So it seems that Jonah Goldberg is upset at those nasty liberals again — this time for having the audacity to say that racism, embodied in the tenure of the recently deceased Jesse Helms, is a significant cog in the Republican Party machinery.
I think I see another book in the works: "Liberal Racism: In Which I Continue To Project The Right’s Own Worst Propensities Onto My Opponents." Or something like that. At least, that’s what happened the last time he got on one of these jags.
He’s already off to a great start:
For the last several years preening liberals have argued that conservatism and "Dixiecrat-ism" are symbiotic, if not one and the same. These liberals, in the words of Bill Voegeli:
"… believe—or avail themselves of the political advantages of professing to believe—that the essence of conservatism is and always has been Dixiecrat-ism. This is not a point of antiquarian interest; the clear implication is that everything that conservatism has accomplished and stood for since 1965—Reagan, the tax revolt, law-and-order, deregulation, the fight against affirmative action, the critique of the welfare state…everything—is the poisoned fruit of the poisoned tree."
This is akin to what Goldberg did in Liberal Fascism: create three big fat strawmen and then oooh and aaah as they go up in flames. The first is a "modern liberal" who is a caricature with only a vague resemblance to anything any known or representative liberal actually is like. The second is a liberal’s description of conservatism that similarly has only a superficial resemblance to what any serious liberal actually says. And the third is a version of conservatism that is so narrow and self-serving that it effectively obliterates a substantial portion of the Americans who, historically, have actually been considered "conservatives" at the time.
You can see this as he trundles onward:
The line peddled by Paul Krugman and countless others, that the GOP majorities and victories of the last thirty years are all the poisoned fruit of the poisoned tree of Dixie is simply untrue. Whatever Helms’ personal druthers, his political maneuvering room was constrained by the fact that the GOP is not a racist party.
… Now, a word about the South. I’m no expert, but the story of the South’s sloughing off of racism and its movement into the GOP fold, is one of the most egregiously under-told and distorted tales of modern political history. (John O’Sullivan points to one aspect of it here.) The bigotry aimed at the South never ceases to amaze me. Indeed, it is astounding to me how the left tells us we need to understand the nuance of, say, the Jihadi mind in all of its shades of gray, but when it comes to the voting habits of law-abiding white North Carolinians all you need to know is that if a white hand pulls a lever for a Republican politician, that hand must be attached to a racist, and that racism guided the hand to vote for a Republican. The South is a complicated place. Racism was certainly its central shortcoming, but it was hardly its only feature. That so many people can only see the racism, even as its half-life accelerates, says more about their myopia than it does about the region it casts its gaze on.
So, a brief reality check: Goldberg does not cite any liberals who actually say that "the essence of conservatism is and always has been Dixiecrat-ism" because, frankly, there aren’t very many of them. Most liberals and other critics of the American right take a much more nuanced and realistic view — essentially, that not every conservative is a racist, but rather that every actively practicing racist is a conservative; and that this is the case in today’s context not just because racists always have been conservatives, but because the conservative movement has made constant accommodations and appeals to them.
This has been so for a long time, but has become even more self-evident as the Republican Party became the party of the Dixiecrats. The Southern Strategy (note that Goldberg evades any mention of this whatsoever) not only was designed to provide wink-and-nudge acknowledgment to racists that the GOP was on their side but to blunt the advancement of minority interests.
Functionally, this not only pulled the GOP farther to the right, but it also had the effect of continuing to empower racists and enable them to translate their beliefs into law. Indeed, the GOP at one time was not a racist party. But as it reached for power, it empowered and recruited racist elements to the extent that it became functionally racist. It was not a mere coincidence that David Duke was attracted to the GOP. It may have couched policy choices in non-racist terms throughout, but in adamantly defending white privilege and attacking programs to help minorities, it undertook the agenda of racists. Goldberg can deny that this is distinct from actual racism all he likes, but in the real world it becomes a distinction without a difference.
There is a symbiotic relationship between the racist and non-racist elements of conservatism, but that also implies that they are not identical; rather, what’s clear is that the GOP has pandered to racists as a means to obtaining electoral strength enough to win power, and the racists have accepted the muting of their old-fashioned bigotry in exchange for gaining political power. Were it not for the ministrations of the GOP to their withering corpse of an ideology, white supremacy would have vanished from the political scene many years ago.
Moreover, the argument that racism is dying on the vine in the South is absurd and laughable on its face, because the legacy and influence of racism remains pervasive there and not only persists, but does so precisely because the GOP has given it power foothold within its own ranks. The most painfully obvious example of this is the continuing outsize influence of the neo-Confederate movement within the party: This movement, as I’ve discussed at length previously, is not merely arch-conservative but positively radical; it not only defends the Confederacy and slavery and denounces Lincoln, but it argues for outright secession. Sean Wilentz has written at some length about it, among others.
And then there has been the more recent surge in racist nativism emanating from Republican ranks, particularly from the more "arch conservative" faction of the party. One suspects that Goldberg would simply like to define them away as not being "real conservatives" (that was how he handled the matter in his book), but rest assured they would do the same to him. To the rest of us, well, if it walks like a Klansman …
Of course, "libertarian" Republicans like Goldberg are in steadfast denial about the significance of these strains, but the heat of those denials can’t dissipate the ongoing hard reality.
The overarching narrative that Goldberg is trying to construct here is the same one he deployed in Liberal Fascism, to wit, one in which conservatism is narrowly and conveniently redefined to include only the libertarian/free-market component while denying that other components — particularly the racist, anti-gay, and generally xenophobic blocs — don’t really represent conservatism.
This, put nicely, is a gargantuan pile of horseshit. Conservatism as we have known it in America is not just Russell Kirk and William Buckley but also John J. Calhoun, Theodore Bilbo, and Strom Thurmond. There are indeed libertarian and anti-centralized-government strands to conservatism, but there have also always been reactionary, bellicose, jingoistic and simply racist strands to it as well; the Southern Strategy, in fact, had the effect of wrapping those strands together and bringing them to real political power.
This was embodied in Jesse Helms, an unrepentant racist and homophobe whose Bircherite worldview poisoned the nation’s political climate for three decades and more. A lot of people have reminisced about Helms this week, but my favorite Helms story — because it illustrates his core nature, as well as that of his fellow conservatives, brilliantly — comes from a Sept. 12, 1995 Reuters news report:
Helms (R-N.C.) seemed somewhat shocked when the caller from Alabama said, "Mr. Helms, I know this might not be politically correct to say these days, but I think you should get a Nobel Peace Prize for everything you’ve done to help keep down the niggers."
"Oh, dear," guest host Robert Novak said.
"Whoops," said Helms. "Well, thank you, I think."
"That was the bad word," Novak said. "That was politically incorrect. We really don’t condone that kind of language, do we?"
"No. No," said Helms, a vocal opponent of affirmative action.
Helms went to say the slur is not part of his lexicon.
"My father didn’t condone it when I was a little boy," the 73-year-old senator said. "One of the worst spankings I ever got was when I used that word, and I don’t think I’ve ever used it since."
What was noteworthy about both Novak’s and Helms’ responses, of course, was that they were flustered over the use of "the n-word". Neither bothered to even address, let alone repudiate, the content of the man’s remarks — you know, the part about "keeping the niggers down." Indeed, Helms seemed to thank him for them.
There may have been much more to Jesse Helms — but his bigoted approach to race revealed a narrow, pinched, and mean-spirited mind dedicated ultimately to primitive racial nationalism and willing to inflict injustice and harm on those he considered his lessers, and that manifested itself in a broad array of policy choices. And that, in the end, is exactly what we can say about the Republican Party, too.




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Hi David. I would alert the prior friend if I could even figure out where people are ….. Instead I shall read.
Hey, David, looking forward to reading this….I’ll be back
David. He’s a repiglican swine. You don’t actually expect facts or truth, do you?
i let downstairs know – they were 2 flights down
g’evening david
ooooops,
great post, but folks are downstairs.
I’ll be back! I make it a point NOT to miss your posts, David.
Thank you!
come on down?????
pax
Jonah Goldberg is the big fat strawman. Lieberman is the scumbag.
Jonah and Jesse – quite a pair. Thanks for a great post, David. Always enjoy your writing.
Aloha, Dave! Suz and Tex, too…! ;-)
Correct. Thanks, David. If it’s any comfort (and it IS to me) my neo-con twin brother could only get part way through Jonah Goldberg’s book before tossing it — with enthusiasm — into the garbage. There are fools, and then there are damned fools. Some get over it…..Jonah just can’t seem to do that.
howdy.
As a resident of Georgia, formerly of Texas, I can, without a doubt, inform Jonah that racism is not “dying on the vine” in the South. It continues unabated in many areas, and seems to have come back to life with the candidacy of Barack Obama.
dugg
dugg and thanks, teddy, for opening the digg
Republicans actually were not all racists, as I can attest. My parents were Republicans and weren’t racist. They were socially liberal, which was still possible for GOPers to be back in the good old days, before “learning” and “thinking” were somehow labeled effete liberal things.
Dugg, Teddy!
Strange Fruit of the poisoned tree, indeed.
*raising hand* socially liberal, fiscally conservative republican
excellent description – thanks margot
In the “even a blind pig finds a truffle now and then” department, we have Jonah:
RRRAAAWWW!!! Firedogs!
Add Your Name to the ACLU’s Newspaper Ad.
Done. Thanks for the heads-up.
Evening, all.
from Bill Scher: Obama Just Can’t Stop … Not Shifting Rightward
done
Very welcome.
Thanks for this post, David. I’m wondering how long it’ll take him to write another dopey book? Didn’t the last one take like 4 years?
fuk obama
If the appeal of the Republicans was not inherently racist, how do they explain the conversion of so many racists from Democrat to Republican in the South? Was it their other policies? And what other policies, exactly, did the GOPs have on offer for Southern white racists who deserted the Democratic party in droves?
just did.
good!
Did it, thanks!
Evening all. Good shot to the pasty white there. Speaking as someone who grew up under Jim Crow in the South, attended segregated schools for six years, and actually knows what the fuck he is talking about, let me be the first to say Pantload is completely full of rancid, racist bullshit.
This almost made me hurl when I saw it:
RRRAAAAWWWW for the ACLU and the fire-in-the-belly-dogs!
Was one of those points true?
I just did through my Email, WireTap This!
I am still pissed off and Jonah can take a big suck outta my ass.
Sorry Pups, I am done for the night, if I keep dwelling on it, I am going to go find my favorite sledge hammer and take a few whacks, that will kill my back and I can’t afford that right now thanks to Stupie’s fucked economy.
(Waiting for either my vacation next month or a heart attack before).
thanks tw3k
nite busted. we got it
OT – Ha!
Congressman Robert Wexler has changed his tune on H. Con. Res. 362, the blockading of Iran bill.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..11663.html
You don’t suppose that getting
his ass handed to himeducated when he was here at FDL recently had anything to do with that, do ya?Selise – you here?
So, a brief reality check: Goldberg does not cite any liberals who actually say that “the essence of conservatism is and always has been Dixiecrat-ism” because, frankly, there aren’t very many of them.
Besides Darth isn’t a Dixiecrat he loves making inbred redneck jokes, and Reagan was from Illinois not the South proof positive that it isn’t only poor southern people who are racist.
However the sterotype that most Republicans are racist is true they just deny it because its unfashionable.
g’nite busted friends don’t let friends sledgehammer (without a lookout for the cops)
I assume so. I tend to trust Bill Scher on these matters.
Lyndon Johnson, like many Southerners, learned to use the word “nigra” as a substitute for what the treasonous Novak calls “the bad word.” I expect Senator Helms’ father had, as well. Good thing Jesse and Bob found the “civility” argument to curl up in.
hammer well. then sleep well.
Dugg
and signed ACLU letter at 20
btw Jonah Goldberg is a beached white whale
Absolutely true, Teddy, the Republican Party pretended to promise them to ’conserve’ the white southern way of life. Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond would have been dismissed by any group of non-racist voters. But, hey, that didn’t happen. And Strom got all kinds of remembrances. I loathe the incoming crap on dear old Jesse.
I’d recommend the vacation. It’s more fun and probably cheaper.
hey neuro – how’s the finger today?
Did you ever hear about the Copperheads, during the Late Great Unpleasantness between the states? They were the Southern sympathizers living in Illinois. The attitude is still there, if you look.
David. He’s a repiglican swine. You don’t actually expect facts or truth, do you?
Dave thinks he is a Pinata smack
himhis facts a few times when you need a laugh as his reasons fall out his belly like candy.As to the issue of whether all Republicans are racists, I think we can safely modify Pope’s axiom here.
Well, as a southern, Texas boy growing up during the desegrigation period I can attest that this was exactly what turned all those dixicrates from dems. to gop. I can tell you this lbj was right it cost the dems the south for a generation. Sorry but my parents never voted dems again after that. It was Reagans key to victoy and they voted against their own self interest for a generation to keep the negros down. The fight th. is all the way and still know it is right
as far as the book, it is great comedy, it really means someone is not teaching history
I’d advise against the heart attack. You’d have to get your chest shaved and they don’t give real baths much anymore, in the hospital. They open a pack of these large baby wipes. “Patient Daily Care Wipes.” Ta-da, all done! Yuchhkk.
In Northern Illinois on the Wisconsin border the Klan organized because they didn’t want Catholics moving in.
But no I never heard of the Copperheads but does Southern Illinois even have a job base now to keep people from moving away?
Hi, suzanne and folks. Great post, David. The finger is doing fine. But what a great week. If it’s not a chainsaw trying to eat a finger, it’s my refridgerator dying on me tonight after all the repair places close and won’t send anyone out to fix it. (”dying” may be right, perhaps I should just give it a decent burial). And now I get to have a racist rightard beached white whale define for me what I think “conservative” means.
How’s everybody else doing? *g*
Eisenhower, Rockefeller, Lindsay, Javits, George Romney, LaGuardia, Stassen, Dewey, and Earl Warren.
hi lonestarleroy – don’t recall seeing your name here before so permit me to welcome ya. if ya need anything, or have any questions, please feel free to ask.
Mahalo, tw3k! Signed…!
Welcome, LSRoy!
LBJ=nads. All gone now.
oy
if it is any comfort, i passed septic inspection – finally – after 3 days of digging.
Heh, apparently, another Texan…! Aloha, lonestarleroy! Kewl, name…!
In the rest of the country former Dems who voted GOP are called Reagan Democrats but they now all say it their votes for Reagan were all about the economy which to be fair was pretty bad and not about race because that would be unfashionable.
The Burbs are more concerned about appearances than any hollywood diva.
I’m assuming it was the house that passed ….. right?
Hooray! If that were a post, I would Digg it!
What hurdles remain, Suz?
Let’s not forget the rancid stock that The Doughy Revisionist comes from.
It’s not his fault. He was born to be a mealy-mouthed whiner and closet hate monger.
-G
In Connecticut, they’re called Connecticut-for-Liebermans.
Spew alert, please?!
hasn’t he sort of come out of the closet a little?
Jonah’s a waste of protoplasm
whadda dick!
Singlehandedly crusading to thoroughly discredit the home schooling movement, IMHO. 8-)
A line from Hartman’s first rant in Full Metal Jacket comes to mind right now.
the house’s septic… i do not carry my own personal one around with me
Oh what fun would THAT be!
Maybe they were looking for StJoe!
Speaking on behalf of Dicks everywhere, let me assure you that we want now part of him (nor Cheney either).
Do we yet know what sired it?
FISA drum tomorrow! g’night all!
That’s present in Denver as well, but more against Native Americans and by extension, Mexicans.
It’s old, has always since dirt trail ONE been the dominating and accepted point of view, and a brief foray into the history of DenCo settling will sound very familiar to what we are hearing out of Iraq, re torture, human dignity, et.al….
Cthulhu.
At least Token doesn’t have to worry about carrying one around…!
g’nite, tw3k.
better day tomorrow.
nite tw3k
one foot in front of the other
Hey, to the Doughy Pantload – The Dixie Doodle part of your party is RASCIST to the core. Sh*t has more brains than you, you fascist.
Good One! Or the lets invade Iran but ignore Saudia Arabia getting a nuclear Reactor even though it is closer to Israel because the Saudis are Bush’s friend, just like the bin Ladins were.
Night tw3k.
It is NOT just the Southern branch. Such old line luminaries of the conservative movement as William Buckley were rabid racists. It is far more pervasive in the Republican party than any one geographic or class segment.
Massive evacuation ordered in Paradise
I don’t want to be all reverse-Falwellian, but would like to point out that the Butte County Clerk was the first to announce that she and her staff would stop performing ANY civil marriage ceremonies, regardless of the gender of the celebrants, once she was ordered to marry gays.
Did she anger a Higher Authority?
I’m with you, Dr., pause, Dick!
I live in the South, but didn’t grow up there.
What I’ve learned here is that racism goes in very direction. Not just “white” racists here, but some people of any and/or every color or ethnicity who despise some other group.
g’nite tw3k
well said
It really is much, much better than it was when I was growing up in the 50s and 60s, but it is far from gone and is still very pervasive.
thaneks for the reply, I have lurked for a long time and now justd stepped out on the limb. I have a long thought process and just now got my belly so full I just wanted to join a like minded community. thanks so much for the thought. I will have some questions soon Suzanne. Thanks again as this is a second comment.
Got anything you wanna ask Ralph Nader?
He chats tomorrow at 3pm eastern at WaPo0.
There are many Texas folk on these threads. And a group of us from Austin to San Antonio who get together as often as possible. WHere are you?
Yes God spoke to me today fire beat plague in the coin toss.
Yeah. How do you manage to walk upright and carry around that 5 ton ego?
lotsa company out here on the limb :) welcome and looking forward to hearing your voice here
I think she did, Teddy. I went to Paradise during the winter…what a lovely town.
Every time I have visited my best friend who lives in Arkansas I am always taken aback at how many confederate flags there are. They are on everything.
Night tw3k!
Darkblack has a great pic up showing the marriage of McShame and unHoly Joe.
If the Saudis do use nukes on Israel one day history will blame Holy Joe and Bush.
Sat there wondering how long it would take to comment, myself, many chatty years ago, lonestarleroy. Welcome to the Lake!
no joke, just read the books by caro
HA!!!
Welcome lonestarleroy!!!
wow!
you got here just in time!!!!
we need you.
:)
ha! sure hope its a marriage in name only and that they don’t breed
Hey, lonestarleroy, and welcome from another who lurked for years. I, too, grew up in TX after an early childhood in CA. Whoa…..another world! The black kids from my area were bused out. Their mothers were good enough to prepare the food, clean the toilets, wipe the butts of the little white kids …. but not good enough for their kids to attend school with us whiteys. I was Catholic — and got my first taste of prejudice. I’m laughing now, but it was shocking when I was 12. No blacks at my church, but when visiting New Orleans, my family was surprised to see that blacks actually attended church……but had to sit on the outside aisles. I think that helped cure me of the cult! I still wonder why blacks even wanted to be Catholics in the south. Such times….!
That amount of ugly should not be seen this close to bed time.
thanks, I grew up east texas and moved to austin about 10 years ago
I was not there in the 50s and 60s. I live in a large city, and there are new immigrant ethic groups. So, the racism is not just White/ Black. Add Hispanics, Chinese, etc. Great antagonism between Hispanics and Blacks, just to cite one example.
film at 11….McPain gives birth to Joepain
Hi mod my comment at 101 reads
If the Saudis do use nukes on Israel on day history will blame Holy Joe and Bush.
it should read
If the Saudis do use nukes on Israel one day history will blame Holy Joe and Bush.
Thank you:)
*throws up in mouth. a lot.*
GSD: Just got back today from a couple day job in the lovely Granite state. Had a fun time around Manchester and Stratham. Don’t know why anyone would want to destroy it…
The Insanity of dopes.
good one! Where’s Hugh?
the dope show
dopes on a rope…
Aside from actively recruiting racists into the party (the Southern Strategy) and promoting them (Trent Lott), it strikes me that a fundamental part of the Republican Party’s race problem is their economic policies, which transfers wealth upward, thus creating a growing undeclass, and enables business and the wealthy freedom to exploit this same underclass. All of these programs disproportionally target and affect minorities, specifically blacks and Hispanics, which have historically struggled against oppression. The installation of racist leadership, wholesale race-baiting, and both economic and law enforcement policies that disproportionally target racial minorities….
That passes the duck test for a racist party to me.
I grew up in Oklahoma which had large populations of blacks, Indians, and Mexicans when I was a kid. By the time I was in college and grad school there were also large Iranian and Southeast Asian communities (mostly in the two largest cities and Norman). As far as the white Okies were concerned, they were all just different types of N****rs.
You’re right. Jonah is for me like Lieberman is for Jane: catnip.
livn austin work bastrop
hey david
This is sadly true in large parts of Florida as well.
Goes to the old question of whether racism in the actions or the attitudes. To my mind it makes no difference.
BTW, sorry I’m late, all. Was at the fund-raiser for Darcy Burner. So far we’ve raised $200,000 for her — which translates into 8 days of fund-raising work.
i’ve heard that from kin when visiting ok/kansas and kentucky.
WOOHOO!!!
No doubt! But I was also trying to say that not all racists are white, as I discovered.
well come hang out with us!
email me if you are interested. tex betsy at g mail
that is great!
Sadly true of much of the country to be honest. After I left Oklahoma, I spent 12 years in Chicago which I still believe to be the most polymorphously racist place I have ever been.
David! Darcy!!
I’ll bet you some of Jonah’s best friends are black.
Bravo!
Ha!
Go Bonkers in Manchester, also known as Manch-Vegas.
Stratham—pronounced Strat-um in proper New Englandese.
Dr. Dick, poor Jonah had to take LucyAnn to the prom, like any good homeschooled putz.
Newton…..I’d be reluctant to guess there were any good parts of Papa Goldberg to be running down anywhere…..
-G
True. The Cherokees are notoriously racist towards blacks and have been since the 19th century.
Have you been to the Chicago Suburbs?
Mine also; no moral difference, certainly. I generally consider the attitude racist and the action discrimination. In the end, whether they intend to be racist or not doesn’t matter. The effects matter, and that is where the difference ends, to my mind.
We don’t call him “pantload” for nothing.
That might even be creepier than the chastity balls.
Well said, RonD.
As little as possible, but yes I taught there. For the record ALL Chicago (city not burbs) Republicans are racists.
To be sure, Thomas Sowell is on The Pantload’s holiday card list.
-G
Jane smacking Holy Joe around hour after hour day after day (sigh) GOOD TIMES!
{{{Loo Hoo}}}
Cherokee Nation…..
Some theme music.
-G
well think like this, a very rich school (public) in texas was so happy that they did not have to employee lunch room help as the parents ran the lunch room. well since they was mostly black and the district was mostly white i did not know why. well they sent they sent their maids. who knew.
my parents lived in the area in the 50 and said that when the people had to worry about integration they fired the maids
didn’t they keep slaves, when they lived back East?
As little as possible, but yes
Sounds like you have been there!
jeez
Dude! One of the first LP’s I ever bought, and I flat wore it out. Great album.
Thanks for the memory.
Evenin’ David and Firedogs -
pretty much a drive by (FISA/Offshore Cave Ins rage – then work)
Welcome lonestar ! lotsa Texans here – I’m 28 mi NE of Austin – Hutto
David – your pic – keep thinking there are plenty of Republics who could have used a decent sized bloc of conservative Latino voters – now all chased off by Tancredo – bwaahaaahaaa – wonder if he ever goes to the cloakroom without armed escort anymore *g*
Wow, very exciting news. Thanks for representing tonight.
wow
that’s way awesome, GregB.
people play native music, past and current in native chatrooms all the time.
you remind me of that.
WTG!
:)
This gets complicated. All of the Southeastern Indians had indigenous slavery systems based on war captives and their descendants. In the late 18th century some members of the tribe began acquiring African slaves from white traders. During the early 19th century a small segment of the tribe adopted Southern style commercial Plantation agriculture with African slaves and held several thousand slaves. When the Cherokees were removed to Indian Territory (Oklahoma) they took their slaves with them and re-established their plantations. In the American Civil War, the tribe was divided between those who wanted to remain neutral and those who sided with the Confederacy. The last Confederate general officer to surrender was Gen. Stand Watie, a Cherokee, commanding general of Confederate Indian Forces in Indian Territory.
“Primitive Racial Nationalism” … so well put. This idea of people confusing their unhealthy sense of tribal nationalism with genuine patriotism is dangerous and chronic. Peer pressure and intimidation causing certain group members, especially leaders, to become more and more outrageous in their cliched punishing scapegoating. The less confrontation and interference to them, the more blind and cruel and automatic it become. The more intolerant of critical thought and exploration. Power corrupts.
A NYC friend moved to the rural south, and had to seriously re-invent an outer life that made her tolerable enough to co-exist. Mostly re religious devotion. (not generalizing all of south.. just where she ended up)
As I read your post I was thinking of how Karl Rove skipped about triggering the worst prejudices in all groups.
Jesse Helms flaunted his hatred and power.
Watching the silver-tongued congresspeople who practically wave the flag at you in their exploitation of symbols of country along with the raw primal and unprocessed pain and horror of, say, departed young soldiers … use a tone of shallow sentimentality as their crazymaking rhetoric fog machine goes on .. like reasonably explaining that to justify the deaths of soldiers OF COURSE more must die. And fellow congressmen back away, frightened of the power to seduce of such an arrogant hypocritical posture.
All conservatives are not bigots but all bigots are conservatives is well put.
All liberals are Democrats but not all Democrats are liberals? Suddenly there feels like a lot of levels of Dems post-Obama coming out of closet as gamesman not a statesman.
LL, another Wellstone- (not Obama-) democrat
Fascinating. Weren’t they clever, though.
Yikes. My district hired poor white women as cafeteria workers…and , god love ‘em, lunch was always the best meal of MY day! Those ladies sure could cook! i’ve never been able to cook a veal cutlet as well as those wonderful women. I think my sibs and I would have starved had it not been for those cafeteria ladies.
All of these programs disproportionally target and affect minorities, specifically blacks and Hispanics, which have historically struggled against oppression. The installation of racist leadership, wholesale race-baiting, and both economic and law enforcement policies that disproportionally target racial minorities….
Lets not forget all the poor whites blinded by hate to vote for laws that are against their own interests.
Sometime I think the Racists need at least one member who passed economics and understands that voting GOP has only gotten poor whites lower living standards.
That and Dick Cheney and Jonah Goldberg laugh at the silly poor white people at their secret drunken, canned hunt,
whorelobbyist catered GOP weekends with Scalia.I taught at several colleges in the burbs including College of Dupage, Barat, St. Xaviar, Rosary, and Governors State. One semester I made a 150 mile circuit to turn in my grades.
wailing blues
You know, if propaganda were to be considered as an art form, convincing poor people to vote against their own interests has to be one of its’ highest expressions.
All different now. Pizza Hut and Corporate crap all around.
Dupage County very well might be the worse.
you are baaad.;)
Yes. I am bad and proud of it.
The Devils greatest trick was to convince the world that he doesn’t exist.The Devils Greatest trick was to convince the poor to fight over scraps because of skin color rather than go as a group to the richmans house and demand more money.
yes, till they decided to buy the bland, precooked, bulk food the school lunch room was great, but now it is not their fault.
btw, if anyone is wondering about Pantload’s mother…
A blast from the past. Women Who Make the World Worse.
Revised cover by Valley Girl (moi)
http://www.nationalreview.com/…..200815.asp
i’m bad and nationwide
http://www.nationalreview.com/images/obeirne.jpg
DING!
hahahha.. ole 60 grit
It had its moments. Bear in mind that the College’s distinguished alums were the Belushi brothers and that it really is Wayne’s world. You can only imagine the joys of teaching an 8:00 freshman class.
That is just way, way too much tongue.
Hey it’s not only the poor. At the county fair a few month back I along with other members of the dem central committee here were registering voters. As folks would walk past we would ask if they were registered to vote and if not that we could help them. Two police officers were walking past us and I asked them if they were registered to vote that I could help them. They smiled at me and laughed, then I said I can help you stop voting against your own interests. Their smiles immediately went away and they quickly walked away.
How fucking true.. I just don’t understand people who vote against themselves..What are they so dumb they don’t see what they are actually voting for… the fucking rich bastards who say there is NO Class Warfare in this country… Yeah right see FISA and Immunity for all who participated in the illegal wire tapping… shit…
Emotions trump logic
Until reality can’t be ignored anymore.
Yeah, and that’s not even his mother. She’s the hag about to swallow the microphone, lower right.
Dam where is Spock when we need him most /S
good night pups.
Divide and conquer is a very old trick used by elites to keep the masses from uniting to boot them out (or send them to the friendly neighborhood guillotine).
How true…which fits the plan. The more the people can be subdivided and set against each other, the easier they are to control and exploit…So more’s the reason to marginally educate them , and feed and sell them packaged hatred.
pain free sleep wishes tex
Night Betsy, sleep well.
G’night, Betsy!
Night Betsy.. hope you have a restful sleep:>)
thanks y’all
Poor in Spirt then perhaps? Lacking in Empathy? Deprived of a Classical Liberal Education? Stuck at the survival level of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs so they can’t care for others until they get to a certain level of security themselves?
Although dorks like Darth and Rove seem to love feeling hate and fear all the time like junkies no matter how secure they get. They used 9/11 as their big chance to spread their disease.
Nite Betsy!
Seriously. Lucianne Goldberg.
That is what happened in my part of Ohio in ‘06.
People saw that they were worse off, much worse, and voting for GOP had done them harm and not a bit of good. It’s been like a Depression here for several years now.
Actually, having that as a mother might explain a great deal about little Pantload.
No shit!
It’s about having power over people IMO. The police department is out of control here.
Don’t bother doing any reading up on Lucianne – there’s no redeeming chapter in her story, and the best you will get is a runny nose and an urge to change your shorts.
The Vulcans gave up emotion because they couldn’t handle the wars etc brought about by emotions.
I like to think that the 70% of us who have evolved can handle the 30%ers the same way we handle our emotions by dealing with them as hard as that is and by looking for the real reasons for our problems.
The GOP in all things takes the easy way even with emotions rather than deal with a stronger, richer, politically powerful group they prefer to go after weaker, poorer, politically weak groups and blame them for their problems.
The tragedy is that the whole country seems to be facing a depression … as though that is the only way folks will wake up from the Republican trashing of American. Shameful and sad.
Imagine having no health insurance and your child dies from that. Imagine just knowing someone that happened to. Imagine knowing people who cannot afford to feed their children. This is happening all over the country. If it has not happened to you, you know it will sooner or later. Katrina was the true tipping point. People are not stupid. People can now see past Fox NoNews and the bullshit thrown their way. There is a revolution in the making. This is not drama but truth. And the weather is re-enforcing the awakening of the electorate.
It is enough to give me nightmares just thinking about it. Cannot imagine what it was like to live with that.
We’ll see whether or not people finally ‘get’ it when the vote is counted in Nov. I’m not holding my breath. The Dems have thrown the past two elections and the Repukes have tossed the fear bomb to secure their wins. God help us all if people really fail to wake up.
I quit taking the LA Times when they added Johah- and not because he’s a gooper. I LIKE reading WILL for example- he’s intellectual challenging.
Jonah is totally fact adverse. He does ZERO research for what he writes- he just spews. Worthless
Good point power does seduce even the lowest drops of power can seduce if it puts you in authority over others and you were not a happy camper to begin with, well then you try and use power to make yourself happy.
But all that power can do is make people do things unwillingly and that can seriously twist a soul.
Nothing like a severe recession to focus realities.
Kathleen Parker was the same at the Chicago Tribune I think that there is a link between wignut welfare that does not need an editor or fact checker and the drop in newspaper circulation and people watching the news.
Although 30%ers seem to like to watch not for the facts but for the emotional rush. The problem for the news is that 70% is larger than 30%.
Jonah does not write. He excretes.
Look what a substantial amount of power has done to Cheney.
Yeah, I know Doughy Pantload is the term of art, but I always prefer Spawn of Lucianne.
es upstairs with late late nite
Makes him shoot small broken birds.
I’m off to bed. Take care and enjoy, but be careful not to step in any Jonah on your way upstairs.
nite doctor
‘Nite, Doc. As always.
Jonah, the great extruder.
-G
I think our economic troubles will hit the rich worse than us after all thanks to Bush’s economy the American tax payer is tapped out by higher gas prices and lower home values and stock market.
Now then the hedgefunds all borrowed from the banks at 15 to 1 or greater leverage even if Helicopter Ben wants to bail them out he can’t the Fed’s cred is shot. Nobody believes them or Bush on the Strong Dollar Policy which Bush has been pushing since his first term.
So any more debt we get for a bailout means the Dollar is going even lower.
Or a substantial amount of unhappiness
Oh yeah! Dammee, I forgot that phrase! Yes, I prefer it too! Doughy Pantload aka Spawn of Lucianne. Spawn of Lucianne aka Doughy Pantload.
Amen.
Dang that is a good point.
GOP (promises to)put you in a position of power and if you’ve got nothing, you like that. But it isn’t real, and you don’t get power, and you have no health ins. and crappy schools, etc.
GOP is to a good life like Cheetos are to a slim waist.
woo hoo! way to go!
Take a bow, you.
only with jayt, prof. foland, and everyone else who was in that choir. but most of all fdl for giving us the soap box from which to speak and be heard.
Selise @ 222
What good news is that! He deserves a thank you email or call!!
yes, good idea. maybe one from all of us who piled on him that day?
And an excellent
pile ondiscussion it was. Congrats to those who did us so proud – I watched in awe!He, too, performed quite impressively. That man could probably liveblog.
I sent my email to him, thanking him. You did a great job that day! I was busy thanking him for trying to impeach Bush. I remember being confused by his Iran stance. I did ask him about the power of the Israel lobby driving our foreign policy which he didn’t answer. But I remember it getting VERY intense. :)