Because it seems just like last election I was hearing things like this:
US President George Bush celebrated the early transfer of political power to Iraqis, saying that "the Iraqi people have their country back."
So there should be no problem with this:
Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki raised the prospect on Monday of setting a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops as part of negotiations over a new security agreement with Washington.
In fact, I think I’ve heard that would be just fine:
President Bush said in an interview on Thursday that he would withdraw American forces from Iraq if the new government that is elected on Sunday asked him to do so
"Sovereignty, what’s that again?"
In a rebuff to Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, the Pentagon said Monday that any timetable for a US withdrawal from Iraq would depend on conditions on the ground there.
No matter what the people who purportedly "own" the ground think.
Related posts:
- The End of the Delusion in Iraq
- Torture: Obama Heeded Maliki on Abuse Photos, Says McClatchy; What That Says for Our Occupation
- Changing of the Guard: US Troops Withdraw from Iraqi Cities; Maliki Declares “Sovereignty Day”
- In Iraq, As in So Many Contexts, Withdrawal is Victory
- Liz Cheney Warns Against “Walking Away” from Afghanistan, Apparently Forgetting that Dick Cheney Walked Away from Afghanistan





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Well. Time for regime change again. We just can’t have allies who don’t want us to stay there for 100 years. Who does he think he is?
Bob in HI
The Iraqi people are living over our oil. How dare they?
Morning everyone; it’s early here and even in Upstate NY it’s warm and humid. Blech. And, speaking of nasty and slimy…here we have the government doing their “I said that before, but I’m saying something totally different now” thing. Of course, Bush also said that we were in Iraq because we’d been “invited”(his word) to come in. We were not invited. This was a military invasion. It was then and is now all about oil. Supposedly during those meetings with all the energy companies that Dick Cheney had in the early days of the administration(when he really WAS part of the executive branch because he hid all the proceedings under ‘executive privilege’)maps of Iraq with the oil fields on them were literally ‘on the table’(unlike impeachment, which is not). And just recently, we had the announcement about several big US energy companies(at least one with very close ties to the Bush family)going into Iraq to develop the oil resources. So, now we have the polite request to leave or at least come up with a schedule for taking out troops OUT…and the Pentagon says…no. Surprise? No. Not when the oil companies are this close to getting back in there. And, they will need protection once they get there..that’s the whole ‘conditions on the ground’ thing. If the Iraqis ‘behave nicely’ and don’t shoot, bomb, attack or otherwise inconvenience the oil people, then those are the conditions on the ground that we want. If they behave like people whose country has been invaded and is under a hostile military occupation, well then, we’ll stay for as long as the oil people want us there. Right?
Good morning, pups. David Brooks is off today, another July gift from the Times. Mr. Herbert, in “Lurching With Abandon,” says Senator Barack Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He’s zigging so fast it’s guaranteed to cause disillusion, if not whiplash. I can tell you that in this house we’re more than a bit angry.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got corn muffins this morning. The NYT has an editorial this morning, Compromising the Constitution, which says the Senate should reject a bill this week that would weaken the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and expand the government’s ability to spy on Americans. Maybe Sen. Obama will read, mark, and inwardly digest it. Keep on keeping on…
It is hard to figure out just who the hell is doing more fast track lying, McBush, McSame or oshama. Of course they are all owned by the same people so it should be no surprise. Bye, bye oshama we hardly knew you.
I to am getting PO-ed at Barack seeming to be a “sheep in wolfs clothing”make up your mind Barack and take a stand.
It does seem that he is more interested in the people that bought him rather than the people that brought him. As for the SCOTUS argument I do not trust oshama any more than I trust McShame, not now.
Part of the problem is that Bush was never taught that one does not go where one was not wanted or invited. He so used to being a bully who barges in, thinks he is always welcome. Wrong.
He was not wanted here either. He was rejected by the voters and installed by his daddy’s supreme court. It will be a blessed day when he is back in crawford.
In a lot of ways, Obama has been a sort of Rorschach test for many of us Democrats.
Dammit, we deserve to have someone worthy of our hopes and dreams as our candidate.
Lately, he’s shown himself to be possessed of clay feet. He’s more pragmatic than idealogical. If Maliki plays his cards right, he might just get a US president who doesn’t have a 100 year plan.
Pragmatic me wants us out of Iraq, out of filling Haliburton’s pockets, out of the Guantanemo travesty, & out of EPA recalcitrence. I’d like us into health care, into a reasonable Supreme Court, into Spreading the burden of our taxes to those who have skimmed by in Bushworld, into effective FEMA support for our citizens who end up in natural disasters.
Can Obama do that? I’d like to hope so, but I’m damned sure McSame can’t.
What’s so funny Attaturk is Maliki and others have said they want US forces out of there, but I’m sure George Bush & Dick Cheney are relying on the inept Iraqi government to not vote on this measure which continues to bide them time to stay and steal Iraq’s riches.
Mornin’ all!
I prefer the idea that he would continue habituating federally owned facilities myself.
i don’t see how maliki could be serious – without the usa (and iran) to back him, how would he maintain his position? furthermore, if maliki were serious about the usa leaving, bush would have him “regime changed” so fast it would make our heads spin. i see this as purely as pandering to iraqis prior to their elections.
do i have it all wrong?
They have 196 days left to make as much money as they can and after they leave office they could give two sweet hoots about what happens. They have, no doubt, enjoyed their killing spree. They got to watch torture movies with condi and her boots (whip?). They got to watch tens of thousands of minority american’s lose their homes. They got to act like petty dictators. They drove america into bankruptcy. They managed to get their buddies in oil to land sweetheart deals with the corrupt Maliki “government”. Life is good when you have no conscience.
that was supposed to be habitating
damn spell check
No you are not wrong. I believe that a lot of this noise is to cover up the sweetheart oil deals that are being foisted on the long suffering Iraqi people.
Do you perhaps see a parallel here? Both Al Maliki and Obama want to be elected and have to say things which might help. It’s called “democracy”.
And by the way all you disillusioned people, believe me you more want Obama to be elected than McCain. Never forget it.
Barry at the Big Picture has a reprint of an article from the WSJ from 2000. Here is Pickens speculation Legendary legendary oil trader T. Boone Pickens is more optimistic. “We should expect several military conflicts in the Middle East under President Bush, and while this may not be great for the economy it will be terrific for my energy holdings.” If Bush gets elected, Pickens plans on opening a new oil based hedge fund, and is forecasting 100% increase in the price of oil to $40. “I’m an Oil, George is an Oil man, and his VP DIck Cheney is an Oil man. I expect energy returns to significantly outperform equity markets over the next eight years” he said.
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LOL Oh yes, genocide is a sexual turn on for the GOP. How many keyboards were destroyed across the United States because neocons were rubbing them up and down their crotches? I bet George Bush & Dick Cheney know because they were doing it right along with them!
Does that make him clairvoyant? Does the sun rise in the East?
Selise, I don’t want to cast aspersions on Mr. Maliki, but I’m betting that he’s managed to provide for himself well enough to depart Iraq, extended family in-tow and live quite comfortably anywhere in the world he wants.
As soon as the US departs, the full-on civil war begins and it’s gonna be ugly. All we have succeeded in doing is lighting the fuse on this powder keg of a British-fabricated creation of a country. How big and damaging the explosion will be is anyones guess.
Who’da thought that the CIA’s policy of playing footsie with strongmen would have such consequences so many decades later?
Geez…situation on the ground indeed.
Sadly it does not make him clairvoyant at all, he was simply being honest. We should have all been paying closer attention then because Nader would have been a non-factor, imo.
Holy shit!!
Well, at least Pickens is honest.
(Honest– get it? Honest!)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Pickens is on CNBC this morning with his plan for getting the U.S. out of the energy crisis. A keystone is autos run on natural gas.
Pickens certainly has made enough money to run ads to help McSame win.
Well then we should listen to him. If we just let the free market work its magic our economy will be humming along in no time! He just wants what’s best for America!
Righto!
Pickens free market only works if he can control who is in office. Free market for me but not for thee.
Why not cars that run on crude oil? Then we don’t need those pesky refineries.
who could have predicted?!
Sadly, there is more of me upstairs.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/07…..ck-cheney/
Probably because Pickens is heavily invested in natural gas.
hahaha
1) where is the natural gas going to come from?
2) climate crisis?
3) what is he smoking and can i have some?
So switchgrass is out too then?
How may US troops are actually in the vast desert of Al Anbar Province, protecting the large “Jurassic Oil” Slick beneath its surface abutting the Saudi/Iraq border and this?
http://maps.google.com/maps?um…..038;tab=il
The goal is to keep America addicted to oil for the next hundred years. Lets see those records Cheney. Now we will see the rift between Iraq and Executive Oil widen to the point where additional “fabrications” will be “required” to continue this Clust “F’ for the corpo aristocrats who have usurped constitutional checks and balances and compromised the independence and integrity of government’s agencies, in the lust to protect endless profit.! Now America’s liberty to control time and space, to some extent via “one” form of stored potential energy, is monopolized, propagandized, and protected to the detriment of the general welfare of the republic. What are the real costs to America for energy in an industrialized, allegedly mature society? We have become that which we severed our ties from……….
Al Sadr has been notably silent of late. He knows how to play the PR game and, as yet, has made no statement on al Maliki’s Memo of Understanding proposal. If he supports this idea from al Maliki and other Arab leaders there could be a strong unified stand by the Irakis against the US occupation. I think the Pentagon’s statement will help solidify the Iraki position on US troop withdrawal. Will the administration come out and say we’re staying no matter what the Iraki’s want? The world is watching.
Kristol and the other PNAC fools are learning that empire building isn’t quite as easy as it appears from the comforts of one’s air conditioned office. But they’ll continue to say that they were right, that the administration is at fault for screwing up their most excellent plan.
Only at least every war protester from 2002 onwards.
End the rape of Iraq and impeach the rapist,now.
end the rape of America and Iraq….
http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_a…..icle/29547