Comments on: White Supremacists and the Anti-Immigration Crowd http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/ Firedoglake weblog Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:29:31 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Larue http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524987 Larue Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:33:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524987 <p>Sounds a lot like Watsonville!!!</p> Sounds a lot like Watsonville!!!

]]> By: Larue http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524986 Larue Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:32:53 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524986 <p>Lyell? Ritter? Banner?</p> Lyell? Ritter? Banner?

]]> By: Larue http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524985 Larue Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:29:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524985 <p>Mr. Wolf? *G* </p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANPsHKpti48" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANPsHKpti48</a></p> Mr. Wolf? *G*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANPsHKpti48

]]> By: Larue http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524980 Larue Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:22:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524980 <p>I’ve had August pack trips in the early 70’s in Southern Sierra’s where it snowed at 9K when ’stuff’ rolled in.<br /> Outside of both Wishon OR Cortwright Reservoirs.</p> <p>I’ve also had it snow, 6 inches, at 11K, just outside of Tuolumne Meadows, Yosemite Park, up the Lyell Canyon.<br /> This was late June, um, likely ‘72 or so? And we were JUST off glaciated snow pack prior to a turn up to a saddle at 12,500 just off Lyell Peak. </p> <p>If I was going above 10K in the Sierra, ANYtime of of year, I made sure I had snow goggles, iceax, rope, clothes and bag and tent that could HANDLE lo to mid teens and snow . . . . it’s just too easy to die up there.</p> <p>We would always spend a day at 3-6K, then another day at 7-9K depending on where we were catching a trail head . . . acclimation was a must, even in my early 20’s . . . at 55, I can’t fathom going straight up to 10K, and functioning well . . . . much less heading out for any higher on foot . . . some of you folks in here are TOUGH old birds, still!!! *G* </p> <p>Great memories of mountain times folks, thanks to all . . . </p> <p>Of the topic, I can’t say anything nice about them folks, but I WILL say to those who would put BushCo’s Follies and our impending doom above racism, perhaps you could explain that to Medger Evers, Michael, Andrew And James, and the countless others of all colors (and whites) who have suffered from the likes of the KKK, CCC and WCC. And still do, to this day. </p> <p>I will not abide that kind of personal belief when exposed to the public or upon someone in my presence. </p> <p>What you do in your own home is your business. Bring that hate and bile into MY sphere of being, yer gonna HEAR about it. It should NEVER be tolerated in any way, shape or form. </p> <p>It’s evil, and it’s thousands of years old in its forms . . . because we DO let it go on . . . </p> <p>Harumph.</p> I’ve had August pack trips in the early 70’s in Southern Sierra’s where it snowed at 9K when ’stuff’ rolled in.
Outside of both Wishon OR Cortwright Reservoirs.

I’ve also had it snow, 6 inches, at 11K, just outside of Tuolumne Meadows, Yosemite Park, up the Lyell Canyon.
This was late June, um, likely ‘72 or so? And we were JUST off glaciated snow pack prior to a turn up to a saddle at 12,500 just off Lyell Peak.

If I was going above 10K in the Sierra, ANYtime of of year, I made sure I had snow goggles, iceax, rope, clothes and bag and tent that could HANDLE lo to mid teens and snow . . . . it’s just too easy to die up there.

We would always spend a day at 3-6K, then another day at 7-9K depending on where we were catching a trail head . . . acclimation was a must, even in my early 20’s . . . at 55, I can’t fathom going straight up to 10K, and functioning well . . . . much less heading out for any higher on foot . . . some of you folks in here are TOUGH old birds, still!!! *G*

Great memories of mountain times folks, thanks to all . . .

Of the topic, I can’t say anything nice about them folks, but I WILL say to those who would put BushCo’s Follies and our impending doom above racism, perhaps you could explain that to Medger Evers, Michael, Andrew And James, and the countless others of all colors (and whites) who have suffered from the likes of the KKK, CCC and WCC. And still do, to this day.

I will not abide that kind of personal belief when exposed to the public or upon someone in my presence.

What you do in your own home is your business. Bring that hate and bile into MY sphere of being, yer gonna HEAR about it. It should NEVER be tolerated in any way, shape or form.

It’s evil, and it’s thousands of years old in its forms . . . because we DO let it go on . . .

Harumph.

]]> By: Hugh http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524840 Hugh Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:29:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524840 <p>Elwood: Illinois Nazis.<br /> Jake: I hate Illinois Nazis.</p> Elwood: Illinois Nazis.
Jake: I hate Illinois Nazis.

]]> By: Dearie http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524838 Dearie Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:26:13 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524838 <p>Okay, but some time in the future, let’s us do the discussion without the nazi lead in. I’d love to really talk about how to deal with the influx of unregistered folks and the plusses and minuses of their residency. Love your stuff. Be well.</p> Okay, but some time in the future, let’s us do the discussion without the nazi lead in. I’d love to really talk about how to deal with the influx of unregistered folks and the plusses and minuses of their residency. Love your stuff. Be well.

]]> By: bobschacht http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524832 bobschacht Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:14:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524832 <p>I’ve had two family members (brother, and sister’s husband) helped me to move on different occasions, and we barely survived the ordeal. Fortunately, I’m still on speaking terms with both.</p> <p>Bob in HI</p> I’ve had two family members (brother, and sister’s husband) helped me to move on different occasions, and we barely survived the ordeal. Fortunately, I’m still on speaking terms with both.

Bob in HI

]]> By: bobschacht http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524830 bobschacht Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:10:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524830 <p>Oy. My first intimate acquaintance with a certain young lady was somewhat spoiled by chiggers. My first introduction to the correlation between dalliance and pestilence. </p> <p>Now, you don’t suppose there’s a lesson there about political infatuation, do you? Like, maybe, after dallying with Sen. Obama, the new Senate FISA bill is like getting chiggers?</p> <p>Bob in HI</p> Oy. My first intimate acquaintance with a certain young lady was somewhat spoiled by chiggers. My first introduction to the correlation between dalliance and pestilence.

Now, you don’t suppose there’s a lesson there about political infatuation, do you? Like, maybe, after dallying with Sen. Obama, the new Senate FISA bill is like getting chiggers?

Bob in HI

]]> By: David Neiwert http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524826 David Neiwert Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:07:57 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524826 <p>Again, that’s because so many of the people who presume to speak for those workers (see esp. Lou Dobbs) are in fact indulging in racism and the propagation of old racist-right bullshit.</p> Again, that’s because so many of the people who presume to speak for those workers (see esp. Lou Dobbs) are in fact indulging in racism and the propagation of old racist-right bullshit.

]]> By: David Neiwert http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524824 David Neiwert Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:06:31 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/02/white-supremacists-and-the-anti-immigration-crowd/#comment-1524824 <p>Oy. A proper answer to that would take all night. But in a nutshell, there are two major components: A) Ordinary citizens standing up to hate speech, hate-group activities, and being counted in general; rendering moot, in other words, the oft-held belief of white supremacists that they represent the “unspoken will” of the community; and B) a rigorous law-enforcement approach that has no tolerance for bias crimes and a skillful intelligence-gathering component that respects their free-speech rights.</p> Oy. A proper answer to that would take all night. But in a nutshell, there are two major components: A) Ordinary citizens standing up to hate speech, hate-group activities, and being counted in general; rendering moot, in other words, the oft-held belief of white supremacists that they represent the “unspoken will” of the community; and B) a rigorous law-enforcement approach that has no tolerance for bias crimes and a skillful intelligence-gathering component that respects their free-speech rights.

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