McCain's economic plan has been leaked just before release (pdf) and it's as incoherent as one might expect. This is epitomized best by this quote:
The McCain administration would reserve all savings from victory in the Iraq and Afghanistan operations in the fight against Islamic extremists for reducing the deficit. Since all their costs were financed with deficit spending, all their savings must go to deficit reduction.
So, McCain is saying he expects to quickly "win" the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, withdraw the troops and save hundreds of billions as a result? Does anyone believe this? Would it speak worse of McCain if he really believed that he'll win within a year or two and is thus delusional, or would it be better if he knows he's bullshitting us?
Now, let's give the old man his due: it's not all bad. He wants to end the corn ethanol subsidy, which is smart. His plan to help homeowners is insufficient, more expensive than it should be and overly punitive to folks who didn't know what they were getting into, but it does one basic idea right—scrap lousy mortgages, put people into 30 year fixed mortgages. Of course, it's essentially no different than the current Congressional Democratic plan. On the energy front, much as I'm sure many people don't want to read it, a nuclear expansion isn't necessarily a bad idea.
But there's also a great deal more incoherence:
- McCain thinks he can lower corporate tax rates, lower capital gain, increase health insurance subsidies and somehow get to a balanced budget by having a one year freeze on discretionary spending, then by getting a line item veto. Uh, yes. A Democratic Congress is going to give a Republican president what a Republican Congress wouldn't. (Ok, ok, maybe he's not totally out to lunch). But seriously, McCain's financial plan is to try and cut revenues but cut expenses more. It simply won't work. Even if he was to end the war, it still wouldn't be sufficient. And that's assuming the US wasn't going into a prolonged recession, which it is.
- McCain's health care plan is to give families a $5,000 tax credit. Individuals get $2,500. Leaving aside the not insignificant cost of this:
- Most folks who can't afford insurance still won't be able to with the subsdidy;
- Most folks who are uninsurable because of occupation or preexisting conditions will still be uninsurable;
- Folks who need individual insurance and aren't young and healthy won't be able to to afford insurance;
- While there are some fiddles around the corners with records and such, it doesn't reduce administrative costs significantly;
- It doesn't get rid of anti-selection or underwriting
- Bottom line: it doesn't get the benefits of having a single unified insurance system. What it will mostly do is subsidize companies, not people. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but very few people who can't afford insurance, or who have bad insurance now, or you the insurers won't cover, will not be much better off with this plan.
- John McCain wants to"reform" social security by adding private accounts to it. Unbelievably stupid idea because either the returns will be on a normal curve and thus many people will lose out badly, or they will in effect be guaranteed, in which case, why bother? And if they ostensibly aren't guaranteed, after millions of people lose their shirt, and they will, because most amateurs do, the government will probably wind up having to bail them out anyway. SS privatization is a way to give Wall Street a huge boost by making mandatory buys on the market. Millions of accounts, with millions of transaction fees, and all of it stupid money. I can practically see the pros salivating as we speak.
- McCain thinks increased drilling in the US will make a significant difference in oil prices. It won't. He also thinks that"clean" coal is clean. Unfortunately, and much as I would like to say otherwise, that's simply not the case. As an electoral issue, of course, cleancoal is hard to beat because it puts coal-mining areas into play. But as a scientific and technical matter, it's just not there.
- McCain wants to reduce the estate tax further. He calls it "letting families keep businesses" but almost no businesses are lost to the estate tax. Billions of dollars of tax revenues are, however, and if dead people don't pay taxes, well then living people who still need the money do. McCain wants the basic exemption up to 10 million, because lord knows, anything less than that is hardly anything these days, dahhhling.
McCain's plan is also notable for what's not there -- say, for example, a way of restructuring US debt, or a realistic understanding that revenues will be decreasing over the next couple years because of economic conditions, so it's not a static situation.
Bottom line: the US is not going to get out of its deficit by cutting expenses unless, say, you want to cut half the military budget or massively cut entitlements (which, to be fair, may well be what McCain's "private accounts" amount to.) Everyone squeals about how raising taxes is impossible, but the math is real simple—you can raise taxes, or you can borrow the money. Since borrowing costs are going to start rising, probably precipitously, trying to keep borrowing out of a problem caused by living beyond your means already is just going to make the situation worse.
John McCain, in wanting to expand tax cuts, is very much the guy in the hole who instead of saying "first thing we do is stop digging" instead cries out "we need bigger shovels".
And what he's shoveling out of the hole doesn't smell like clean earth to me.
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We haven’t spent the last peace dividend yet.
Ian, saw this at Josh’s place and was hoping you’d take it up.
Just another old white guy with old, tired ideas.
I seem to remember that a line item veto was shot down by SCOTUS once before. Am I right on this, or am I disremembering.
Protest Signs from July 4th:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.....y-4th.html
Hooray Fort Worth, St. Pete!
You can Digg this post HERE
Hi Ian. Love that line!
Just call it McStupid’s economy.
McSFB’s plan for the economy looks like something Grover Bathtub would write.
Yep, during Clinton’s time IIRC.
From Wiki:
If we have been borrowing all the money to pay for the war how would there be any savings by ending it? We still would have pay back the money we borrowed, therefore there is nothing to gained. So we wouldn’t have any additional money to help pay off our deficit. Right? or I getting this wrong?
Heck, I’m trying to get through to someone who thinks Obama promised to take public money for the general election and McSame never did opt in to it …. (Talk about wrongheaded - but all his information is from the MSM, so what can you expect?)
McSame is clueless on a lot of things; you can get some idea of his economic skills by reading the stories coming out about his gambling habits (14-hour sessions at the $15 craps tables? This is a guy who thinks he’s qualified to be President???).
Yeah, we’d just go into debt more slowly…
he’s both delusional and a bs artiste.
Is there a Republic who is not both delusional and a bs artiste? It defines the modern Republic Party.
McCain is a Republican, he supports the main points of the Republican approach to the economy, and it is this approach that has given us our current awful economic situation. Of course, it is not going to make any sense and be skewed to the rich and the corporations.
“Honey? Our situation is dire. We need to do something.”
“Okay, how’s this? Sometime in the next four years, we’ll stop
using our credit cards. And, we’ll turn down that raise I’m scheduled to
receive in 2011.”
“Now, that sounds like a plan! I think I’ll head down to the Iranistore
and do some shopping while there’s still time.”
Bwahahaha!
Dr. Suess might be quite surprised that his characters have been so taken to heart. His language has been adopted by a whole group of people that no longer recognize the english language, and have been forced to use one that doesn’t have finite boundaries.
Jack Kingston (R GA) is delusional, but he’s too stupid to be considered an artiste* at anything, including BS.
*unless you count stupidness as an art form - then he’s a master, and I stand corrected.
So will John and Cindy McCain give up their current healthcare plans so that they can opt into the McCain plan?
That’s a great question, so it will never be asked by the MSM.
Milton Friedman said, “The FED caused the 1929 Depression.”
And the FED will cause our next Depression, say in 2009.
Close the FED and let the government control our money supply, just as Lincoln did to finance the Civil War.
There is absolutely no reason for our government to pay interest on debt.
Close the FED, and the government could save $3Billions/day from day one.
Bottom line: it doesn’t get the benefits of having a single unified insurance system. What it will mostly do is subsidize companies, not people. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but very few people who can’t afford insurance, or who have bad insurance now, or you the insurers won’t cover, will be much better off with this plan.
I think you meant to write . . . will NOT be much better off with this plan? Yes?
Nuclear power is a great idea — just a soon as we know how to decontaminate it when it’s time to decommission, where to store the spent fuel (besides the Savannah River Nuclear Power Station) and what to do when there is an accident. Before that, it’s premature.
Is that true?
I’d like to see some documentation of those assertions.
Store it on the Bush Brush Ranch.
Actually, on the amount of interest we pay daily to the Fed. I have to agree it’s insane to pay interest on our money.
McCain’s economists reject ‘two big chunks’ of his economic proposal.»
The Rethugs just can’t stand it that their friends on Wall Street haven’t been able to get their hands on the SS money.
The McCain economic plan: “Vote for me and all your dreams will come true.”
OT: I just now posted a Dkos diary regarding Obama’s FISA reversal and a timeline of his statements and related events, including links to those statements: http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....466/547691
That’s just more stuff that McCain will not be asked about.
McCain’s electoral strategy is to play to the base like Bush did, and muddy up the waters enough in the middle to keep the election close in states like Ohio and Missouri, both of which he has to win to have a chance at winning the general. He’s not paying attention to his own economic programme, and neither are any of his advisors. This is just to keep the doofus vote on board. The real play is to make Obama look incompetent in defence.
These so-called economic programmes aren’t worth the bandwidth they use up, much less the paper they are printed on. This is the standard Rethug playbook. The thing is, no one is going to get any votes showing how absurd it is, because the people who know that his economics is absurd aren’t going to vote for him on economic issues anyway; they will vote on ’security.’
His campaign is a hail mary pass, but stranger things have happened.
Keep it close and let Dibold do the rest.
Yeah and looking at the economy now, it’s a good thing that they didn’t. I’m sure that the cash from those accounts would have somehow been “diverted” to hide the losses from the bad mortgages and CDOs that they were so happy to get rich off of.
Let’s face it, the entire republican party has been on an orgy of nothing but financial gluttony, war-mongering and lying since 2000 (and before, come to think about it). Damn well guarantee you that their kids will never work minimum-wage jobs, worry about health insurance or want for clean air and water.
About half of the interest that we pay on the debt is due to social security. The federal budget nets that portion out to report interest costs of around $250 billion, IIRC. The actual amount that is due is really around $425 billion.
All that extra money we boomers have been paying to finance our own Social Security is gone. It is lent out to the federal government, who are totally unprepared to start repaying the interest, much less the actual debt.
Absolutely, it is all true.
Private banking is killing our economy.
Government must close down private banking, and take back control of our money supply.
FL went all paper with the last election. The Supervisors of Elections were so bedazzled by all the bells and whistles of e-voting they didn’t see anything else. The people, as usual, had to straighten them out.
zed on McQaeda
Don’t think that either of these guys are going to turn the economy around. Neither will make any changes in the cost of gasoline. Neither will serve two terms if elected.
Tough time to be president.
Maybe FL will have an honest election this time, but Dibold infects other states.
Social Security is still turning an annual surplus which decreases the amount that Clusterfuck has to borrow- IMPROVING the debt. Maybe that’s what you were saying?
That’s true if McCain stumbles into office. It’ll be true for Obama only if he fails to place the blame on the Republics, squarely where it belongs, while he works to fix things.
We’re looking forward to handing Rethugs at all levels their asses on hot platters.
As an example of how goofy this place is, on the 4th in the eastern part of Hillsborough County there were representatives of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (the group with the 30 x 50 battle flag flying in Tampa) were handing out little battle flags, even to AA children, at a local parade. This area is part of the district of state Senator Ronda Storms, who introduced a bill in the last session to teach creationism in schools. It didn’t pass. When Warner Bros was looking for a name for their cartoons, they must have come here. Looney Tunes.
And then there’s DizzyWorld.
Americans have been livin high on the hog and eatin up their seed corn for decades. I don’t see em bein willing to tighten their belts anytime soon without a whole lotta pouting and temper tantrums….thus dooming white house occupants and congress leaders alike.
It could be an ugly decade coming up.
We’ve still got threads dumpin on newly born threads killing em prematurely.
There will be one bright spot if people come to realize that they have been tricked by the Republics and that party ends up diminished or destroyed.
It improves the deficit but increases on paper the national debt. Since these are for future obligations the government would have anyway, the effective national debt is $5.3 trillion not the higher %9.5 trillion.
among repubbles, idiocy seems regarded as a terrible thing to waste.
print it up. fellas. go ahead. double dare ya.
This from the Citizens for Tax Justice:
PDF of Report sayin’ so
Economic growth can come from the war on energy waste- but the beneficiaries are not likely to be american automakers who still appear to have their heads deeply buried up their tailpipes…
Just checked out Opel- GM’s rational child in Europe. They have plenty of the cars that GM needs to sell- but it didn’t occur to GM to import em apparently….pathetic. Now it will take years to arrange to bring in cars that GM ALREADY builds!
Holden, GM’s subsidiary in Australia, has long produced automobiles Americans would buy. There are so many good models the world over that are not imported to this Country. Especially the diesel models. There was an article in the local paper yesterday about a guy who brought an Australian 1981 Diesel Toyota Landcruiser into the Country and bought a kit to convert it to run on vegetable oil. He can get used deep fat fryer oil from restaurants for little or nothing, literally. He purifies it and fuels his vehicle, achieving 28 MPG.
Re McCain’s medical plan. It is widely expected that should anything like that pass, employers will scrap their group plans at an accelerated rate over what is happening now. That is good for insurers, because individual policies are much more lucrative (expensive) than group policies. For policyholders, not so much.
Every time you get an x-ray, the technician leaves the room. That’s all we need to know about nuclear power.
haven’t read the comments yet but to call this idiotic would be to lower the intelligence of idiot.
so, we will fund repayng the deficit by not spening on the the things that only helped to drive the deficit
what kind of moron is this man?
this is like saying;
I bought this house which has added to the deby I created before I bought the house, I have payments because of the house which contributed to the debt I aquired before I bought the house
so, by giving the house away, getting no assets in return for the house, this will devine me a positive cash flow that will pay down the debt I created by spending more money then ever before on a war, getting absolutely nothing back from that war, yet it will fund debt reduction
man, it would be impossible to make this up, if they did it on saturday night live it would flop as a skit for being just too assinine
that’s the idea for these federalists, they do not want there to be buying power for the masses
they want a robber baron society, they are federalists, which the new word they use is “libertarian”
I wonder how the auto industry feels about the president they supported now that his policies have put them out of business
Of course McSame’s economic plan is stupid. All Republican economic plans are stupid unless your are one of the 1%ers club. What’s perplexing is that Americans continue to fall for the Republican nonsense. Talk about stupid!
Non-sequitur. The X-ray tech leaves the room because he or she is exposed on a daily basis and the health effects of radiation are cumulative.
What about all the T-bills, etc. that foreign governments, such as the Chinese own? I don’t think we are in a position to tell the Chinese and the Japanese to take a hike, unfortunately, which some of isolationist friends on the Right have suggested. The communists did this in 1919 too, BTW.
There is a blog post somewhere in the Internets, which I can’t put my hands on, with a photoshopped picture of Bush along with the Presidents of Japan and China right after Katrina saying “here’s your rebuilding package for ya!”
You’re clearly right. What would you suggest?
‘the health effects of radiation are cumulative.’
Cumulatively good? Not.
Primrose noted above the inevitable accidents, and the problem of storing spent fission fuel. Also, nuclear plants are juicy targets for terrorists or other hostiles, and materials for nuclear energy can be diverted into doomsday weaponry.
Nuclear power makes sense only as a lesser evil because of energy scarcity, as it’s begun to dawn on all but the Cheney-ite greedheads that burning fossil fuels is unsustainable.
Scarcity of food-fuel-water is a function of supply and demand. It seems to me that the best approach to energy supply is to reduce demand. Until we address the demand side of the equation, we’re just p*ssing in the wind. The elephant in the room is our population policy, or rather our taboo on discussing population policy.
Yup, ouch. Changed.
I simply don’t see a way to deal with CO2 emissions that doesn’t require nuclear fission for a generation, maybe 2. It’s not ideal, and it’s a stopgap, not a final solution. The stupidity of McCain is that nuclear is precisely used to replace coal. If you’re gung ho on coal, you might as well not bother with nukes.
McCain’s economic plan is the same as Bush’s: Concentrate as much wealth as possible in the fewest possible hands. Bush has been a smashing, stunning success on his watch. His constituency should kiss his feet (even though he’s a wee bit of a political liability right now.) McCain would do just as well. And the dickheads in the media will do their best to make sure he gets his chance.