Blue America is launching a call tool today to help you get in touch with Senators regarding the FISA bill. We're trying to make it as easy as possible for everyone to talk with their Senators about the importance of standing up for the constitution, the rule of law -- and standing against telecom immunity.
We have been working hard to put together some tools to make your voice heard -- and there is more to come today.
This first tool allows you to directly contact Senators to tell them to stand up for the rule of law and vote in favor of the Dodd-Feingold-Leahy amendment. (That's S.A.5064 to H.R. 6304 which will come up for a vote on July 8th, 2008.) Not only will this tool help you phone your Senators -- including connecting your call -- but it also gives us the ability to track positions on FISA given your input on what you ascertain during your conversations.
As the ACLU recently said, "no president should have the power to monitor the phones and emails of Americans without a warrant, and telecommunications companies should not be let off the hook." The laws apply to presidents and cronies alike, just like they do to the rest of us. We want to give you the tools needed to tell your Senators just that. And for you to be able to do so today.
We've decided to launch this in support of the Dodd-Feingold-Leahy Amendment to strip telecom immunity from the bill. But your conversation with staffers isn't limited to just that amendment -- we want the Senate to stand up for the rule of law, and we want to give you an opportunity to tell your Senators just that.
Sen. Russ Feingold has a fact sheet about the current FISA bill that contains useful information on the various problems with the bill.
If you don't want to use the tool, but still want to make calls to your Senators, here's a suggested script as a starting point for your calls:
For Senators who support civil liberties:
"Trust us" just doesn't cut it as a constitutional protection. In the vote next week on H.R. 6304, Sen. _________'s voice is essential for upholding the rule of law and the vital role of Congress and the judiciary in our system of balanced government. Stand up for liberty by voting in favor of the Dodd-Feingold-Leahy Amendment.
For Senators who tend to waver/oppose civil liberties issues:
"Trust us" just doesn't cut it as a constitutional protection. When the Founders established our government based on the rule of law, they specifically wrote the constitution and the Bill of Rights to apply equally to the highest officeholders and to regular citizens alike. In the vote next week on H.R. 6304, uphold the vital role of Congress and the judiciary instead of rubber stamping an imperial presidency -- it's how a patriot would act. Please stand up for liberty by voting for the Dodd-Feingold-Leahy Amendment.
PS -- Tools like this don't come for free. If you would like to donate to Blue America PAC to help us fund more action like this now and in the future, you can do so here.
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Nice tools. I wish I had a Democratic Senator. No amount of phone calls will help me with my two dummies…Mitch McConnell and Jim Bunning.
Awesome ReddHedd!
Awesome BA!
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Great job!
I like this.
Thank you.
Is a print option coming for making easier hard copies of your awesome FISA posts?
[dugg]
Off topic
I just got an email from Harry Reid asking which Senate candidate should get the Give em Hell Harry PAC money. Any suggestions on which progressive needs the money most? I was going to vote for Franken but I seem to remember from this website that one of the Udall’s was progressive. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Which candidate should the GiveEmHellHarry.com Community Support?:
Mark Begich
Kay Hagan
Jeff Merkley
Ronnie Musgrove
Jeanne Shaheen
Al Franken
Tom Allen
Mark Udall
Tom Udall
Mark Warner
Hi Christy !
Let’s keep calling until they do the right thing people !
You can use a custom stylesheet for that.
As a native Kentuckian, I understand your pain. But as a current resident of Texas, I see your McConnell and Bunning and raise you Cornyn and Hutchison.
And I see that “Give ‘em Hell Harry” is missing a Dem Senate candidate that could most likely use the money, Rick Noriega, going up against “Big Bad John” Cornyn.
At least he didn’t put Lunsford on the list. I guess that’s a small consolation.
Maybe compare and contrast with the BA candidates.
Morning all — hope you guys find this tool useful!
Thanks for link. Looks like I’ll select Tom Allen.
One thing at a time — I’m already behind on sleep from working on this and the other stuff we have coming up later today. *g*
Yeah, you’ve got it pretty bad too.
I agree that at least Harry didn’t add Lunsford. I still can’t get over all the Democrats in KY backing Lunsford instead of Fischer. Fischer was so much better…he got 38% of the vote even though all the politico’s and the CJ were backing Lunsford. Now all we can hope for is a Democratic version of McConnell.
oooohhhh…can’t wait to see what you unveil later today.
I am a little confused - if I fill out the tool’s form does that mean I would be connected to Cornyn/Hutchison(my senators) or to waivering Dem senators ??
sorry. just don’t want to waste our precious resources
If you use the tool — it will automatically give you the correct script based on what we know about that particular Senator’s position at this point.
I posted this to the Obama FISA group.
Someone asked that you include this url on the whip count tool:
http://get-fisa-right.wetpaint.....you+can+do
Here is the Obama group [SenatorObama PleaseVoteAgainstFISA]
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Here is the Facebook group [Senator Obama - Please, No Telecom Immunity and Get FISA Right ]
Ditto, except here it’s Isaksen and Chambliss. Sigh…
correct: no amount of phone calls would help with either of those two
However, Letters to the Editor of both their hometown papers does help - I do it all the time with Cornyn and Hutchison, and they actually get published about half the time
This tool rocks! I have 2 dem Senators, however, 1 of them is a DINO.
You should really thank Jane — she’s been working her butt off on all of this. We’ve been really busy putting this tool together and some other tools for action as well– and you’ll see why by the end of the day today.
Excellent. So realistically, when are we going to be able to have an impact? Today and tomorrow, and then next Monday?
I’m suspicious that they’re going to rush this bill for a vote on Monday, to prevent opposition a chance to build.
The vote is scheduled on FISA for July 8th — as I said in the post above. That’s per a consent agreement, so any change in that would also have to be by consent, I’m pretty sure. So we have between now and the 8th to push on this — as we’ve been doing for several weeks already. (well, really, since December of 2005 when we found out about the illegal domestic spying by the NSA.)
There are a lot of mis-impressions (possibly lies) about the FISA bill(H.R. 6304 aka The FISA Amendments Act of 2008) currently before the Senate:
— Obama says it is ugent and restores FISA.
— Olbermann says it renews FISA.
— Jonathan Alter says: “So there was tremendous urgency to get the FISA court back into the game. And … it [HR6304]restores the Constitution,”
— Diane Feinstein says that its passage is urgent, because otherwise: “surveillance on certain foreign targets to expire, which would lay the Nation bare and decrease our ability to identify and protect against terrorist threats.”
This Dkos diary has further background, this one has links to the original sources for the quotes above.
– The vote is scheduled on FISA for July 8th — as I said in the post above. That’s per a consent agreement, so any change in that would also have to be by consent, I’m pretty sure. –
All of that is correct.
Thanks, Christy and my thanks to Jane too! You guys are wonderful! I’m a longtime reader of Firedoglake and more recently I’ve been commenting a lot more. The day someone first turned me on to the Lake was a very good day for me and I’ve enjoyed this site ever since. I also want to thank you for providing links to Greenwald, Digby and Marcy. I read their blogs througout the day too.
Thank you so much for this! It confirms what I kept thinking - why do we need this bill passed at all? The original FISA is in full effect and working just fine.
Diane Feinstein says that its passage is urgent, because otherwise: “surveillance on certain foreign targets to expire, which would lay the Nation bare and decrease our ability to identify and protect against terrorist threats.”
She is one of my senators, she only pretends to be a dem. She has a vested interest in war. Her husband is a war profiteer. We’ve always had the ability to listen overseas.
I have called her several times over the last two weeks and I get a different story each time. I called a staffer this morning to ask about the Dodd amendment. The Senator hasn’t taken a position on it. What a shock.
Oh - and the likelihood H.R.6304-FISA would pushed ahead to July 7 is nearly zero. First, it’s a first day back from recess, and the day (the 7th) starts at 2:00 p.m. Second, the Senate is already under a separate UC agreement that has a 5:00 Monday cloture vote on the motion to concur in the amendments of the House striking titles VI through XI of the Senate amendment to H.R. 3221 (Housing Bailout)
Oh, sorry, I thought Monday was the 8th. Okay, so next Monday we should basically smoke their phone lines.
I knew you would have the full schedule skinny. *g* Thanks much!
Somehow these nonsensical talking points have gone unchecked and unchallenged. The overall meme is that Bush is holding two hostages mutually antagonistic hostages:
— FISA/the Fourth Amendment
— Surveillance of terrorists
His ransom for both is immunity for his hencemen and permission to continue doing what he has been doing “since August,” namely violating the Fourth Amendment. H.R. 6304 of tremendously urgent else he’ll kill the hostages and the terrorists will kill your children. And otherwise sane adults are buying into this boogey-man story.
I just called my LieberDem senator (Stabenow) using your new gadget. :^) This is awesome. Thanks to all involved. I love it!
I wouldn’t say they’ve gone completely unchallenged — we along with emptywheel and bmaz and Glenn and Kagro and McJoan and a host of others have been on this since December of 2005. The media and a whole host of people in Congress, though, don’t seem to be picking up on details.
It’s beyond frustrating.
Glad you like them — we tried to think of a way to make it as easy as possible to let your Senators know what you were thinking on this. So glad it worked well for you!
FISA - prelude to No Knock activities directed at those who oppose US domestic and foreign policies.
totally lost in facebook -
how does one comment on a post ? (yes, I’ve signed in and joined group)
Oops! Yes. I meant in the mainstream media. And I apologize for th omission. The work here and by Glenn and elsewhere has been superb. I’d be banging my head on the wall if it weren’t for the fine work of the blogsphere.
But the misstatement, non sequiturs, shuck-and-jive, and outright lies by the pundits and politicians have been nothing short of appalling.
Co-sponsors of the Dodd amendment - Mr. FEINGOLD, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. REID, Mr. HARKIN, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. SANDERS, Mr. WYDEN, Mr. KENNEDY, and Mr. DURBIN
don’t forget this bit of conflated flim flammery from the kewlest campaign evah !
“This was a deliberative process, and not something that was shooting from the hip,” Mr. Craig said. “Obviously, there was an element of what’s possible here. But he concluded that with FISA expiring, that it was better to get a compromise than letting the law expire.”
link
– But the misstatement, non sequiturs, shuck-and-jive, and outright lies by the pundits and politicians have been nothing short of appalling. –
That state of affairs isn’t limited to FISA.
In the Facebook group you post to the Discussion Board and Wall if I understand you right.
Distinction:
— FISA of 1978 as amended over three decades is a very good thing.
— The FISA Amendments Act of 2008 (HR6304) turns FISA cuts many holes in FISA giving the president leeway to violate the Fourth Amendment — a bad thing.
Cool tool. Not so good result. Bill Nelson’s office doesn’t know what he’s doing. He is like, against immunity but like, wants some kind of like compromise (???????). She said they were getting alot of calls on this. So I’m surprised they haven’t come up with an articulate response.
I work nights and when I come home from work I sometimes leave messages for my Dem Senators or Congresspeople (though I may start calling the Repubs, too). It goes quickly through the toll free operator. I also notice that when I call during the day I am often asked if I am a citizen of that particular state or asked for my zipcode and wonder if my call is thus minimized. I wonder on my very late voicemail messages to them, do they know where I am calling from due to technology or am I included in the constituency.
It is good to have a fact sheet and I am sure the more detailed our message the more on top of things we sound. Thank you.
I am encouraging my network to make FISA calls before July 8th… and after the disappointment with Obama’s stance, am glad people are pushing forward.
I also want to object to the funding by the Gang of 8 of covert ops in Iran at the end of 2007. $400 million handed over secretly.
thanks !
finally figured it out
The good news is that if they haven’t come up with a canned response as yet, he likely hasn’t made up his mind. So more calls on this issue to nudge him in the right direction would be really useful. Thanks for the heads up!
The order of votes on amendments will matter too - as a means of holding Senators accountable for their positions. The “best” order has the “strip immunity” amendment last - so the Specter and Bingaman options are not available. That is, a Senator can’t rationalize voting against “strip immunity” because a better option is available. Once the other options are off the table, the choice is more stark.
Cool!
Yeah. There’s a couple more days. I was surprised that he’s gotten so many calls. Nobody down here really cares about this. So I guess people like us have been very active. I’ll call back Monday. Should I call Martinez or is that a waste?
I don’t know of anyone finding fault with the original FISA.
We’ve already seen DOJ and possibly other agencies spying on the activities of groups such as the Quakers. To think that the government will not continue spying on these groups, using the 2008 FISA as justification if caught doing so, is as best naive. If I were part of the leadership of any group planning to protest at Denver I would be remiss if I didn’t take all precautions against such intelligence gathering. The city of Denver is mobilizing for these protests as if it were a military operation.
I wish I could build a hotter fire under friends to pick up their phones. I urge them to, but FISA does not get them excited enough to call. Maybe it is the … well, I have done nothing wrong… let them monitor me? But I need to focus on myself following up.
It is amazing how many voicemail messages I can leave using switchboard number and pressing redial. Also, on voicemail you can speak your mind and not get cut off. And I feel satisfied I did something after. Sometimes the voicemail is full or off… Clinton and Obama often full, Feinstein has local number, Webb is off during off hours. But most you get through.
Did you call Bill Nelson? Were all the knowledgeable people at lunch when I called??
There were two areas that had legal loopholes that needed amendment in the original FISA bill based on recent tech innovations. And no one was objecting to them being amended that I know of, frankly. But the wholesale changes demanded in PAA go way too far…and are likely unconstitutional in parts under the warrant requirements of the 4th amendment.
– I don’t know of anyone finding fault with the original FISA. –
To so-called Terrorist Surveillance Program is incompatible with FISA. I believe a substantial fraction of the public has fallen for the “international call, one end terrorist, there should be no need for a warrant,” and those people have at least that problem with FISA.
It’s hard trying to impress the importance of defeating the 2008 FISA to people whose world view extends no further than their arms can reach.
Senator Martinez may be a little more receptive now that he’s having trouble getting re elected
– There were two areas that had legal loopholes that needed amendment in the original FISA bill based on recent tech innovations. –
I don’t believe the administration when it says FISA prevents capturing foreign/foreign communications routed through the US.
As for the TSP, “international call, one party terrorist” scenario, FISA would have to be amended to include terrorists in the scope of warrantless surveillance under 1802; but even then, the administration likely objected to the 1802 reporting requirements.
Not today I haven’t.
What a great tool! I love it and will pass on to my distribution list for sure.
Yeah. That surprised me. Pleasant surprise. Taking on chairmanship of Repub Nat’l Committee while he was a senator pissed off some people.
Some history in the “I bet he wishes he hadn’t said that” department, April 12, 2000 statement by NSA Director Lt. Gen. Hayden to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence:
Hayden’s complete statement of April 2000 is worth a read, to obtain general background.
There was one in particular that came up due to a FISC ruling. Glenn covered it pretty extensively a while back — I don’t have specifics at my fingertips at the moment, though, to paste in, but will see if I can pull a link on it in a bit. I know in the times I’ve spoken with Feingold and Dodd’s folks about this, they both agreed that there were some small areas that needed amendment due to legal issues that had come up — but none of them were enormous. None required a full overhaul or immunity — that’s the Bush Administration’s attempt at yet another executive branch power grab.
Wow, cbl2, an NYT article that quotes Glenn, Jane, and Markos! But then comes this lying S.O.B.:
That is a FUCKING LIE.
FISA of 1978 was passed thirty years ago and has been amended many times since.
The Protect American Act (PAA) was passed in August 2007.
The PAA expired in mid-February 2008, when the Democrats in the House found some last-minute spine, much to everyone’s surprise.
The year-long surveillance programs authorized under the PAA begin expiring August 2008 and all will have expired by mid-February 2009.
The White House urgently wants this passed so that they can continue those unconstitutional programs beyond August, and of course they want immunity for the henchmen.
Let me repeat: FISA IS NOT EXPIRING.
You know, Craig is an election law specialist — not a national security guy. And I wonder why the campaign put him out to speak on this, because he was poorly informed on that.
These people don’t care about the law. Using Denver as an example, if the “authorities” can disrupt the organizing of protests by using illegal means what do they have to lose? Being sued after the fact by the ACLU, for example, won’t turn back the clock to the convention in Denver. These people haven’t given a rat’s ass for the law for at least 8 years. Why should they worry about it now?
What’s expiring is FISC “endorsement” or participation in what has been euphamistically referred to as the TSP.
In shorthand, “the TSP would expire.”
Well, if was constitutional (lawful, whatever) before, it’s lawful now, and it’ll be lawful if this bill is rejected.
Thanks, SD. Yeah, people act like trying to save the constitution is a cute little hobby/obsession with me. Or say the thing about there is just no time, they wish they have time. Or probably roll eyes with another political email from me. I need to be patient but committed and walk the walk myself. But I see what numbers can do. Like so many friends said they were “thinking” of going and working for Edwards and regretted they hadn’t gotten into gear soon enough. Timeliness matters for sure.
– There was one in particular that came up due to a FISC ruling. Glenn covered it pretty extensively a while back — I don’t have specifics at my fingertips at the moment … –
All anybody has is speculation, because we don’t have the requests for orders, and we don’t have the rationales for rejection by FISC.
I think the best generalization is that FISC balked at concluding “international calls, one party terrorist” fits in the FISA framework. I agree. It does NOT fit in the FISA framework, as a matter of a “basket warrant.”
I have the same 24-hour day as did Einstein and Beethoven. It’s what I do with it that matters.
For fellow firepups a bit late to the lake today be certain to digg this suberb post by Christy for at last count this has received 25 diggs and if we can get it up to the magic number 30 we can help kick it up for dramatically wider readership it so richly deserves. Just do it - simple & takes less than a minute of your time and a great habit to embrace on FISA and other urgent time sensitive issues.
Thanks for the great new tools Chrity et al. This makes it sooo easy.
But . . .
Although still no public position, it looks like DiFi is strongly leaning to voting for the FISA House “compromise.” From her office paraphrasing: ” Given a choice between the Protect America Act which the Senator finds flawed, and moderized new FISA bill, she will vote for the newer version.
I heard the same meme: “It’s not perfect but . . .” Is there a talking points memo going around?
Woo hoo - 30 diggs and counting! ((((((((((Christy))))))))))
thanks! you were right, very easy to do.
had heard it was difficult with Firefox - way not true
digg pups digg !
The phrase willfully obtuse once again comes to mind. :})
here is another related digg
http://digg.com/politics/Anti_.....ma_Website
Fabulous tool — thank you so much!
nuther related digg:
http://digg.com/politics/Story.....s_National
Got an e-mail from Dodd too, w00t!
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Stop my pounding heart! So appreciate your comment for I had simply given up on DiFi after the oh so discouraging contact with her SF and DC staff last week. Back to the phones!
Every time I try the tool on either Safari or Firefox 3, it fails. After I fill in my email, name, callback and zip code and hit submit, I end up on a “Welcome to your new Drupal website!” page. I’m fairly sure that isn’t what’s supposed to happen. It happened before I had a firedoglake account and after i created one and logged in. It happens with Ad Block Plus active and disabled, with NoScript in full force and with everything temporarily allowed.
Seems broke.
JimB.
Ooooh! Not broke here.. must be YOUR system, JimB.
::Fans face:: I got TWO calls from Christy Hardin Smith! (swoooning)
Boxer’s office was closed; Feinstein’s poor Adam is overworked and feeling our wrath just about now - said feinstein is looking at the various amendments now and will make her decision before she votes; just not YET.
Sorry you are having trouble — worked fine for me today using Safari on my iMac. Will have the tech crew check to be certain there isn’t some hiccup…