No passage of Paul Alexander's Machiavelli's Shadow: The Rise and Fall of Karl Rove better exemplifies the central theme of his book--the disaster that results when politics subsumes policy--than this scene from the Katrina aftermath.
On Friday, Mary Landrieu had been with Bush and Blanco as they toured the 17th Street Canal, where, at last, major work had commenced to repair the damage that had been caused when the levee broke. "Then, on Saturday," Landrieu says, "George Stephanopoulos called and asked to do an interview with me, and I said, 'George, I'm tired of doing interviews. I have to work. And nothing you are airing is accurately showing what's going on down here.' He wanted to go to the Superdome, and I said, 'We still have people stranded on their roofs. If you want to tell the right story, I will help you tell the right story. You get a helicopter and I'll go up and I will show you what is actually happening. It's awful what's happening at the Superdome, but the reason the people can't understand the story is because the entire region is under 20 feet of water. People can't get into the Superdome to help. They can't get out. People are drowning in their homes.'
"So George and I went up in the helicopter and for three hours his jaw was dropping. Then I said, 'George, before we finish I have to show you one positive thing because I can't send you back to Washington to produce a story that shows nothing but devastation and disaster.' So I told the pilot to tack right so I can show George the 17th Street Canal and the work that was going on there. I swear as my name is Mary Landrieu I thought that what I saw with the president was still there--people working, trucks, sandbags, everything. Then I looked down and saw one little crane. It was like someone took a knife and stabbed me through my heart. I lost it." There, in the cabin of the helicopter, as they flew above the breached canal below them, Landrieu sat devastated.
"I could not believe that the president of the United States, staged by Karl Rove himself, had come down to the city of New Orleans and basically put up a stage prop. It was like you had gone to a studio in California and filmed a movie. They put the props up and the minute we were gone they took them down. All the dump trucks were gone. All the Coast Guard people were gone. It was an empty spot with one little crane. It was the saddest thing I have ever seen in my life. At that moment I knew what was going on and I've been a changed woman ever since. It truly changed my life."
Alexander's book, told with the hindsight of Karl Rove's recent failures, shows Rove's M.O. over time: the legal persecution of political enemies, the cynical crafting of policy solely to woo key voting blocks, and--as with Katrina--the preference for photo ops over real governance.
With this hindsight, the consistency of Rove's methods become apparent. For example, when viewed against the backdrop of the Siegelman prosecution and the US Attorney purge, Rove's partnership with a sympathetic FBI Agent in Texas, Greg Rampton, to take down Democrats looks like just a preview of things to come.
"I understand why Rove is so successful [said Mike Moeller, one of the guys Rove and Rampton took down in their persecution of Jim Hightower]. He's a take-no-prisoners kind of guy. In an interview once, he described Pete, Bill, and me as collateral damage--and that's just the way it goes." Rove's plan worked, too: Hightower never again ran for public office.
In the end Moeller could see that the investigations being carried out by Rampton usually involved high-profile Democrats. Besides Mark White, Rampton had investigated Hightower, Gary Mauro, and Bob Bullock, the lieutenant governor elected in 1990.
There is, however, a danger in viewing the entire Bush Administration through this kind of hindsight. Even though the book shows Rove's successes and failures--and demystifies many of Rove's claimed successes, by focusing on Rove's methods you turn those methods into the driving force behind all the nasty tricks of the Bush Administration. In a book written after the Libby trial revealed a note recording Cheney first passing on Plame's identity and another note showing Cheney ordering Libby to leak classified information that almost certainly included Plame's identity, there's still this temptation to interpret Rove as the main guy behind the leak.
[quoting Rove biographer James Moore] "The plan was hatched by Rove ... Karl or Libby found out about Plame--I'm still not convinced it wasn't Karl--and [Karl] puts the plan in action ... That's consistently how Rove works. That's what he does."
[snip]
In the end, even though Rove was deeply involved in the scheme and may have been its ringleader, it would be Libby, not Rove, who was indicted.
That said, the book provides a timely reassessment of Rove's legacy. As the McCain campaign's most recent games suggest, we have by no means put the legacy of Rove behind us. So it is useful to have this book out there, showing that Rove was never as important as he made himself out to be, and that ultimately, Rove's grand plans all turned to dust.
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Paul, Welcome to the Lake.
Marcy, Thank you for Hosting this Book Salon.
Good to be here.
I wish Mary Landrieu had “changed” enough to vote like a Democrat!!
Paul, how long did this book take and what kind of sources did you have access to? I seems you were standing there watching everything.
Welcome to FDL Paul.
Thank you for the enlightening write-up emptywheel!
And thank you Bev for setting up another fine book for us to learn about and place on our reading lists.
I do believe that Senator Landrieu was sincere when she said what she said to me about the way the Bush administration manipulated media coverage. But she’s also in a difficult position, being from Louisiana. She’s had to strike a middle ground on much of her voting in order to keep her seat. Her re-election race in the fall will be extremely close.
Paul,
Welcome. Very engaging book.
One thing I left out–couldn’t fit it in–was your anecdote about Rove getting fired at Church.
I’m interested in it–and the anecdote about people talking about WHY Rove got fired–because of what it says about the willingness to air dirty laundry–with Karl (but not, for example, with Gonzales).
Is that because Republicans are grumpy at being taken in by Karl, you think? Or is it just the glea of taking down the all-powerful?
Hi Paul, hi Marcy! This is a terrific book. My question is about the “church” scene. I understand you can’t say much more about it without betraying sources & methods, but I’m intrigued about the reaction you might have gotten, Paul. My recollection about church — although it’s been a while — is that you didn’t do bidness there. In fact, I recall a couple of times my grandfather was mighty steamed about people bugging him in, or right after, church as a town selectman in New England. He used to say, “Can’t that so-and-so wait until Monday? I should be able to attend services without being bothered about business.”
Have you heard any reaction from the very over-churched among Bush’s supporters to his firing Rove right there in the pew? Is their view of church so all-encompassing that they don’t see anything wrong with what Bush did?
(And can you possibly tell us if the firing happened just as they sat down, so that Rove had to sit through the entire service without exploding?)
Thanks for writing this — it was a great read all the way through, and a real contribution to our understanding of this odd, complicated, and (I believe) ultimately failed man.
So do you think that Karl is still running the GOP behind the scenes now and not McCain?
LOL
I guess Teddy’s thinking along the same lines as me.
Wow, I didn’t know Mary Landrieu had such a huge heart like that! Huh. I must have been thinking of another Mary Landrieu, you know, the other Mary Landrieu who did nothing and let the fascist Pigs in the White House dictate her next non-move. Yep, while my family and I were screaming, “Get some effing boats to rescue those people gawd dammit!!!!” and feeling extremely helpless, not much was being done and now I’m embarrassed I had the wrong Mary all this time. *sigh*
We all know Karl Rove is an Evil Charlatan and had no problem staging “the good stuff” to make himself & the Bush Regime feel better about themselves.
As for reporting on Bush and Rove, I first encountered George W. Bush–and Karl Rove–when I went down to Texas in 1998 to write about his reelection to Texas governor. Then, in 1999, I wrote a 10,000 word profile of Bush for “Rolling Stone” called “All Hat, No Cattle”–and that was when I first got a sense of what we were dealing with with Bush and Rove. So I have been watching Rove as a reporter for 10 years. As for “Machiavelli’s Shadow,” I worked on it full-time for the last year and a half or so and spoke with many political insiders in both parties. Interestingly, the people who seem to be most angry at this point are the Republicans.
I understand that Rove’s goal was to achieve Republican political hegemony for a generation. What I am less clear about is what did he intend to do with that power?
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Welcome to the Lake, Paul.
Do we know who Rove’s main influences were? How did he develop the ideas that eventually put Bush in the White House?
Here’s another question I’ve been wondering about.
You trace the rivalry between John Weaver and Rove and argue that Weaver–in the early days–was more successful than Rove.
What do you make of Weaver getting thrown off McCain’s “straight talk express” last year? As I alluded in the post and ThingsComeUndone asks about, it appears that McCain is in the process of embracing the Rove approach. How do you think Weaver is reacting to this?
Machiavelli said something about how it was better to do all your cruelties at once at the beginning of your Rule. If anything Bush loves being cruel and sticking it to people daring them to stop him. Was Rove overruled on this by Bush or is this an instance where Rove puts petty pleasure above Machiavellian pursuit of power?
Welcome to the Lake, Paul,
emptywheel’s introduction shows your book to be a must read.
I confess, Karl Rove is a man I love to hate.
I got a sense of the person of Karl Rove, reading Wayne Slater’s “Bush’s Brain.” It almost seems as if Karl had a crush on George.
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Do you think there was an attraction to George W. Bush in particular, or would Rove have teamed up with anyone who could take him to the heights of power?
Why are the Republicans angry?
nahant, my day would not be complete without you. *g* But I’m real good at following directions.
Thanks for the comments on the church scene. I stand by my source on that scene. Tellingly, so far, I have not seen Rove or anyone in the administration deny that it happened.
On the issue of doing business in church, I don’t think that brief exchange would qualify as doing business. I’m sure Bush knew exactly what he was doing when he made the comment where he did.
On the issue of Rove’s liability, as we know he is still under subpoena from the House Judiciary Committee and is refusing to appear. The administration knew about this and other potential legal and political land mines when Bush asked Rove to step down. If the House can ever get Rove to appear before the Judiciary Committee, I think his testimony would open a number of avenues of future potential investigation.
Welcome Paul.
I LOVED LOVED LOVED this book. I am so happy I could be back in time to join this book salon
I’m tempted to say one is the Perfect Fool and the other is the Perfect Tool.
I’m just not sure which is which.
What are the odds of Rove actually telling the truth when he does eventually make it before the committee? He seems to have some troubles along those lines if the number of times he went before the Plame GJ are any indication.
Problem is (as we were just discussing over here), HJC doesn’t usually get as much out of hearings as we might want.
Bush has not yet invoked privilege for this HJC appearance and I think it’s a much harder case to make than any Mukasey has supported thus far. But even if Rove does unexpectedly turn up on Thursday, it’s not clear it’ll be much more productive than when Addington showed up.
Rove came to Washington in 2000 with the intention of setting up a “permanent Republican majority.” I, too, have wondered exactly what he intended to do with that kind of power–a Republican government in place, according to Rove, for 30, 40, 50 years. But by turning the White House into a 24/7 political operation, more interested in pursuing politics than policy, he eventually did untold damage to the administration and has left his president with the longest sustained sub-par approval rating in modern times. Rove came to Washington to set up a permanent majority and, because of his tactics, destroyed his president in the process. That’s why the Republicans are angry at him: they are going to lose seats in the House and the Senate in the fall, and they are blaming that on Rove.
Just now ordered the book. Can’t wait to read.
Thanks, Paul, for being here.
Paul,
Do you have a sense of whether Rove is actually behind the curtain of the McCain campaign, pulling levers?
The recent attack ads on Obama seem right out of his playbook.
Thanks to all of you guys for the kind words about the book. It’s nice to get immediate feedback from people! Thanks again.
Is Karl Rove shaping the media narrative? It always amazes me that all the GOP talking heads, all have the exact same thing to say, about the exact same issues, which all the TV channels seem to decide is the story to talk about today.
Rarely are the stories covered anything but one sided, is/was Karl with his blackberry messages and White House emails telling the media what to cover or at least telling the GOP talking heads what to say on a given topic?
Ironically –unles the invertabrate Dems in Congress blow it– Rove may have ended up creation a genration of Dem Majority
Thanks SoutherDragon… I do enjoy my time at the Lake and helping is nothing compared to what the Lake brings and give to every one of us PUPS…. aand an online family of like minds… Thanks for the compliment:>)
I always wondered what made him think he could do that (”permanent Republican majority”)? IIRC, they never had much more than a slight majority in the Congress. Hubris?
Two or three people have mentioned the McCain campaign. My understanding is that Rove has no connection with the McCain campaign, officially. Since I know the Senator’s feelings about what happened to him in the South Carolina primary in 2000, I would be surprised if Rove was a part of the campaign. However, there is some evidence that the Republicans are setting up a 527 that will be HEAVILY funded to use against Obama in the fall, and Rove will be in charge of that 527. James Carville has sent out his own fund-raising email contending Rove will be in control of up to $250 million to use to smear the Democratic nominee.
I would add to that why, if they see what the White House political operatives under Rove’s direction have done to the Presidency and the Party, would McCain take these people on to run his campaign? Does the McCain team see only the successes at the polls in 2000 and 2004?
Speaking only for myself here but I think he went a large way along the path of achieving it what with seeding and destruction of DoJ, EPA, and all the other departments and agencies. Disenfranchising minorities and such as well as the re-districting and seeding of the courts.
To me, the only thing that stopped him from achieving his goals was that he tried to implement things too quickly and do too many things at once. If he had moved just a bit slower in implementing his plans, most folks would have let him get away with it.
So yes, hubris plays a large role in whatever failures there are.
It is also interesting to me that Rove has become such a major part of the right-leaning media. I know he would certainly rather still be in the White House, but he sure is making the best of it on Fox. I must admit that I found it a little creepy to see him rattling off all those numbers on primary nights. Is he shaping the media coverage of the race? Not much by his own appearances on Fox. But if there is a Rove-controlled 527 with $250 million of funding, as Carville suggests, then Rove could play a huge role in the fall campaign.
One story I had not known before was that Rove switched idols, from Mark Hanna to Charles Dawes, who went onto be a VP and ambassador to Great Britain.
I’ve always wondered how much stock ROve put in being Deputy C.O.S for policy–and have wondered whether he fancied himself an ideas guy. That anecdote makes me wonder whether Rove took his eye off the (cynical polls manipulating) ball in hopes of turning into a politician himself.
Obama seems to have turned into Republican Light. Sigh.
I would think if he was so friggin’ brilliant he should have seen that this would create a backlash against the Rs. But you’re right, hubris would explain that - just thinking he’s that smart and the public is that dumb.
Is this 527 Freedom’s Watch, Ari Fleischer’s crew? Or is there another one brewing too?
Others mentioned mentors. For much of his career, Rove has said Lee Atwater was a friend and mentor. Friends of Atwater told me that Atwater never really liked Rove and did what he could to stay away from him.
Then, in 2000, Rove compared himself specifically to Mark Hanna, the businessman who helped McKinley become president. But upon getting Bush re-elected Rove now had loftier role models, and began comparing himself to Charles Dawes, who, as emptywheel points out, became VP and ambassador to Great Britain. Was that Rove’s ultimate goal if he had been able to achieve a permanent Republican majority?
What should be the balance between politics and policy?
Did Bush really ever have any policies outside of tax breaks for the wealthy? Compassionate Conservative went out the window after the election so did a humble foreign policy and reaching out to the Democrats to get laws passed.
Policy requires planning to get things done and whether its the war in Iraq or rebuilding New Orleans Bush lacks follow through, sure he is great at staging photo ops as Emptywheel points out. But is that Bush’s fault or Karl’s the lack of execution?
I don’t think the 527 Carville sent out his email about is connected to Fleischer. From what I remember (and I got the email), it was all Karl.
More like a death ray shining on this failed and discredited rethuglian party… Lincoln is rolling in his grave knowing what has been done to the country he loved and fought so hard to keep together and the party he led so valiantly led.
Yeah, that’s sort of what I’m wondering. He IS good at working the media and numbers. I wonder whether he looked around at the folks in the Bush Administration who were thought to be credible on policy and said, “Jeebus, I’m smarter than Rummy. I can do that kind of thing too!”
As I say, I think he was well on the way, what with the compliant R congresses for the first 6 years. But the Irak war was where they went off the rails. If they had been able to restrain themselves from invading Irak, I believe they would have achieved a whole lot more of their goal of the permanent majority.
But by invading Irak, they unleashed too many forces to fully control and even then, it took four years after the invasion and occupation to start having any affect.
YMMV
MSM turned into Rove’s lapdog and he is their hero. Ironically Rove managed to convince the country and even the MSM that the MSM was too liberal, which made them lean even farther right it seems. And when he told them 25% of the country, one out of 4 was an Evangelical, the media bought it and ran with that. Myopic-media as lever for Rove and company created illusions for populace. And all his wedging and coalition building. And a few talking points were the deal breakers for pumped up conservatives. Brilliant, low down gamesmanship.
I don’t think there was any balance between politics and policy with this administration. People complained about the Clinton administration’s use of the permanent campaign, but I honestly don’t think we have ever seen a White House as politically motivated as this one. All decisions were made based almost solely on whether or not the move would advance Rove’s agenda. Ironically, that level of obsession was what ended up doing in the administration.
Well, I also think there’s a fundamental problem with their ideology. The Republicans have evolved under Bush to being a Big GOvernment party–but one who makes a concerted effort to undermine government agencies and instead allows big corporations to implement their policies. If you’re undermining everything that is public government–up to and including oversight of the corporations that are implementing the actual policies–you’re going to have waste, fraud, and incompetence, particularly once you’ve started sole-sourcing everything.
Obama was always pretty far to the right for a Dem. His Senate voting record is very similar to Hillary’s.
That’s why I was so astounded when Move On went for him over Edwards or (was Dodd still in the race at that point?) Dodd.
However, Obama has done a complete 180 on the FISA bill. TPM has a timeline of his previous statements and they are not only unequivocal in opposing both Telecom immunity and also expanding presidential power to spy on us. THAT is a shocking reversal
I agree. These are the times that try men’s (and women’s) souls. Now we need some leaders with said SOULS! Political puppet time … gamesmanship … enough already. We need true statesmanship and someone who appreciates American History 101!!!
Oh I absolutely agree about the abhorrent nature of their ideology. But even with the ideology, they came way too close to achieving their goals and that was WITH the theft and subversion of the government.
I agree Political problems come quick policy problems take time to solve no one in the White House seems capable of long term focus.
I do believe that Rove was on his way to achieving his goal of a permanent Republican majority until Katrina. When the national media was forced to cover that story, it had no choice but to reveal to the public the administration’s obsession with politics and spin as opposed to it’s willingness to govern. After Katrina, Bush’s approval rating dropped and it has never improved. Instead it has continued to slide until it is where it is today. The last poll I saw had Bush’s approval rating at 23 percent, roughly what Richard Nixon had when he resigned from office.
I suspect that Rove’s reaction to Bush Jr was informed by his being a geeky outsider, but I wonder if it didn’t have something to do with the fact that Bush Sr. didn’t have much use for either of them.
If there were ever two men I could see joining up to take revenge it would be those two, and they certainly did make a mighty effort to dismantle or discredit anything Bush Sr valued as soon as they had the power to.
Welcome, Paul. I wonder if the Republicans as a group will take the lesson that Rove’s rise and fall provides, or will it take exile in the political wilderness, which I think is coming for the party.
Also, I suspect there is something in Rove’s biography that led to his choices, which from my perspective, were folly and could only lead to failure. He seems to harbor deep insecurities. Any comment?
Which is another way of saying that–in spite of the fact that Iraq was an even worse failure than Katrina–the extent of that failure and the implications of it for the US haven’t really been covered.
Agree, though, that Katrina made it plain that they were incompetent. I’ve had more than one Republican say, “well, we can’t have the people in charge of Katrina be in charge of [insert policy issue],” only to have to admit that Katrina was a failure tied specifically to the Bush Administration’s policies and personalities.
Katrina and not the Iraq war was the cause for the drop in Bush’s poll numbers? But that would mean that America is a lot less racist now than it was when lee Attwater helped Bush 1 win.
I hope then that Rove still goes with the politics of hate.
Cause Racism seems to be weakening.
I agree with you about Katrina. I think another factor was that the press went into NOLA and saw and reported what was really happening. Then the WH came out with statements that the MSM knew beyond a shadow of a doubt could not be true.
Was it Ted Koppel who asked someone from the admin “don’t you watch TV?”
Their won reporting was being ignored–you betcha THAT got their attention
I do believe that Rove is profoundly insecure, which he masks with arrogance. I also note that there are many Republicans who fear they are entering into a political wilderness. Ed Rollins made a great point to me. He said in the future no Republican will stand and he “I’m a George W. Bush Republican” the way people describe themselves as a Reagan Republican or a Goldwater Republican. The Bush brand has pretty much been destroyed.
Poor Jeb.
That quote should be a anti McCain commercial paired with a McCain loves Bush quote.
Yes, Koppel asked Brownie he he had been watching TV. He didn’t seem to know there were 25,000 people in the Convention Center.
I don’t agree with that. Bush’s approval ratings have always dropped steadily except for exceptional incidents like 9/11 and catching Sadam:
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm
You can see from the graph that except for those jumps up Bush’s ratings fall with a very uniform slope downwards.
When I skimmed Wikipedia re Rove IIRC … his father left the family, he presumed his stepfather left the family and came out of the closet. His mother committed suicide.
He was trained at the hands of Donald Segretti… the rat f*cking champion from All The President’s Men… I remember … so much of these guys ….like cockroaches that become immune to generic products over the years … who came from Watergate era and managed to survive and stay in the game have perpetrated their revenge and their dirty tricks escalated.. the destruction to the constitution and to humanity profound. The neocons. Cheney himself.
Rove working for daddy Bush when he met sonny boy. A match made in hell.
He presumed his stepfather was his father. And then he left the family. Correction.
and George did exactly what with this information?
this is un frigging believable, here we have a president who imitates frigging Nero playing the fiddle while Rome burned, bush playing guitar while new orleans drowns
AND HE DOESN’T EVEN PLAY GUITAR, IT’S LIKE HE WANTED TO IMITATE NERO
and George does nothing with that story?
I am dumbfounded this is the first time I heard the president actually pooled resources for the cameras in Arlin’s and then PULLED resources as soon as the cameras were gone.
and here we have a major news personality who does NOTHING with this ground breaking story!
he sits around and lets the country SUFFER yet more depravity from one of the very WORST heads of states in the HISTORY of….planet earth
They knew they just didn’t care and still don’t care for the common man/women and their children… Just look at all the cuts to programs that provide medical, educational and so many other social programs. A country is judged by how it treats those who are unprivileged and have no means to lift them selves up on their own.. We are failing as a society and history will judge us harshly.
Thank you. That family history is tragic.
If you look at Bush’s approval rating before Katrina, it was above 50 percent, with the unusually high numbers posed as a result of 9/11. Those had come back to normal by the time of Katrina. Following Katrina, his approval rating has slipped below 50 percent and continued to go down. That was the point I was trying to make. Then again, it’s hard to get a grasp on the first term because, without 9/11, it is not clear where his approval ratings would have been around the time of re-election.
Rachel Maddow said that Jeb and McCain are tight and asking Jeb to be VP is just the kind of thing “don’t tell me what not to do” McCain would do… bringing in the Bush name to his campaign. I can’t predict anything any more. Too many fresh hells. But Jeb was the “hero” of the family … everyone thought would climb to the heights.
you know, if this doesn’t absolutely PROVE the president is TRYING to destroy this country, I don’t know WHAT WILL PROVE IT?
it’s as if he took bin laden’s frigging play book and did EVERYTHING bin laden asked to do for success…and we KNOW AS A FACT the president had our forces STAND DOWN when bin laden was cornered, and we KNOW the president was TOLD he would be giving bin laden everything the man could possibly ask for if America attacked Iraq
here we have a man who was NOT elected, he took office in a coup and installed by the legacy of reagan and bush sr, we are a country under seig and if it is not clear this coup is determined to be the RUIN of this country then we have not paid any attention at all
THIS MAN IS A TRAITOR TO THIS NATION and I hold pelosi directly responsible and an accomplice to these crimes
If McCain wants to make sure he can’t win, he should put Jeb on the ticket with him. It will be a long time before the Bush brand is not toxic–if ever.
When I read that Clinton had to testify in court about his mother’s boyfriend’s abuse. And after the trial she turned around and married the guy. I think I got that right. It game me some insight into his complicated attitude toward women.
Young Karl must have felt pretty helpless. He couldn’t have been that much a nerd, since he was voted into offices by his high school peers.
Wielding power later in life his compensation and obsession?
jeb or rice
rice would take away any hope the bigots would come out for pasty white mkkkain
Unfortunately, the electorate has a short memory, and I fear a Jeb run (he’s the smart one! Not like the brother! And yet his name is familiar!) against a weak Dem a decade or more from now, and we could have the same cast of characters pulling strings from behind the wings.
I never thought I’d see Nixon’s henchmen back in power, but…
Jeb has become a very successful venture capitalist. He might not want to give that up. Open question. There are still a lot of Jeb lovers in FL but the majority has had enough of his neocon policies. Like elsewhere the shallowness and greediness of the Rethug led legislature is coming back to haunt them.
Scout prime–which is where I first got interested in this book–linked to a YouTube of the helicopter ride. She writes about what got covered from it too:
Has Rove made any political decisions about military stuff?
I think the electorate has either the worst case of ADD or PTSD … they seem to have lost their capacity for outrage. Pyschic numbing?
Good question.
The Rove youth is certainly unusual. The man he thought was his father (turned out to be his stepfather–his real father wanted nothing to do with him) comes out as gay, leaves his family, and divorces Karl’s mother, who then goes through a series of depressions over the years and eventually commits suicide. The father is so open about being gay he appears on the cover of body piercing magazines, and Karl is very close to the father all the way to the end of the father’s life. But Rove ends up using homosexuality and gay rights as wedge issues in his political career. Clearly, there are a lot of unresolved issues here!
Which is why ACCOUNTABILITY matters so much. We must end this cycle
I believe it was Clinton’s step-father (who adopted him after the marriage) who was doing the abusing. IIRC, it was after the step-father was abusing his mother and brother and Bill was fourteen, that he confronted the step father and forced the abuse to stop.
Political decisions about how to USE military stuff in political campaigns, yeah. Political decisions about military stuff? Cheney’s the Machiavelli in charge of that.
These same henchmen are paraded out respectfully by MSM as valued “pundits”. Every bad deed gets rewarded????
Cheney as Machiavelli is another whole story. I’m sure we will get it some day.
I always figured McCain would either bring in Jebby or Newt to gain some momentum with republicans or the RNC would spring a Jebby/Newt ticket on McCain to toss him aside. Any scenario will be tragic.
I’m sure Turd Blossom still has his RNC blackberry account…! ;-) Aloha, Paul!
Anyone not sickened by Rove can watch his thoroughly failed turn as a rapper here.
Can you tell us more about Rove’s first (failed) marriage?
Sorry to misremember. I do remember being dismayed that Clinton’s mother triangulated young Bill to defend her against the stepfather, I guess, and then, was back being loyal later to her husband and asking him to be to his stepfather, which must have been crazymaking and probably threatening to her protective son. I do remember hearing he had to testify about the abuse in court which must have been scary for a boy.
Joke votes I never voted for high school student government but at my school even the preppies got bored one year and as a joke elected a stoner as President. The Principle was not amused I believe he forced the kid to drop out of highschool.
Karl was probably a joke candidate too, I don’t see football hero, Mr Popularity, etc as his role in highschool suck up to the cool kids yes, and the cool kids set him up to be the butt of a very public joke because even they didn’t like him.
Parts of it, maybe. As you point out, Rove, though he’s usually quite good at keeping himself out of sworn testimony, still may get in trouble bc of Siegelman, Abramoff, and a few other things. Rove may yet pay a price for what he has done.
But in spite of the fact that there are alleged spies in Cheney’s immediate circle, in spite of the fact that he and Libby made the most unfounded claims to get us into war with Iraq, in spite of the fact that he seems to be playing marginally legal games with covert ops again, and in spite of his role in the Plame outing, he seems like he will skate free.
A John Edwards/Karl Rove debate? Now that would be interesting…
http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/384676.html
Oh, and let’s not forget shooting an old man in the face while drunk and having your hunting hostess cover it up until after you sober up.
The Rove agenda domestically and the Cheney agenda internationally. Two agendas, two mammoth egos, working in tandem. Our American nightmare. The mechanisms still running to a great extent.