Damn, somebody is on fire tonight!

“If it wasn’t sufficient, then they shouldn’t have been picked up,” Hogan said, adding that he probably would make the government explain any proposed change.

Money Quote!!! ;-)

what a surprise

We will see what the government comes up with. I’ll bet they don’t have a shred of evidence against any of them.

They’ve got nothing, and Hogan is calling them on it.

I am starting to see pigeons coming back to roost here.

time to get the new attorneys…approved to handle the classified evidence.

This is the boobytrap. Clearance procedures can take…as long as they need them to.

Evening all.

Typically, A TS clearance check takes 6 months, they do interview your 3rd grade math teacher…! ;-)

I’m thinking Hogan isn’t going to go for that.

I seem to remember that Justice Hogan made some good decisions during the Plame case. Pretty sure it’s the same guy. I don’t have the links anymore. Quick google:

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20050520.html

Doesn’t really inform anyone who doesn’t remember the details, sigh.

it would be normal for the Bush regime to try to sit on the cases until January. Good job by Judge Hogan.

time to get the new attorneys…approved to handle the classified evidence… that we haven’t quite finished making up yet.

This has been another in the long-running series by our Department of Injustice called “Quote Cut Short”.

I suspect he won’t either…! Seven years is seven years…

My TS while in the USAF took about that…but a friend of mine, that does IT things for CEN*COM, his background took over two years. If they were actually trying to drag their feet?
Indefinitely.
“Yes, Judge, we are complying with your order. The security investigations are proceeding, and we will notify you as soon as they are complete.”

wiki isn’t very comprehensive, alas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hogan

but this snippet was pretty funny-

~~In August 1986, Judge Hogan ordered the Library of Congress to continue printing playboy magazines in braille.~~

OT .. Sorry I posted this too late for the previous thread.

You should you research the 1929 Depression.

The Cabal’s inner circle initiated that depression in the spring of 1929. That summer the word went out via Morgan Bank to the Rockefellers, Kennedys, and others to unload their stock holdings. The Depression hit in October, when calls monies were suddenly removed from the stock markets.

Depressions are a no-brainer for this Cabal of private bankers.

Plus, they have to check your voting record, so no D’s need apply.

If a case is supposed to be ready for trial, the lawyer is supposed to be ready regardless of whether he just got hired by the litigant or the firm. that’s their problem. Lame

I have a feeling that Judge Hogan is more likely to give them weeks, rather than months to show cause or release everybody.

Obvious disclaimer: IANAL (with the emphasis on ANAL):

Can’t Judge Hogan set the date and lay down the gauntlet:

“Bring ‘em or spring ‘em”?

“I buy it for the articles.” ;)

release everybody.

Can you imagine the screaming on FOX?

OT my conservative Congressman Tim Johnson was the only Republican who vote against HR 6304 the FISA Amendments Act. I emailed him a thank you note and he sent me a snail mail reply. Toward its end, it reads:

This legislation allows the intelligence gathering of individuals who are not US citizens and are reasonably believed to be located outside of the US. Additionally, the bill removes the requirement that it must be unlikely that the communications of any U.S. citizens would be intercepted in order for the government to conduct warrantless surveillance of foreign agents or foreigners outside of the Unted States. Rather, warrantless surveillance would be allowed as long as it does

not intentionally

target U.S. citizens or persons located within the US. Again, since I could not be assured the protection of American’s civil liberties. I could not support this legislation

My bold.

If a Republican can figure this out and oppose it, why can’t Obama, Rockefeller, Hoyer, Pelosi, and all the other Democrats who voted for this or will vote for this?

*gentle reminder*

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Hard to imagine how you translate the pictures to braille, though it is possuble. 8-)

They also will check your parents, your siblings, your spouse, and any children you might have. Make sure you can provide full names, birthdates, and SSNs for all of the above.
Also be prepared to explain what you were doing back to about 1947 … even if you hadn’t been born then. (I wish that was a joke, but they really do ask that kind of question.)

put the bumps where bumps belong …. simple… if ya can feel it then ya can see it in your mind:>)

oh, he’s that judge.

Actually it made sense - he figured that being blind wasn’t a reason why you shouldn’t be able to get at least the text parts of the magazine.

Heh, my poor PTSD’d Nam stepdad and mom, with their medical marijuana use licenses, were terrified by the repeated, unannounced visits from the G-Men, for a couple of years there…!

You can bet your sweet bippy in the next day or two faux will start saying the Democrats want the terrorists to walk main street USA.

Fox Headline: A terrorist for every city.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/28/usa

Judge Hogan:

~~August 9 2004
US district judge Thomas Hogan rejects claims that the US constitution’s provision for freedom of the press protects Cooper from testifying and finds Cooper and Time in contempt of court. Time magazine appeals the ruling.~~

~~October 7 2004
Judge Hogan holds Miller in contempt.~~

~~July 6 2005
Judge Hogan jails Miller for refusing to divulge her source.~~

And Hogan waxes gently sarcastic:

“Then I guess you boys who *do* have the proper clearances are going to be very, very busy in the coming weeks…”

lord, it would be fun to be a judge.

Weird things happened to the formating on this so I will give it another shot.

OT my conservative Congressman Tim Johnson was the only Republican who voted against HR 6304 the FISA Amendments Act. I emailed him a thank you note and he sent me a snail mail reply. Toward its end, it reads:

This legislation allows the intelligence gathering of individuals who are not US citizens and are reasonably believed to be located outside of the US. Additionally, the bill removes the requirement that it must be unlikely that the communications of any U.S. citizens would be intercepted in order for the government to conduct warrantless surveillance of foreign agents or foreigners outside of the Unted States. Rather, warrantless surveillance would be allowed as long as it does not intentionally target U.S. citizens or persons located within the US. Again, since I could not be assured the protection of American’s civil liberties. I could not support this legislation

My bold.

If a Republican can figure this out and oppose it, why can’t Obama, Rockefeller, Hoyer, Pelosi, and all the other Democrats who voted for this or will vote for this?

PJ- btw, I wasn’t making fun, at all. I think it was a great decision on his part. I thought it was funny only because it was not exactly what I was expecting to find.

Related:

U.S. Blocks Payments To ACLU Attorneys Working At Guantanamo Bay

If a Republican can figure this out and oppose it, why can’t Obama, Rockefeller, Hoyer, Pelosi, and all the other Democrats who voted for this or will vote for this?

Why Indeed? IMO, this is the billion dollar question.

~~In August 1986, Judge Hogan ordered the Library of Congress to continue printing playboy magazines in braille.~~

The ACLU shoulda taken that one up on the Americans with Disabilities Act.

And general prudishness.

Hard to imagine how you translate the pictures to braille, though it is possible. 8-)

I have such an off-color answer for that - but - nahhh…

Damned activist judges! Don’t they know Dear Leader cannot err?

l’etat cest Dubya!

they can figure it out

they could oppose but won’t

why they won’t is an interesting question

Oh, I don’t think it i$ all that my$teriou$.

If a Republican can figure this out and oppose it, why can’t Obama, Rockefeller, Hoyer, Pelosi, and all the other Democrats who voted for this or will vote for this?

Why Indeed? IMO, this is the billion dollar question.

I think that they have indeed figured it out - but that the real question involves finding the definitions of “this” and “it”.

Find out what the meaning of “it” is….

Jeez! TDS is a repeat - again… Stewart still on vacation?

jayt - allow me:

Im gonna go check my braille reading skills on Mrs. Bong

;~P

ACLU director Anthony Romero on Tuesday accused the Bush administration of “obstruction of justice” by delaying approval of the license, which the government argues is required under U.S. law because the beneficiaries of the lawyers’ services are foreign terrorists.

“Now the government is stonewalling again by not allowing Americans’ private dollars to be paid to American lawyers to defend civil liberties,” Romero said.

But, you betcha taxpayer dollars are financing the ‘expansion’ of the Prosecution…! 8-(

You are assuming (I’m certain you are NOT) that they have made an honest(?)
error of judgement, when, clearly their calculation (as you already know) is to protect themselves. Therefore either they are simple dimwits or conniving complicit chumps.

There is always the chance that the answer is in their favored stomping ground, in the ‘middle’. They are:

Dimwitted, conniving complicit chumps. Actually:

They succeed because, compared to the public, the d-c-c-c’s are actually quite brilliant.

Of course $omething el$e could e$$plain their ‘$trange’, dimwitted, conniving complicit chump$ey behavior$.

But I can’t imagine what it could be.

I like Judge Hogan. Seems like he knows shit from shinola. (I think that’s a Southern expression).

Obama’s vote for or against immunity will make no difference to the the passage of the bill. It could make a difference in ads the RNC runs against him. As much as I disagree with his support, I do know that it is important that he win in the fall.

Heh, nice…! ;-)

You think he’ll even show?

If there isn’t enough evidence to go to trial now, then either the government doesn’t have it at all, or it hasn’t bothered to process it. Perhaps it thought that it could keep these men locked up indefinitely just because they felt like it. Kind of like the way Cheney’s multi-car motorcades stop DC traffic for blocks as he races at break-neck speed and break-eardrums noise levels as he drives to lunch, to the drug store or to another undisclosed location.

because the beneficiaries of the lawyers’ services are foreign terrorists.

I think their panties are showing. In every response I’ve seen from a Senator about FISA, they all talk about the “alleged” activities of the telecoms. You know presumption of innocence and everything. But here they have essentially tried and convicted these people before they have been, well, tried and convicted. Since these are “alleged” foreign terrorists there should be no argument at all that their lawyers should be compensated as in any other case.

What “evidence” they have was coerced by torture and is therefore inadmissible - in a real, as opposed to the planned kangaroo, court.

It will certainly have an impact on my future donations to his campaign (though not my vote) as well as those of many others.

More Koolaid is in order. Cherry or Grape?

because the beneficiaries of the lawyers’ services are foreign terrorists.

“And our further thinking is that there will be no more United States dollars paid to federal public defenders, because they are consciously defending criminals”.

“Finally, it will be our future policy to require that all Federal Judges presume, and so instruct in cases of trial by jury, that a defendant is henceforth to be considered guilty until proven innocent.”

Gamesmanship and delay. Next, the Brits and French will offer to litigate these cases without American money, and Mikey Mukasey will tell them it will take two years to get security clearances. Whatever it takes to do nothing and dump this crap on a Democrat’s lap. Molly Ivins was right about “Dry-hole George”. Why didn’t we listen to her?

I do know that it is important that he win in the fall.

Why? If he takes on all the Republican positions or many of them, what is the difference between electing Obama and a Republican? And don’t tell me the Supreme Court. The Democrats have always had the numbers going back to Roberts to stop a judicial nominee if they really wanted to.

“Sentence first, then the verdict.” - Red Queen

damn, Hugh. Gimme a minute to count up how many Cokes I owe ya…

Not once did I vote for Shrub…! ;-)

white rabbit set to alice in wonderland

Captain Dimwit to the rescue!!!

Haven’t you heard? We must not call it “Torture”

The mighty Lightningboldt has spoken!

“In place of torture, accuse of cruel and inhuman treatment.”

That’ll fix their little red wagon!

Well, I’m off to save the duck-bill platypus

Carry On!

;~P’

Hugh, It is not just the Supreme Court. It is our entire way of life. I believe in a very strong middle class and it is disappearing, and what I do know is that McCain’s policies do not help. We were a consumer based economy and that is disappearing. May mentioned above that if he shows up. I would love for Obama to show up and give a speech against the bill that would resonate with the public but he is not only running against McSame he is running against MSM and we have to face that.

Fantastic, I love Jefferson Airplane!

g’nite dr bong

Many of us DID listen to her, unfortunately not the Supreme Embarrassment.

Am I gettin’ the hook?

david has late nite upstairs

Night DrB. Be sure to send us the bill. ;-)

sorry, thought you were saying you were leaving.. never mind

I can save the platypus from my desktop, dontchaknow?

On the other hand… I still intend on practicing my braille skillz on Mrs. Bong.

Tried a little while ago and couldn’t find any bumps

She musta been sleepin’

…and yes, I never mind.

I think that if we support Obama no matter what then he is going to give us nothing. I agree about what we are losing as a nation but Obama’s run to a non-existent political center will not produce the solutions the nation needs to regain what has been lost and what is in danger of being lost.

Especially since the actual political center in the US (as measured by opinion polls) is actually somewhat to the left of where he (and Hillary) started.

Obama also appears to be running against his ‘base’.

However expediency, (let us not say FEAR!!!) demands that, ‘lesser’ weevil he be! And therefore, the ‘besser’ … we have NO choice, we never really had much of a choice. No, I am not surprised merely disgusted.

How, in your calculus do the ‘people’ gain ANY leverage?

Oh, right, we should consider that later, after we are ’safe’.

Oh yes, Obama shall have my vote, JP, but, as he has pointedly made clear that he is not interested in my ‘input’ in any other fashion, $ave money, my vote is all he shall receive prior to ascending the throne, at which point, whether he likes it or not, he may expect a term full of constant, certain and cumulative ‘caressing’ from those of us whom he has stiffed.

Would that be okay?

Small ‘d’, democracy rant complete (for the moment).

;~D

Jon & Keith are both on vacation, apparently.

Should we alert Perez Hilton?

Teddy- check out upstairs.

Ditto.

While he is at it, someone needs to ask the Judge to ask the lawyers where Khalid Sheikh Mohammad’s children are. They were 7 and 9 years old when they were kidnapped and held and tortured, and nothing has been known about them for years.

Just a thought,
Heather

Baby steps?

Got ta git the kid up and walkin’ first!

;~D

Thought seconded!!!

Nonetheless, the correct response to injustice is justice. In moving to set this right, those parts of America which still stand for America’s true ideals like justice for all, continue to grind towards American redemption.

It is a measure of how far we have fallen that we are grateful for so small a blessing. These guys have been held for six years and we now applaud a judge who after six years says “enough” or almost enough for they aren’t out yet. What happens if the good judge orders the men out and the government says “Not yet.” The supremes, by one vote supposedly restate the American way, but nothing changes. We are in very deep doo doo and there’s no messiah in sight. We have to think of something other than talk. I don’t mean hitting the streets, at least not yet. The internet is a powerful tool which we don’t seem willing to use.