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	<title>Comments on: Obama Drives Home the &#8220;Mental Recession&#8221; Wedge</title>
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		<title>By: neurophius</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/10/obama-drives-home-the-mental-recession-wedge/#comment-1535946</link>
		<dc:creator>neurophius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A message I sent to Sen. Obama today:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Dear Sen. Obama)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As an Obama supporter, a [here I list my Obama campaign and Democratic Party credentials], I am deeply disappointed, saddened and bewildered by your vote for the very flawed so-called “compromise” on FISA. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In particular, I am disturbed by your vote for a bill that included the provision granting retroactive immunity to telecom companies that broke the law and violated Americans’ right to privacy by willingly assisting in the Bush Administration’s criminal program of wiretapping American citizens, with no demonstrated connection to terrorism, without warrants in violation of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Senator Obama, whatever happened to accountability? Whatever happened to the rule of law? Whatever happened to Congressional oversight of the Executive Branch? What happened to your oath to uphold and defend the Constitution? Why did you and a number of other Democrats cave in to the White House on this odious piece of legislation? As a purported Constitutional scholar, how could you attack our Constitution in such a flagrant manner?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I still intend to vote for you for president, but whether I carry out that intention will depend on your conduct between now and the November election. I call on you to come out strongly in support of a thorough criminal investigation of the Bush Administration’s illegal warrantless wiretapping program against innocent Americans, such investigation to be commenced immediately upon your taking the oath of office as President of the United States in January 2009.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please make a better effort to explain to your loyal supporters why you cast such a bad vote on FISA and retroactive immunity and what you will do as President to ensure that the Bush Administration and the criminal telecom companies that violated our right to privacy are brought to justice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A message I sent to Sen. Obama today:</p>
<p>(Dear Sen. Obama)</p>
<p>As an Obama supporter, a [here I list my Obama campaign and Democratic Party credentials], I am deeply disappointed, saddened and bewildered by your vote for the very flawed so-called “compromise” on FISA. </p>
<p>In particular, I am disturbed by your vote for a bill that included the provision granting retroactive immunity to telecom companies that broke the law and violated Americans’ right to privacy by willingly assisting in the Bush Administration’s criminal program of wiretapping American citizens, with no demonstrated connection to terrorism, without warrants in violation of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution.</p>
<p>Senator Obama, whatever happened to accountability? Whatever happened to the rule of law? Whatever happened to Congressional oversight of the Executive Branch? What happened to your oath to uphold and defend the Constitution? Why did you and a number of other Democrats cave in to the White House on this odious piece of legislation? As a purported Constitutional scholar, how could you attack our Constitution in such a flagrant manner?</p>
<p>I still intend to vote for you for president, but whether I carry out that intention will depend on your conduct between now and the November election. I call on you to come out strongly in support of a thorough criminal investigation of the Bush Administration’s illegal warrantless wiretapping program against innocent Americans, such investigation to be commenced immediately upon your taking the oath of office as President of the United States in January 2009.</p>
<p>Please make a better effort to explain to your loyal supporters why you cast such a bad vote on FISA and retroactive immunity and what you will do as President to ensure that the Bush Administration and the criminal telecom companies that violated our right to privacy are brought to justice.</p>
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		<title>By: goldstandard</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/10/obama-drives-home-the-mental-recession-wedge/#comment-1535941</link>
		<dc:creator>goldstandard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;it was a great speech Senator, especially this part……Let’s be clear, when people are struggling with the rising costs of everything from gas to groceries, when we’ve lost 438,000 jobs over the past six months, when typical families have seen their incomes fall nearly $1,000 since 2000, this economic downturn isn’t in our heads. It isn’t whining to ask for more than just psychological relief.&lt;br /&gt;
I sincerely hope your not thinking along the lines that Barney Frank was today in stating that Fannie and Freddie were to big to fail. Another tax payer bailout like we had for the S&amp;L crisis? If this is where we are going then what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. I suggest Senator Obama that you draft a bill that states the following. For every dollar that so far as been given to keep various banks an brokerages from going under as well as the hundreds of billions that will be required to keep these failed institutions solvent, an equal dollar amount will be given to every American that just received a tax rebate check. yes, christmas in July sounds about right.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it was a great speech Senator, especially this part……Let’s be clear, when people are struggling with the rising costs of everything from gas to groceries, when we’ve lost 438,000 jobs over the past six months, when typical families have seen their incomes fall nearly $1,000 since 2000, this economic downturn isn’t in our heads. It isn’t whining to ask for more than just psychological relief.<br />
I sincerely hope your not thinking along the lines that Barney Frank was today in stating that Fannie and Freddie were to big to fail. Another tax payer bailout like we had for the S&amp;L crisis? If this is where we are going then what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. I suggest Senator Obama that you draft a bill that states the following. For every dollar that so far as been given to keep various banks an brokerages from going under as well as the hundreds of billions that will be required to keep these failed institutions solvent, an equal dollar amount will be given to every American that just received a tax rebate check. yes, christmas in July sounds about right.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/10/obama-drives-home-the-mental-recession-wedge/#comment-1535921</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Y’know…I was just pondering this issue about how the NSA is likely gobbling up my emails and phone calls from abroad and inspecting them for any surrepticious material (and dirt) that they can lay on me for future use.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then I thought of Stanley Dunham, an anthropologist who worked in Indonesia. You might not think you know about Stanley…but I bet you do. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s a person that would have obviously been on the NSA’s watch list. A social activist in the Muslim communities of Indonesia, Dunham helped establish a system of loans to small businesspersons and farmers to help improve their lot in life. Married to Third World foreigners…twice. First to an African, then to an Indonesian…both ostensibly Muslim. Obviously a suspicious type of person, whose emails might carry some sort of intelligence information. Of course the personal stuff (about the kids, or relatives) might also have been useful down the road…just in case some pressure was needed to be made on Stanley.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Especially now…since Stanley’s son is now running for  the Presidency. Yes, Stanley Ann Dunham was Obama’s mother. And this is precisely the sort of dangers allowing the NSA to spy on the communications of US citizens without warrants can entail. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe someone should ask if there is any sort of file on Stanley Ann Dunham made by the CIA, FBI, NSA or other Intelligence agencies? How would Obama like his personal and private affairs explored in such a manner by the government? Maybe a situation for a FOIA suit would wake this guy up to the problems related to this sort of privacy invasion!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y’know…I was just pondering this issue about how the NSA is likely gobbling up my emails and phone calls from abroad and inspecting them for any surrepticious material (and dirt) that they can lay on me for future use.</p>
<p>Then I thought of Stanley Dunham, an anthropologist who worked in Indonesia. You might not think you know about Stanley…but I bet you do. </p>
<p>Here’s a person that would have obviously been on the NSA’s watch list. A social activist in the Muslim communities of Indonesia, Dunham helped establish a system of loans to small businesspersons and farmers to help improve their lot in life. Married to Third World foreigners…twice. First to an African, then to an Indonesian…both ostensibly Muslim. Obviously a suspicious type of person, whose emails might carry some sort of intelligence information. Of course the personal stuff (about the kids, or relatives) might also have been useful down the road…just in case some pressure was needed to be made on Stanley.</p>
<p>Especially now…since Stanley’s son is now running for  the Presidency. Yes, Stanley Ann Dunham was Obama’s mother. And this is precisely the sort of dangers allowing the NSA to spy on the communications of US citizens without warrants can entail. </p>
<p>Maybe someone should ask if there is any sort of file on Stanley Ann Dunham made by the CIA, FBI, NSA or other Intelligence agencies? How would Obama like his personal and private affairs explored in such a manner by the government? Maybe a situation for a FOIA suit would wake this guy up to the problems related to this sort of privacy invasion!</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No! Here’s what we need to do….we need to put pressure on the Obama Delegates and Superdelegates to cast their first ballot for Senator Dodd. THAT would be a very “in your face” message to Obama that his failure to support the Constitution has, at the very least, political consequences. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While this will not throw his nomination to the dogs it will signal that many of his supporters are quite upset at his vacillations and move &lt;strike&gt;to the right move&lt;/strike&gt; to fascistic principles of super-surveillance of Americans.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No! Here’s what we need to do….we need to put pressure on the Obama Delegates and Superdelegates to cast their first ballot for Senator Dodd. THAT would be a very “in your face” message to Obama that his failure to support the Constitution has, at the very least, political consequences. </p>
<p>While this will not throw his nomination to the dogs it will signal that many of his supporters are quite upset at his vacillations and move <strike>to the right move</strike> to fascistic principles of super-surveillance of Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: fran</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/10/obama-drives-home-the-mental-recession-wedge/#comment-1535902</link>
		<dc:creator>fran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow, Another unhappy low information voter~&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Another unhappy low information voter~</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/10/obama-drives-home-the-mental-recession-wedge/#comment-1535868</link>
		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I suppose everyone would be whining if they didn’t own 9 homes plus were worth a cool $100+ million as Johnny McTeleprompter and his wife are. Spit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose everyone would be whining if they didn’t own 9 homes plus were worth a cool $100+ million as Johnny McTeleprompter and his wife are. Spit.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/10/obama-drives-home-the-mental-recession-wedge/#comment-1535839</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bob - i’m one of those folks now too. although, of course, i reserve the right to change my mind… today my plan is to make a protest vote against obama.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i do appreciate arguing it out here in the threads, because i have yet to devise a sure fire way of knowing when i’m being rational and when i’m rationalizing. it helps to have my thinking challenged - i really do want that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;… it’s just gets so wearing though to be characterized as “petulant” and worse. that was the source of my plea. because i really didn’t think you meant it, i took it more as a sign of your own frustration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;anyway, i like your idea to attempt to influence the party platform. i think we should do any and all things that we can think of. it’s hard to know what might help.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bob &#8211; i’m one of those folks now too. although, of course, i reserve the right to change my mind… today my plan is to make a protest vote against obama.</p>
<p>i do appreciate arguing it out here in the threads, because i have yet to devise a sure fire way of knowing when i’m being rational and when i’m rationalizing. it helps to have my thinking challenged &#8211; i really do want that.</p>
<p>… it’s just gets so wearing though to be characterized as “petulant” and worse. that was the source of my plea. because i really didn’t think you meant it, i took it more as a sign of your own frustration.</p>
<p>anyway, i like your idea to attempt to influence the party platform. i think we should do any and all things that we can think of. it’s hard to know what might help.</p>
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		<title>By: wangdangdoodle</title>
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		<dc:creator>wangdangdoodle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just pointing out a couple of flip-floppers, is all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just pointing out a couple of flip-floppers, is all.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/10/obama-drives-home-the-mental-recession-wedge/#comment-1535831</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, I do respect those folks, and I hope they know me well enough to know that I respect them. And I hope they know me well enough to know that we  sing from the same hymnal, even though some of our favorites may differ.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m mad as heck about it, too. I have feelings about it. The point is, what to do about it? What would be the consequences of any particular course of action? I waver around a lot, myself. Kucinich and Ralph Nader sound good to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But part of Obama’s history is that, at least up until a few weeks ago, he has been a good listener. Do we want to get his ear? These Platform meetings are overtly an organized listening process.  I say let’s give him an earful. How often do us rank &amp; file folks have an opportunity to influence the Democratic Party platform?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I do respect those folks, and I hope they know me well enough to know that I respect them. And I hope they know me well enough to know that we  sing from the same hymnal, even though some of our favorites may differ.</p>
<p>I’m mad as heck about it, too. I have feelings about it. The point is, what to do about it? What would be the consequences of any particular course of action? I waver around a lot, myself. Kucinich and Ralph Nader sound good to me.</p>
<p>But part of Obama’s history is that, at least up until a few weeks ago, he has been a good listener. Do we want to get his ear? These Platform meetings are overtly an organized listening process.  I say let’s give him an earful. How often do us rank &amp; file folks have an opportunity to influence the Democratic Party platform?</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: RevDeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevDeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;that’s 2. You need 17 IIRC.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that’s 2. You need 17 IIRC.</p>
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