Comments on: The FISA Cavein Is Congress’ Shame http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/ Firedoglake weblog Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:23:32 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Outraged http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533941 Outraged Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:43:29 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533941 <p>The argument that this is a compromise BILL is false. The 1978 FISA law that was violated by this administration well before 9/11 does not need to be overhauled. This bill, being introduced is trying to use smoke and mirrors to state how our privacy will be protected in the FUTURE. All these protection schemes were already in PLACE in the original FISA LAW. This administration ELECTED to by-pass the LAW - it is that SIMPLE. It is only being introduced as something NEW to redraw the starting line to PROTECT the CRIMINAL ACTS of spying on AMERICA, and granting a free pass to the TELECOMMUNICATION Corporations who failed to uphold our privacy and a Congress that failed to do their job of oversight powers and thus COMPLICIT in the CRIME. Investigate Prosecute, and IMPRISION ALL who facilitated the CRIME. UPHOLD THE LAW OF THE LAND and do NOT grant immunity to the lawbreakers, and if this fails, let’s clean house of those co-conspirators and appeasers.</p> The argument that this is a compromise BILL is false. The 1978 FISA law that was violated by this administration well before 9/11 does not need to be overhauled. This bill, being introduced is trying to use smoke and mirrors to state how our privacy will be protected in the FUTURE. All these protection schemes were already in PLACE in the original FISA LAW. This administration ELECTED to by-pass the LAW – it is that SIMPLE. It is only being introduced as something NEW to redraw the starting line to PROTECT the CRIMINAL ACTS of spying on AMERICA, and granting a free pass to the TELECOMMUNICATION Corporations who failed to uphold our privacy and a Congress that failed to do their job of oversight powers and thus COMPLICIT in the CRIME. Investigate Prosecute, and IMPRISION ALL who facilitated the CRIME. UPHOLD THE LAW OF THE LAND and do NOT grant immunity to the lawbreakers, and if this fails, let’s clean house of those co-conspirators and appeasers.

]]> By: hazmaq http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533342 hazmaq Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:45:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533342 <p>Your flashing Breck advertisement near the top right of this article refuses to allow me to scroll down to actually read the whole article.</p> <p>Doesn’t that just say everything …about the ‘New and Improved’ America?</p> Your flashing Breck advertisement near the top right of this article refuses to allow me to scroll down to actually read the whole article.

Doesn’t that just say everything …about the ‘New and Improved’ America?

]]> By: taylorbad http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533341 taylorbad Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:43:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533341 <p>These US Senators swore to uphold and defend the US Constitution. That they would engage in and effort to create retroactive immunity to shield those in the Administration and the telecommunications industry who may have broken who knows what laws in the name of expediency and equivocation is gut-wrenchingly disappointing. This erosion in the rule of law will lead to more craven attempts to supplant these lesser individual values for the supreme values that have been the underpinnings of our representative democracy for over 230 years. If the leaders can cut these corners and not be accountable, why shouldn’t everyone else? It’s a disgusting turning point for our nation.</p> These US Senators swore to uphold and defend the US Constitution. That they would engage in and effort to create retroactive immunity to shield those in the Administration and the telecommunications industry who may have broken who knows what laws in the name of expediency and equivocation is gut-wrenchingly disappointing. This erosion in the rule of law will lead to more craven attempts to supplant these lesser individual values for the supreme values that have been the underpinnings of our representative democracy for over 230 years. If the leaders can cut these corners and not be accountable, why shouldn’t everyone else? It’s a disgusting turning point for our nation.

]]> By: alank http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533340 alank Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:37:53 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533340 <p>A used car salesman have more dignity than all the members of Congress combined.</p> <p>It’s the product of the American education/indoctrination system, Congress.</p> A used car salesman have more dignity than all the members of Congress combined.

It’s the product of the American education/indoctrination system, Congress.

]]> By: kairosincal http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533339 kairosincal Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:20:46 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533339 <p>Amen on your conclusion. I am becoming so disgusted with the Dems in Congress, it is nearing the level of contempt I have for the democrats.<br /> It is totally incomprehensible to me. “My heart is breaking” and my mind<br /> is beyond understanding and certainly way beyond any hope of affirming these creeps. How in the world did they get there; because iimpeachment was off the table, because folks like Feinstein and McCain’s wife and Dubya’s family connections are doing just fine with receipts from the endless warmongering. Hooray for Maliki saying we want a timeline and if we don’t get it, we’re not dealing. Still they have dealt with State and others to insure minimal return to Iraq for the oil. As Bill Moyers says, it was always about the oil. I wish to God we had a Supreme Court that could get the early energy talks info and use that to charge “them all” with war crimes, including the oil companies. Lord have mercy.<br /> Blessings and thanks for always being a great commentator</p> Amen on your conclusion. I am becoming so disgusted with the Dems in Congress, it is nearing the level of contempt I have for the democrats.
It is totally incomprehensible to me. “My heart is breaking” and my mind
is beyond understanding and certainly way beyond any hope of affirming these creeps. How in the world did they get there; because iimpeachment was off the table, because folks like Feinstein and McCain’s wife and Dubya’s family connections are doing just fine with receipts from the endless warmongering. Hooray for Maliki saying we want a timeline and if we don’t get it, we’re not dealing. Still they have dealt with State and others to insure minimal return to Iraq for the oil. As Bill Moyers says, it was always about the oil. I wish to God we had a Supreme Court that could get the early energy talks info and use that to charge “them all” with war crimes, including the oil companies. Lord have mercy.
Blessings and thanks for always being a great commentator

]]> By: bgrothus http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533337 bgrothus Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:10:23 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533337 <p><strong>This</strong> is from the NYT on BO re: Fisa??? “. . .supported a proposed wiretap law that he once promised to oppose. . .”</p> <p>Thanks NYT for that bunch of words.</p> This is from the NYT on BO re: Fisa??? “. . .supported a proposed wiretap law that he once promised to oppose. . .”

Thanks NYT for that bunch of words.

]]> By: oregondave http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533336 oregondave Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:03:36 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533336 <p>I wake up this morning to read about Obama getting it wrong about his getting it wrong:</p> <p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/us/politics/09campaign.html?th&emc=th" rel="nofollow">Obama Says His Critics Haven’t Been Listening</a></p> <p>What an insult! But, I suppose that’s why the telecoms are doing the listening for us — so we don’t have to.</p> I wake up this morning to read about Obama getting it wrong about his getting it wrong:

Obama Says His Critics Haven’t Been Listening

What an insult! But, I suppose that’s why the telecoms are doing the listening for us — so we don’t have to.

]]> By: Peterr http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533335 Peterr Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:03:24 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533335 <p>Doubleliveblogging? </p> <p>Now <em>that’s</em> impressive.</p> Doubleliveblogging?

Now that’s impressive.

]]> By: JimWhite http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533334 JimWhite Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:02:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533334 <p>Oops, Scarecrow, switch those arms to the other sides. FISA is on CSPAN2 and the Mukasey hearing will be on 3.</p> Oops, Scarecrow, switch those arms to the other sides. FISA is on CSPAN2 and the Mukasey hearing will be on 3.

]]> By: Scarecrow http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533333 Scarecrow Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:59:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/the-fisa-travesty-is-congress-shame/#comment-1533333 <p>Marcy is live blogging both the Mukasey hearing (CSPAN 2) and the FISA debate (later on CSPN 3)</p> Marcy is live blogging both the Mukasey hearing (CSPAN 2) and the FISA debate (later on CSPN 3)

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