So yeah, I don't have a lot to say about Fannie and Freddie possibly being bankrupt and everyone running around screaming "the sky is falling! The sky is falling!" Why? Because we knew, oh about 4 years ago, in 2004, that the two companies were probably technically insolvent and we knew, then, that the fact could be concealed by BS until the housing bubble collapsed (which we were also talking about 4 years ago.)
This is the way disaster works in the modern day. Some DFH says "perhaps a land war in Asia against a country that has never attacked the US and presents no threat might work out badly." Responsible people reply "You Damn Fucking Hippies. You were right about Vietnam and we've never, ever forgiven you. So we're going to cut off our nose just to spite your face."
Or perhaps "Maybe if we have huge tax cuts for the rich and a 150 billion dollar war that will cause large deficits."
Or possibly "Perhaps tax cuts mean less tax revenues, not more?"
Or "Invading Iraq may cause the price of oil to rise because it's very easy for guerillas to disrupt oil supplies."
Or "Repealing Glass-Steagall might be a bad idea". (Oh wait, Dems did this. Well both parties have "serious" people).
Or "Perhaps letting banks buy credit insurance just displaces the risk rather than covering it?"
Or "If you put interest rates to generational lows and leave them there, it might cause a housing bubble."
Or "Perhaps giving people loans they can't afford and not checking their credit is a bad idea and might make the housing bubble worse?"
Or (2002)"Given that we're probably on the wrong side of peak oil, perhaps the major car companies should be retooling for fuel efficient cars back in 2002 or so, and if they don't, perhaps when oil prices go up they'll finish going bankrupt?"
Or "Did your mothers drop all of you on your heads, then decide that wasn't enough and give you a roundhouse kick so hard it created a perfect and permanent cranial-rectal inversion?"
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Aloha, Ian!
That’s a lot of questions, teacher. May I have extra time and more paper please?
Change!
But, Ian, Dodd went on the air and said Freddie and Fannie were fine… and, then the 50% loss in the day’s opening was reversed and it closed at 25% lower for the day…!
fannie is in the mccain lobby
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I’m still giggling about that photo. Heeheehee
Logic and intelligence again.
Bunch of silly people around here.
We obviously don’t watch enough TeeVee.
Only a defeat in a world war will change us politics.
Heh, an excellent G-rated explicit pic…! No mincing words on intent…! ;-)
Will there be accountability.. or will the taxpayers be ordered by congress to pay for this too?
The guerrillas are on the Bush Family Payroll, as well as, on the oil industry’s payroll too. I call these guerrillas…al-Qaida & other death squads. See? It’s all making sense now.
and upvote Ian on reddit
well, it is an interesting illustration, I’ll give you that.
lol.
ian, linked to this earlier today - but i really should have saved it for your thread…
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we’ve got to get Ian to reprise John Q Treasury from the bopnews days. here’s a timely one i found cross posted at another site: Oh, Fannie, part I. Ian only wrote it in Nov of 2004.
it begins:
Who could have predicted any of these things? How’s about some common sense taking over?
Ian
cranial-rectal is just too good. once again you are great. :)
Yep, real ‘Serious People’…! Too much blood is on all the senior Dem’s leaders’ hands, arising from their inactions at best, complicity at worst…!
you are sitting in a room, listening to the sound of a speaking voice.
G. D. reality! sucks! and you can’t even get good acid anymore.
Gee do ya think all this freaking crap that has happened was thought out before hand by Darth when he met behind CLOSED DOORS with the Oil money men??? I DO!
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4th Amendment Hit Squad from http://www.bluetidalwave.com/2.....-list.html
On Wednesday July 9, 2008 our U.S. Constitution, specifically the 4th amendment was officially torched by the U.S. government. The Democratic leadership in control of the 110th Congress lighted the definitive match to burn up every citizen’s civil liberties while a giddy unpopular President George Bush and his highly voter despised rubber stamp Republican caucus held the gas can in bravado glee.
The world would be a better place if Bush was as an effective leader of the globe as he is at whipping the Congressional Democrats in legislative battles.
Twenty One Senate Democrats voted to give final approval today to broadening the government’s spy powers and providing legal immunity for the phone companies that took part in the illegal Bush wiretapping program.
Below is the total amounts of money each Senator has received from the telecoms. The open secret in Corporate America is the best bang for your buck is a U.S. Senator, regardless of party. It’s all about the Hamiltons baby!
Claire McCaskill
$405,382
Max Baucus
$1,077,883
Barbara Mikulski
$525,987
Evan Bayh
$685,727
Bill Nelson
$1,004,278
Tom Carper
$305,047
Bob Casey
$374,505
Ben Nelson
$642,956
Kent Conrad
$420,201
Barack Obama
$11,670,787
Dianne Feinstein
$2,194,058
Mark Pryor
$555,601
Daniel Inouye
$611,647
Jay Rockefeller
$882,538
Tim Johnson
$519,783
Ken Salazar
$681,867
Herb Kohl
$8,950
Jim Webb
$292,467
Mary Landrieu
$735,411
Sheldon Whitehouse
$316,425
Blanche Lincoln
$562,085
Ind Mac gone
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Gee, Wasn’t this Phil Gramm’s baby…. Phil of the Americans are just a bunch of whiners or how come “are poor people are fat”.. oh yeah, McCain’s economic adviser.. Or “Repealing Glass-Steagall might be a bad idea”. (Oh wait, Dems did this. Well both parties have “serious” people
You just don;t even know! Some of the ‘mortgage counselors’ in south CA (and elsewhere, I’m sure) were not even high school grads. Some were, (GASP — where’s Lou Dobbs when you need him?) illegal aliens. There was zero regulation for encouraging people to pull paper-equity out of their cheaply built homes. That they are now homeless and sqawking is their own greedy doing. The people I feel sorry for are those who followed the rules. My retirement will be less than I anticipated just because everyone else got caught up in greeeeeed. Thanks, Repukes.
The retort that I have been waiting for, listening to hearings, is “Senator, you are a very serious person but …”
Ian,
I have suggested to a few VSP that they might consider taking their right hand and placing it on their left ear, taking their left hand and placing it on their right ear and by exerting a steady even pressure, they can pull their heads outta their a**es.
They don’t seem to understand what I’m telling them though.
Is that a typo, or is Herb Kohl just a cheap date?
Rachel’s up, CTuttle!
Speaking of great graphics I did a complete doubletake yesterday, driving by a building that had the torture banner that loosehead uses in her posts [”Torture is Wrong”]. Pretty cool to know that was designed by one of our FDL commenters.
I imagine people in the future looking at us will have some questions of their own, like did we lose our collective minds, and how did it happen?
check out the link @ http://www.bluetidalwave.com/2.....-list.html
Modern (or any other) conservatism defined for the generations. The primary lesson we should have learned (but most people are completely ignorant of) from the past couple of decades is that markets are really very bad at solving problem and very, very good at fucking things up beyond all recognition. The second most important lesson we should have learned, but which is also never discussed, is that most corporate executives are as dumb as a box of rocks.
Oh Loo Hoo don’t get CT all HOT Bothered /S
*swoon* Btw, She starts it off with BT’s earlier observation…! ;-)
Looks like Keith will have a word about McCane and the Steelers.
Rachel is talking about McCain’s gaff on the Steeler’s compared to the Packer’s. You go Rachel since nobody else will touch it..
CT how did your sweetie make out with her procedure??? Did you make sure she got some special food after?? She earned it..
But, what…? They’re wrong…? *gasp* *g*
PS: One of those ‘mortgage counselors’ made a half million by doing the refinance riggle. Oh, yeah, he did do some jail time, but for some other scam entirely. There was NO supervision of the thieves…..none. “Free Market” is NOT our friend.
Rachel asks which is the case:
A) McCane can’t remember anything
B) He’s a liar
Thanks, nahant, for sharing, but OUCH!
Ian:
The Germans are already on it
She want’s a Veggie tempura… I’ve got Maui Onion, zucchini, mushrooms, carrots, and eggplant on tap… She’s underway as I type… She’ll give me a holler when it’s over, I’m 5 minutes away…! *g*
I remember when my DH and I got together, we both had jobs..together we might have made 25K a year in 1978. No credit card company would touch us with a barge pole.Not that we wanted one. Only rich people or companies could get them as I remember and i was certainly not high enough up on the food chain to merit that. As I recall, I don’t even think we could get a Sears card. I’m trying to think when that changed…
’bout sums it up, doesn’t it? Scary for our country that a man in this “condition” could get this close to the WH.
FAIL!
Not important because he was a POW. Let’s think back to famous flyers like Lindbergh, who obviously lost his way, imo.
don’t forget those of us don’t receive KO over the air, and have to rely on the kindness of others.
Here’s another breakdown of the figures:
http://holdfastblog.com/2008/0.....ter-money/
Which one is true?
sweet
I knew it.
Wonder if she used to work at the Mustang Ranch?
Wonder if she used to work at the Mustang Ranch?
Sounds like she *is* - Washington D.C. branch.
that was me for years.. now rachel is talking about fiorina talking about birth control and his social security gaff.. Now she is talking about how all this stuff rolls off. Let’s remember that he was a POW
Your making me wish I shorted stocks Ian, but No still to risky. Anyway here is a question of my own, with I predict a short answer.
Just what has Bush done right?
Republics believe birth control kills babies. See? Whackos! Oh but they’ll bitch, WHINE, and complain if a young girl keeps her baby (she didn’t use birth control) and uses welfare to get by. Spit.
Take care of her… you will get rewarded and that veggie tempura sounds real good! Now if you just add some thin sliced chicken and shrimp you will really get me drooling for some:>)
and that makes him worthy of the Presidency “How?”
ps thanks
Thanks for the link John
jo6pac in Tracy
Nada! But his daughters are cute wonder how in hell that happened??
OK, Elliot. brb
And what have they done for born babies lately?
Heh, i could do either, but, she wanted veggies…! I’m a little miffed she didn’t settle for my left-over chili…! ;-)
Discussion now on how Obama should strike since MSM doesn’t care since after all McCain was a POW and when. They seem to think that Sept. is a better time. IMO Obama’s new radio ad seems to be stay on top of it now. If you haven’t seen it go to talking points, it is great. I am trying to do spell check and why oh why is Obama showing up as a misspelling but not McCain…wtf
and that makes him worthy of the Presidency “How?”
Dear Elliott:
All of those years in a POW camp bestowed unquestionable, unrivaled, never-to-be-questioned foreign policy expertise upon Saint John.
Love,
JoeScar
Laughing at the memory ……. 1968: my husband was an engineer with a prominant company and I was a school teacher with a secure job — and Sears would NOT give us a credit card because we were new graduates. My, my — times have sooooo changed!
Commercial..
Cassandra/Common Sense is always ignored when emotions like Lust over Helen got Paris and the Trojans in trouble. Lust for oil got Bush and Cheney in trouble the Greeks assumed that Men were slaves to Fate I wonder if Fate is another word for Lust?
But all slaves to fate/lust seem to end in Tragedy as I recall although I might be wrong.
Using that same reasoning I should be SoS since I’ve served overseas…! ;-)
Rachel thinks the Obama campaign should have gone after McCane and Graham this week.
At least she’s asking questions about it.
and voting for a surveillance state makes someone worthy of the Presidency “How?”
kay in maine at 52–i actually knew a repub who thought that birth control pills would abort her fetus, i explained, no, it would just make it deformed. she was then scared she would have a deformed baby and got an abortion, and blamed the abortion for her stress. yep.
and what people miss is, repubs like it when people show that stiff upper lip, perservere…..rise above……but they don’t consider the automatic lifts they have to rise on…….that others don’t….
ctuttle–sounds good, food made with love…add club soda to the tempura instead of water….left you a note in the last thread.
bonkers–left a note. last thread.
You’re not wrong.
Gramm served up the mother lode of all political gaffes, “We’re in a mental recession…” *g*
lol!
After what she has just been through I would counsel against chili… just remember what happens later… ya know how it works it burns when it goes in and burns when it comes out…she would shoot you over that or maybe even something worse!! Think Ms Bobbit.
I’m thinking that was the cutting edge(bleeding edge)on this whole financial mess..once they’d opened up consumer credit, then it seemed just a hope and skip to opening up mortgages. I remember when we got our first one, the bank people called our employers to make sure a) that we really did have the jobs we said we did and b) whether or not we were well thought of, etc. to make sure we’d keep those jobs. I recall feeling a little bit angry at the time, but they were checking up on the possible investment in us. I think that level of ‘vetting’ on applicants just does not exist now and has not for a while.
Who is the guy saying that Phil Graham is the Marie Antoinette of politics. Let them eat cake.
Graham stays on the campaign.
Using that same reasoning I should be SoS since I’ve served overseas…! ;-)
Using that same reasoning, thousands of felons and ex-cons have the creds to be the prez…
(well, I suppose that they should probably be out of prison first…)
McCain is still using bitter thing against Obama (which will come up as a misspelling so I’m No longer doing that) but the whiner thing will be the gift that keeps on giving. Now Fiorina will control the economic message..oh goodie … wasn’t she fired.
On Monday, the poor thing get’s her top worked over… Mammogram…! ;-)
Hi mod My comment at 64 reads
Cassandra/Common Sense is always ignored when emotions like Lust over Helen
it should read
Cassandra/Common Sense is always ignored when emotions like Lust take over, Helen
Thank You
There may be a Phil Graham on the McCain campaign but I think you’re referring to Phil Gramm, the Senator from Enron. :})
Hey, I could be a Senator
I used to shovel shit out of the barn when I helped my brother-in-law milk cows when school was out for the Summer back in the day
I think that Keith is coming on to talk about McCain’s gaffe or gaff, not doing spell check anymore cause they don’t recognize Obama but do recognize McCain.. Actually doesn’t a gaff have to do with fishing?
Well, that’s just loads of fun. When she gets home on Monday fix her a large drink and stand clear. :)
ian-someone quoted you from 2004 earlier today, from another blog, the visual was someone putting his foot up on a desk and telling the other two in the room that they would have to worry about it…….sorry don’t have the thread, my browser quit about an hour ago and wiped out all my windows……….
and-
how come you didn’t mention how phil gramm had a hand in all the mortgage game?
(and i’m gonna keep on sayin’, i wish more pups would join the fdl reader flickr group, i know some of you have flickr pages, and the rest of you, i wanna see your cities and places, where you’ve been and where you’re goin’, i eat it up…….i love it…….i just put up more art on mine, gotta dig to see a recent photo)
http://www.flickr.com/groups_m.....tab=member
My goodness.. I am not a good dem cause I voted against Gramm when he was a dem in Dallas..
jest swear jesus into your heart and sign the dotted line.
Yeah he meant to say that he is in a mental recession
After all didn’t he predict that Bill’s tax increase would cause a recession?
I wonder what he said about Bush’s tax cuts I bet he predicted they would help the economy.
The words 2 time loser come to mind.
Sounds like you’re over-qualified…! ;-)
The very idea of giving loans (and huge ones) with no documentation was a disaster waiting to happen — but everyone seemed to look the other way as long as they were extracting huge fees from the fools who were taking out these loans. Where were the sensibles? I cut no slack to the banks and mortgage companies — they deserve to be skewered (just wish I didn’t have my retirement funds getting skewered along with them.) I tried to speak out —- but who would listen? Greed is gross!
Heh, needless to say I’m on my own…! 8-)
BTW the DFH who said, “You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia” was Vizzini.
here ya go
Absolutely freaking nothing Elliott. Oh but they’re the givers they say! Spit.
sorry for the ot—i’m just catchin’ up on comments–ctuttle, i’ve been gone for a week, i missed what happened to your wife, what happened?
Now that I live north of Atlanta, one poll actually asked if I was born again.. my reply was my mother had a hard enough delivery the first time, that I did not think it fair to do it over..
:)
they are bloodsuckers, lapping up every last drop now from anyone they can get their teeth into.
LOL !!!!
Oh, Loo, hey there, I was thinking along similar lines this am when I saw the video tape of that interview.
The moment seemed to go on for ever….while he thought and weighed.
I thought, see if ya stick to the truth, it’s gonna be so very much easier to answer questions later.
Oh, what tangled webs…..
Bah hahahahahaha! Funny. See how easy it is to manipulate the pea brains of the right wing? It’s so much fun.
Thanks for sharing this story.
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She’s having a colonoscopy right now… Monday, the top half is up…! I have to take matters into my own hands…! Run the family, as it were…! ;-)
I just ask everyone I know: Did you vote for Bush? How’s that working out for you? How about thinking next time!
here’s Phil’s greatest hits, via ThinkProgress
tw at 91–very funny……i’m on dial up….that took a while…i was just trying to mention it……couldn’t remember. hadn’t had time to read all of the comments yet. which i said. tryin’ to do forty things since i got home…….here’s a pie for you………hope you like lemon. and i sent you some art. more on the flickr page.
Thinking of running in ‘12?
Steelers.
Elliot, Recently I moved because of a divorce and the fact that my husband would be happier in no where w va living next to his sister after 32 years(sorry Christy) but the one thing I got out of the move was MSNBC and I can’t tell you how different it is.. Rachel is doing a great job.
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I think you and I are on the same metaphor page.