Well, we’re up to six months of job losses (pdf). The long term carnage in manufacturing had spread to construction some time ago. It has now been joined in administrative services, with admin and support services shedding over 70K jobs. The temp market is drying up, but so is office hiring of all kinds.
What hasn’t shown up on this report, but will be showing up in months to come is a contraction in bad jobs. Starbucks, for example, will be closing 600 stores. That’s a lot of jobs. This won’t be isolated to Starbucks; retail and hospitality of all kinds will start contracting as people shop less and eat in more. With consumer credit being restricted by banks, with jobs being lost and with fixed expenses for heating, gasoline and food going up, the consumer is not going to be able to keep up the spending pace. This crisis didn’t start out as a classic consumer demand recession, but it’s about to experience some significant consumer demand contraction nonetheless.
Governments increased hiring last month, but government hiring is also going to come under significant pressure. State revenues dropped 5.3% from last year, they will continue to drop. Municipal tax bases are going to be absolutely annihilated by the real estate meltdown, which still has at least 2, and possibly 4 years to play out and which will see declines of at least 20% on average before it’s done. As real estate is revalued, tax assessments will crash. Municipal and state governments will find themselves with a lot less money than they’re used to and will be forced to make cuts.
Meanwhile the Feds are going to have lower receipts than they expected. The carnage in the markets is going to lead to a huge decline in capital gains taxes and unemployment will lead to lower than expected taxes on wages and payroll taxes. If the Fed starts increasing interest rates to fight inflation, interest rates will go through the roof. Indeed, even if it doesn’t, the market is likely to start demanding higher interest rates on federal debt in any case. So financing costs will be increasing, even as receipts are declining. If that sounds familiar to oldsters it should, it’s what caused the huge deficits and debts of the late 70’s and the 80’s – declining real tax income plus massively increasing debt servicing costs. Rock, say hello to hard place.
The correct, though counterintuitive, fiscal response to this at this time, is to increase taxation, especially progressive taxation and, at the same time, to trim expenses in areas where there is excessive pork (the military, health care). You then take that money and you use it for a smart infrastructure stimulus. Obama is actually planning to more or less do that, but his plan won’t be sufficient (there’s not enough cutting, not enough of a tax increase, and not enough of a stimulus).
All of this before we get to oil, and the effects that it is having on the economy by causing an inflation/deflation riptide, where fixed costs for food and fuel are rising even as the economy experiences deflation in housing and other assets, and soon, deflation in real wages.
We’ll come back to the oil issue, and how oil is being driven higher by unmanaged demand, dangerous monetary policy and free market fundamentalist beliefs in a later piece.
For now though, things are going to get worse before they get better. So batten down your hatches, what we’ve seen so far is only the hurricane’s outriding winds. We’re far from the eye of the storm yet.
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anybody home?
Hi Ian.
Everyone’s getting ready for the 4th, I expect.
Heya.
Hey Ian!
I believe I saw something in another article that the 600 stores Starbucks was closing was going to be roughly 12K jobs. Not great jobs as you note but jobs nevertheless.
And we celebrate the 4th of July…when we separated from one of our closest allies. Explain to me again why that’s a good thing please?
Well, most all of our current allies were enemies at one time or another. Except for maybe Israel.
Hi Ian. Thanks.
I work for a school system and am almost uniquely qualified for the position I hold, but if everyone forecloses and the businesses shut down, there won’t be enough tax dollars to pay the educators. A scary prospect.
Short version of U.S. foreign policy: Our friends become our enemies an our enimies become our friends.
I have 2 daughters who have worked at Starbucks and those are pretty good jobs – with health coverage. They both really liked working there.
Except for maybe Israel.
The drunken uncle of the ally set?
Or is there enough for a ’set’, even?
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I think 7 percent of the Turks still like us.
There’s liking US and then there’s liking BUSHCO.
Well in this set of allies would surely be the Scottish people, folks from the Loch Ness. You must have heard of the kNess-set.
Read up on the Bakken Oil formation. In Montana & N Dakota. If real, what will this do for us?
ha! But I must report this comment to punaise immediately.
You understand….
Thanks, Ian, for this cheerful post. Like I really needed someone to tell me what I already know – that it’s gonna get a lot worse. Happy freakin’ 4th, everybody.
I can’t help but notice the corporate media is no longer “debating” whether we are “officially” in a recession or not. They’ve just stopped using the “R” word altogether, from what I’ve seen. So as long as they don’t say it, that means it’s not happening? Would love to hear your thoughts on that, Ian (regarding the media’s spin, or lack thereof).
I think 7 percent of the Turks still like us.
Now subtract the people doing business with Cheney, Perle, Hastert, Grossman and Feith, and I’m not sure there’s a recognizable fraction left…..
But I’m hearing that the Loch Ness Monster *loves* us.
And she’s very faithful, you know.
On the eve of celecrating our Independence, some scary, scary shit outta the Federal courts, with a judge ordering Google to turn over the viewing records of all its users with IP addresses, simply because Viacom wants them to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07…..ref=slogin
I’ll be passing out pocket-sized Constitutions tomorrow.
Except when they sank the USS Liberty.
This is my entry 298 which I posted parts of today in a couple of threads but it is relevant here. And too I would like to make jobs a much bigger issue in the Presidential campaign. Most people just do not realize what an awful job Bush has done on this.
The mc’s in my family are from that region. We think of the monster as Cousin Nessie. I’m sure such a fine loch creature could never favor the neocons.
Good loch, Nessie!
Such a small technical detail that they sank one of our ships. I’m sure the media will be all over it.
She’s been looking for the companion blog Firedogloch
loch=Scottish word for lake
The ‘greatest generation’ did their depression as kids. The boomers will be doing theirs as seniors. No winners here.
Move us faster toward the deadly effects of global warming. Finding oil is a double edge sword. We need to move to wind, solar and electric cars ASAP.
Commenter Gus at CalculatedRisk has the word:
Actually…we are down 20% from October — bear market.
We think of the monster as Cousin Nessie. I’m sure such a fine loch creature could never favor the neocons.
Of course. Poorly worded on my part. I never include the neocons when thinking in terms of “us”.
So the real inflation is in the level of bullshit? ;)
If you subtract out the paper profits of the rich, large parts of the country have been in recession for years.
“Read up on the Bakken Oil formation. In Montana & N Dakota. If real, what will this do for us?”
There’s oil stuck in all kinds of places. Getting it out is sometimes incredibly easy, and other times incredibly difficult. We are running out of the incredibly easy stuff that we know about. As prices rise, the difficult stuff will start to become viable to produce.
Take oil shale, f’rinstance. Colorado has a lot of it. But it is expensive to extract. Eventually, prices will rise to the point that it will become worthwhile to mine oil shale. As the price rises, these more difficult deposits will become commercially viable. This process will keep on happening until large scale alternative sources of energy become cheaper. Then we’ll forget about oil.
Bob in HI
I understand the stock market is in fact down 20 percent and it’s now a bear market. However we don’t get to call it a recession because Dick won’t let George use the word. George probably thinks it has to do with recess, anyway, and that was after all his best subject.
Michigan’s been in recession since 2003/2004 roughly. The rest of the country is finally starting to catch up. I don’t expect to get out of it for some time, either. I’m still job hunting as i have since february for something in pharmacy but it’s harder as wages get squeezed as they are. Not a lot of places hiring.
Wealthy Colombians, some Venezuelans who reside in the US, and Miami Cubans like Bush’s America too.
I think these wells ar going to be a disappointment. Huge reserve estimates, but low porosity and extremely low permeability will make it difficult to recover a significant portion of them. The wells are not inordinaelty deep, around 11-12,000 feet, but horizontal drilling after that is expensive. All the wells wil need to fraq jobs. I would expect the wells to cost maybe in the 3-5 million dollar mark and return a couple of hundred barrels each.
lol Hugh!
That’s a couple of hundred a day.
I’m afraid ‘Kobe’ won’t like it. The Scots are a bit too Celtic, and Kobe recently had a bad experience with those sorts. But I think he probably agrees that there are monsters in those lochs that ought to be locked up.
Bob in HI
Did you see where Bush recently curtailed development of solar energy projects on federal land?
The LA Daily News had a story today about the mayor’s proposed layoffs. Seems that they’ve managed to ‘find’ jobs for all but about half a dozen of the 700 who were supposed to be laid off.
I don’t know how many of those jobs are real, and how many are just make-work to keep them busy until next spring, when we get to vote on the mayor again. I do know that the city has not-enough of some jobs: their construction projects generally take three times as long as comparable private projects, because there’s nobody working on them most of the time.
Two year moratorium on granting permits for solar projects on federal land. Somehow ‘wtf’ just doesnt cover it.
BTW the NYMEX futures price closed today at $145.42. The Cushing spot price was $145.29. selise told me today that Levin said he had inserted language in the Farm Bill to close the Enron loophole and put both it and OTC trading under the control of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission (CFTC). I looked at it and while it gives the CFTC the authority it doesn’t tell the CFTC what to do with it and gives the CFTC 9 months to come up with a rule to regulate electronic trading and 6 months beyond that to decide what are and are not legitimate trading venues. So while it addresses the issue, it doesn’t really address the issue in a timely fashion or take steps now to end the current abuses.
Bush said solar is still experimental (not viable).
Meanwhile, ASTI Ascent Solar Technology was rewarded a big contract for Military Solar energy projects.
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Just stopping by for a quick hello and as usual a great post from Ian… I hope things don’t get as bad as the last turn down…. things are tough enough as it is… with gas and energy in general taking such a big bite out of our income… what will it be food or fuel??? what a decision to have to make:>(
WSJ officially called a bear market today. Don’t know if they’ve admitted a recession yet.
Who will benefit from burger-flipping jobs when no one can afford burgers? Who benefits from being a Wal-Mart greater when no one can afford any more chinese plastic crap? But, hey, good that Rush gets $400mil — all the more sex toys he can buy. The rest of you, not so much.
He subsequently backed off – I think yesterday. But, if I recall correctly, there is an issue about the BLM? having to deal with pre-existing applications to
exploituse fed lands before getting to the solar ones.Two year moratorium on granting permits for solar projects on federal land. Somehow ‘wtf’ just doesnt cover it.
Easy. Georgie hasn’t figured out how to get oil out of the sun yet.
Never fear, I’m sure he has “top people” working on it…
The real problem with shale is that most extraction processes use a lot of water.
Growth is being boosted a 1/2% by bush stimulating checks, take that out we could be in the negative.
Yes, just another day in Bush La La Land.
What the hell, how needs water? We’re fine here. Everything is cool. Fear not — except, of course, fear those darned terrists!
I don’t do typo corrections anymore…..too task-intensive. Figure it out.
Whew — good thing there’s plenty of water everywhere.
Think they might let us come back?
Was reversed today… they will again take applications for new projects on Fed land…. wonder whose tit got stuck in the ringer over that one???
Bushco is trying to get out of office without calling it a recession.
Resulting crash (depression) will be the Democrats’ fault. So what’s new?
Well, yeah, that too.
Bob in HI
link on cancellation of moratorium:
http://www.startribune.com/nat…..fer=Nation
It’s Clinton’s fault! I heard the mantra early on…….just kinda stuck in my cranium.
Thank, for the link, egregious. I just read where solar is back on the table. Looks like BLM has been holding up the permits. 130 plus permits backlog – so Oily Bush can give Big Oil first dibs.
Re stimulus checks,, did you see this?
President Bush Boosts Porn Industry With Economic Stimulus Checks …
Can they recover the water and reuse it for same purpose?
I’ve pondered that the last couple of 7/4, why exactly does it make sense to celebrate our severing ties with our closest friend except for Canada, eh?
Well Bush has been jerking off for 7 1/2 years. Looks like he got tired of doing it alone.
Yeah, at least someone is benefitting. I guess I put my retirement funds into the wrong investments.
It’s a question of semantics. eCahn and I got into once about this. The National Bureau of Economic Research is often seen as the arbiter of when a recession begins or ends. Since it’s work looks backward and you need two quarters of negative growth for a recession, they can only tell you that you are in a recession 8 months or more after you already know. I agree that the Bush stimulus had less to do with helping the economy and more to do with helping Bush’s legacy by technically avoiding the definition of a recession at the end of his term.
Damn! You found me out… ;~P
Not much and I have read up on it; one thing about barrel of oil prices being high is that it enables very diffuclt extraction to be VERY profitable instead of minimal(reasonable).
Bottomline is the american lifestyle is going to have to change and it is going to be very painful for a lot of people.
so Oily Bush can give Big Oil first dibs.
preliminary reports coming in that Sunoco has the early edge…
That’s hard data I suppose.
Bob, the prices ARE already there; look at what’s happening in Canada. Of course they’re trashing the environment but what the hey.
Not sure. You would have to look at the charts, study the curves.
Not in Calif.
You’re probably right. It’s the best way to stay abreast and see if anything bottoms out or comes to a head.
Here’s something that hasn’t got a lot of exposure and is consistent with Ian’s point about government revenues:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..134356D99.
DTL
Read it and weep.
Aloha,Ya’ll! I see ya noted the ‘Starbucks Effect’, Ian…! 8-)
Another lurch to the center:
Obama: Mental distress can’t justify late abortion
Oh what? So now he’s a physician too?
The definition can be more flexible than that. They changed the rules for the last recession, after all. Don’t think much of NBER.
Seems like Obama’s physician skills are equivalent to his constitutional law skills.
Obama is not a lock step social progressive.
He is more progressive economicly.
He *is* a politician – make no mistake.
Naw, just a pander bear. But at least we all know what we’re getting…
Seems like Obama’s physician skills are equivalent to
his constitutional law skillsBill Frist’s…(?)Me either. Or to put it another way,
You don’t need a weather man To know which way the wind blows
especially when it blowing a hurricane.
On topic – Attendance at the “Taste of Chicago” summer attraction/rip off is down 50% this year – and it’s not because of bad weather – it has actually been pretty nice here with most of the sever Mid Western weather occurring to the North and South of the City.
Nope – people don’t have the coins and/or gas.
there be whales upstairs, captain
If you read the article, it is a change from his previous position.
McSame (of all people) will charge him with flip-flopping again, like he did about Iraq withdrawal earlier today. And the media will lap it up.
His economics advisors are pretty conservative. They’re at U. Chicago. Not Milton Friedmaniacs, but behavioral economics. It’s an interesting field for some purposes, but not a macroeconomic field. As I’ve been able to figure out so far, their application to problems such as medical care is pretty conservative. Give incentives & folks will react in the predicted way. Of course, no real world tests of how much the appropriate reaction would be. Thus, maybe only a few more people would buy medical insurance with the right incentives, far from the 50 million who are uncovered.
Correction noted & happily accepted. A perfect analogy.
Some of us managed to become independent without fighting a war over it.
We are at that point where we are beginning to learn more about Obama by those he keeps around him, and the more I learn the less I like about him. Nothing like replacing Bush economic ideologues with Obama economic ideologues.
*gasp* you wouldn’t ever want to leave, would ya ?
We let you have our best Hockey Players and Entertainers, even though you pay them
with your devalued currency … *g*
Can I live there in the summer and in Cali in the winter?
… only if you take me to Cali in the winter too … *g*
Canary! Canary!
After next week, you’ll need an Updated version and there won’t be much left, to pass out. Amongst the likes of DiFi and others, Obama is selling us out too. It’s not possible for me to be more disgusted.
My sister wants badly to buy a house. I am trying to talk her into waiting. She is a paralegal in New Orleans. Her job is secure cause she works for a bankruptcy firm. Should she wait?
Because of the effect of Katrina, can’t give generic advice on that. I just don’t know how that market is doing. Most places in the country right now I would say to wait 2 or so, possibly more, ubt not sure about NO.
Our close ally wasn’t in 1775-1776. The monarch was like our current unitary executive. The king’s agent with one warrant could come into whole neighborhoods and conduct search and seizure. Kind of like now except it’s much worse.
A competent astrologer could be very useful with a question like that.
Thanks Ian.
touche