Today's FISA vote was not a surprise. We've been fighting this battle for a long time, and will continue to fight it. But I hope it abolished once and for all the idea that our leaders are going to "lead" on this issue without encouragement to do so. Barack Obama and others will be great on this stuff when there is a reason for them to be great -- when the public comes together in a meaningful way and provides the political climate where it becomes the wise thing to do.
We're not there yet.
To make it happen, we need to reward those who were with us. We need to punish those who stood against us. We need to recruit and support primary challengers, and help those people with the tools they need to run winning races that don't rely on being in the good graces of the political establishment.
Wired has an article today about what we've been doing so far on the FISA front, but here's a quick rundown:
- Television, radio and newspaper ads against Chris Carney in Pennsylvania
- Robocalls and an ad in the Washington Post against Steny Hoyer
- Patch-through calls to Senate Offices and an online Citizen Whip Count
- Online organized meet-ups to visit members of Congress over 4th of July holiday
- Full page ad in the Washington Post yesterday, protesting the Senate vote
- Ads in Georgia on behalf of Regina Thomas, opposing John Barrow
We're also planning to make campaign contributions to House and Senate candidates who stood with us.
But we're only getting started. We're joining together with a broad coalition of groups across the political spectrum who fear that the constitution is being shredded in favor of a police state.
What you can do now:
- Donate to AccountabilityNowPAC through ActBlue
- Pledge to return on August 8 when we detonate the money bomb
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Regardless of your political bent -- Democratic, Republican, Libertarian, Independent or none of the above -- we should all be concerned about holding politicians to their oath to uphold the constitution.
As Russ Feingold said today, "Members of this body will regret that we passed this legislation."
Yes they will.
(Barrow, Washington Post and Carney newspaper ads by The Seminal)
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It’s a travesty, Jane!
Don’t vote for any Yellow Cur Democrats. Start with rethinking the convention and nomination…
Hi Jane. Something for those who made an effort. And some sarcasm too.
Yeah, sad day. We knew it as coming, but still.
Bummer.
One foot in front of the other….
Thank you, Jane.
Christy for WV Senate! Rockefeller needs to be seriously punished.
Jane, you always manage to uplift me when I’m low from political shenanigans. THANKS! I’m with you all the way!
Obama’s sell-out is a particular disappointment, and his budding triangulations and lack of basic policy on progressive issues like health care and WAR make my wallet open to AccountabilityNow.
We need to hang bmaz’s awesome phrase “Audacity of Nope” on everything he says and does until he realizes that he’s screwed the pooch in a big way.
Time to put more effort into local elections. Let Obama scratch for a while.
Hey, that money I was gonna give to Obama will now go to Accountability Now!
I tried my dangest on Inouye! Akaka was on board, I’m happy to say… Inouye better retire in 2010… If not, I’ll be actively campaigning for a challenger…
Jane, how do you do this???
HOW on Earth do you do it?
I’ve been just sitting here so discouraged, waiting for the cocktail hour.
I resigned and cancelled and unsubscribed to Obama’s whole movement, and I called his Chitown office and requested my donation money back.
And I am drafting a letter to be sent and/or faxed to all the cavees.
which is a massive project, but what the hell. I’m without a 4th amendment now. i got time.
then here you come with more fight and hope and even PLANS.
you are a wonder.
amazing woman.
thanks, jane.
i’m going to go back and reread this, and dry my eyes and get back into the fray.
my sadness hasn’t morphed into anger yet, I’m at the discouraged stage. or was.
till i read THIS.
wow
Thank you.
and hugz
More like Mendacity of Hope.
OMG. Tweety’s gonna have Tom Delay on, ostensibly to talk about what a disaster *Bush* has been.
Pot meet Kettle journalism - yippee!! (that’s “journalism” with a very small “j”)
P.S. nice to see the Queen of The Beach back ’round here!
I just e-mailed “The Audacity of Nope” (bmaz) to Obama’s contact site. And I’m no loner. Give the guy some luv.
American “journalism” at it’s best. The more things change the more they stay the same. If only Americans would bother reading rather than sit in front of the TEEVEE.
Jo,
Right you are.
I consider it the Day Hope Died.
I never believed he was some great progressive - I was realistic about that. However, when he said he was against this, I had hope he’d take a stand and LEAD on this issue, instead, he caved, made himself a liar, and betrayed this country.
I can only imagine how The Dodd, having endorsed him over this issue, must feel.
Change he can believe in?
How about a roll of quarters sent postage due?
So do Pryor and Lincoln, AR. Landreiu in LA too.
Landreiu and Pryor are up this year. Pryor only has a Green opponent, no GOPer. The Green, Rebekah Kennedy is ten fold better than Pryor on his best day.
and ya know what? i didn’t really keep count, but as it turns out, I had given quite a sizable chunk to obama.
that amount will do well in the money bomb and to Accountibility America, and with a good amount left for Firedoglake.
I really thought he was going to follow through on his chit.
And it ticks me off when I do something, or think something that makes me look stupid.
Obama just did that. I’m finding my “pissed”!!!!
Dear Obama:
Thanks for the hope on the 4th amendment.
The first, I suspect of many disappointments.
Change you can believe in, my ass.
What’s next? 100 years in Iraq?
what criteria is going to be used to determine who stood with us?
Now that Obama has the nomination wrapped up, I anticipate that he will be poking progressives in the eye on other issues to “show” that he not not beholden to the “Left wing” of the party. He does not need progressives anymore.
My best friend who lives in Russelville said she thinks Pryor will win with ease. Are you getting the same sense?
send slugs.
that money is needed elsewhere fighting for our country.
and don’t you guys have to think of the troops????? Talk about DISHONORING them. There they are in sandhole hell, fighting for this country, and our legislators are selling our rights down the black hole of history.
THAT pisses me off!!!! And what exactly did my dad fight in WWII for????
Everything I was born with that isn’t in place now thanks to DEMOCRATS.
Thanks Jane, Christy and FDL! You’ve done great work on FISA!
As for Obama and the Dems. Fuck You!
If only Americans would bother reading rather than sit in front of the TEEVEE.
Ya mean it’s possible to watch teevee without reading at the same time?
huh - never tried that…
Delay is burning my eyes…. I can’t stomach even listening.
slugs or pennies. quarters are worth a couple of gallons of gas, or a prescription co-pay.
yep tw3k.
bout says it all, doesn’t it.
Strolled in, voted yes, and strolled out again.
Someone here live blogged that. i know he was there for the amendments.
but the way coolness of him is now just looking and smelling like flat out arrogance.
DeLay was right about one thing. They are the DemocRAT party.
Is it time to create an ACLU PARTY??
OH.
i NEVER watch him.
he even looks like the devil his own self.
i won’t even participate in anything that includes him.
don’t mean to sound weird, but the dude is just evil.
and WHY ISN’T HE IN JAIL BY NOW???????
re: who stood with us. i figure about 30 dems in the house of representatives. don’t know how to figure the senate though - anyone here have any ideas?
The anti-Barrow ad is terrific. That primary is only a week away, right?
Delay is burning my eyes…. I can’t stomach even listening.
My bicycle just demanded to be taken out of the room.
Sounds like a good idea - I’m going with it. bbl.
Delay said it’s possible we could go to war in Iran before the election.
Doooon’t watch…something is terribly contagious.
Actually, siri, your idea of writing to the cavees dems and republicans, flooding their offices with letters expressing the loss to our country, faxes and phone calls for the next few weeks (along with knowledge up upcoming legislation that We The People stand together on) would be incredibly effective. Right now, their office staff and the critters are thanking their lucky stars that their offices are not getting hammered with calls and mail on FISA tonight.
How about a Drum ROLL Please… (Rule Of Law Leadership)
(BTW My son has a great t-shirt design with this Drum ROLL Please slogan)
Turn our sadness, fatigue and anger into empowerment…Just do not stop. Keep calling and faxing folks…And not just the Dems…
Jane, you are correct…We are a broad political spectrum and we are just getting started…
We HAVE to let them know people are waking up.
I have to say, when the League of Women Voters came on board, I reached an extensive number of conservative neighbors on FISA.
It IS OUR Constitution…
As long as the Democrat Party is “one big tent” standing for little if anything, progressives will always be marginalized. Until their is an actual movement of or even a new party, the likelihood of real progressive change in an ossified country is highly unlikely.
“…when the public comes together in a meaningful way” Jane, I’m having some sincere problems today because I’m not really sure what the hell to do any more. I’m sure there have been thousands of emails and letters and phone calls that have gone to offices down in DC. If that ain’t meaningful, I’m not sure what we as citizens can do. Those a**holes are just not responsive. The only thing I can think of right now is an ad campaign in the major dailies that list every single one of the ‘yes’ votes on FISA and a headline that says, “Remember these names. They are the people who sold out your privacy rights to protect Telecom corporations, George Bush and Dick Cheney. Remember who trashed the Constitution on election day.”
You know another place to donate would be the ACLU, because they are going to continue this fight in the courts. Getting this bill declared unconstitutional would be a victory…just a very delayed one.
The wheels of justice move slowly, if at all, for the well connected. Besides, word on the street has it that there is a move to give him retroactive immunity.
ok
watch him if you must, but dah’lin, try and remember,
he is irrelevant.
he doesn’t know jack. he’s just doing whoever will have him so as to stay in the media’s eye, cause he hasn’t accepted his downfall yet.
and he won’t till he’s behind bars.
get a grip.
Obama was one of 69 senators. Yet, he’s the guy we absolutely need to make our president. Can we lighten up on him for a bit, and attack the other 68 or so morons who voted Yea?
It’s called the DemocratIC party, please.
I’d say the best option for Senators is noting those who voted in favor of all three proposed Amendments and against both Cloture and the final bill. Probably a limited number fitting that description.
We need to pull our money because we need alot of it. Then back candidates who are true progressives to challenge these spineless bastards. It’s going to take time, but I’m thinking slowly but surely we’ll get it done. We can’t stop now. I am disheartened and sad but it makes me want to defeat these traitorous fuckers all the more.
the same thing could be said about mccain.
that is why i’m with you 100% that changing the political/cultural climate is critical.
Why in any sane mind would someone have him on? He is a slimy, evil liar.
They are far from Democratic. More like Oligarchic.
yeah, that’s right and good slogan!!!!!
we should.
if they thought they heard from us THEN, let them see what that’s like NOW that they each and every one crapped out on their oath.
Let em know that maybe that’s ok with them, but WE take their oaths seriously, and we are not turning over any rights no matter what the hell they illegally do.
Again, he’s found an outlet, or a few, to support his denial.
it’s dysfunction to point of insanity.
and why isn’t he in jail yet???????
he needs to be removed from society.
Sen Hatch is telling us we want to kick the protection of the FireDept in the gut. We just do not understand.
Um, we could but he’s the one who wants to be the putative leader of us’ns…and while you’re right there are 68 others, he’s the one who we were looking to for that minor thing… leadership of which there as none.
i wish there was something more than fixed votes to use. that maybe all we have, but first, let’s wait and see if any one has any other ideas.
1,698 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher:
“…when the public comes together in a meaningful way…”
Yes indeed, and there is still time to accomplish this but we hafta confront Obama and the corporatist Democrats in the streets beginning right now and leading all the way to Denver. And don’t tell me that we can’t afford another fascist appointment to the Supreme Court, because it doesn’t matter, we have a fascist majority right now and if we keep Democratic majorities in both houses we can block ALL federal appointees as long as the majorities hold. This is hardball chicken Obama is playin…he believes that progressives will vote for ‘im because we don’t have anywhere else ta go…but if he is convinced he’ll lose the election without us he’ll get religion real quickly.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE’RE GETTIN CALLED OUT, ARE WE GUNNA SHOW UP??!!!
And his wife should be in jail as well; she was taking lots of $$ for travel and her little work in his office ( is what has been reported)
No money to Obama. Funnel it all to the AccountabilityNow PAC. Hoping that on Aug. 8th a one million dollar shot is heard round the world.
I didn’t realize that the other 68 are also going to be the Democratic Presidential nominee this fall.
no.
because he holds more responsibility for what happened today than any of the other senators. that’s why he gets more of the blame.
yeah
there won’t be any “lightening up” on Obama.
HE’S the one who grabbed the spotlight and made all the promises and then just caved like a pelosi.
not to hurt feelers here, Jo Fish, but dude is dead meat bigger than the other dead meats, cause he ASKED to be.
If your’e worried about Obama not being able to stand the heat, maybe he should get out of the kitchen.
Of course, Clinton and the old school AR elites raised 4 million bucks for Mark Lieber-lovin’ Pryor.. allowed no primary opponent from either the D or R party and he has at least 4 million bucks compared to a Green who I would be shocked if she has 40k.
I didn’t want to kill the server when this was happening, but it is entirely confounding that McCaskill is better than the six turkeys who voted against all three immunity amendments. I remember Bayh and Landrieu’s names being called. And these six are probably unreachable by Barack Obama.
Well, to be the leader you first got to WIN, and Obama obviously voted this way for two reasons: to appeal to the center (which is a necessary evil) and to deprive McCain of accusing him of letting America go unprotected. Like I said earlier, if the vote was 48-47 and he cast the deciding vote in favor of immunity, we’d all have plenty of reason to be pissed.
The reality is, he ain’t gonna be everything to every progressive. Better we face that realization now than four months from now.
exactly Norske.
which is why i not only unsubscribed and removed me and wrote quite the letter to comments on his site,
but i asked for my money back.
i wonder if we could do a reverse money bomb on him.
don’t THINK that wouldn’t cause some notice! Obama lied and my support and faith died.
Since the votes were cosmetic, it doesn’t say anything that someone voted for the amendments and against the bill. Personally, I don’t think there were any good guys on this. No Senator went the limit to stop this. No Senator objected to the Unanimous Consent that set this charade up. No good guys that I can see, but quite a few bad ones.
As soon as I get home to me credit card I plan on donating. I will give them as much as I can spare.
How about a Netroots “no money for Barry” day in the next couple of weeks. How does that get organized?
We could call it the “Audacity of Nope” (©bmaz 2008) day… make it a day without income for their website.
He seems to understand the power of the purse far more than anything else, seemingly.
Where the f……..k is the center in America. It’s so far to the right that Democrats in the U.S. would be Tories in the U.k.. If Americans are so easily frightened by claims they are not being protected then that merely speaks volumes to the ignorance of a dumbed down electorate.
I have contacted my representative and two senators before the vote and after the sellout I again contacted them to call them traitors and accessories to the bush 30 felonies according to Turley. Address every one who voted to gut the constitution as Traitor,like my traitor senator Casey. Added to my vigil sign this week ” Only traitors torture.”
1,698 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen CTBob:
“…can we lighten up on him (Obama)for a bit…”
Absolutely NOT!!! Obama had the power to stop the FISA abomination a good while ago, he calculated that we on the progressive side a things would make a lotta noise but couldn’t hurt ‘im so he could bundle up a bunch a telecom money and leverage it on top of his grassroots money machine. We still have time to influence the direction and politics of an Obama Presidency but we hafta be willin’ ta confront ‘im and show ‘im that he can’t win without us…if the activist left caves in and doesn’t crank up the volume it won’t matter who is elected in November.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, HE’S CALLIN’ US OUT, ARE WE GUNNA SHOW UP?
yeah
which is the most discouraging fact in all of this.
NO ONE stepped up to the plate and pulled strings or filibustered or WHATEVER.
I’m not versed in parlamentary procedure, but knowing the Framers as I do, SOMEONE could have done the stellar thing, done SOMETHING. and no one did.
no one.
not ONE.
bob - it’s not at all obvious to me.
1. appeal to the center of what? deecee?
2. deprive mccain of a talking point? by giving him another one: dems don’t stand for anything and that’s what makes them weak.
sorry but i just don’t buy either of those explanations.
Interesting…since February 2001 George Bush and the telecoms have been spying on Americans without warrants and haven’t been held accountable, so what is different today? Not much. Obama & Johnny McTeleprompter will have to abide by the new rules when one of them gets in. At this rate, it’s going to be Johnny McTeleprompter! Oh hallelujah!
Also, if Obama gets in the White House come January 2009….we can bet our sweet bippys the Democrats in the House & Senate with their wide majority of control will impeach Obama within 6 months over something stupid anyways, because Democrats attack and go after their own, while giving the repubics a free ride. See? We’ll win! Spit.
Seemingly he’s not much to any progressive.
I don’t believe he needs to sell out the left-wing of the party to win. I just can’t get behind that sentiment.
Delay is a fuckin criminal. He pretended that he wanted to rush his trial. What happened to that?
Is there really some center that is eager to be spied on? Is there really a center anymore at all?
Nonsense…the center is with the 60+% that oppose both FISA and the war in Iraq…what we are seein’ is the result of “money equals speech” on the floor of Congress.
i’ll say again - i do think there were about 30 in the house of representatives: those that voted against h.r.6304 and did not vote for the 21 day paa extension in feb. throw in Donna Edwards and Jackie Speier too.
imo, rush holt was very, very good - maybe the best we have in congress on this particular issue.
What would you have had Dodd and Feingold do differently? Douse themselves in gas and immolate themselves on the Senate floor?
I’m purely guessing but I’d say they fought this every which way they could both in public and behind the scenes.
The Senate rules no longer allow for the “traditional” filibuster that we all know and love from Mr Smith Goes To Washington or that we remember from civil rights days.
What would you have them do differently?
Why not target Susan Collins, Norm Coleman, Ted Stevens, and Gordon Smith — vulnerable Republicans all in not very expensive or downright cheap states (excepting maybe Minnesota) — for voting in lockstep with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney this fall? We know that Tom Allen, Al Franken, Jeff Merkley, and Mark Begich would be in the light on this issue, and we can seriously begin to hurt those that sold us all down the river.
I would like to see us active THIS cycle in the Senate, and then, on November 5, begin to plan primary challenges for all of the Democratic leadership in the House and Harry Reid in 2010.
My $.02.
I have done the same…and you are EXACTLY right…we must money bomb MoveOn and all those groups who plege to fight Obama on all of these rightwing cave-ins.
I wonder if it would have been more effective to run packet captures against all 69 senators for two weeks and publish everything that went in and out of their computers/networks, with the disclaimer that “this is what the government can see … how do you like them apples, Senators?”
Privacy, much? Not any more.
Top four recipients of telco money this year:
1 McCain, John (R) Senate $365,955
2 Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) Senate $246,747
3 Obama, Barack (D) Senate $220,789
4 Rockefeller, Jay (D-WV) Senate $51,500
From http://opensecrets.org/industr.....38;ind=B08
Any questions?
I’ll repeat what I said to Adie earlier: If it takes the rest of my life… Never. Give. Up.
We may have come out of this beaten and scarred, but we’re alive. And dangerous. Just think cornered Bengal tiger.
Technically you are right about “money equals speech” but the perceived “center” as defined by the corporate media and the Republican Party is way right of center.
senator reid: blah, blah, unanimous consent blah, blah
dodd/feingold/someone: “I OBJECT!”
(hope you’re still around to see this)
Ever given any thought to BEING that challenger?
I guess it’s best to let everybody get their anger and frustration out, rather than try to reason with them. I apologize for getting anyone upset with my comments.
I know there will have to be a period of mourning for the dead attempt to defeat this awful fucking immunity; trust me, I’m as pissed off about this as anyone. I just wrote a long blog article explaining my feelings.
But tomorrow, and next week, and next month, and in November, we’ll all wake up in a nation that will STILL be much more at risk if we end up with John McCain in the Oval Office than Barack Obama.
All because of 9/11.
None.
But I still agree with CTBob, we cannot allow McCane to take the WH.
yes, and OK bob. i really respect your thoughts and posts here at the lake.
HOWEVER,
I didn’t think for one second he’d be everything I wanted. But I DID think and expect of him to STAND FOR THE CONSTITUTION.
A dear fellow pup, sorry bout the lack of name/memory, said it best today:
Obama is now a party to the Great Bu$hCo coverup. he aided and abetted after the fact. He’s enabling the whole Bu$h cabal, he’s complicit now in the cover up.
And he contributed to actual damage to the Constitution, MY Bill of Rights.
That’s just unforgivable. It’s not a little side issue that I don’t happen to agree with him on.
IT’S THE 4TH FRIGGIN AMENDMENT!!!! It’s damage. It changed everything and so much more.
Part of my discouragement, my disillusionment, and part of my total grief experience with today’s vote is the thought of Bu$h and all of the pigs sitting around toasting and relaxing and celebrating again, tonight, and part of it is the realization that there isn’t going to be any accountability for these criminals. NONE. No war crimes trials, no inquests, no The Hague, not one of the thugs ever having to hire out to buy their way out of the last 7 1/2 years.
sorry to be overposting.
it’s the gin.
Congress begins shredding the Constitution. The terrorists have won.
Yeah! CTuttle in da Congress!
They could have begun by objecting to the Unanimous Consent. Indeed they could have objected to all unanimous consent agreements. They could have done quorum calls every 15 minutes. They could have stopped the Senate cold.
I just sent this to the info address at Accountability Now, but here it is again:
I’m a US citizen living in Canada who remains engaged in politics in my
home country, is disgusted with the assault on the Constitution,
agitates among family and friends, votes, and regularly donates to
candidates and causes via actblue.com.
I am totally on board with Accountability Now and I want to be part of
the August 8th money bomb*. Unfortunately, your form does not allow for
citizens living abroad to pledge. The way Act Blue handles it, when a
person donates, she fills out a form indicating that she is a citizen,
and thus eligible. Can you implement something similar? I really want to
be part of this, and I’m sure I’m not the only one.
Thanks for all that you’re doing.
-me
* In fact, the first political memory I have is of watching Nixon resign.
My extended family was staying in a cabin in the woods and Uncle Eddy,
to great derision, had brought a small TV along. He plugged it in at the
concession stand and the adults and my 9-year-old self watched Nixon’s
speech.
i KNOW, selise. you are right.
still, no one stopped this.
some were very very good.
but none were effective.
now, why is that???????
there’s so much more to this than we know, and now, we’ll NEVER know it all.
And we were BORN WITH THE RIGHT to know these things.
Open government. We just got ripped off BIG.
Respectfully, selise. i’m a fan of you, you are so smart, but my words are just true.
No questions. That about says it all. And come the fall elections, any candidate who speaks out against the decimation of 4th Amendment rights will get told, “Well, Obama voted to decimate those rights.” So much for a unified Democratic Party. He ‘traited’ the party……that’s just what he did.
hey bob - what did i do to deserve a comment that says it’s best not to try to reason with me (and a bunch of other people here). if my position is not rational - call me on it. but don’t tell me you can’t reason with me when that’s all i’ve tried to do.
haven’t had a problem with anything you’ve written up till now - but that was neither fair nor helpful.
And yet Clinton voted to remove immunity from the bill. And McCain didn’t even show up to vote.
If McCain really intended to hammer Obama on a “no” vote on this FISA change bill, you’d think he’d have shown up to vote.
We did all the work and now we are rewarded with the privilege to keep going.
This isn’t over until WE say it’s over.
Here is my post on the subject (link)
Amazingly I had almost the same headline as Jane. Great minds and all that.
Also Athenae at First Draft has a nice Fight, fight, fight, fight WIN post up. We can’t lose heart, folks. I’d been pushing back against right-wing talk radio for years until I had a big win. This stuff is hard, it takes time and we are battling millions of dollars and lots of fear. 40 years of right wing blather and push back on the DFHs who wanted the status quo to change and scared the right wing so bad that they spent billions on think tanks money losers all. They have beaten up the media and created their own laws. They can buy the “experts” but they can’t buy the truth.
From this day forward WE, and those who stood up for the constitution, are the descendants of the founders.
Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, Adams, are on OUR side because we are on theirs. Any time we see any politician quote from the founders who did NOT vote for the Constitution we need to ask them “Would the founders have approved of your destruction of the 4th Amendment?” Answer No. So stop quoting them in your ads like they are approving of you.
If we let Obama get away with this, we are going to let him get away with anything. This isn’t just anger, frustration, mourning. What are you going to bring up next PMS? This is about core values and cold hard politics.
Feingold will have a special comment on KO.
Peace voter guide from Coalition for Peace Action helped him win. It defines differences among candidates with regard to MIC and is seen in news paper ads ,non-political peace now approach.
yes. i do think you are right wrt the senate. there the rules do make it possible for a determined few to block a bill for a very long time if they really want to. but in the house, i don’t know what more could have been done (by holt et al).
Yeah, Russ is on with Rachel…! ;-)