Today's FISA vote was not a surprise. We've been fighting this battle for a long time, and will continue to fight it. But I hope it abolished once and for all the idea that our leaders are going to "lead" on this issue without encouragement to do so. Barack Obama and others will be great on this stuff when there is a reason for them to be great -- when the public comes together in a meaningful way and provides the political climate where it becomes the wise thing to do.
We're not there yet.
To make it happen, we need to reward those who were with us. We need to punish those who stood against us. We need to recruit and support primary challengers, and help those people with the tools they need to run winning races that don't rely on being in the good graces of the political establishment.
Wired has an article today about what we've been doing so far on the FISA front, but here's a quick rundown:
- Television, radio and newspaper ads against Chris Carney in Pennsylvania
- Robocalls and an ad in the Washington Post against Steny Hoyer
- Patch-through calls to Senate Offices and an online Citizen Whip Count
- Online organized meet-ups to visit members of Congress over 4th of July holiday
- Full page ad in the Washington Post yesterday, protesting the Senate vote
- Ads in Georgia on behalf of Regina Thomas, opposing John Barrow
We're also planning to make campaign contributions to House and Senate candidates who stood with us.
But we're only getting started. We're joining together with a broad coalition of groups across the political spectrum who fear that the constitution is being shredded in favor of a police state.
What you can do now:
- Donate to AccountabilityNowPAC through ActBlue
- Pledge to return on August 8 when we detonate the money bomb
- Sign on to have your blog or website listed on the sponsor page
- Spread the word by placing one of these delightful logos on your web page
Regardless of your political bent -- Democratic, Republican, Libertarian, Independent or none of the above -- we should all be concerned about holding politicians to their oath to uphold the constitution.
As Russ Feingold said today, "Members of this body will regret that we passed this legislation."
Yes they will.
(Barrow, Washington Post and Carney newspaper ads by The Seminal)
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It’s a travesty, Jane!
Don’t vote for any Yellow Cur Democrats. Start with rethinking the convention and nomination…
Hi Jane. Something for those who made an effort. And some sarcasm too.
Yeah, sad day. We knew it as coming, but still.
Bummer.
One foot in front of the other….
Thank you, Jane.
Christy for WV Senate! Rockefeller needs to be seriously punished.
Jane, you always manage to uplift me when I’m low from political shenanigans. THANKS! I’m with you all the way!
Obama’s sell-out is a particular disappointment, and his budding triangulations and lack of basic policy on progressive issues like health care and WAR make my wallet open to AccountabilityNow.
We need to hang bmaz’s awesome phrase “Audacity of Nope” on everything he says and does until he realizes that he’s screwed the pooch in a big way.
Time to put more effort into local elections. Let Obama scratch for a while.
Hey, that money I was gonna give to Obama will now go to Accountability Now!
I tried my dangest on Inouye! Akaka was on board, I’m happy to say… Inouye better retire in 2010… If not, I’ll be actively campaigning for a challenger…
Jane, how do you do this???
HOW on Earth do you do it?
I’ve been just sitting here so discouraged, waiting for the cocktail hour.
I resigned and cancelled and unsubscribed to Obama’s whole movement, and I called his Chitown office and requested my donation money back.
And I am drafting a letter to be sent and/or faxed to all the cavees.
which is a massive project, but what the hell. I’m without a 4th amendment now. i got time.
then here you come with more fight and hope and even PLANS.
you are a wonder.
amazing woman.
thanks, jane.
i’m going to go back and reread this, and dry my eyes and get back into the fray.
my sadness hasn’t morphed into anger yet, I’m at the discouraged stage. or was.
till i read THIS.
wow
Thank you.
and hugz
More like Mendacity of Hope.
OMG. Tweety’s gonna have Tom Delay on, ostensibly to talk about what a disaster *Bush* has been.
Pot meet Kettle journalism - yippee!! (that’s “journalism” with a very small “j”)
P.S. nice to see the Queen of The Beach back ’round here!
I just e-mailed “The Audacity of Nope” (bmaz) to Obama’s contact site. And I’m no loner. Give the guy some luv.
American “journalism” at it’s best. The more things change the more they stay the same. If only Americans would bother reading rather than sit in front of the TEEVEE.
Jo,
Right you are.
I consider it the Day Hope Died.
I never believed he was some great progressive - I was realistic about that. However, when he said he was against this, I had hope he’d take a stand and LEAD on this issue, instead, he caved, made himself a liar, and betrayed this country.
I can only imagine how The Dodd, having endorsed him over this issue, must feel.
Change he can believe in?
How about a roll of quarters sent postage due?
So do Pryor and Lincoln, AR. Landreiu in LA too.
Landreiu and Pryor are up this year. Pryor only has a Green opponent, no GOPer. The Green, Rebekah Kennedy is ten fold better than Pryor on his best day.
and ya know what? i didn’t really keep count, but as it turns out, I had given quite a sizable chunk to obama.
that amount will do well in the money bomb and to Accountibility America, and with a good amount left for Firedoglake.
I really thought he was going to follow through on his chit.
And it ticks me off when I do something, or think something that makes me look stupid.
Obama just did that. I’m finding my “pissed”!!!!
Dear Obama:
Thanks for the hope on the 4th amendment.
The first, I suspect of many disappointments.
Change you can believe in, my ass.
What’s next? 100 years in Iraq?
what criteria is going to be used to determine who stood with us?
Now that Obama has the nomination wrapped up, I anticipate that he will be poking progressives in the eye on other issues to “show” that he not not beholden to the “Left wing” of the party. He does not need progressives anymore.
My best friend who lives in Russelville said she thinks Pryor will win with ease. Are you getting the same sense?
send slugs.
that money is needed elsewhere fighting for our country.
and don’t you guys have to think of the troops????? Talk about DISHONORING them. There they are in sandhole hell, fighting for this country, and our legislators are selling our rights down the black hole of history.
THAT pisses me off!!!! And what exactly did my dad fight in WWII for????
Everything I was born with that isn’t in place now thanks to DEMOCRATS.
Thanks Jane, Christy and FDL! You’ve done great work on FISA!
As for Obama and the Dems. Fuck You!
If only Americans would bother reading rather than sit in front of the TEEVEE.
Ya mean it’s possible to watch teevee without reading at the same time?
huh - never tried that…
Delay is burning my eyes…. I can’t stomach even listening.
slugs or pennies. quarters are worth a couple of gallons of gas, or a prescription co-pay.
yep tw3k.
bout says it all, doesn’t it.
Strolled in, voted yes, and strolled out again.
Someone here live blogged that. i know he was there for the amendments.
but the way coolness of him is now just looking and smelling like flat out arrogance.
DeLay was right about one thing. They are the DemocRAT party.
Is it time to create an ACLU PARTY??
OH.
i NEVER watch him.
he even looks like the devil his own self.
i won’t even participate in anything that includes him.
don’t mean to sound weird, but the dude is just evil.
and WHY ISN’T HE IN JAIL BY NOW???????
re: who stood with us. i figure about 30 dems in the house of representatives. don’t know how to figure the senate though - anyone here have any ideas?
The anti-Barrow ad is terrific. That primary is only a week away, right?
Delay is burning my eyes…. I can’t stomach even listening.
My bicycle just demanded to be taken out of the room.
Sounds like a good idea - I’m going with it. bbl.
Delay said it’s possible we could go to war in Iran before the election.
Doooon’t watch…something is terribly contagious.
Actually, siri, your idea of writing to the cavees dems and republicans, flooding their offices with letters expressing the loss to our country, faxes and phone calls for the next few weeks (along with knowledge up upcoming legislation that We The People stand together on) would be incredibly effective. Right now, their office staff and the critters are thanking their lucky stars that their offices are not getting hammered with calls and mail on FISA tonight.
How about a Drum ROLL Please… (Rule Of Law Leadership)
(BTW My son has a great t-shirt design with this Drum ROLL Please slogan)
Turn our sadness, fatigue and anger into empowerment…Just do not stop. Keep calling and faxing folks…And not just the Dems…
Jane, you are correct…We are a broad political spectrum and we are just getting started…
We HAVE to let them know people are waking up.
I have to say, when the League of Women Voters came on board, I reached an extensive number of conservative neighbors on FISA.
It IS OUR Constitution…
As long as the Democrat Party is “one big tent” standing for little if anything, progressives will always be marginalized. Until their is an actual movement of or even a new party, the likelihood of real progressive change in an ossified country is highly unlikely.
“…when the public comes together in a meaningful way” Jane, I’m having some sincere problems today because I’m not really sure what the hell to do any more. I’m sure there have been thousands of emails and letters and phone calls that have gone to offices down in DC. If that ain’t meaningful, I’m not sure what we as citizens can do. Those a**holes are just not responsive. The only thing I can think of right now is an ad campaign in the major dailies that list every single one of the ‘yes’ votes on FISA and a headline that says, “Remember these names. They are the people who sold out your privacy rights to protect Telecom corporations, George Bush and Dick Cheney. Remember who trashed the Constitution on election day.”
You know another place to donate would be the ACLU, because they are going to continue this fight in the courts. Getting this bill declared unconstitutional would be a victory…just a very delayed one.
The wheels of justice move slowly, if at all, for the well connected. Besides, word on the street has it that there is a move to give him retroactive immunity.
ok
watch him if you must, but dah’lin, try and remember,
he is irrelevant.
he doesn’t know jack. he’s just doing whoever will have him so as to stay in the media’s eye, cause he hasn’t accepted his downfall yet.
and he won’t till he’s behind bars.
get a grip.
Obama was one of 69 senators. Yet, he’s the guy we absolutely need to make our president. Can we lighten up on him for a bit, and attack the other 68 or so morons who voted Yea?
It’s called the DemocratIC party, please.
I’d say the best option for Senators is noting those who voted in favor of all three proposed Amendments and against both Cloture and the final bill. Probably a limited number fitting that description.
We need to pull our money because we need alot of it. Then back candidates who are true progressives to challenge these spineless bastards. It’s going to take time, but I’m thinking slowly but surely we’ll get it done. We can’t stop now. I am disheartened and sad but it makes me want to defeat these traitorous fuckers all the more.
the same thing could be said about mccain.
that is why i’m with you 100% that changing the political/cultural climate is critical.
Why in any sane mind would someone have him on? He is a slimy, evil liar.
They are far from Democratic. More like Oligarchic.
yeah, that’s right and good slogan!!!!!
we should.
if they thought they heard from us THEN, let them see what that’s like NOW that they each and every one crapped out on their oath.
Let em know that maybe that’s ok with them, but WE take their oaths seriously, and we are not turning over any rights no matter what the hell they illegally do.
Again, he’s found an outlet, or a few, to support his denial.
it’s dysfunction to point of insanity.
and why isn’t he in jail yet???????
he needs to be removed from society.
Sen Hatch is telling us we want to kick the protection of the FireDept in the gut. We just do not understand.
Um, we could but he’s the one who wants to be the putative leader of us’ns…and while you’re right there are 68 others, he’s the one who we were looking to for that minor thing… leadership of which there as none.
i wish there was something more than fixed votes to use. that maybe all we have, but first, let’s wait and see if any one has any other ideas.
1,698 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher:
“…when the public comes together in a meaningful way…”
Yes indeed, and there is still time to accomplish this but we hafta confront Obama and the corporatist Democrats in the streets beginning right now and leading all the way to Denver. And don’t tell me that we can’t afford another fascist appointment to the Supreme Court, because it doesn’t matter, we have a fascist majority right now and if we keep Democratic majorities in both houses we can block ALL federal appointees as long as the majorities hold. This is hardball chicken Obama is playin…he believes that progressives will vote for ‘im because we don’t have anywhere else ta go…but if he is convinced he’ll lose the election without us he’ll get religion real quickly.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE’RE GETTIN CALLED OUT, ARE WE GUNNA SHOW UP??!!!
And his wife should be in jail as well; she was taking lots of $$ for travel and her little work in his office ( is what has been reported)
No money to Obama. Funnel it all to the AccountabilityNow PAC. Hoping that on Aug. 8th a one million dollar shot is heard round the world.
I didn’t realize that the other 68 are also going to be the Democratic Presidential nominee this fall.
no.
because he holds more responsibility for what happened today than any of the other senators. that’s why he gets more of the blame.
yeah
there won’t be any “lightening up” on Obama.
HE’S the one who grabbed the spotlight and made all the promises and then just caved like a pelosi.
not to hurt feelers here, Jo Fish, but dude is dead meat bigger than the other dead meats, cause he ASKED to be.
If your’e worried about Obama not being able to stand the heat, maybe he should get out of the kitchen.
Of course, Clinton and the old school AR elites raised 4 million bucks for Mark Lieber-lovin’ Pryor.. allowed no primary opponent from either the D or R party and he has at least 4 million bucks compared to a Green who I would be shocked if she has 40k.
I didn’t want to kill the server when this was happening, but it is entirely confounding that McCaskill is better than the six turkeys who voted against all three immunity amendments. I remember Bayh and Landrieu’s names being called. And these six are probably unreachable by Barack Obama.
Well, to be the leader you first got to WIN, and Obama obviously voted this way for two reasons: to appeal to the center (which is a necessary evil) and to deprive McCain of accusing him of letting America go unprotected. Like I said earlier, if the vote was 48-47 and he cast the deciding vote in favor of immunity, we’d all have plenty of reason to be pissed.
The reality is, he ain’t gonna be everything to every progressive. Better we face that realization now than four months from now.
exactly Norske.
which is why i not only unsubscribed and removed me and wrote quite the letter to comments on his site,
but i asked for my money back.
i wonder if we could do a reverse money bomb on him.
don’t THINK that wouldn’t cause some notice! Obama lied and my support and faith died.
Since the votes were cosmetic, it doesn’t say anything that someone voted for the amendments and against the bill. Personally, I don’t think there were any good guys on this. No Senator went the limit to stop this. No Senator objected to the Unanimous Consent that set this charade up. No good guys that I can see, but quite a few bad ones.
As soon as I get home to me credit card I plan on donating. I will give them as much as I can spare.
How about a Netroots “no money for Barry” day in the next couple of weeks. How does that get organized?
We could call it the “Audacity of Nope” (©bmaz 2008) day… make it a day without income for their website.
He seems to understand the power of the purse far more than anything else, seemingly.
Where the f……..k is the center in America. It’s so far to the right that Democrats in the U.S. would be Tories in the U.k.. If Americans are so easily frightened by claims they are not being protected then that merely speaks volumes to the ignorance of a dumbed down electorate.
I have contacted my representative and two senators before the vote and after the sellout I again contacted them to call them traitors and accessories to the bush 30 felonies according to Turley. Address every one who voted to gut the constitution as Traitor,like my traitor senator Casey. Added to my vigil sign this week ” Only traitors torture.”
1,698 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen CTBob:
“…can we lighten up on him (Obama)for a bit…”
Absolutely NOT!!! Obama had the power to stop the FISA abomination a good while ago, he calculated that we on the progressive side a things would make a lotta noise but couldn’t hurt ‘im so he could bundle up a bunch a telecom money and leverage it on top of his grassroots money machine. We still have time to influence the direction and politics of an Obama Presidency but we hafta be willin’ ta confront ‘im and show ‘im that he can’t win without us…if the activist left caves in and doesn’t crank up the volume it won’t matter who is elected in November.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, HE’S CALLIN’ US OUT, ARE WE GUNNA SHOW UP?
yeah
which is the most discouraging fact in all of this.
NO ONE stepped up to the plate and pulled strings or filibustered or WHATEVER.
I’m not versed in parlamentary procedure, but knowing the Framers as I do, SOMEONE could have done the stellar thing, done SOMETHING. and no one did.
no one.
not ONE.
bob - it’s not at all obvious to me.
1. appeal to the center of what? deecee?
2. deprive mccain of a talking point? by giving him another one: dems don’t stand for anything and that’s what makes them weak.
sorry but i just don’t buy either of those explanations.
Interesting…since February 2001 George Bush and the telecoms have been spying on Americans without warrants and haven’t been held accountable, so what is different today? Not much. Obama & Johnny McTeleprompter will have to abide by the new rules when one of them gets in. At this rate, it’s going to be Johnny McTeleprompter! Oh hallelujah!
Also, if Obama gets in the White House come January 2009….we can bet our sweet bippys the Democrats in the House & Senate with their wide majority of control will impeach Obama within 6 months over something stupid anyways, because Democrats attack and go after their own, while giving the repubics a free ride. See? We’ll win! Spit.
Seemingly he’s not much to any progressive.
I don’t believe he needs to sell out the left-wing of the party to win. I just can’t get behind that sentiment.
Delay is a fuckin criminal. He pretended that he wanted to rush his trial. What happened to that?
Is there really some center that is eager to be spied on? Is there really a center anymore at all?
Nonsense…the center is with the 60+% that oppose both FISA and the war in Iraq…what we are seein’ is the result of “money equals speech” on the floor of Congress.
i’ll say again - i do think there were about 30 in the house of representatives: those that voted against h.r.6304 and did not vote for the 21 day paa extension in feb. throw in Donna Edwards and Jackie Speier too.
imo, rush holt was very, very good - maybe the best we have in congress on this particular issue.
What would you have had Dodd and Feingold do differently? Douse themselves in gas and immolate themselves on the Senate floor?
I’m purely guessing but I’d say they fought this every which way they could both in public and behind the scenes.
The Senate rules no longer allow for the “traditional” filibuster that we all know and love from Mr Smith Goes To Washington or that we remember from civil rights days.
What would you have them do differently?
Why not target Susan Collins, Norm Coleman, Ted Stevens, and Gordon Smith — vulnerable Republicans all in not very expensive or downright cheap states (excepting maybe Minnesota) — for voting in lockstep with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney this fall? We know that Tom Allen, Al Franken, Jeff Merkley, and Mark Begich would be in the light on this issue, and we can seriously begin to hurt those that sold us all down the river.
I would like to see us active THIS cycle in the Senate, and then, on November 5, begin to plan primary challenges for all of the Democratic leadership in the House and Harry Reid in 2010.
My $.02.
I have done the same…and you are EXACTLY right…we must money bomb MoveOn and all those groups who plege to fight Obama on all of these rightwing cave-ins.
I wonder if it would have been more effective to run packet captures against all 69 senators for two weeks and publish everything that went in and out of their computers/networks, with the disclaimer that “this is what the government can see … how do you like them apples, Senators?”
Privacy, much? Not any more.
Top four recipients of telco money this year:
1 McCain, John (R) Senate $365,955
2 Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) Senate $246,747
3 Obama, Barack (D) Senate $220,789
4 Rockefeller, Jay (D-WV) Senate $51,500
From http://opensecrets.org/industr.....38;ind=B08
Any questions?
I’ll repeat what I said to Adie earlier: If it takes the rest of my life… Never. Give. Up.
We may have come out of this beaten and scarred, but we’re alive. And dangerous. Just think cornered Bengal tiger.
Technically you are right about “money equals speech” but the perceived “center” as defined by the corporate media and the Republican Party is way right of center.
senator reid: blah, blah, unanimous consent blah, blah
dodd/feingold/someone: “I OBJECT!”
(hope you’re still around to see this)
Ever given any thought to BEING that challenger?
I guess it’s best to let everybody get their anger and frustration out, rather than try to reason with them. I apologize for getting anyone upset with my comments.
I know there will have to be a period of mourning for the dead attempt to defeat this awful fucking immunity; trust me, I’m as pissed off about this as anyone. I just wrote a long blog article explaining my feelings.
But tomorrow, and next week, and next month, and in November, we’ll all wake up in a nation that will STILL be much more at risk if we end up with John McCain in the Oval Office than Barack Obama.
All because of 9/11.
None.
But I still agree with CTBob, we cannot allow McCane to take the WH.
yes, and OK bob. i really respect your thoughts and posts here at the lake.
HOWEVER,
I didn’t think for one second he’d be everything I wanted. But I DID think and expect of him to STAND FOR THE CONSTITUTION.
A dear fellow pup, sorry bout the lack of name/memory, said it best today:
Obama is now a party to the Great Bu$hCo coverup. he aided and abetted after the fact. He’s enabling the whole Bu$h cabal, he’s complicit now in the cover up.
And he contributed to actual damage to the Constitution, MY Bill of Rights.
That’s just unforgivable. It’s not a little side issue that I don’t happen to agree with him on.
IT’S THE 4TH FRIGGIN AMENDMENT!!!! It’s damage. It changed everything and so much more.
Part of my discouragement, my disillusionment, and part of my total grief experience with today’s vote is the thought of Bu$h and all of the pigs sitting around toasting and relaxing and celebrating again, tonight, and part of it is the realization that there isn’t going to be any accountability for these criminals. NONE. No war crimes trials, no inquests, no The Hague, not one of the thugs ever having to hire out to buy their way out of the last 7 1/2 years.
sorry to be overposting.
it’s the gin.
Congress begins shredding the Constitution. The terrorists have won.
Yeah! CTuttle in da Congress!
They could have begun by objecting to the Unanimous Consent. Indeed they could have objected to all unanimous consent agreements. They could have done quorum calls every 15 minutes. They could have stopped the Senate cold.
I just sent this to the info address at Accountability Now, but here it is again:
I’m a US citizen living in Canada who remains engaged in politics in my
home country, is disgusted with the assault on the Constitution,
agitates among family and friends, votes, and regularly donates to
candidates and causes via actblue.com.
I am totally on board with Accountability Now and I want to be part of
the August 8th money bomb*. Unfortunately, your form does not allow for
citizens living abroad to pledge. The way Act Blue handles it, when a
person donates, she fills out a form indicating that she is a citizen,
and thus eligible. Can you implement something similar? I really want to
be part of this, and I’m sure I’m not the only one.
Thanks for all that you’re doing.
-me
* In fact, the first political memory I have is of watching Nixon resign.
My extended family was staying in a cabin in the woods and Uncle Eddy,
to great derision, had brought a small TV along. He plugged it in at the
concession stand and the adults and my 9-year-old self watched Nixon’s
speech.
i KNOW, selise. you are right.
still, no one stopped this.
some were very very good.
but none were effective.
now, why is that???????
there’s so much more to this than we know, and now, we’ll NEVER know it all.
And we were BORN WITH THE RIGHT to know these things.
Open government. We just got ripped off BIG.
Respectfully, selise. i’m a fan of you, you are so smart, but my words are just true.
No questions. That about says it all. And come the fall elections, any candidate who speaks out against the decimation of 4th Amendment rights will get told, “Well, Obama voted to decimate those rights.” So much for a unified Democratic Party. He ‘traited’ the party……that’s just what he did.
hey bob - what did i do to deserve a comment that says it’s best not to try to reason with me (and a bunch of other people here). if my position is not rational - call me on it. but don’t tell me you can’t reason with me when that’s all i’ve tried to do.
haven’t had a problem with anything you’ve written up till now - but that was neither fair nor helpful.
And yet Clinton voted to remove immunity from the bill. And McCain didn’t even show up to vote.
If McCain really intended to hammer Obama on a “no” vote on this FISA change bill, you’d think he’d have shown up to vote.
We did all the work and now we are rewarded with the privilege to keep going.
This isn’t over until WE say it’s over.
Here is my post on the subject (link)
Amazingly I had almost the same headline as Jane. Great minds and all that.
Also Athenae at First Draft has a nice Fight, fight, fight, fight WIN post up. We can’t lose heart, folks. I’d been pushing back against right-wing talk radio for years until I had a big win. This stuff is hard, it takes time and we are battling millions of dollars and lots of fear. 40 years of right wing blather and push back on the DFHs who wanted the status quo to change and scared the right wing so bad that they spent billions on think tanks money losers all. They have beaten up the media and created their own laws. They can buy the “experts” but they can’t buy the truth.
From this day forward WE, and those who stood up for the constitution, are the descendants of the founders.
Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, Adams, are on OUR side because we are on theirs. Any time we see any politician quote from the founders who did NOT vote for the Constitution we need to ask them “Would the founders have approved of your destruction of the 4th Amendment?” Answer No. So stop quoting them in your ads like they are approving of you.
If we let Obama get away with this, we are going to let him get away with anything. This isn’t just anger, frustration, mourning. What are you going to bring up next PMS? This is about core values and cold hard politics.
Feingold will have a special comment on KO.
Peace voter guide from Coalition for Peace Action helped him win. It defines differences among candidates with regard to MIC and is seen in news paper ads ,non-political peace now approach.
yes. i do think you are right wrt the senate. there the rules do make it possible for a determined few to block a bill for a very long time if they really want to. but in the house, i don’t know what more could have been done (by holt et al).
Yeah, Russ is on with Rachel…! ;-)
katmh, do you have any pointers for web sites re permanent residency/work permits in Canada?
Living (relatively) free of corporatist rule seems very attractive.
and with all the new spying priveleges, or rights, or whatever,
there comes this.
be looking for more problems with dems winning in rethug districts ala Siegleman
and journalists and activists, then artists and authors suddenly getting busted for whatever.
it’s permitted now.
Without being privy to all the negotiations behind the scenes, I would guess that Dodd and Feingold were told that if they had any hope of getting specific legislation through down the road in this Congress or had any projects or funding they wanted, then they’d better follow the rules mapped out that included agreeing to the Unanimous Consents.
It was probably what allowed their amendments to be brought in the first place.
My guess is that Dodd and Feingold are both as capable at vote counting as Harry Reid or Dick Durbin or Mitch McConnell and knew that no matter how hard they pushed, the votes just were not going to be there on this issue.
I don’t think that makes them any less of a fighter for the Constitution; I think it just makes them pragmatic and willing to get whatever they could out of the rest of the sellouts.
Dugg
Top 10 Corporate political money givers, their overall rank among money givers, etc. Please note who is the TOP money giver: ATT, which is the company that Mark Klein worked for in SF. They are the ones who had a special room built in their CO to run all the cables into the splitters as a ‘favor’ for NSA.
Rank….Name…………total 89-08…..D…….R
2 AT&T Inc $39,449,726 43% 56%
5 Goldman Sachs $29,066,962 62% 36%
14 Citigroup Inc $24,675,225 49% 49%
18 Altria Group $23,191,741 27% 72%
21 United Parcel Service $22,422,431 35% 63%
22 FedEx Corp $21,948,238 44% 55%
27 JPMorgan Chase & Co $18,334,968 50% 49%
28 Time Warner $18,214,619 69% 29%
30 Microsoft Corp $17,743,669 50% 49%
32 Verizon Communications $16,863,599 38% 60%
please, i beg you, live blog for those of us without cable tv.
WTF was Whitehouse doing voting with the majority here?
As for Obama, he’s been weak on the issue since the very first glimmers of the program came up.
The surprise here would be for some stronger leadership.
Whenever he “carefully considers an issue”, progressives will be dissapointed.
Nah..this way, McCain gets to play both ends against the middle: I was busy and oh yeah, I did not vote to trash the Constitution.
I don’t mean to pick on CTBob. But one of the defining characteristics of the left blogosphere is that we apply facts and critical thinking not just to the right but to ourselves as well. That’s why Obama should not be given a pass on this. We would not be giving McCain or any other Republican a pass on this. So we can not give him one either.
nancy didn’t have to bring it to the floor selise.
she’s all celebrating being the first woman speaker, and then doesn’t use her power to protect the constitution.
makes me want to up chuck.
you cannot IMAGINE how thrilled i was with her getting that position, and how much faith i had not only in her but in the “new” 06 majority. Like Glenzilla said, what exactly would the difference have been had the thugs remained in the majority.
i can’t see it.
It seems painfully obvious that the solution does not reside with the Democratic Party. There were 13 that stood up for the 4th amendment when it mattered, the other 15 today got some press. It is fair to say that roughly 87% of the Senate is corporate controlled and in that same mix account for the Iraq war and all that followed.
It is shamefully how quiet most of the “progressive” blogs have been on the FISA issue since Obama turned to the dark side. It was a huge issue until the new leader of the Democratic Party sided with the corporate forces– read fascism if you care to.
To those that believe–like Jane– that it just takes more activism or a few more donations or some well-placed ads to change this country’s political system, the party today by the telecom lobbyist must include some well-deserved backslapping and ridicule about how power is wielded in this country.
Will the Obama supporter still give money to his campaign? Will his glib rhetoric on change and hope still drive them to a frenzy? Will we have to listen to never-ending drivel that the Dems (13) are better than the Repugs and the Supreme Court is teetering so we must accept
fascism (oops)corporate control of our government in order to win in the end? Suck it up we will be told, be reasonable.To those that advocate working within the Democratic Party, I am amazed at your never-ending naivete. It is just what the status quo depends on.
Dugg
I’m on my 2nd very strong Mint Julep. Mostly bourbon.
This has been a really bad day for the Constitution.
F•ckers.
At least we have a veto-proof vote for the Medicare bill. We should all be thankful about that. Looks like some of the repubs got the message from the AMA.
Doc, you can only go to Canada if you hire and take me as an assistant… or give me lifetime scrip to something really strong. *g*
yes. the entire house dem leadership is extremely corrupt.
Maybe a bit of “booing” in the stands when Mr. Mendacity of Hope gets up to give his stump speech… maybe less money for his campaign… maybe less lionization of him out here in the t00bz…
He’s disappointed me today, and I don’t believe him any more. Now I don’t believe in him anymore either.
Seminal days in American History (according to Jo Fish anyhow):
July 4th, 1776 the signing of the Declaration of Independence (sans focus groups)
December 7th, 1941 We went to total war
August 6th, 1945 Hiroshima marked our ascent to superpower
December 12, 2000 The day irony died, Bush v Gore announced
July 9, 2008 The end of the 4th Amendment (with focus groups)
I’m sorry, I wasn’t singling you out; I just decided to back off a bit and let everyone get out their anger. I don’t want to be overly contentious with anyone, because at some point it becomes non-productive.
I’ve stated how I feel, and while I am upset about this, I don’t want us to figuratively cut off our nose to spite our face.
I don’t know what else to say. Yes, I’m unhappy about this. No, I’m not going to pull my support from Obama. Yes, I’m going to email his office with my complaints. No, I’m not going to make this the breaking issue of the campaign. Yes, I’ll keep the pressure on him to be the leader we all want. And definitely no, I’d rather fucking jump off a cliff than see John Sidney McCain get into the White House.
that’s small change compared to selling out the Bill of Rights.
Frankly, the repigs need to pander on medicare just as much as the democruds do.
In the soaring oratory of GWB “fool me once…err…er.. can’t get fooled again.
Barack, I don’t like being made a sucker.
If any of these jokers would offer an excuse, any excuse, even if it was just the telecom money, I might think about forgiveness.
I don’t like being treated like a fool.
I put out a lot of 25 and 35 dollar bills in June. From now on every time someone solicites me, I reply thanks for your service but this contribution goes to accountabilitynowpac instead of to your campaign.
RevDeb,
As a native of the Bluegrass, let me say that mint juleps are usually not drunk (other than on Derby Day, if then)
But may I suggest you find a good, single barrel/small batch Bourbon (Woodford Reserve is one I’ve come to favor occasionally)
Just straight up, in a brandy snifter, to be sipped and savored. It is truly excellent (but also a bit pricey but that’s what ya get for the excellence)
:they voted to deny Americans future legal recourse to illegal wiretapping. . . ” or something like that via Rachel
Cheers, RevDeb.
I’m right there with ya.
Would take it a privelege to pour and serve.
You are a constant trooper here. I appreciate you. Others as well, but you are truly great in these battles, in the overall war.
Bottoms up. If ya lived closer, I’d have you over and sponsor your liquids this and other evenings.
I still think it was a good thing. Just me, I guess.
Feingold!
I already had the julep juice brewed and needed to do something strong.
Having trouble typing—that means it’s working.
Whores, is that what the senate has become,selling out to the highest bidder behind closed doors. Isn’t prostitution illegal or was there immunity for that in is this bill somewhere?
Again this is just a story without facts to back it up. So here are a few. The Congress has only a few weeks before it goes on its August vacation. It will come back for a few weeks and then be gone again for the November election. Not much is going to happen between now and January, and fo what does get done Reid is going to need Senators on board and not obstructing him. So no, I don’t see a lot of repercussions from standing up to him. Another fact, Joe Lieberman. Look at all the backstabbing he has done including campaigning for McCain, and what has Reid done about that?
Feingold on Countdown on Fisa
Selise, check this site out in a bit… They’ll have it up… He’s on right now as #5 Constitution on the line…! ;-)
“stunning enough to see a Congress argue for it’s own impotence . . . . “
Rachel ties it down.
Rachel asks Feingold: When dems stood up on FISA earlier, it worked. Why this?
Feingold: This admin is somehow able to raise the “soft on terror” meme, and has worked again. Dark hour.
Rachel: You said telecom immunity is not the worst part.
Feingold: Right, immunity is bad, but more serious is the issue of congress giving the executive the ability to suck up all communication with no supervision. Either is sufficient to vote against it, and it must be fixed.
Rachel: Is there any difference between the parties on thids issue?
Feingold: Having Obama elected should fix this issue. He is a constitutional scholar. I think he will lead if elected. It needs correction.
Russ arguing for Obama—but why the hell did Obama vote for the sucker?
Exactly. It wasn’t like Obama was the deciding vote.
I’ll take one please, skip the mint and the julep and make it straight bourbon, this day sucked every which way and up.
Russ is saying that Obama will fix it after he’s Prez…! Audacity of hope…?
Feingold thinks President Obama can fix it.
I agree. It would be intellectually dishonest if we didn’t hold the Corporate Dems responsible as well.
As Molly Ivins said: The lesser of two evils is still evil
Rachel: Speculation that Obama woulkd bring criminal prosecutions.
Feingold: Not ready to weigh in. We’ll look at it on committees.
thank you much.
But I don’t think there’s enough alcohol in the world to drown this travesty.
Mr. Rev. is yelling at me to give it up and get over it.
I don’t think I can.
It’s hard to think back to the optimistic days when the primary season began…IMHO, Obama’s politics haven’t moved anywhere..his whole 20+ year political career has been the calculus of what is good for Barak. If you think things look grim now, just wait until after the coronation.
Lots of audacity.
Not much hope.
On Race for the White House with David Gregory earlier today, Peter Beinart and Stephen Hayes both said that Democratic voters are with Obama, “no matter what”, that there’s no question whatsoever about them showing up at the polls come election day for Obama.
bob - i am not asking you to pull your support from obama. you are doing what you think is right. and while i disagree with your approach, i know that you want the same things for the country that i do. that is what makes us allies. maybe you missed a late comment i left you in the previous thread? i’ll repeat it here:
i am asking you to respect that i am also doing my best to think this through. and i’m asking you to treat me like an ally - even if we don’t see eye-to-eye on whether it is best to support obama or to withhold support from him.
and please - no cliff jumping. promise, ok?
The most interesting thing about this is that Congress (both houses) have essentially let the 1600 Crew castrate them.
I think that their new most favorite pastime will be naming post offices and allocating money for their biggest contributors.
It’s all they are now allowed to do without the explicit permission of the White House. How sad.
Perhaps we can have the Nancy Pelosi Drawbridge, it only stands up 1/2 the time.
The Harry Reid Cyclotron, it chases stuff around in an endless loop and is pleased with that result…
The Steny Hoyer Federal Building… built by the highest bidder but needs additional infusions of money to remain erect…
To CTBob, I don’t think you get,
“Yes, I’m unhappy about this. No, I’m not going to pull my support from Obama. Yes, I’m going to email his office with my complaints. No, I’m not going to make this the breaking issue of the campaign. Yes, I’ll keep the pressure on him to be the leader we all want.”
Allowing and supporting eviscerating the 4th amendment is a breaking issue. If Obama allows that he allows all that has transpired in the last 7 years. Emailing your complaints is a great vent but are you not emailing to someone — a constitutional prof — that fully understands what he just supported and — then did it? What kind of response would you expect?
Your “pressure” in the face of 87% corporate control of our Senate is almost laughable. And then the finale, we have to vote for the Democratic Party’s version of corporate front-man to stop the Republican because …. I remember, we can win some minor victories while under the thumb of a corporate controlled government.
I don’t mean to pick on you, Jane believes just like you do. I just don’t know how nakedly the corporation have to wield their power before it becomes more obvious.
GREAT idea, joel.
MEEEE TOOOOO!
say no and tell em why.
i’d say that’s a huge thing we all could do that MIGHT, just MIGHT get them to see the bigger pic.
wanna bet?
I am livid and agree w/ those angry at the Demos. We always knew the RePukes are war loving fascists, but the elite in the Senate sells us out and spits in our faces. No more money to the national Democratic party; a few progressive Demo’s may be worth supporting (Feingold, Barbara Lee, McCaskill) but the rest are just RePuke Light.
How ’bout a 3rd party in this country? Hell, how about a 2nd party?
The Audacity of Hype
you heard it here first
T-shirt!
Hillary must know “something is in the works” against Barack Obama right now and that’s probably why she switched her vote on FISA today:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/.....fisa-vote/
She must now “something” is coming and she’ll be on the ticket.
Heh, I agree… Btw, who wears the pants…? Put him in his place…! ;-)
“Perhaps we can have the Nancy Pelosi Drawbridge, it only stands up 1/2 the time.”
Bah hahahahahahaha! Funny. She’s really the one I’m pissed off at today. It’s because of her that the FISA vote came to the Senate. I spit on her.
Hey, that’s one of Obama’s platform pieces, I think, government transparency. Wondered he meant by that.
hype
Yeaaah!!!
Russ all into that Obama can “fix this” when he gets into office.
so, why would he “fix” it when he voted FOR IT??????
i WISH Rachel woulda asked him that. I was yelling it, but i don’t think she heard me……
CTBob:
There is no political “middle ground” from here on in this country…we have the classic authoritarian disconnect between the mass of people and money-power-politics. The imbalance continues and the sham of democracy is sustained by the “money equals speech” principle annunciated by SCOTUS…there is no compromising with fascism…we have a candidate who is driven by ambition and will do and say anything to gain power, we confront ‘im at his own game. Right now Obama thinks all us progressives are like you…they’ll all fall into line because they don’t have the courage to stand on constitutional principle. Basically, Obama believes that there is no line in the sand for progressive capitulation to political power. Maybe he is right…
It means corporations get to write the legislation.
What I’m really upset about(and this is on top of basically putting this country on the fast train to totalitarianism)is that the Congress basically acts as if “the sun will come out tomorrow..tomorrow..” on Jan. 21, 2009. As if by magic, everything is going to change. Many of the same b*tards that have been obstructing all the good stuff will still be there, and still be obstructing. Only this time, it’s ooo, so much worse because the precedent has been already set. And I really am afraid that Mr. “let’s get along” is going to not only allow the bad boys to leave with all their stuff…he’ll wipe the hard drives clean for them.
you won’t hit her ass, she’s got that covered
Another tee shirt!!!!!
hehe
great one.
i’ll REMEMBER.
The Audacity of Nope
The Mendacity of Hope
The Audacity of Hype
These are great. We really should have a contest.
yeah. hehe
i thought i knew and we were “same paging” there, but obviously NOT!
Yeah, I’m trying to think of the best protest at Netroots Nation when she shows up. I’m thinking of wearing my underwear on the outside of my clothes since we no longer have any privacy anyway…
thank you for the KO liveblogging.
Fair enough. I do respect and value your opinion. We’ll all get through this thing somehow. If we weren’t Democrats, we’d always be agreeing with whatever Fox News tells us to think, right?
I’ll do my best to keep my feet safely on the ground!
Obams’s Progressive Myopia:
The Paucity of Scope?
what we really SHOULD do is start our own tee shirt shop, sell em and give the moneys to a new ACLU party.
forget the democRATS and the rethugs could be sent neatly back to the caves where they belong, to continue their struggle to evolve with the rest of us.
Citizen TobyWollin:
The train reached the terminal in 2000…we’re already at the totalitarian station.
jest need more decimation of the population.
lol. thanks bob.
it’s been a hard day for all of us.
t-shirt
I just wish I had
The Alacrity to Cope
not sure I do tonight.
Why didn’t someone invoke rule 21 or whatever the hell it was that Reid did to bring the senate to a halt?
Bmaz: The Audacity of Nope
The Mendacity of Hope (Can’t remember who came up with this)
neurophius: The Audacity of Hype
Jo Fish: The Paucity of Scope
JimWhite: (for us) The Alacrity to Cope
The Felicity of Dope.
i’m kinda strivin for that as an alternative tonight.
I appreciate that you’re not picking on me.
This is a difficult pill for everyone here to swallow. But as Sen. Feingold just said on MSNBC, he’s convinced that President Obama will certainly fix this flawed law.
The only thing we’ll never get back is telecom immunity, which let’s face it, is only an issue because we hope to use the investigation to nail the Bush administration. I’m guessing that Feingold and most of the Senate knows we have enough evidence to go after Bush once he’s out of office, so they’re willing to cave on this.
That’s simply my speculation on the matter, but the lack of unified opposition in the Senate seems to support this theory.
I don’t think I’d spit on her if she were on fire.
OMG. Rachel just said that Homeland Security is considering putting bracelets on air travelers that could zap them if they don’t behave. Dear gawd.
The Mendacity of Hope: Bluetoe2?
McCaskill voted the wrong way.
On the brighter side of loosing privacy, will the new FISA help with AIPAC espionage?
HA! Beautiful.
Digg Jane
and upvote on reddit
What over the opposition of Republicans and conservative Democrats? Good luck with that. As we saw for the last 2 years, Republicans do know how to filibuster even if Democrats don’t.
Loo Hoo, if they don’t do that the terra-rists will win. Expect to see it passed with Alacrity by the bed-wetting WATBs in the Congress and on Preznit Large Coward Small Numbers desk by next Friday.
A suitable payment will be distributed on the floor of both Houses the following Monday.
why not just wear no clothes?
Exactly Elliott. We should be storming Pelosi’s place right now just so we can scare those protective pants off her so we can spit on her. ;-)
i appreciate your continued attempts to find a silver lining. me? i just want to throw stuff.
I don’t even want to think about what that would mean for where I would keep my bail money.
or at least yell FIRE or something. cripes.
LOL At this point I’d toast some marshmellows on her butt and then would invite friends over asking them to bring graham crackers & chocolate. A Pelosi Smore!
Oops! Just found the link to Senate vote and see McCaskill voted to gut the 4th Amendment also. I take back anything nice I said about her in #156.
And yeah, Obama will “fix” it when he’s Prez, sure, just like he’ll prob. end the war in a few weeks . . .which war, though? The one scheduled to begin w/ Iran soon?
saw that earlier.
I wouldn’t put it past them.
Thanks, and the list is:
Bmaz: The Audacity of Nope
BlueToe2: The Mendacity of Hope
neurophius: The Audacity of Hype
Jo Fish: The Paucity of Scope
JimWhite: (for us) The Alacrity to Cope
siri: (for some of us) The Felicity of Dope
No, Kay..no smore Pelosi.
it’s the only, however faint, silver lining i can think of :/
Hi Bob. A lot of people may not remember the great work you did for Ned Lamont.
I’m with you, I always give a Presidential candidate some room. They always have to move to the middle.
I respect a lot of the FDLers who are disagreeing with us. I am confident they will continue to work hard to support better Democrats. It’s all we can do. It’s a very sad day and I know there’s a lot of frustration.
I covered that McInsane smackdown on VA groups endorsing him, in my post yesterday… I’m pleased to see Rachel covering it…!
lol!
Dear RevDeb,
Remember decades ago when the teen-age pop music was filled with sturm & drang songs about “The End of the World”? Like,
As a teenager, when we got dumped, that’s what it felt like.
If you have teenagers of your own, you may have seen a few similar meltdowns.
We learn that the world does not revolve around us, and we pick ourselves up, and start over.
The political world is not really filled with White Hats vs. Black Hats. Most of us, and all candidates, wear gray hats. We’ve got to “keep our eyes on the prize,” and “Hold on!” That’s what the Civil Rights movement taught us. Persistence, and patience wins in the end. Fits of temper, and sulking, generally don’t do all that much good (although MLK did a find job of turning a sulk in the Birmingham Jail into something of lasting value.)
So, let’s keep our eyes on the prize, and hold on!
We’re not done yet!
Aloha,
Bob in HI
Well, one thing is for sure…if you’re pissed off at Barack Obama today and he gets into the White House in 2009, you can be sure the Democrats in the House & Senate will be working hard to impeach his ass over…say….he used too many pencils on one day!
Wow. Rachel shows a clip of a veteran standing up to McCane on his voting record wrt veteran issues. This must go viral.
LOL Okay, how about “Pin the Smore On The Nancy Donkey”? Please, please, please!!!!
Timidity to grope.
Thanks for the shared venting. I’m off to snuggle with my youngest and watch something mindless on the tube.
new thread on T.Bo
one’s energy ideaArnold Schwartzenager:
The Capacity to Grope
Kay..I’d like to pin a whole lot more than a smore on Miss Nancy’s a** — when the history books get written, she’s not only going to be identified as the doorkeeper on trashing the 4th Amendment, I suspect that she will also get ‘credit’ for holding back women in Congress for some time to come. She had the big stick…and she beat up the rest of us with it.
Has anybody asked Obama, or Feingold for that matter, what Obama would “fix” in it?
According to Obama, he thinks it’s a good “compromise”. What is the compromise? Telecom immunity for the expansion of presidential powers to be able to wiretap Americans? For the executive branch to be able to gather up all electronic transmissions, without oversight?
How is complete and total submission a “compromise”?
Which corporate sectors can now expect grants of immunity for breaking laws and damaging Americans? Has a back door now been created to get around tort reform? Will they all be sending checks to their favorite members of Congress with “FISA, Me too”-legislation written in the memo section?
Obama is so not the answer.
So what’s the prize?
And is it worth keeping our eyes on?
If it’s more of the same with a different color, I’m not interested.
I’m tired of being taken for granted.
I’m tired of being abandoned for the sake of the illusive middle of the road, uninformed, disinterested voter who isn’t going to vote for someone who is (shhhhhhh black) anyway.
I’m tired of candidates and elected officials who think that selling out the bill of rights is OK as long as it gets them elected.
I’m tired. Period.
See my 207… I’m trying to do my part…! ;-)
please tell me about reddit
Digg, I know about
Marcy had a whole thread on that last night with video. Check it out!
mark at 201–and i believe she voted the wrong way last week, too……buy my brain could be remembering it backwards…..but i thought she did.
Well as long as we are in EPU land I will give you mine to sum up:
bmaz: The Audacity of Nope
BlueToe2: The Mendacity of Hope
neurophius: The Audacity of Hype
Jo Fish: The Paucity of Scope
JimWhite: (for us) The Alacrity to Cope
siri: The Felicity of Dope
Loo Hoo: The Timidity to Grope
neurophius: (for Ahnuld) The Capacity to Grope
Hugh: The Elasticity of Tropes
you are blessed to have that as an option, JimWhite.
WE are blessed that you come here and participate.
Thanks, and hug the little for those of us whose littles already flew the coup.
hugz, JimWhite.
:)
Hey, Amway is now selling health food vitamins! I saw it myself on a commercial on Countdown.
We’re lost, I tell you. Lost.
She sure did beat us with the stick and I will never be able to forgive her. She started the madness and blaming only Obama for what transpired today just doesn’t make sense. Maybe we could slip the Sargaent of Arms a Ben Franklin to…you know…arrest her! Rove too. Get ‘em both at the same time.
I don’t see why they should limit the bracelets to air travelers, do you?
Everyone should get one when they vote, or register for school, or are born.
Think of how easy things would be for the state.
Don’t tempt them.
So you *did* see my comment @ 90?
Between you and Bob in HI . . .
I’m not sure the cloakroom in the basement will hold them all…but I’d love to see it happen…and they should swing around and pick up Mukasey while they are at it.
http://emptywheel.firedoglake......-veterans/
linky for Marcy’s post about McCain dissing the vet who was questioning his votes on money for the VA…
Blackwater vitamins? Must include steroids.
The Veracity - no Hope
Are these new ones? They used to sell vitamins before….??
Hah…! I’m flattered, but, a snowball in hell has a better chance…! ;-) Bob, are you game…?
dunno. they have green specks in them.
Never been an Amway kind of girl.
Used to be a democrat.
The Veracity of Nope!
KaylnMaine, NO ONE blamed ONLY Obama.
He is getting the brunt of this because he’s our “leader”, AND he got there with a lot of promises and requests that we just trust him. Which we did. We believed in his “hope” message. We dared to TRUST.
He’s the party leader now, cause we did those things, and he strolled in today, voted FOR the amendments which were destined to loose, THEN
he voted Aye on the entire bill. And then he strolled out.
That’s just obscene and unacceptable. I didn’t want THAT. I already GOT that in Commander Codpiece and his little plastic supports.
Obama f(*#&ed up. Period. He asked for this position, we trusted him and said “Yes. We can (do that for you), and then he turned totally red coat and screwed us all.
There is nothing in those statements that isn’t true. Get a grip and please, join us in calling it like it is.
He deserves the majority of the blame here cause he ASKED FOR IT.
And we said YES.
And here we sit. With total disgrace upon us because we dared to believe in him.
Puhleeeeze!
Way to go Claire (McCaskill)…Way to prove that you’re just another cheap D.C. whore, selling yourself out to any corporation with a fistful of dollars.
You’re a BIG disappointment to those of us who spent time working to get you elected because you promised to bring ACCOUNTABILITY to Washington D.C.
You’ve proven that the only entities you’re accountable to are your corporate sponsors. Why don’t you just do like the NASCAR drivers do and put their logos on your clothing? How about a big AT&T patch on your back and a Sprint patch on the front of your blazer? Maybe an emblem depicting the Constitution torn in two on your shoulder?
History will not be kind to you and the other traitors from today. My biggest hope is that your treasonous acts will provide the spark that will light a fire under complacent Americans (of all political stripes), causing them to bring REAL accountability to their government.
See you in four years…
thanks!
a new t-shirt for every day of DNC week.
ACLU on it! : ACLU Announces Legal Challenge To Follow President’s Signature
Hey, last time I was in HI, it snowed*. If I can throw snowballs in HI, then perhaps snowballs in hell isn’t such a stretch . . .
*Let the record show that I was on top of Haleakala at the time.
How to at this link
Thanks for posting, a good note for the evening…And another direction for donations…
oh boy, more information about us and what we care about for Homeland Security to track.
Kirk,
I don’t have anything the government of Canada website can’t tell you:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/i...../index.asp
We are in great need of medical doctors. But before you immigrate, be sure that the College of Physicians for the province you want to live in will accept you. The sad fact is that the immigration point system, by which the government decides whether you can immigrate, is not necessarily a good predictor of whether you’ll be able to practice your profession here. (That said, I think US-credentialed MDs have no problem here.)
I moved here to be with my partner 6 years ago. As much as it means that I’m not subject, in the same way, to the crazy-assed shit that’s going on in the US, I’m still 100% subject to the heartache and despair. (And plenty of wiretapping, I’m sure.)
It’s nothing they don’t know about me all ready.
me too, but it’s the goddam principle of the thing.
I’m there with you.
This has always been about the candidates carving up the old and putting together new coalitions from which to govern.
Like anyone planning a Presidential run, Obama very deliberately chose long ago which special interests groups he needed in order to win (first the nomination and then to win the general election), and which were expendable. The trick was that he had to string the expendibles along for a while in order to get the nomination. The Clintons did the same thing, only with some variations on which groups were to be in their New & Improved Democratic Party.
Both Obama and Clintons had the left on their expendible list. We all knew that once the primary was over, the Democratic candidate would put some distance between himself (or herself) and the activist liberal progressive leftwing base. We knew Clinton would do it - that’s been their history. The Clintons have been courting the moderate Republicans who feel alienated from the Christian right’s control over the Republican Party. The activist liberal base was all that stood in the way of a Clinton victory, and once the primary was over, the Clintons could afford to offend us, have us leave if we weren’t happy, and then bring the moderate Republicans in.
What we didn’t anticipate was Obama’s list of interest groups which were expendible (us, the activist progressive liberal base that made him the nominee) and which groups he was going to replace them with (Christian conservatives). That came out of left field.
I hear ya, but I look at it as a way of circulating stories on what we feel is important. Not to mention bringing new readers to the blog
We don’t own Barack Obama. It appears Hillary Clinton does now and unfortunately he’s falling for her ploys. She switched her vote from “aye” to “nay” after he voted which tells me…starting with Pelosi bringing the FISA bill back to the floor of the House to be voted on…until it hit the Senate floor…was just the Girls getting together to drive the stake through the heart of Obama to make it appear to the masses that Hillary is the “real” progressive. She’ll use this as a way to get on the ticket or she’ll end up as McCain’s VP and McCain will say, “I would have voted against the bill too as Hillary did. We respect the Constitution!”.
I will not jump on anyone’s bandwagon, Siri. This is how I see it and I see it as a political ploy all in favor of getting Hillary on the ticket. You can see it your way. ;-)
That totally makes sense to me.
In fact, that’s the first thing that’s making sense to me in all the brouhaha since the tally on the official and final vote this afternoon, or evening depending on where you are. Or morning.
i.e. The world’s watching this.
We JUST validated and verified for everyone on the planet that we ARE with “stupid”. And to think i almost bought one of the t’s from Maher’s place or reference or whatever, that said “I’m not with Stupid” with a red circle NO/cross out over Bush’s face.
I have to wonder if Michelle Obama is getting that there’s some kind of “change” and that it corresponds to “hil” deciding to actually SPEAK to him.
Or,.,.., I need to loosen the foil here, it’s gotten tight this afternoon into evening, since about 4ish?, I so lose time watching the Senate all day long.
Another reason to donate to the ACLU!
Bob in HI
69-28, 293-129. Hey those are both veto-proof (2/3) majorities! Proof that it doesn’t matter who is in the White House when the Congress gets around to gutting the Bill of Rights.
France called…..They want their statue back.
If, and only if, my state is in play come the election, that might become a relevant consideration. Until then, I’m with Jesse but for different reasons. ;-)
People who love the law called…they want their statutes back.
With all due respect to all the efforts to place ads and attract attention, the one place where money will talk the loudest is if everyone who is disappointed puts down a few here in the next day or two, regardless of what they will do later or who they support:
https://www.votenader.org/forms/contribute/
Nothing concentrates the mind like the threat of Ralph Nader with a following.
The Democratic leadership has validated the rationale for everything they’ve been doing for the past 7.5 years, in Obama’s words: “My view on FISA has always been that the issue of the phone companies per se [i.e., the rule of law in general] is not one that overrides the security interests of the American people.” That’s Barak Obama validating Dick Cheney’s world view.
You’re right that it will take long-time, ongoing organizing to have an impact. We must keep going.
Sorry real late to the party “We hold these truths to be self evident that man has been endowed by his Creator with certain unalienable rights the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” ( Hope I got the quote right off the top of my head)
My pursuit of happiness is really angry when I can’t phone or leave comments without the Government listening in.
I am not an enemy of America my phone should not be listened too, unless George Bush is America.
We gave up the Divine Right of Kings when we left England. I see no reason why we should bring back all the evils of having a king for an idiot reincarnation of the Emperor Nero.
Obama has said that he would have voted against the 2002 Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF). Given his cowardly performance in the FISA vote today, does anyone really believe that anymore? He sought cover under cosmetic amendments, and then voted to eviscerate our civil liberties. That is the essence of triangulation. This was a much easier and clearer vote than the AUMF. It was a no-brainer for a Constitutional lawyer, and he still did not have the back-bone to oppose this unconstitutional Bill that has no support among his real constituents. He would have done the same thing in the 2002 AUMF vote. He would have triangulated, and then voted with the herd.
You now know all that you need to know about Obama. He does not have the back-bone or the courage to stand up for fundamental principles. That is his essence and it will never change. That is Obama.
What part of endowed by his Creator with certain unalienable rights do Bush and Obama don’t quite seem to understand? Bush and Obama want to bring God into the bedroom by restricting abortion but they don’t want God on the phone?
FOFLMAO!
((((((((neurophius))))))))
Done, done, done, and done, plus this. The ACLU is putting together an ad in a major newspaper. They’re looking for people willing to be signatories to it. Click to go there if you’re of the mind.
With a president at 28%, an opposition party on the floor, and a global environmental crisis, THIS was the year to do it!
Obama has this election served to him on a plate, yet he still cowers on something as fundamental as the constitution and basic law!
Any (substantive) difference between
(1) the ActBlue FISA page
and
(2) the AccountabilityNow page?
I’ve already contributed to (1) (weeks ago), and have signed up for the moneybomb, which goes to (2) afaik.
Other than on general principles, is there a reason I ought to contribute to (2) sooner than August 8? Or should I save up my cash for the moneybomb? Seems like the latter might make a bigger splash.
Info appreciated.
I appreciate all of the hope you are relaying to all of us. I am really angry at the leadership of the Democrats for allowing this vote to come to the floor and for so many voting for it. Obama’s explanation that this brings the FISA court back into the process just points out the fact Bush broke the law. And how is this law going to accomplish waht the initial law could not. You’d have to make a great leap of faith to think this President is suddenly going to recognize the limits of his office or expect him to follow any law. Better watch out for signing statements with this law.
I appreciate all of the hope you are relaying to all of us. I am really angry at the leadership of the Democrats for allowing this vote to come to the floor and for so many voting for it. Obama’s explanation that this brings the FISA court back into the process just points out the fact Bush “broke the law”. And how is this law going to accomplish what the initial law could not. You’d have to make a great leap of faith to think this President is suddenly going to recognize the limits of his office or expect him to follow any law. Better watch out for signing statements with this law. What the Democrats did was become lawbreakers with this President.