Christy has put in tons and I mean tons of hard work finding out where our elected officials are going to appear over the fourth of July holiday. It seems some of them (*cough Diane Feinstein cough*) are using the "terrorist threat" to refuse to let their constituents know where they will be.
National security is a convenient excuse for so very many things.
But Christy was dogged, and thanks to her efforts (and those of our fabulous readers) we now have almost 40 events set up across the country where you can join together with fellow like-minded FISA buffs and tell your member of Congress in person exactly what you think of the upcoming capitulation they plan.
A few suggestions for birddogging your representative:
SAMPLE QUESTIONS
- The Senate will soon be considering immunity for companies that helped President Bush illegally spy on Americans. Do you think the President should be able to collude with corporations to cover-up his crimes—does our constitution allow the president to be above the law?
- Will you join Senators Feingold and Dodd in standing up for our constitution by filibustering any legislation that lets president Bush and the phone companies off the hook for wiretapping American citizens without a warrant?
- Alternative phrasing of the second bullet: We need you to show backbone and not help Bush's cover-up. If these lawsuits get thrown out of court, Americans may never know how far Bush went in breaking the law by spying on innocent Americans. Will you join Senator Russ Feingold's filibuster of any bill that gives retroactive immunity to phone companies that helped Bush break the law and spy on Americans?
TIPS:
- The main goal is to get the senator to answer a question on our framing. There's a natural 1-2 punch. First, get them to admit that it's not ok for the president to break the law and work with companies to cover illegal activity up. Then, ask if they'll join the Feingold/Dodd filibuster.
- The tone of questions should be serious, but not angry. Of course we're all very passionate about these issues but it's important to always be calm and polite when you're talking to your senator. If we're seen on video as angry/disrespectful hecklers, that just helps our opponents and distracts from the Senator's answer to our questions.
- Keep the question short, and only ask one question at a time. The longer you go, and the more questions you bunch in, the easier it is for them to not answer your question.
- Do follow up. If the senator doesn't really answer your question, succinctly say, "That wasn't really the question. The question is..."
- If the senator answers the question in a way that leads to a natural follow up, be sure to ask that follow-up question succinctly.
- Try to have multiple people ready to ask questions. If ground was gained in the answer to one question, the next person can use that to ask a follow-up.
Oh, and bring a video camera. We want to share your experience in all its YouTube glory.
We've also got some real cool tools for calling you Senator to see where they stand on stripping retroactive immunity out of the FISA bill, and a place where you can enter their response (since Harry Reid isn't going to whip for it, I guess we'll have to do it ourselves). If you'd like to paste the tool on your website, instructions are below:
Instructions: Highlight the code inside the box. Press Ctrl + C to copy it. To publish this somewhere, press Ctrl + V to paste the code. Sharing this image will spread the word.
Glenn Greenwald points out today that the courts are laughing at the excuses raised by our members of Congress for selling us out. It looks like someone needs to tell them in person...
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Jane! (((Christy)))
Suggestion
Bring a back up tape recorder that is hidden in case your camera is broken. Because the Democrats do know the value of video on the net Macaca gave them Jim Webb.
Nothing within 100 miles of me! Rats!
Boxturtle (Betting our elected officals won’t take many more questions once FISA comes up)
I am still having the same problem I had yesterday. The tool does not recognize my zip code.
Time for some serious whip-
asscount!Hmmm….the tool *does* recognize an adjacent zip code (an even smaller physical area) so there’s just a leetle bug somewhere…
when there is a lull in the fisa fight (not saying it will ever be over), a have a suggestion - that we lobby our senators to hold regular town hall meetings all over their states (like russ feingold does).
this hiding out from constituents sucks big time - for every issue - not only fisa.
senators ought to be embarrassed by the lousy job they do if they are never available to answer questions.
No event within 100 miles of me, either. The Chickenshit Twins, Martinez and Nelson, don’t want to get near anybody who won’t pat them on the back and tell them what a great job they’re doing.
[dugg]
Did I read somewhere (or did I dream it) that Martinez may have a problem in getting re-elected?
Oh, my. “Inherent contempt” in an offical letter. Think he’s serious?
Boxturtle (I somehow doubt he’ll push it)
Yep, those guys aren’t showing their mugs around me, either. I’ll be on the phone with Nelson’s office on Monday. I’m still working on what my strategy will be. Any suggestions are welcome.
senators ought to be embarrassed by the lousy job they do if they are never available to answer questions.
Senator Feinstein has made a career out of hiding from us. I’ve tried to track that poor excuse for a Senator down for two years without success. I’ve been to her local office on several occassions when she was supposed to be there only to find her schedule had changed. She just doesn’t care about being accountable to us at all.
The DSCC and DCCC can kiss my ass in the county square at high noon.
It seems some of them (*cough Diane Feinstein cough*) are using the “terrorist threat” to refuse to let their constituents know where they will be.
If Diane is this paranoid maybe the people asking her questions should bring bail money and have someone know where they are at, and have an expected time after the event to call in that they are safe.
If a person goes missing call all the local police, FBI etc and ask for that person’s whereabouts the police used to have a game to avoid giving someone a chance to make bail where they would move a person from police station to police station but never keep him there long enough to give him his phone call.
Also have witness at these attempts to question Senators who appear to have no connection to you and are standing well away from you but they may have hidden video/sound recording devices on.
The purpose is to prevent Diane or any Senator from claiming that their Security responded to a rude blogger they thought was a Terrorist and accidently broke his/her camera, tape recorder and nose.
After all if Diane is willing to lie about a terror threat to have a stress free 4th, well I have no doubt that she would exaggerate a bit to the police after all she is Senator just who do you think the police will believe?
I don’t think he’s up for re-election until 2010 but yeah, I’ve seen that he’s not polling too well right now. Like many others, he’s tied closely to the Bush family and they don’t have a good odor in Florida these days. And that most def includes Jeb as I understand it.
He’s in big time trouble. He’s managed to piss off just about everybody in the state, regardless of affiliation. His stance on immigration sealed his fate with the Latinos. Son of a bitch has been a sleazy worm since day one. Nelson’s not much better. Fuck ‘em.
Any suggestion I might have prolly get ya arrested.
And jut because, Whip It!
Video of my friend Dennis Zaki encountering Don Young about FISA the other day in Anchorage.
and - OT - a video a friend of mine turned me on to of a dog on Kodiak Island trying to fetch a whale!
I can’t wait for the next election for the legislature. These clowns have played the Jeb/Rethug game for so long that folks are furious at the Rethugs. Their mouthpieces come on the local TV talk shows with their talking points and almost get laughed off the show. I guess they have no awareness of how foolish they sound.
We hapless California progressives mean zip to DiFi, who in truth strikes me as a good ole rethuglican in rather bad drag. Her constituent service has always been dreadful, unless of course you are a major donor. With luck she will not seek relection.
OMG - what an incredible video.
That’s because, just like the Inside the Beltway crowd in DC, all they talk to is each other so they continually reinforce their biases and stupidity.
And then are shocked SHOCKED I say when they find out that most folks don’t like them or care for their inanities.
When the true impact of this year’s budget hits all the local governments, people will be screaming even more. In our county, they are trying to raise an independent fund of $350,000 (in less than two weeks!) just to keep art and music instruction in the public schools at the full year instead of being cut to half the year. Cuts to police and fire protection can’t be far behind because of the roll-back in property taxes.
I didn’t vote for her the last 2 times. She is most definitely a DINO. Her husband is a war profiteer and they have every reason to support the republic cause.
Congress wants to have the civil suits heaved out of court because they don’t want the public to know that the civil remedy is illusory. It’s not they’re afraid of telecoms losing the suits or state secrets being revealed, the game is rigged so neither of those two events can happen. What Congress is afraid of is the public realizing the remedy is hollow and the game is rigged.
Great Catch EdwardTeller the first thing Don Young asked was who was with you video recording this ( Congress is scared of video).
The second important thing is that this guy had GOP taking points all ready to go.
GOP talking points
1) blame trial lawyers its all about money
2) the Government asked the telecoms to do this they are not to blame, later Don admits it was the Executive branch that asked the telecoms to do this
3) the Democatic leadership came up with FISA and this was the best bill we could get
We need to come up with some counter talking points now!
ET: do you know what kind of whale that is?
But they’re certainly not going to do anything about the enormous tax breaks they gave to corporations that send the bulk of their money out of the state. I think they’re also gonna be surprised when all these amendments put on the ballot by the religious wingnuts go down the tubes.
And then we have folks like Paula White and her nutjob husband.
It is most likely a juvenile Northern Minke…
man, I like the way this is framed;
I’m gonna add;
if someone in the telecom community colluded with the adminsitration to gain vital information they can use to manipulate law makers, should they get immunity for that?
I’m sure the telecoms can locate her in no time!
She’s *cough* my senator *cough* too.
Where does the quote come from?
Fortunately, I don’t believe I’m related to her. Thanks for that link. It’s a hoot (or should I say toot?).
It’s the first one of the “Sample Questions” in Jane’s post above
LOL, I never even thought of that. Ol’ eagle eye, that’s me.
Guess I read a little too fast, thanks.
For folks who may have the opportunity to visit DC and are looking to get DiFi’s ear, this might be the ticket.
She hosts a Constituent Breakfast when senate is in session. click on the link for more details.
Hope it helps. You need to sign up, so go to the linky if you have the opportunity.
Heya — I had them check the tool for your zip code yesterday. It is recognizing it — there just isn’t anything in your area for it to display, apparently. Same with several other folks who were having issues yesterday. If you get a blank box as a response, it’s because there isn’t anything in your area that has been entered, as yet.
If you are getting an error message on the zip code that says “not a valid zip code” — let me know about that at ReddHedd AT firedoglake DOT com. I had the tech crew check every zip code reporting at error to me yesterday, and all of them were functional ones in the system backstage, they just didn’t have local entries within a 100 mile radius, according to what I was told. HTH!
Back to the salt mine. bbl.
Namaste
the first quote is in janes post, the second I made up in my own head
1) its all about trial Lawyers and money no terrorists will not be able to sue but regular Americans can sue why because this program was illegal now if Bush wanted to obey the law and convince a FISA court he needed a warrant then there would be no lawsuits would there?
1) a Anticipating an Objection/lie from the GOP but..but ..what if the FBI needed a wire tap right now to catch the bad guys! Well then wake up a FISA judge in the middle of the night. Or doesn’t FISA allow for wire tapping for 24 hrs without a FISA judge signing off on a warrant? ( I’m a little hazy on this point)
Conclusion Wire taping on regular Americans yes we can sue its our right!
The White House made the telecoms break the law fine then the Telecoms can save their own skins at trial by testifying to that fact.
We need a lawsuit to find out just how many Americans were spied on a few hundred mistakes fine who cares?
A few thousand and we start impeachment proceedings even if we have to vote Nancy out of office!
Now then a few million and the entire Bush cabinet, the heads of the Justice Dept, FBI and CIA all get held for questioning no bail to make sure they can’t flee.
Law Suits are necessary to find out if Bush spied on and how many regular Americans he spied on illegally because Congress is not doing its job to investigate.
Nancy and Congress it should be noted had no problem stopping the FBI from searching a Congressman’s office after he had been caught taking bribes I wish regular Americans had the rights Congress does.
” Some animals are more equal than others” George Orwell Animal Farm
Thanks for the tip but the timing is way off.
The Senate will soon be considering immunity for companies that helped President Bush illegally spy on Americans. Do you think the President should be able to collude with corporations to cover-up his crimes—does our constitution allow the president to be above the law?
hehe…I am going to have fun personalizing this quote, I am going to change my bold to;
helped president bush and anyone else who worked for him to gather information they might use to manipulate the stock market?…that they might even sell data they gathered to terrorists?
I’m gonna have tons of fun with this I have to say
Where are you guys wanting to collect video? I have some footage of a confrontation with Mark Udall at Denver’s Pride event on the 22nd
Udall Confrontation
I had to heavily edit it, as people did not want to be on camera. Any tips about that too?
The Senate will soon be considering immunity for companies that helped President Bush illegally spy on Americans. Do you think the President should be able to collude with corporations to cover-up his crimes—does our constitution allow the president to be above the law?
Sounds like witness tampering Bush makes sure that there is no lawsuit and the telecoms stay quiet about who Bush spied on. Bush might be running a statue of limitations clock but if he can retroactively make stuff legal then wouldn’t the legal remedy be to extend the statue of limitations?
Bush is not the only one who can gimick laws creatively.
Well, I didn’t know if anyone could catch her when they all return from the fourth…or something. Grasping at straws when playing Where in the Nation is DiFi? our invisible Senator.
Serious thanks for all the work that went into this. Of course, some of us don’t have Senators or Congressmen.
Uh. Mah. Gawd. I may have to steal that as a series of posts to shame her into making her public events schedule for her public business on the public’s dime…um…public.
to gather information they might use to manipulate the stock market?
Given how Bush fails at everything he does the Bushies trying to manipulate the stock market might explain why the stockmarket is so low.
I’d like to ask them why they think ‘trust me’ is an valid answer to any question we ask.
Every time we try that, every time one branch of government decides to trust the word of another one (*cough* executive branch *cough*), we find out that there’s illegal activity by those who asked for that trust.
(Hell, no, I don’t trust them.)
Jane, did her office really say “It seems some of them (*cough Diane Feinstein cough*) are using the “terrorist threat” to refuse to let their constituents know where they will be.”; if so the ‘terrorists’ she must be referencing are her constituents(of which I am one). There’s certainly no DHS ‘flag’ alert.
She KNOWS her constituents are against her position on HR6304 but she KNOWS better than them because she sits on the Senate Intelligence Cmte. AND thinks that it is the government who should be being sued, not the telecoms(she only gets her salary from the ‘government’ not her re-election funds.
And they certainly don’t want to renew the Protect America Act they voted into law (currently active and won’t expire until August) because it does allow warrantless wiretapping and they don’t want to be held accountable for that vote.
Actually, I’ve thought for a long time that they likely were using the information they gained not to manipulate the market, but to make money off it in untraceable ways. Think of a CIA front company with a little operating cash. They get a “tip” from NSA on a big move coming in a company that does international business, based on information “hoovered” through the datasplitter, and then are able to buy or short a stock in a move guaranteed to make a bundle of untraceable cash. Makes me wonder how many covert ops are being funded this way, and how many spooks will be able to retire soon to sizable nest eggs in Swiss numbered accounts.
no public events for diane watson in l.a., per her office. gave my thanks for her FISA vote over the phone instead.
Given the new computer technology and computer search programs that just look for catch phrases to sort through data think about how many times you might have talked about Ossama, the war in Iraq, anthrax attacks etc on the phone to a friend, well the search programs probably locked on to you and millions of Americans.
Assuming of course that the Feds were not already listening to you because you read the Lake.
Oh wait what if the FISA deal is to protect the President from lawsuits by peace groups and or bloggers from being illegally spied upon? If we can’t sue we can’t find out now can we?
Besides Nixon Darth’s tragic hero never spied on peace groups only Commie Front Groups!
I believe cheney is documented as having shorted the dollar, I don’t have a link though
Jane, did her office really say “It seems some of them (*cough Diane Feinstein cough*) are using the “terrorist threat” to refuse to let their constituents know where they will be.”; if so the ‘terrorists’ she must be referencing are her constituents(of which I am one). There’s certainly no DHS ‘flag’ alert.
It would be great to ask Diane about wether there really is a terror threat to her person or is she abusing her office on the Senate Intelligence Cmte for her personal gain a 4th without Bloggers.
I wonder if we can hold Bush, Gonzo and Diane personally liable for actions that are an abuse of government powers which are in no way excused by their job.
Could that be what they are all afraid of?
Can you please also add this link to the entry? It’s a new petition that Senator Feingold and DFA are organizing in order to put pressure on the other senators to vote against the bill. We need to spread this around, folks.
http://www.democracyforamerica.....m-immunity
Here’s a dKos diary about it: http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....131/545992
think of this jim;
I have two ideas that will make cars more efficient, one is an obvious design mechanics have missed but will definately help, the other design is a concept which would need infrastructure to support but the framework is there and it would just need software written
these two ideas would add between 10 and twenty percent efficiency to highway mileage
now, I have not emailed or documented these ideas, they reside in my head
but suppose I had a conversation with someone about these ideas, there is no way I would ever be able to trace a theft if a telecom or a bush aid used that data and developed these inovations themself
these are the real reasons we need privacy protection, not to guard against revealing secrets embarrassing to us but to gaurd against revealing property we are most proud
That should be illegal if its not then we need to run that fact as a TV ad against McCain we do not need another four years of VPs shorting the Dollar.
just signed:)
Given the new computer technology and computer search programs that just look for catch phrases to sort through data think about how many times you might have talked about Ossama, the war in Iraq, anthrax attacks etc on the phone to a friend, well the search programs probably locked on to you and millions of Americans.
Most Americans who don’t care about FISA assume that they were not spied on we need to change that perception.
There is no “terrorist threat.”
If the “terrorist threat” was a small fraction of what the Bushies claim it to be, either:
A> There would have been terrorist attacks in the past 7 years, or
B> The Bush administration would be crowing about the massive and sinister plots they have foiled.
I mean, there’s a terrorist threat, but it’s kind of like the ‘lightning threat’.
In practical terms, it doesn’t exist.
LOL. Feel free to borrow whatever you can find! *g*
I was tempted to go to one of the breakfasts a couple of years ago but i had a load of 8th graders with me who were more interested in taking videos of each other and the other tour groups…sigh.
Thanks so much for your hard work. I just added the ‘raise your voice’ box to my blog.
It’s amazing to me how the corporate media have completely helped the Bush admin. and pro-immunity folks in Congress frame this issue in such a disingenuous way- to call it the terrorist surveillance program is a joke- it’s vast data mining in violation of the 4th Amendment and John Adams, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are spinning in their graves right now.
Nice work, Jane and Christy. The dems have done so little to hold Bushco accountable; this FISA immunity is perhaps the most cowardly capitulation of the past 7 years, there’s so little benefit and all the “harm” has already been inflicted.
Thank you for the tool. I’ve posted it at my own (very new) place!
This just came up on HuffPo:
I don’t think anyone will like this one bit. Especially not Glenn.
He again promises to support Dodd, Bingaman and others in trying to strip out telco immunity, but repeats his bogus justifications for the rest of the FISA bill.
As usual I can’t make the link tool work right:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....view=print
Didn’t even identify the author– it’s Barack. He put up a defense of his FISA position about ten minutes ago on this HuffPo link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....view=print
I’ve thought the same thing. Secret wiretapping has lots of potential for making big bucks. Those in the know get the “tips” and the movers and shakers get “useful information” for dealing with reluctant congresscritters. Nice work if you can get it. The whole bunch not worth a fart in a wind storm.
A simple hack into their machine putting up a message on their monitor would work. Just sayin’.
In his HuffPo comment half an hour ago, Barack said the same old shit as he did on June 20 right after the House passed that fake Hoyer/Cheney “compromise.”
Glenn Greenwald debunked exactly this bogus justification. The so-called “important surveillance tools” are the orders allowed under the Protect America Act (PAA), which will begin expiring in August. But the PAA was a bogus, corrupt, tyrranical disaster, which Congress passed only because of White House intimidation last year. Barack voted against PAA, as he said in the HuffPo comment. Now he wants to preserve the illegal orders that PAA allowed.
Barack is just talking out of both sides of his mouth. It gets worse the more he repeats this shit.
swopa a couple of flights upstairs
Leader. Leader, my ass. This guy, and he’s not alone by a long shot, couldn’t lead a pack of hungry wolves to a fresh carcass.
The comments to Barack’s remarks over at HuffPo about FISA are fairly lame, but I don’t have a log-in at HuffPo so I can’t go straighten them out.
OTOH, I do think he just showed some snappy leadership talent by coming out for a second press conference today on Iraq, and saying he never changed his plan to withdraw from Iraq in 16 months, and that McCain just misinterpreted his earlier press conference.
The only event near me involves the Bush twin, Dave Reichert, Darcy Burner’s opponent.
Where are Patty Murray, Maria Cantwell and Norm Dicks hiding?
I just heard that portion a few minutes ago and he hemmed and hawed quite a bit.
It might be rigged, but we’re a small step toward the goal
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07.....ref=slogin
Thank you Jane and Christy,
I have blasted all local San Francisco Bay areas activists, Open Gov groups and local journalists about Feinstein’s Terrorists Duck on FISA.
If I get the chance, I’ll definitely ask question number 2 (will you support a filibuster?) and hope Leahy doesn’t equivocate. He doesn’t need persuasion on the rectitude:
http://ga3.org/campaign/fisa