Comments on: Bye-Bye Fourth Amendment, It’s Been Swell…

By: dstrong

dstrong — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:59:40 +0000

I appreciate all of the hope you are relaying to all of us. I am really angry at the leadership of the Democrats for allowing this vote to come to the floor and for so many voting for it. Obama’s explanation that this brings the FISA court back into the process just points out the fact Bush “broke the law”. And how is this law going to accomplish what the initial law could not. You’d have to make a great leap of faith to think this President is suddenly going to recognize the limits of his office or expect him to follow any law. Better watch out for signing statements with this law. What the Democrats did was become lawbreakers with this President.

By: dstrong

dstrong — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:57:33 +0000

I appreciate all of the hope you are relaying to all of us. I am really angry at the leadership of the Democrats for allowing this vote to come to the floor and for so many voting for it. Obama’s explanation that this brings the FISA court back into the process just points out the fact Bush broke the law. And how is this law going to accomplish waht the initial law could not. You’d have to make a great leap of faith to think this President is suddenly going to recognize the limits of his office or expect him to follow any law. Better watch out for signing statements with this law.

By: gharlane

gharlane — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:25:12 +0000

Any (substantive) difference between

(1) the ActBlue FISA page

and

(2) the AccountabilityNow page?

I’ve already contributed to (1) (weeks ago), and have signed up for the moneybomb, which goes to (2) afaik.

Other than on general principles, is there a reason I ought to contribute to (2) sooner than August 8? Or should I save up my cash for the moneybomb? Seems like the latter might make a bigger splash.

Info appreciated.

By: worldwidehappiness

worldwidehappiness — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:57:22 +0000

Jane Hamsher wrote: “Barack Obama and others will be great on this stuff when there is a reason for them to be great — when the public comes together in a meaningful way and provides the political climate where it becomes the wise thing to do.”

With a president at 28%, an opposition party on the floor, and a global environmental crisis, THIS was the year to do it!

Obama has this election served to him on a plate, yet he still cowers on something as fundamental as the constitution and basic law!

By: Cujo359

Cujo359 — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:34:26 +0000

Done, done, done, and done, plus this. The ACLU is putting together an ad in a major newspaper. They’re looking for people willing to be signatories to it. Click to go there if you’re of the mind.

By: newspaperbrat

newspaperbrat — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:36:31 +0000

FOFLMAO!

((((((((neurophius))))))))

By: ThingsComeUndone

ThingsComeUndone — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:24:35 +0000

What part of endowed by his Creator with certain unalienable rights do Bush and Obama don’t quite seem to understand? Bush and Obama want to bring God into the bedroom by restricting abortion but they don’t want God on the phone?

By: JimC

JimC — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:23:59 +0000

Obama has said that he would have voted against the 2002 Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF). Given his cowardly performance in the FISA vote today, does anyone really believe that anymore? He sought cover under cosmetic amendments, and then voted to eviscerate our civil liberties. That is the essence of triangulation. This was a much easier and clearer vote than the AUMF. It was a no-brainer for a Constitutional lawyer, and he still did not have the back-bone to oppose this unconstitutional Bill that has no support among his real constituents. He would have done the same thing in the 2002 AUMF vote. He would have triangulated, and then voted with the herd.

You now know all that you need to know about Obama. He does not have the back-bone or the courage to stand up for fundamental principles. That is his essence and it will never change. That is Obama.

By: ThingsComeUndone

ThingsComeUndone — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:05:48 +0000

Sorry real late to the party “We hold these truths to be self evident that man has been endowed by his Creator with certain unalienable rights the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” ( Hope I got the quote right off the top of my head)
My pursuit of happiness is really angry when I can’t phone or leave comments without the Government listening in.
I am not an enemy of America my phone should not be listened too, unless George Bush is America.
We gave up the Divine Right of Kings when we left England. I see no reason why we should bring back all the evils of having a king for an idiot reincarnation of the Emperor Nero.

By: cando

cando — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:53:42 +0000

You’re right that it will take long-time, ongoing organizing to have an impact. We must keep going.