With all the headlines about Iranians testing medium range missiles, we’ve had two days of US reactions to how provocatively the Iranians are behaving. Only a few stories explained Iran might be reacting to what it perceives to be threats to attack Iran.
The Iranians recently saw the Israelis practice long-range air strikes. This week the US conducted naval exercises near the Straits of Hormuz, and Secretary Rice was telling Europe that we need to build a missile shield in Eastern Europe to protect them against Iranian missiles, and the US is pushing allies to impose tougher sanctions.
Of course, Iran’s President is a blustering, provocative fellow whose statements can’t be ignored, but he doesn’t control the country. We have George "bring it on" Bush and Dick "dark side" Cheney who invaded and occupied Iraq probably to secure favored access to its oil. With Bush’s hoped for successor, John McCain, singing "bomb, bomb, bomb, . . . bomb bomb Iran" and joking about killing Iranians with cancer, the US is not in the best position to claim it has a more mature, less belligerent leadership than the Iranians (Admiral Mullens and Secretary Gates notwithstanding).
The US has leaned hard on foreign companies to cease investing in Iran as a way to pressure the Iranians to stop their nuclear program. Yesterday, this pressure convinced Total, France’s huge energy firm, to withdraw from plans to help Iran develop its huge natural gas fields.
Total’s withdrawal from the country, including a planned huge gas project in the South Pars gas field, makes it the last major Western oil company to give up on Iran amid pressure from Washington to stop doing business with Tehran.
So what will that mean for oil and gasoline prices, now at record levels, and the price of natural gas, also near record levels?
The Iranians claim they are developing nuclear technology not to acquire nuclear weapons but to supply nuclear electric power plants. They want to do that for the same reason France did decades ago; if they have lots of nuclear plants, they don’t have to burn as much natural gas and oil to produce electricity.
Iran could then tap its vast oil/gas reserves — larger than the US reserves Bush/McCain want to tap off our shores — and sell these valuable fuels on world markets to support economic development at home. As a national energy strategy, it makes good sense (far more sense than US energy strategy), and it doesn’t hurt the rest of the world.
We have a legitimate concern for nuclear weapons proliferation. But the Bush regime wants to stop Iran from developing the ability to produce nuclear fuel, even for power plants. For the Iranians, relying on imported nuclear fuel — e.g., the Russians offered to supply them — would mean their economy would be more vulnerable to politically motivated supply disruptions. Iran no doubt saw the Russians curtail natural gas supplies to Eastern Europe to extort higher prices.![]()
So it’s easy to understand why the Iranians might conclude it’s essential to have their own nuclear fuel capability; without that, to avoid their own "energy dependence" problem, the Iranians would need to burn a lot more oil and/or natural gas to generate electricity.
Meanwhile, forcing Total and other foreign companies to cease developing Iran’s gas fields means that less gas will be produced, which could then require the Iranians to burn more oil for electricity generation. To the Iranians, these actions must look like economic war against their own energy independence and economic future.
Given current directions, US policies could result in Iran burning more oil and/or natural gas there, and offering less to world oil and gas markets. That means we’d pay higher oil prices, higher gasoline prices, and higher natural gas prices. A war would make matters much worse.
Voters might want to think about that the next time John McCain jokes about killing Iranians or criticizes Obama for suggesting we negotiate with nations that have something we want.



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Scarecrow!!
You know what? If a bully threatens, the victim responds in kind sometimes. Just sayin’. (Weird to think of Iran as victim, but there you have it.)
China We Can Believe In!
Buen dia, Scarecrow!
I have the distinct impression the global community is holding its collective breath, waiting and hoping for the purge of BushCo. Heard Bush and Cheney and Mukasey and Rove are going to be Constitution-boarded.
There you are!
Please see about more hamsters for the ‘engine room’ the site is sloooooooooooow and bumpy.
More hamsters please.
In terms of “Realpolitik” it makes sense that the neocons want to take Iran next (just look at a map). Why do I get the feeling that gang would be after those Iranian oil fields regardless of the perceived nuclear threat?
Just read the headline again. Krusty’s “Crude” jokes about oil. Ha!
I get jokes.
Why do I get the feeling that the moribund Congress will let them?
funny, with all the alarm at the Iranian missile tests, you’re one of the few that noticed Israel’s provocative test run for an attack on Iran.
Yeah, well what McCain is doing is the same ol’ same ol’. Whip up the jingoist buttheads to a frenzy about dem evil brown folks. The Iranians probably give a shit about this. They are pretty smart cookies and as long as they got their torpedo boats and Sunburns to hand fat, senile fool Dick Cheney’ll play hell getting any naval commander to risk his Trillion Dollar aircraft carrier in the Straits.
Frankly, I think the NetRooteys have a long way to go before ‘we’ understand just how deep the Kabuki is on the International scene.
There is usually only one Hitler or George W. Bush every so often.
Not so say we should not be concerned but if McSame is insane what are we worried about?
Surely The Precious will get his foot our of his mouth long enough to do in a tired, old white dude, eh?
Portuges?
I was born in Las Cruces, New Mexico. Buenos dias.
The message is being delivered to those for whom it is intended.
U.S. Naval commanders in the Gulf.
And, given the Ripper episode, I would tend to believe that the message has been heard….
Loud and Clear!
Kewl!
No place like the ‘Land of Enchantment’
Spanish. I’ve heard both, “buen dia” and “buenos dias.”
My guess is one is pre-coffee, the other post-coffee. ;-)
This is a test: What’s the state’s official question?
uh. it’s hardly just the Bush regime. or McCain.
Obama is on board, as are the congressional Democrats.
bipartisanship baby!
I’m falling asleep waiting for responses here…..
Need to go back to bed.
Have fun and remember….
Bush has Destroyed America!
Get out the dustpan and let’s start picking up the pieces. And those parts with the ‘conservative’ label or barcode on ‘em….
…they go in the trash.
Morning All :) Happy Friday :)
I noticed in the news feed the McCain/Nancy Reagan story..
Hmmm, interestingly presented, going to upset a lot of old time/old fashioned’ conservatives. He is not so shiny in the press recently…
Question? Couldn’t we just politely ask which ever country he is in to drive to the airport, put him on a plane and send him back for a little chat? He can go back when we’re done.. I’m quite sure most’ counties would be happy to do it..;)lol
Of course if he’s in Israel, that would make things even more interesting and Israel probably wont send him back.
‘Rove’s lawyer’s confirmed that Rove was out of the country on a trip scheduled long before the subpoena was sent.’
Red or Green?
I think that’s probably true, though with Obama, I’m not sure what he’d consider in negotiations. He’s emphasized the “incentives” at times, while sounding belligerent at others (AIPAC speech). If you’re going to have successful negotiations, you’d have to deal with Iran’s energy and well as military security concerns. Campaigns are not a good climate for serious talking about negotiating strategy.
An end to bickering!
Or we send you to Gitmo!
Gitmo you go!
To Gitmo, Gitmo, Gitmo!
Gitmo’s whar you Gonna Be,
You disagrees with Me!
Sung by the joint Senate and House choir with The Precious scattin’ day lead!
I seem to recall it was Sweden. Are they still a neutral country?
I’d like him and the whole rat pack of them to be sent directly to the Hague. Yesterday.
Yep.
Just so.
The Iranians don’t take McSame seriously when he does this shit. They understand its for the rubes in Georgia an sechlike.
They got their own rubes they run the same scam on.
what’s the answer?
All power to teh Mighty Google!
Probably negotiating for political asylum. He knows his ass is grass and there’s a big lawn mower just waitin’ for him.
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.
Namaste
Rove is never going to face a trial or go to jail. He will be pardoned, probably soon after the Nov. election.
Here you go:
http://www.gopplatform2008.com/intro.aspx
“Welcome to the most grassroots-driven platform development effort in the history of American politics!
The Republican Party is seeking your input as we develop the policies and principles upon which we should stand for the next four years. On this website, you can share your thoughts, participate in polls, and communicate directly with the policymakers who will be shaping the party’s agenda. All comments and feedback will be reviewed and taken into full consideration as we prepare for our convention in Minneapolis-St. Paul.”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
“Where are the tinfoil hats stored?”
i wonder if Obama’s lurch to the right on FISA was induced by coercion/blackmail – “if you vote down FISA, there will be a terrorist attack. If you vote for, there will not be an attack.’
Red or green? It means, do you want red chiles or green chiles with your meal? In some parts of NM, the only decent hamburger is one with green chiles.
godaddy.com says gopplatform-2008.com and gopplatform08.com are both available for squatting or parody sites ;)
i’ve never seen a statement from Obama or the congressional democrats saying that it would be ok with them – under any conditions – that iran “have the ability to produce nuclear fuel, even for power plants.”
if i’ve missed even one i’d like to know about, because there are have been many statements that say the opposite.
Just a side note.. If? it’s Switzerland not Sweden, the US Ambassador for Switzerland was at Cheney’s shooting party where he shot* his lawyer friend..;)
ahh!
I was clueless
but now that you’ve mentioned cheeseburgers
mMmmm
But I liked the question re, Swedish Neutrality…hmmmm :)
Folks!! Please calm down, here we are whinning and crying and ringing our hands,That is according to JohnnyMacs economic advisor.
All this stuff is all in our minds.Everything is fine and dandy.Right Phil Graham?
Nor I. btw, I’ve been looking around for an easy way to make the transportation vs electricity tradeoff calculation you asked about. Zillions of assumptions involved, but I remember seeing such comparisons in an earlier life.
You just ate the last of the French toast, how can you be hungry already? ; )
I’m always hungry for a good cheeseburger
that’s true, this is an imaginary recession
Just out of curiosity.. Where is Karl Rove physically?.. somebody knows where he is…
We could ask Interpol to find him for us…LOL
Well, we know where he ain’t!
thanks! from what you wrote, it seems that may be an important factor in evaluating any proposals for future energy strategies.
How can this not mention Bomb, Bomb, Iran?
LMAO….love it….
Good Morning Scarecrow. Wonderful post. Except that now you’re probably on some list of wicked-thinkers for daring to consider Iranians’ point of view on their own fate. But you knew that.
Our current administration makes me absolutely sick at heart, and mad as heQQ. Then along comes
borderlinesenile mccaint making sick jokes. There IS NO proper time to jab other world leaders in the eye, as if you’re the biggest bully on a middle school playground. We cannot afford to let 2 mean-spirited, mentally stunted brats be elected in a row in this once great land. They’re killing our country, our people, our heritage, reputation and future; and then there are the hapless folks around the world who used to depend upon US to be sane and fair… Makes me sick.Good on ya.
A little thing: it’s Phil Gramm, I do believe, but don’t trust my spelling either, heh.
I think dear Molly Ivins used to regard him as the meanest man in D.C.
sunbathing on a newd beach in Brazil? I dunno…
-um- brain bleach in aisle 52 please, STAT!
oops, 53
Thanks, that’s a good link to know about. btw, selise on your thread asked about the tradeoff between electricity vs transportation. Are you aware of a comparison, maybe in equivalent btus, for different global climate strategies? e.g., how do we look at an electric car scenario, given it’s demands on electricity generation?
And she was right, Adie, he’s always been a piece of work.
So glad Uncle Phil used the word “whiners.” It’s sticking to him & St. John like super glue.
while you’re laughing….
whyn’t ya sign up? it makes for a little sick fun.
Several years ago, i signed my horse up as a repuglit “leadership” member of my community, or some dang thing. I forget what they called it. But it was a scream, literally, to see what they sent out. Then, after they discontinued the dumbdumb idea, I even received a “personal letter of thanks” supposedly hand-scribbled by dumbya hisownself (no, surprisingly, not in crayon).
I think I still have the little red white & blue membership card somewhere. I used to flash it at my friends occasionally, to scare the bejeebers outta them. Too bad it didn’t come with a decoder ring.
That is Cheney’s brilliant plan to drive up the cost of oil: keep the mideast unstable and dangerous, foment war talk, rush to the brink. He and his buddies make millions. Who cares if people die? So?
BTW Scarecrow, I went to school in Las Cruces, grew up in S. NM.
Hey gang!
David Niewart’s upstairs talking election strategerie and immigration.
Good AM All Pups…
My .02 cents:
I was I was pondering that commandment about loving your enemies once Seemed difficult but then, I finally came to …if you don’t see anyone as your enemy, then you can love everyone.
Kind of like There is no spoon, from the Matrix.
What do you think of that?
I would, but I’m trying to cut down on the amount of junk mail (snail and e) under which I’m inundated.
As an aside, (full disclosure time) I voted for McCain in the Virginia Republican primary in 2000. I’m still getting surveys from the Virginia GOP.
I always like to respond with “are you people out of your fucking minds?” using their postage paid envelopes.
Re electricity and transport … there is a huge amount of work in this arena. A: It is cleaner than oil, even if using coal. B. If one increases “smart grid” and V2G at the same time, we can go a far way to using this to control inefficiencies such that current generation (let alone generation capacity) can handle a good part of the initial demand. C. Electrification of transport (again with Smart(er) Grid and V2G) enables a much higher penetration of intermittent renewable power (wind, solar), both in distributed and central generation (even though storage will be massively distributed). Much lower cost. New infrastructure required. Much less infrastructure than required with moving to, for example, hydrogen.
If I were the Prez of Iran, in response to Total’s caving to US pressure I would go to the Chinese as ask if they’d like to develop the natural gas fields.
I was just watching MSNBC and they showed a clip of Bush being heckled at Monticello on the 4th of July. One of the commentators said (Willie Guist sp?) you gotta wonder if after 7 years of constant heckling if the Bush speachwriters write in a pause for heckling. It was then that Lester Holt said…yeah, it’s kind of like with standup commedians. I about spit my coke out hearing Lester Holt compare the president to a standup comedian. lol
ooops…meant speechwriters not speachwriters. lol
Best way to undermine the hardliners in Iran is to apologize, officially, for the US part in overthrowing the democratically elected Prez Mossadeh in 1953, apologize for imposing the Shah, and then tell them that we would like peace and friendship now – no more interference.
THAT would undermine the hardliners in Iran and, you know, actually win over the bulk of the Iranian populace to boot.
You sure? It’s a peach of an idea. heh.
Solar Grand Plan
David N’s upstairs trying to get Kindergarten organized.
Hey gang. David N’s upstairs trying to get Kindergarten organized.
thanks! hoping to see more from you and scarecrow on this. seems like one of the big forks in the policy road ahead. and one i’d like to have a clue on.
US exports increased over 400% under gwb.Of course, still under $1B. But still, gwb, st john, and condi (along with “the dick”(vp cheney) still preach sanctions, but continue to wave US exports to Iran on. Very very strange.
Correction: It’s Red, Green or Christmas?
Red, Green or Christmas?
It’s not strange. It’s typical Republic behavior.
“The US has leaned hard on foreign companies to cease investing in Iran as a way to pressure the Iranians to stop their nuclear program.”
The Iranian civilian power program is legal and their military weapons program was terminated 4 years ago per the US National Intelligence Estimate (NIE.) So what’s the real story behind Bush’s war-on?
Bush wants to keep us all afraid enough to elect yet more Republics. That will assure that the plunder keeps flowing into the hands of the Bush family.