is a bit of cheap historical irony, by John McCain) and then lost his Chairmanship when Democrats retook the Senate because Sen. Jeffords hopped the aisle, just like Senator Phil did once (which is how he got his Chairmanship to begin with)
But did Phil repine? He did not. When life handed Phil career lemons, he made career lemonade with them (well, the million dollars his wife got from Enron when they named her to the board after she deregulated them probably softened the blow a bit, particularly since when things started to go bad for them she sold out her stock with the rest of the insiders for an extra $250k or so)**
“Countdown with Keith Olbermann” reported Tuesday night that lobbying disclosure forms, filed by the giant Swiss bank UBS, list McCain’s campaign co-chair, former Texas Sen. Phil Gramm, as a lobbyist dealing specifically with legislation regarding the mortgage crisis as recently as Dec. 31, 2007.
Gramm joined the bank in 2002 and had registered as a lobbyist by 2004. UBS filed paperwork deregistering Gramm on April 18 of this year. Gramm continues to serve as a UBS vice chairman.
Gramm’s UBS lost money on the mortgage meltdown, but again Gramm didn’t let it get him down. He went out looking for new opportunities to add value
Gramm is not a paid McCain adviser, but his day job—vice chairman of a U.S. division of Zurich-based financial giant UBS—could pose new tests for a candidate who has promised high ethics standards and ditched advisers who failed to meet them.
UBS has recently written off huge losses in subprime-mortgage-based securities, and last week liberal bloggers noted that Gramm was a registered UBS lobbyist on mortgage-securities issues until at least December 2007.
NEWSWEEK has learned that UBS is also currently the focus of congressional and Justice Department investigations into schemes that allegedly enabled wealthy Americans to evade income taxes by stashing their money in overseas havens, according to several law-enforcement and banking officials in both the United States and Europe, who all asked for anonymity when discussing ongoing investigations. In April, UBS withdrew Gramm’s lobbying registration, but one of his former congressional aides, John Savercool, is still registered to lobby legislators for UBS on numerous issues, including a bill cosponsored by Sen. Barack Obama that would crack down on foreign tax havens. "UBS is treating these investigations with the utmost seriousness and has committed substantial resources to cooperate," a UBS spokesman told NEWSWEEK, adding that Gramm was deregistered as a lobbyist because he spends less than 20 percent of his time on such activity. Hazelbaker said the McCain campaign "will not comment on the details … of ongoing investigations and legal charges not yet proved in court."
which, dedicated Gramm watchers will remember, is just another opportunity he and his Republican friends in congress made for themselves, without whining (they’re all about the bootstraps)
"Republicans lead by Sen. Phil Gramm of Texas and the accounting industry’s trade group are working to kill a Democratic measure that would impose new rules on auditors, companies and investment banks in the wake of Enron’s collapse," reports The New York Times. That would be the same Phil Gramm who got $101,350 in contributions from Enron and $927,055 from the financial industry while chairman of the banking committee. (By way of contrast, the late Henry B. Gonzalez of Texas, a populist, accepted no contributions from the financial industry while serving as chair of the House banking committee.)
…
This cheerful effort to scuttle mild financial reforms comes amid regular updates on Enron’s frauds and felonies — – rigging the market during the California "energy crisis," playing games with Global Crossing to disguise loans and other financial facts, etc. Try these exercises in financial fakery:
— "Using prearranged but undisclosed plans, executives may sell stock without being accused of insider trading. Now regulators, worried about the use of fake plans, may force advance disclosure of them." (New York Times)
— "House Republicans are blocking an effort by Democrats to force a vote on a measure that would prevent companies from avoiding income taxes by reincorporating in Bermuda and other offshore tax havens." (New York Times)
David Cay Johnson of the Times reports that despite corporate claims that moving to Bermuda is done to benefit shareholders, the biggest beneficiaries are often the chief executives on the companies.
and, of course, this
McCain’s campaign is already distancing itself from some of Gramm’s other work for UBS: his involvement in attempts to sell financial products known as "death bonds," which BusinessWeek described last summer as one of "the most macabre investment scheme[s] ever devised by Wall Street." Not long after joining UBS, the Houston Chronicle reported, Gramm helped lobby Texas officials, including Gov. Rick Perry, to sign on to a UBS proposal in which revenue would be generated for a state teachers’ retirement fund by selling bonds, whose proceeds would in turn be used to buy annuities and life-insurance policies on retired teachers. UBS would advance money to the retirement fund, then repay itself, compensate bondholders and pocket profits when insurance companies paid off on retirees who died. According to a banking-industry source, who asked for anonymity when discussing a sensitive matter, Gramm was involved in efforts to pitch similar UBS products to other financial institutions.
Newsweek may know them as "death bonds," but per Molly, they have another name
According to The Washington Post, President Bush wants a new economic team. Can’t imagine why. Oh, here it is: It’s "part of Bush’s preparation for sending Congress an ambitious second-term domestic agenda." He wants someone "who can better relate to Congress and be more effective in dealing with financial markets and television interviewers."
There you have it – Phil’s perfect for the job. Mr. Charm. And he knows how to talk those seniors into getting rid of Social Security. He’s in practice. He’s been back here in Texas lobbying to make it legal to sell "dead peasant" life insurance to the Teacher Retirement System.
"Dead peasant" insurance is such a deal that Wal-Mart and lots of big companies do it. See, a company like Wal-Mart takes out life insurance on low-wage employees (that would be Texas teachers), then it gets to deduct the premiums from its taxes. And when the employee dies, the company gets a benefit between $64,000 to more than $250,000.
Gramm is currently vice chairman of UBS Investment Bank. Under the UBS plan, the Retirement System would buy annuities and life insurance policies on retired teachers and keep the proceeds when they die.
See, that’s just brilliant. Private industry, working with the government, can monetize grandma and grandpa. Of course, that means that it could potentially be quite profitable for the state administering grandma and grandpa’s medical plan if, say, grandma and grandpa didn’t get the most aggressive care. Problem?
"Most people don’t have the luxury of living to be 80 years old," Gramm scoffed, "so it’s hard for me to feel sorry for them."
Ladies and gentleman, the man who’s writing John McCain’s economic policies. Don’t let them get their hands on your grandparents.
* a kind of bacteria. Intestinal, for example, or STD-causing. It’s a, y’know, whatchamacallit. Pun. Does having to identify a pun actually make it less funny than having to explain it? Is that even possible? Don’t mind me, it’s been a long week.
**Christy and MyDD and Obsidian Wings and David Corn already covered how Gramm’s actions as the chair of the Senate Banking Committee (and his wife’s deregulatory efforts) arguably paved the way for Enron and the mortgage crisis and, according to at least one report, a significant chunk of the rise in gasoline prices.
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Hola, Julia~~~~~
Aloha, Julia!
hey julia…. i don’t wanna be gramm-positive
i don’t think it is curable – just look at mcsame
Hi Julia!
Is he a Gramm Cracker?
This is hard post to read right after dinner.
What’s good for the Union Bank of Switzerland is good for America.
Oh this guy sounds like quite a winner.
Hey, C, Suz, Betsy, Matt and Allan.
Yeah, Betsy, he really is. In a lot of years of watching politics I’ve rarely seen anyone take such joy in flaunting cheap sadism.
These turkeys have no shame. They should all be tarred and feathered and run out of town. It’s simple really.
yeesh.
I feel better about my pun.
sorry ;)
My better half is home and fed, and she has been diagnosed to have this common ailment and a few polyps…! Not great by nothing major…! *g*
Since you can never have enough Molly Ivins, The Masters of Mean
via The Masters of Mean“>MotherJones, 2002.
And with that, I bid you all a fondue. *g*
going somewhere?
It’s been so long since advanced HS biology that I can’t remember if the Gramm-negative bacteria were the ones that came out pink or the ones that came out purple when they were stained. (I remember that the purple stain was a real pain to clean up – it took alcohol to clean it off fingers.
… Maybe that’s what they’re using on Iraqi fingers?)
One small point Julia; Gramm hopped the aisle when he was serving in the House. He resigned his seat (after having been stripped of a committee chair for being a Reagan spy in the Dem caucus), switched to being a Republican and re-won the seat in a special election caused by his initial resignation.
One more try.
Hang in there, wdd – can you get us a better link?
good news ct is always better than bad news
g’nite wangdang
The pun was very cool.
Even more so after I understood it!
lol
All I remember is Gramm was one of the very serious people on the McNeil Lehrer News Hour for years on end.
Yes’m. Bastrop by 8:30. Bed right now.
Nighers, dawgs.
he actually did leave town, but he’s back.
His wife works for a foundation fighting environmental regulations funded by the family that has the contract to refill the strategic oil reserve in the DC area, and let’s face it, the man was almost sixty before he got a paycheck that wasn’t from the government.
What else was he going to do?
night doodle.
#17 did the trick. ; )
Even, So-so news is better than bad…! ;-)
thank you. and sleep tight
Aloha, WDD!
trudat, he did, but he’d also been in Washington for about fifteen minutes when they put him in charge of a committee, and I think a lot of it had to do with his being seen as a Leader of the Reagan Democrats.
He really did screw the folks in the House over. I understand he promised to support them for floor votes to get on a hot committee and then reported on their strategies to the White House.
Phil Gramm is in the news for being an asshole. Remind me again: Which millennium are we in?
He and Wendy are a pair, check out the eron history if you have time.
I can just imagine him Sec of Treasury, Milton Freidman here we come.
jo6pac
yeap – if it aint bad news, it’s good news is what i was trying to say.
thanks.
I miss Molly…
Night!
That always amazed me. Yes, the man has a brain. I don’t think anyone ever challenged that. But there are lots of people with brains who shouldn’t be let to have sharp objects, and Phil Gramm is transparently one of them.
:D
(I think I’m responding all out of order here…)
lol, h8 that
hey, tw3k.
Good post, Julia. It’s beginning to look more and more that a McCain presidency would be as much like a second term for Herbert Hoover, as a third term for W…
Can somebody explain to me what exactly would happen if Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were to “fail”. My understanding of what these two companies do is that they buy mortgages from banks. Like everyone else who’s bought mortgages from banks lately, they’ve acquired a lot of shitty loans that aren’t ever going to be repaid. I understand that much. What I don’t get is why the government–or anyone else, for that matter–would throw money at either of these companies. The argument seems to be that, if Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fail, then no one would ever again be able to get a mortgage.
Here’s my question: Instead of throwing money at these two companies, why don’t we instead use the money to start a new company that specializes in non-shitty loans? That way, we aren’t wasting money on Frannie Mae and Freddie Mac, AND we’ve solved the “crisis” that would supposedly result from the failure of those two companies.
A bailout of Freddie Mac and Fannie May bondholders would be one of the biggest taxpayer rip-offs in American history.
The top five foreign holders of Freddie and Fannie long-term debt are China, Japan, the Cayman Islands, Luxembourg, and Belgium. In total foreign investors hold over $1.3 trillion in these agency bonds, according to the U.S. Treasury’s most recent ”Report on Foreign Portfolio Holdings of U.S. Securities.”
A gramm of prevention is worth a kilogramm of cure.
LOL! Good Q, I’ll buy that!
I am thinking you don’t like this Gramm guy huh Julia!!
Well here is a Digg for those sentiments and I do share them… He has been an ass all his career and has absolutely no compassion for his fellow man… Jesus would not like him either if he was alive!!
and the sad thing is, Hoover actually believed in what he was doing. McCain just finds Republican contempt for the little people compatible. I’d be willing to bet he has no idea what he’s supporting.
dugg and thanks for opening it nahant
Dugg!
Before I forget: your very own warning to put on all your electronic communication and as an added bonus those wonderful Democratic Whores who took money from the Telcos to vote against the fourth amendment:
+
You think Jesus might like Grammm better if Gramm were dead?
I’ll go along with that sentiment.
*gentle reminder*
no fantasy death wishes, no fantasy violence please
Thats fine Suz Ya know I like helping the Lake out. And I will only add my WARNING once per Thread unless I get request for more!! Julie put 8-2 on the calendar so if all goes right she will tag along that day:>)
Yeah, not a fan. Wasn’t even a fan when he was a Democrat.
His wife tells the story on him that they met when he was interviewing her for a job at Texas A&M as a member of the economics faculty. He said to her, she says, in the course of a job interview, “As a single member of the faculty, I’d be very interested in having you come to Texas A&M”
Reader, she married him. I mean, blurgh.
nahant, that is still a very very tentative date…. we can talk about that later
NPR report tonight:
The value of a “statistical” life has decreased during the last 5 years of the Bush administration.
Somehow I’m not surprised. Apparently it has nothing to do with the way Bushco treats our armed forces as cannon fodder for its international adventures. In fact, I’m not aware of any specific facts linking this decline to the Bush administration, but it certainly seems poetic justice.
Bob in HI
Just penciled in for now… she does want to attend and that is half the battle.
Gramm-negative,* or how I stopped whining and learned to love Senator Phil
Does having a Lobotomy help GOPers love the Gramm?
Suz do you think some of these wonderful Pups would wish any harm to dear Phil /S
Well Dinner is on the table….my sweetie cooked tonight so gotta go… see ya all later:>)
I’d like to see him humiliated to the point he’s unemployable and that both his and his wife’s portfolios end up with negative value. And a stint in the slammer wouldn’t hurt either. Maybe we could frame him for something.
bon appetit
Attaturk touched on that yesterday
Apparently there are some real consequences in the way that they calculate the risks and benefits of protective regulations.
a long stint in the slammer and loss of all assets
Phil Gramm is just your typical Republican narcissist — no more, no less. Folks who only care about their own crappy little self. Pathetic.
funny thing today, i wanted to call in to the local am radio show, but i couldn’t get websites up to get the gramm quotes and history to back it up…….so, i listened and kept trying…..
lo and behold the host’ess with the most’ess brought it up….people started calling in indignant….and the tubes cooperated and i called in with details.
by then, all kinds of people had called in….farmers, wives, mothers of people in the armed forces, union people, ladies sponsoring dinners this weekend for candidates, ladies sponsoring queen pageants for the miss chili pepper contest……most noticeably absent? the mccain supporters……..not on the air……thank god. finally.
it was finally stupid enough that they didn’t call in, they didn’t dare……..and i recited all of gramm’s history, and sharon kept me on the air, bit by bit in great detail for all to know, once again saying that mccain-4th from the bottom of his class, has surrounded himself with completely stupid people……..would you want the person 4th from the bottom of your high school class running your country?
i want someone smarter than me running the country, mccain is not smarter than me.
his ass is grass if we keep bringing up how ignorant he is. in real terms.
Oh, dear.
I’m sorry, folks, but it’s pushing midnight here and I’m sinking fast.
Also I’m spending the weekend with the kid and she seems to be determined not to go to commit to sleep until I do…
thanks and good night julia
am glad my girls are grown up and i’m not fighting that battle any more :)
enjoy your weekend
i missed book salon :( :( :( but did read it and all the comments. wow, what a great coup for the lake and everyone was so well informed and asked great questions.
i’m sorry i missed it
did anyone find out what tonights friday nite news dump was?
Good points, dmac. Keep on keeping on.
Zombie ism is Contagious? I think I’ll dip my entire body into the brain bleach. Or I can try my latest experiment…if it doesn’t kill me. The Book ” When Technology Fails” suggests Neem oil, Tea Tree oil and garlic cloves can do wonders.
I of course added Serrano peppers to the garlic and fire roasted them over a cast iron pot no Mexican can cook/do magic without peppers ..or Lime, its in the rules somewhere.
Then I added cloves, cinnamon a few crushed vitamins, cod liver oil ( my dad swore it saved him from the Tuberculosis ) wormwood, grapeseed oil, oregano oil, black walnut. Plus the juice from a whole Lime.
If that doesn’t stop Zombie ism then I’ll step up to Habeneros
true enough.
I really feel as if the reason that he and Bush dislike each other so much is that McCain has the medals of the hero Bush would like to be and Bush is the charmed success McCain isn’t, but other than that, they’re the same person.
Two sons of with impulse control and substance issues whose daddies handed them all the opportunities they threw away. Go figure they have the same bad attitudes.
sleep well Julia
night, folks :)
Nite, Julia;)
It becomes clearer everyday that we Americans are the dumbest son of a bitches on Earth..
and the gop/corporate media/nsa intend on keeping us that way
Let’s say the Dodd Housing bill is quickly passed by the House and signed by Bush (despite his ‘threat’ to veto it). Soon lenders start handing over mortgages to the government and in some cases lenders & borrowers transfer their mortgage at a discount.
How does that affect the Housing market?
How does that affect Fannie & Freddy?
Paulson & Bernanke said they were financially sound, so why is the ‘market’ jittery about them?
I think the Bush administration is trying to scare the bejeezus out of everybody and have been trying to do so for some time. They seem to want the economy to crash just as Obama is coming into office (as it appears he will do).
If you were an investor would YOU trust anything coming out of this administration? Would you quake at the news that Fanny & Freddy are on shaky ground when just a month ago there was no indication of that?
To me it seems like a propaganda blitz rather than real news.
Democrats in the House should pass the Dodd bill by 9am and move on to energy matters and hunting down Karl Rove.
It’s rare for the out-of-power party to find it politically valuable to improve the economy as they approach the election. But, this is the Bush era and everything is seen through Alice’s lookingglass.
I don’t know the technical difficulties, but I can imagine that once some ARM mortgages are assumed by the government and rejiggered as fixed-rates that many could be sold (at least the selling of them could begin) in the marketplace. When that might happen would depend upon how much loss the government would accept. Their task is to shore up the mortgage market rather than to make a profit, so they might be able to do it quickly (say within 3-6 months).
The Republicans are trying to delay delay delay since they seem to want the economy to crash, so I wouldn’t expect the House vote to be so overwhelming as some others we’ve seen recently. But, how much political pressure the reps are feeling will determine how many feel like putting their careers on the line. Clearly the senators who didn’t vote at all didn’t want to end their careers by voting “No”, so the wusses just passed that risk on to the House Republicans. Nice going there.
House Republicans who have nothing to lose might vote against the bill, but how many can afford to do that?
In the bigger picture Bush doesn’t want to be seen voting against this bill since he wants to retain capital for voting against energy bills which might harm his beloved oil industry. House Republicans shouldn’t count on their ‘fearless leader’ supporting them. It isn’t his way. He wants them to take the hit. If the bill gets to him he’ll sign it and smirk.
Hmmm. Sounds like a certain senator from Connecticut.
he’s with us on everything except iraq doncha know
Paulson & Bernanke said they were financially sound, so why is the ‘market’ jittery about them?
Because the Bear Stearns failure was suppose to be the last domino to fall and now the market is barely above 11,000. Because Bush has been talking about a strong Dollar policy since his first term. Because despite the Surge being such a success the high price of oil is killing the economy.
In short the market does not trust Ben or Bush for good reason.
Ha! Good for you, dmac.
I think the Bush administration is trying to scare the bejeezus out of everybody and have been trying to do so for some time. They seem to want the economy to crash just as Obama is coming into office (as it appears he will do).
I’m worried about that to but August September is the time to watch because I think Bush’s economic bomb is going to blow up in his hand then.
If this is the bill you’re talking about, it doesn’t look like that good a deal:
CBO Projects Housing Bailout Program Will Send 140,000 Families Into Second Foreclosure
“Money” quote:
The problem will get worse and we do not have the cash to bailout the financial system.
nope, after the election so they can claim to not be influencing the election… i think the election results will be what influences any decision
I just finished reading the whole thing after a crash and Bill Moyers — wow, that was great! Wonderful job all you pups. And, no, Suzanne, I don’t know any late news dumps as I’m ALWAYS way, way behind…
Chris
I’m afraid they’re going to just “put it on the credit card” and inflate/devalue their way out of it – the most painless way for the well-to-do.
hey chris – glad you caught up :)
it sure has been one hellofa week pups. whatta roller coaster ride of ups and downs
If Bush can control his economic time bomb. Last summer I said September and the market blew up in late August :(.
Just four hours late… and very worried about my machine. Hope I can stay here tonight.
True but at some point that will drop the value of the Dollar below the Peso.
I haven’t seen a news dump either. Guess they’re willing to let McCane be the laughing stock all weekend. Something’s up with that.
Candy gramm for mongo er mccain! Candy Gramm for McCain!
Me McCain…
kapow!
apologies to Mel Brooks
True, but those with assets will feel it the least – that’s all they care about.
land shark
sorry, forgot the link land shark
Grammstanding is taking public credit for some legislative action — particularly some home-state spending program — which you either directly opposed or else had nothing to do with. The speed with which Gramm’s self-congratulatory press releases hit the wires following the passage of some expenditure he had in fact obstructed or ignored achieved legendary status among reporters: hence the honorific which, like “gerrymander,” will survive him.
Didn’t McCain do some GrammStanding of his own and tried to claim to support the Webb G.I bill recently?
Don’t forget to add psychotic when you mention stupid when mentioning Gramm and/or McSame. Good for you for getting it all. out. there. More and more we have to do the reporting and truthtelling ourselves don’t we?
People like Gramm are liars and cheats and care nothing for their fellow human beings. Just what we don’t want in an elected official or their advisors, I would hope. They criticize anyone who would deign to take their game (stealing our tax dollars) away from them. They really believe it’s their money for the taking.
He reminds me of the Eli Wallach character in The Magnificent Seven. “if they were not meant to be shorn, God would not have made them sheep! Heh heh heh!”
Great BBQ McCain!!!
Now that’s hilarious! I do remember the SNL Land Shark!
Yup. Something else too…
candygram for mongo!
Evening all. I was gonna ask how the death bond thingie gets past the old requirement of “insurable interest”, but decided it’s too damned depressing for the middle of the night. Started wondering how the devil anyone can acquire good title to the sliced and diced mortgages and if once the govt takes em they can ever sell them, but that’s too depressing too.
Guess that leaves Phil Gramm… and calling him names. Probably a bitter whiner himself. My money says he couldn’t even get a date in college. Musta hated that – no dates but he had to stay to keep his deferments.
somebody robbed the glendale train – and i bet grammstains were left
(well, the million dollars his wife got from Enron when they named her to the board after she deregulated them probably softened the blow a bit, particularly since when things started to go bad for them she sold out her stock with the rest of the insiders for an extra $250k or so)**
Darth’s energy Task Force Meetings are secret right so the statute of limitations won’t start until we get those notes assuming Darth does not destroy them.
But if he doesn’t well given Phil and Wendy’s GOP connections chances are they were Darth’s backchannel from the White House. We soo have them:).
That’s it, Suz and CE, Gramm IS a Land Shark!
Let’s be careful out there!
Yes, first McSame and Bush trashed the GI Bill for being too generous and not providing enough incentive to stay in the army, and then they extended it to family members and took all the credit for everything.
I really cannot wait for January.
Having made Nixon’s enemy’s list and special rebuke from Spiro T. Agnew, Michael Brewer and Tom Shipley perform their famous hit
they did not cotten to being called subversives when lawrence welk was doing the same song
Dah na, dah na …
NEWSWEEK has learned that UBS is also currently the focus of congressional and Justice Department investigations into schemes that allegedly enabled wealthy Americans to evade income taxes by stashing their money in overseas havens, according to several law-enforcement and banking officials in both the United States and Europe, who all asked for anonymity when discussing ongoing investigations.
Gramm loves money and hates taxes I bet he has money in one of these tax shelters.
I want the MSM just once to treat Phil, McCain, or Bush the way they treated Hilary or Obama on just one of the scandals that happened this week.
one of them off shore tax shelters
TCU don’t forget that little fire in the executive office… highly suspicious if ya ask me… right next to Darth’s office… has any one ever heard what really happened and what was damaged/destroyed???
ROFLMAO! Here is the Lawrence Welk version. I bet a lot of hippies thought they were really smoking the bad stuff if they heard it on the teevee!
i thought the fire was in his office
What was damaged-destroyed has yet to be decided.
or it was really really really good stuff
one redeeming factor, his son Jeff was in a really good band
Well, David Brooks had to flutter his way through the Gramm thing on the Newshour but not until he called Obama “narcissistic” for planning to have a convention rally in a sports arena and claiming it’s all “me me me”. He was pretty animated. Mark Shields for once did a pretty masterful smackdown of Bobo’s psychobabble.
Brooks had to admit that Gramm is not emotionally intelligent, a smart guy, but not a warm fella. I forget if it was shields or brooks who pointed out that as McCain is trying to reassure MI folks who are out of jobs that he *cough* cares, gramm’s telling everyone to suck it up and he’s not going to apologize. What. a. tool. They all also brought up Gramm’s failed prez run as well.
So there’s that little tidbit.
baby did a bad bad thing
From outsidethebeltway
Cheney’s office was damaged by smoke and water from fire hoses, White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said. The vice president was not in the building at the time; he was in the West Wing of the White House with President Bush.
More than 1,000 people who work in the building were evacuated. The fire broke out on the second floor of the building around about 9:15 a.m. and was under control within a half hour, District of Columbia fire department spokesman Alan Etter said.
Afterward, Bush and Cheney appeared on West Executive Avenue, between the White House and the damaged building, to thank District of Columbia firefighters. A fire tanker nearby still had its ladder extended to a window on the blackened second floor.
The blaze was located in Cheney’s suite of ceremonial offices. His working office is in the West Wing. Secret Service spokesman Darrin Blackford said the building was evacuated as a precaution. District of Columbia firefighters poured water on the blaze, broke windows and moved furniture onto a balcony.
There were no reports of serious injuries, Etter said. A U.S. Marine stationed at the building smashed a fifth-floor window to escape from the smoke and had to be rescued from the ledge, he said. The man suffered a minor cut to his hand.
The building remained evacuated while firefighters ventilated the smoke, Etter said. The displaced employees were sent to other offices or went home.
The extent of water, fire and smoke damage was unclear.
Can’t find much more than that…so far will keep looking!
I might feel sorry for little Jeffie for having to put up with an ogre for a dad, but nah…not many people get to live with all that stolen money, so I don’t. To turn a Grammphrase.
Inflation as measured by our government misses the purchasing power of the dollar that is deflated. Confederate money is an example. We pay our debts with it and the Saudis raise the price of our oil purchase. Bush asks the “Royal” family to eat it and they told him wher he can stict it cheek kisses aside.
At the bottom line under Bushco free market economics (unregulated) you can purchase less with your paycheck, even though it is more dollars…than the same production you did for the same effort in the 70’s. Why…they just print paper money and put it in circulation with no backing. They borrow from the next generations and tranfer the debt to the future. That lowers your paycheck purchase power.
That also reduces the value of the debt they owe tp you for retirement funds. They hide the equity and transfer it to their bottom line paid for by the taxpayer that does not get a tax break. By keeping interests rates low we recieve less for our savings so no one wants to save.
Reverse Robin Hood. They are the sherriff of Nottingham and we are in Sherwood forrest.
I think thats how we nail Gramm the same way they got Capone TAXES! Its not sexy but neither is Gramm.
LOL. That is soooo not a one-a, a two-a Lawrence Welk material!
Man, I remember having to watch that with my grandparents cuz there was nothing else before the days of VCR. I Love Lucy and Carol Burnett. But always the Lawrence Welk.
Ya know, Larry. My parents taught me not to use a word if I didn’t know what it meant. Do you know what a “toke” is?
Ooops, that comment from me was meant for Suze and her Chris Isaak vid. yow.
crap-too many things goin’ on– i keep posting this on the wrong thread–trying to catch up and keep up after being out of town–shit. time to sign off maybe,.
locals here are outraged by gramm…….i wish i could convey what all had to take place for that to happen….it’s quite a surge.
dmac July 11th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
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here’s a firedog link that helped me back up my own ass on my calls, follow the links at the end………..along with one from yesterday that you can look up yourself
http://firedoglake.com/2008/05…..s-baggage/
(and pups join the flickr page thing goin’ on–click on my name for mine–for the members page it’s
http://www.flickr.com/groups_m…..tab=member
you don’t have to be a member to see the flickr pages)
i really would like some feedback on art i’ve been doing. it makes me feel satisfied to look at it, i wanna know if it makes you feel the same thing. gotta click on them to see them though.
this is way epu’d cuz i couldn’t get on to fdl for about an hour or so………well, more like hours…….
OOohhh, I am so hoping they are using their cool new FISA powers to nail them. That would convince a few senators to vote for the constitution!
Don’t forget Mitch Miller… I had to endure lots of him also and Lawrence’s bubble music…..
its uh its ah its a derivative for the cutest dog in the world, token yeah that’s it..its a nickname for token
Please be more careful, Nahant. You have posted: “Jesus would not like him [Gramm] either if he was alive!!” Christians believe that Jesus was resurrected and is very much alive. Indeed, their scriptures aver that several witnesses saw Him in the flesh alive after his crucifixion. Whether you personally subscribe to this theology is quite beside the point here. And another point: who are YOU to speak unbidden for another, much less Jesus? How do you deign to know what Jesus thinks of Phil Gramm?
Mind, I have “no skin in this” qua believer: this is a matter of courtesy and civility.
I realise that you probably intended this as /snark or humour, but it was, IMO, misguided.
Where do you live dmac? I was just wondering which locals you are referring to…sorry if I missed it.
hi, welcome to the lake – i don’t recogize your name but if i’m wrong about you being new, i apologize in advance
i certainly, as a member of an evangelical bible based church, took no offense by nahant’s statement and i’m sure that none was intended.
Since when did “theology” come to be a synomym for “bullshit”?
You’re new here I think. So, welcome.
We’re not the assholes we appear to be. Just some Late Night decompression.
That is interesting. I thought he worked at home..
Perhaps by some really bizarre coincidence (National Secret, can’t be discussed) 1,500,000 e-mail records were totally destroyed.
Love that song, and the story they told. Thanks!
Great data saved it in my MS Word files..Muchias Gracias Senora!
No nobody knows what Darth lost in the fire but energy task force records would be low on his list after all there is the war crimes, the torture, the outing of Valerie Palme, the evidence that Saddam had no WMD, the whole fake African Yellow Cake story, the illegal spying on disidents/bloggers, his contract with the Devil for his soul. Haliburtron trading with Iran after Clinton declared them a terrorist state.
In other words is there anything on Hugh’s list that Darth wasn’t a part of? Washington DC would burn to the ground from the heat if Darth were to burn every incriminating piece of paper.
Well, I could try to recite the parable about the rich man forgiving a man’s loan, and then the same man was shaking down his servant pretty hard for his loan to the same servant…but I can’t do dueling scriptures.
We hate rich hypocrites who tell us how to think and tolerate people who might step on theology’s toes. Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven. I would venture to say Gramm would not care one whit what Jesus thought of him. No, I don’t speak for Gramm, just a hunch.
i don’t think anything got destroyed that was not intended to be destroyed – all the good stuff is kept in those man-sized moser safes
“…[W]ould you want the person 4th from the bottom of your high school class running your country?”
That was his rank in his NAVAL ACADEMY class! Shades of Dubya! Your point stands, but amplified.
crap, i’ve hit the wall, i hate that, i am the kid who won’t go to bed even though running into walls andstuff.
but i am….so, gotta hit the feathers,.
will somebody tell tuttle he has flickr mail from me? i can’t hang out any longer, still tuckered out from my travels….
all i could add to the conversation is that locals are peeved off at the junta lobbyists surrounding mccain. more than they are pissed at obama. and locals knowing what lobbyists like gramm are made of is a big, big thing.
the sun is rising.
thanks for passin’ on the message to tuttle………
(and part of the reason i couldn’t get onto fdl is that i wasn’t signed on to the internet….couldn’t get on, so signed off in aggravation then forgot i wasn’t signed on……..i get the stooooopid award, i am that tired……cracked me up when i realized why….oh well……nite………sweet dreams…….)
es has late late nite upstairs
Simple just read some of his parables.. And I can speak as I want I was raised in the Catholic church so I do know a thing or two. But when you really start seeing what man has done in his name it surely brings doubt to mind! He would never condone what Gramm has done with his life and the pure disregard Gramm has for his teachings… Just look at his throwing out of the Temple of the Money changers when he was just twelve years of age as just one example that was left for us to think about… Gramm also has no care in the world for mankind take his very kind statements on the whining in our country because of the state of our economy the dear George and the Rethuglians have wrought upon this country… Gramms history speaks volumes about him and his morals. I can have my/speak own opinions and if you don’t like them please don’t read them…
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*claps. a lot.*
But this is indeed the theology here. Whether you deem it bullshit or not, it is the relevant theology. If you are wondering if I believe these things, well, you’ll just have to suspend curiosity. As an academic scientist I learned long ago how to be the “devil’s advocate”, philosophically speaking.
I may indeed belive another to be spouting, as you would seem to want it, “bullshit”, but I recognise their right to express their opinions.
Cheers!
very well said, nahant
cleanth, are you saying that you came in here looking to be the ‘devil’s advocate’?
Pardon me for butting in -
Define “here” please.
I recognize anyone’s right to state their views. I connect the word “theology” with a reasoned attempt to explore the nature of God through rational thought- not a religious doctrine which is by nature unverifiable.
.Muchias Gracias Senora!
Senor Dude!
Still this is an untested potion please google neem oil and tea tree oil do not drink this I smashed my little toe a while ago and this should cure the nail toe nail fungus I got after that. This potion should cure skin conditions and hopefully GOP Zombie ism.
Do not put on open cuts without googling first.
Nahant writes: “I can have my/speak own opinions and if you don’t like them please don’t read them….”
BTW, I am a scholar of patristics and hold a licentiate in theology.I came up in the Orthodox Church. So you need not try to trump me with your R C affiliations. I have warm professional relations with your Church.
Best wishes!
True but energy task force meetings seem to petty for Darth to put in one of his safe’s or bother burning I would think.
If “theology” is the blantant assertion of unprovable religious doctrine- then “the earth rides through the universe on the back of a giant turtle” is theology.
i’ve said my piece and am moving upstairs to es’s fine thread. he has a very powerful video up top and i’m gonna enjoy it instead of being in a pissing contest
Nahant, you rock. :))
Not in Nottingham.
Oh no, Suzanne. I am not seeing my role here as “devil’s advocate”. I have been in on Firedoglake since its inception, but I have lurked all this time. I have the upmost esteem for this community, for its achievements, and the courtesy and civility of its discussions.
“Here” meaning in the context of Nahant’s post #45.
Has not the time come to give up the bandwidth and let this smallish matter rest?
Dang, you have some big words there, cleanth. Never have seen either one on a blog before.
Pups – yeah, it’s probably NOT juno.
But we should trundle upstairs and leave it back here.
Are you unfamilar with the vast schola of dogmatic theology? Dogmatics is a big part of theology.
I am familiar with church dogma–and some may call it theology- I would think of it as a substitute for theology- but as you say it probably doesn’t much matter
My final comment on this matter: Yes, theology is, in part, as you have described it here. Unprovable, and to my mind now only interesting as a species of intellectual history. But that can in itself fascinate. If you want to see good discussions of these matters from a skeptic whom I believe you would find comporting with your well-expressed demurrers, have a look at PZ Myers at pharyngula.com.
I wasn’t try to out trump you… the Orthodox church has the same roots as you know and the story on the steps I am sure is in your Gospel also. Jesus taught us to care for our neighbors and Gramm’s record and accomplishments sure don’t come any where near showing he cares for his fellow man in fact it shows quite the opposite.. IMHO! His history says it all just as Shrubs tells us about him.. money is their God and savior!
Sounds like commie dogma to me!
Well actually, I was reserving the term “theology” as that part of the discussion concerning the existance of the divine and it’s nature that IS rational and which admits of proofs- (Anselm, Aquinas, Kant, et al).
The other part says “about this there shall BE no discussion cause the Pope decided it ex cathedra- so shut the fuck up”.
How about this. “The quality of justice is mercy”.
Almost all congress critters are lawyers and most differences are settled in arbitration, the judges chamber dealmaking or refused by the prosecutor.
Bottom line all the reps and senators have secutity and a safety net for the masses is not a concern for them. A big FU and spend your tax dollars bailing out their big gamblimg casino “the stacked market”.
A broker advised me don’t play if you can not afford to lose. Well yjey are palying with our dollars in these bailouts. So why is the good senatoer Dodd doing this?
“Faith”
The interesting theological discussion regarding the Trinity for example is :
“Can this concept be expressed in a manner which is comprehensible and not internally inconsistent?”
Excellent, selise!!!
Woke up this morning with Scrooge in my head. So like former Sen. Gramm:
The clerk, in letting Scrooge’s nephew out, had let two other people in. They were portly gentlemen, pleasant to behold, and now stood, with their hats off, in Scrooge’s office. They had books and papers in their hands, and bowed to him.
‘Scrooge and Marley’s, I believe,’ said one of the gentlemen, referring to his list. ‘Have I the pleasure of addressing Mr Scrooge, or Mr Marley?’
‘Mr Marley has been dead these seven years,’ Scrooge replied. ‘He died seven years ago, this very night.’
‘We have no doubt his liberality is well represented by his surviving partner,’ said the gentleman, presenting his credentials.
‘It certainly was, for they had been two kindred spirits. At the ominous word liberality, Scrooge frowned, and shook his head, and handed the credentials back.
‘They are. Still,’ returned the gentleman,’ I wish I could say they were not.’
‘The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?’ said Scrooge.
‘At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge,’ said the gentleman, taking up a pen, ‘it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.’
‘Are there no prisons?”
‘Plenty of prisons,’ said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.
‘And the Union workhouses.’ demanded Scrooge. ‘Are they still in operation?’
‘Both very busy, sir.’
‘Oh. I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,’ said Scrooge. ‘I’m very glad to hear it.’
‘Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,’ returned the gentleman, ‘a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?’
‘Nothing!’ Scrooge replied.
‘You wish to be anonymous?’
‘I wish to be left alone,’ said Scrooge. ‘Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don’t make merry myself at Christmas and I can’t afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned-they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.’
‘Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.’
‘If they would rather die,’ said Scrooge, ‘they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”
—from A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens