ITMFA!

Fitz!

Help us!

man scarecrow, I love your posts

could you do me a favor?

I am going to bookmark this entry, could you add a link and source for this statement?

burning out all of our extra troops, resources and attention on the Iraq “surge”

would help consolidate for my tubes trolling other sites

here’s a link, I am sure there are some better

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101030901/

Why do they ask him and why does he appear?

Joe doesn’t dare go home to CT so he’s always hanging around DeeCee and the bookers know they can always get him.

He appears because he loves the limelight. They give it to him. He will soon be irrelevant so he’s decided to go out with a bang—though to us it really is a whimper.

Putz.

Morning, Scarecrow.

ah, here’s a better one;

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7725427/

WASHINGTON - After years of combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. military is seriously limited today in its ability to fight in other major conflicts.

Mornin’, Scarecrow

I’ve noticed lately when “Read the rest of this entry” is clicked I get a full page ad for NetFlix or something. Annoying.

Short Ride is a Very Serious Person to the corporate media. Never mind that he’s a moron.

And dday lays out how the media will go after Clark today re McSame as CiC. I think Clark is perfectly capable of taking care of himself, but will the rest of the dems get the memo?

please, now more than ever.

He will soon be irrelevant

rev, there are more and more Iran noises comming from the adminsitration, let’s cross our fingers, hold our breath and if there are elections let’s pray we have more votes then the machines can flip

must earn, see all later

I’ve been hearing you and your message for a long time. I don’t disagree. I am more despirited right now than I’ve been since Ned lost the general to this asshat in 06.

I had very high hopes we would overcome till obama did what he did on fisa

I do not feel as energized as before and while I could not possibly vote republican this round, obama has taken the wind out of our sails and plenty of peeps are gonna stay home thanx to that decision from his camp

I wish someone would get the message to him;

“yes, the democrats will still vote for you, however some who would have voted will now stay home”

and the decision will LOSE him swing votes not gain them…bad, bad move on his part

off to work

The first WTC attack was done by “al-Qaida”, you know, The Base of the Bush Family & Friends who use this group to disrupt world markets and to illegally attack and occupy oil-rich nations to benefit their deep pockets! So yes, the first WTC attack in 1993 was done by The Base, because George H.W. Bush was pissed off he lost the election that year. But hey! They all got what they wanted in 2001 when The Group as a whole ignored the big attack that was coming on 9/11, because quite frankly, they were giddy with excitement and couldn’t wait to get back into Iraq!

This is why George H.W. Bush & Ronnie Reagan never talked about al-Qaida publicly in all the years they were in the White House. Airing their dirty laundry is not something right wingers like to do! Spit.

Intelligence reports for more than a year had been streaming in about Osama bin Laden’s terrorism network rebuilding in the Pakistani tribal areas, a problem that had been exacerbated by years of missteps in Washington and the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, sharp policy disagreements, and turf battles between American counterterrorism agencies.

from the regroup link above

what’s so sickening, it didn’t have to be this way — it was obvious it didn’t have to be this way for some time and yet still, no Impeachment possible. None of the perps will face justice.

my bold

I’m thinking that lots of us will get gas masks and go to the polls. Great photo op for the morning news. He won’t lose the vote but he won’t gain any $$ or volunteer hours from the activist core. When I think of the time and money I put out helping Ned. . . . . . no regrets, but O will get bupkis from me.

Thanks Scarecrow.

scarecrow

ps, we find out, we have already declared war on Iran WITHOUT the approval of congress, the president has approved covert and overt action supporting Irans insurgents and supporting assasination

pelosi, hagel and others have said if the president tries to attack Iran without their approval impeachment WILL go on the table

yet the table remains bare

it seems as if our democrats have corrupted themselves and are on board with this despot

heaven must step in and help us, those we charge for the cause have abandoned our constitution and their oath

Sorry, the link above that says “Scarecrow,” was supposed to say digg

well we do dig Scarecrow ;)

Teh Google has lots of stuff under “breaking Army” or Army “overextended” or Gen. Casey and others saying “Army is out of balance.” In the Army study of the war released today, the same point is made.

thanx scarecrow, I didn’t think to google “breaking the army” and those terms

be good to put one of those right in

burning out all of our troops,

anyway, I find it impossible to quit your threads scarecrow, here I am running late again, for work

trying to close laptop lid

c all L8tr

Sorry, but I don’t have any control over the pop-up ads. And I hate the ones that jiggle around; that’s really annoying. There are pop-up blockers, I’m told, but my techiness is only one generation better than McCain’s. I’ve heard of the internet.

Not always, but really annoying, along with those ‘rollover’ ads that appear whether you’ve rolled over them or not, and won’t close when you tell them to. (That stuff slows the pages loading something fierce.)

I wasn’t directing that toward you, Scarecrow. Sorry. Was just an observation. I know we’ll have to live with them. It brings bucks to the Lake. Capitalism today sux.

These seem to be programmed to bypass the popup blockers. I’ve noticed that NetFlix seems to be the most prevalent on a lot of sites, not just here.

That stuff slows the pages loading something fierce.

You got that right.

High on my things that annoy me list is the “search” box at WaPo; every time I move the arrow thingy there, it rolls over two or three WaPo links to stuff I don’t want. Almost as annoying as their op ed pages.

have not been able to shut down computer and I must post this;

Documents Klein obtained, along with conversations he had with colleagues, suggested that 15 to 20 other sites such as this were in other offices across the country, ABC News reported. The documents, acquired by Wired.com, were submitted as part of a 2006 class action lawsuit, currently awaiting further action in the 9th Circuit US Appeals Court, filed by the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

“[Wednesday]’s vote by Congress effectively gives retroactive immunity to the telecom companies and endorses an all-powerful president,” Klein said. “It’s a Congressional coup against the Constitution.”

and obama is on board…why are the democrats doing all this for the president?

it bodes that they might know something is up, this is pretty scary stuff going on

I use Intego’s firewall which means I don’t have to see any of that. Makes for a much happier viewing experience here and all over the web. I’d rather give money to FDL than watch the ads anyway.

and then there is this

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. congressional leaders agreed late last year to President George W. Bush’s funding request for a major escalation of covert operations against Iran aimed at destabilizing its leadership, according to a report in The New Yorker magazine published online on Sunday.

we have been betrayed, along with our constitution…what the hell is going on

I need someone to throw me out, I have to go to work, bye all

Here’s the deal. Lieberman is so desperate to be part of the in-crowd — any in-crowd — in order to appear important and relevant, he will sell his soul to lowest bidder. Democrats don’t want you? Well, then, suck up to BushCo, babycakes. I have never understood how Gore was persuaded to buddy up with Holy Joe. What was he thinking?!

Another point is that those ads pay for our squirrels and treadmills. Feed the squirrels; don’t feed the trolls.

You are hereby dismissed for now.

Gonna have to look into this squirrels and treadmills thing. Sounds like unfair labour practices to me. Have to check with the IWW. *g*

Thank you.

as dangerously out of touch as lieberman’s foreign policy proposals are, i’m not sure the dem leadership makes much more sense.

i mean, does anyone really think that at this point, “refocusing instead on Afghanistan” by sending in more troops and killing more people is really a wise idea?

it seems right now there are two choices before us: put more effort into controlling our colony in iraq or put more effort into controlling our colony in afghanistan.

more choices please.

Totally with you on the jigglies. Somehow, they have found a way around pop-up blockers. I don’t mind Netflix too much but I find bikini bumps an abomination. Wonder why? *g*

if you are on a mac, you can block ads from showing up with little snitch.

Gore’s intelligence had to be balanced with Lieberman’s idiocy. A Nebraska Senator, described as “mediocre,” once explained that even mediocre people deserve to be represented.

feeding the squirrels directly is my mode. Any way the squirrels can get fed is good, but I’m much happier here not getting blasted with ads.

Eons ago when I went to Europe as a young’un, I remember that I couldn’t deal with the markets where you were expected to bargain down a price. I want a price tag that is the real price, then I can decide if I want to pay it or not. Actually, I’d like to see that in our govt. too, come to think of it.

But that will never happen.

The empire the US started to build at the end of WWII is beginning to suffer the ills of other empires of the 19th and 20th centuries, notably England and France. Our government is not going to give up its not so de facto empire without a fight. A fight that will be fought by our children, and if people like Short Ride have any say, our grandchildren. Cheney and the neocons have to prove to themselves that we can do better than the British and French empires. That we can, in fact, maintain de facto colonies by military force.

Nah, I’m usin’ Windoze. Have to wait until this machine dies to switch to Mac. Can’t afford new electronics.

Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.

Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.

Namaste

“(1) Given the absurdity of Lieberman’s arguments, why do you still invite him on your shows and treat him as a serious person?”

I ask the same question for a list of people frequently sought out and given airtime and column inches whose “contributions” are as flawed or wrong-headed as Lieberman’s. Part of the list: Newt Gingrich, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, William Kristol, William Bennett, Lynne Cheney, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Sam Brownback, Bill Frist, Tom Delay, David Brooks, and anyone that works or worked for the current Bush regime who still drinks the Kool-aid.

Give Scarecrow’s post an up vote over at Reddit too!

One positive (albeit small) in seeing the actual ads is when an ad shows up for John McCain, or Regent University, or NewsMax, or any other identifiably right wing/Republican organization.

It’s fun to click on those and know the FDL squirrels are being fed.

What will be next, Lieberman and other surge-praisers stating that Iraqi families who’ve evacuated their homes, or have been forced out, have merely left to pursue better opportunities in a thriving free market environment brought to them by the Coalition?

Can $12 billion per month be considered wasted when much of it finds it’s way into the hands of the Bush family, Cheney, and their cronies? IT’s the Republic dream come true.

Why does Joe Lieberman want to see the Straits of Hormuz shut down? Why does he want to see $20 a gallon gas in this country?

and why do the congressional dems help joe?

Fear of being tagged “anti-semitic”, I guess. That’s why “J Street” was founded — to try and show the world that the Likudnik/neocon POV wasn’t the only one in Israel.

I really do think we had more actual reason and less imperialistic motive for occupying Afghanistan. Unless we want to control the world poppy trade, there’s nothing there we actually want. That seems to have been a part of the problem.

I usually try to be fair and objective about people and their views, but to be honest I really can’t stand Joe Lieberman.

He goes from being the VP nominee in 2000 to being the democratic spokesman for George Bush’s plans in Iraq.

Yet despite this, he is given an excellent committee position in the senate because he holds the 51-49 balance that dems have(being that oh-so-special “independent” democrat that he is). When the 08 election rolls around and the dems pick up a few seats, I supsect he may lose his appointment.

I meant to say Democratic VP nominee, not just VP nominee.

I am glad to hear Clark say that. I completely shut down a conversation of otherwise pretty liberal people at lunch one day by asking what exactly about getting shot down and surviving capture made him qualified to be president? What have been his actual accomplishments since then to demonstrate that he would be a good president? It’s kind of the flip side of the whole Saddam Hussein thing. Instead of saying, “yahyahyah, Hussein was a bad guy, but…” to start every conversation, you have to say “McCain is a hero, but….”

I have a hunch as well that part of our disappointment with Obama is also magnified because of the whole litany of things that seem so appalling…Iran, Iraq, FISA, prices, etc. I think he sort of gets lumped into a very depressing picture and that negative view of him gets compounded. I don’t know exactly.

What is more horrifying, and needs to be kept very separate, is what’s coming out of the wood work. Our paper yesterday had a piece on the great rise in hate groups right now: think David Duke. They are even expressing the view that our gov’t was for white men and that’s being taken away. Hate sites and groups are ginning up. Im sure that is not really surprising, but the facts of were a shock.

For reasons such as this, I hope our voice on behalf of O. is strong and sane. Voices such as those need to be called out for what they are: evil and ignorant.

I’m one who thinks that the fact that a Black man has come this far is a good and healing thing for this country. I hope we do not lose the inspiration and promise of that development.

Lieberman didn’t even get a defense from Imus this morning when Barnicle said, my shorter paraphrase, STF up and go back to CT.

phoenix woman - i don’t think our imperial ambitions are a function of our relationship with israel. perhaps that is the case for the neocons (although i don’t think so - i think israel provides a convenient excuse for people who could care less about israelis).

crosstimbers - location, location, location. bases for an eventual attack against iran.

but also:

Northern Afghanistan has proved, probable and possible natural gas reserves of about 5 Tcf. This area, which is a southward extension of the highly prolific, natural gas-prone Amu Darya Basin, has the potential to hold a sizable undiscovered gas resource base, especially in sedimentary layers deeper than what were developed during the Soviet era.

and probably less important:

Due to its location between the oil and natural gas reserves of the Caspian Basin and the Indian Ocean, Afghanistan has long been considered a potential pipeline route.

p.s. and yes, i think we do want to control the world poppy trade. :(

Here is a link to a This American Life story about a reporter for the New Yorker who realizes he is one of the people who has been bugged. It was chilling…especially the part about his daughter and the vaguely threatening response he got from McConnell.

this is why we should be raising a ruckus over the FISA capitulation this 4th of July holiday.

Re: Lieberman

Are there different rules for what you can say in the daytime and what you can say at late night?

Clark has been making that case for a couple of weeks. Talking heads (I’ve seen Scarborough do it) feign shock that Clark would “swift boat” McCain by questioning his courage and patriotism. They refuse to face the actual point that combat and imprisonment do not produce much in the way of understanding world affairs and go politics. Otherwise, I guess we could look for a new Attorney General among those who have spent the most time in penitentiaries.

In the Age of Stupid, Joe Lieberman is a serious person.

We seem to have been in a pretty big hurry to turn the operation over to NATO troops.

Oops. I forgot to add instructions. You can listen online. The story is the second segment “Act Two” and starts around 25 or so minutes into the whole episode. Once the audio has downloaded you can move the little play cursor to the start time for just that part.

true. Plus Clark was responding bery directly to te claim …. who?.. jhad just made about McCain and used his words. He didn’t initiate this and say this off the cuff. Oh yeah. Not that it means anything, but….. Clark is (obviously) 100% correct.

Very well said!

That’s the best explanation I’ve seen.

Guess not.

Lieberman is a douche.

How can he possibly get away with saying that Iraq would be in control of al-Queda if we followed BO’s advice. To the contrary, al-Queda wouldn’t have been a problem in the first place if we had listened to Obama and not invaded Iraq.

People can be banned for saying “good night” on my threads.

As for Schieffer and the news media in this country, it is important to remember that there is no news media in our country. We have infotainment and propaganda mills. The closest thing to real news reporting and analysis comes from the nets, and that takes time, critical thought, and the active participation of those who use the web.

Don’t rthink Lieberman will eb McCain’s runing mate. Anybody here think so. Big question for me is whether Reid will kick him out of the caucus. Wait. Do they pick a new majority leader in January (safe assumption that Dems will be the majority)? If the Dems pick up a few seats they won’t need this schmuck.

Lieberman has a fatal conflict of interest. His concern for Israel exceeds that for his Connecticut constituents or for that matter the rest of us. The notion that an Israeli nuclear capability is uniformly positive vs a similar, actually much inferior, Islamic capability is disingenuous and infuriating. We need a nuclear free Middle East and pressure to bring the parties together. Not this nonsensical asymmetrical approach. No wonder the oil barons are amused with our discomfort with prices.

Hypocrisy is not often rewarded.

Yeah. and people will say “well there’s alot of crap on the web and it’s hard to sort throufgh it to get to decent stuff. same thing can be said of the msm. arguably, it’s harder to find the decent stuff.

there is no news media

not on ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, CNN, ….

but there is Democracy Now!

Exactly!

When the dems pick up 4-10 (yes they could pick up 10) in November, this mans position wont matter.

Then its bye-bye committee appointment for Lieberman

and the BEEB.

Joe Lieberman — man without a party, soon to be man without a country… loathed by all.

The Bush administration has overcommitted the American military. Unlike Isreal, which has the US to bail it out when it makes a big mistake (as it did in invading Lebanon), the United States have no one to bail them out. We are going bankrupt on our own. When I look at American military and diplomatic ambitions in the Middle East, my mind is continually drawn back to Spain’s attempt in the Thirty Years War to maintain control of the band of territory running from northern Italy to Flanders. It took a long time for the enterprise to bring about bankruptcy and defeat, but the consequences of an overextended foreign policy were inevitable. We are heading down the same track.

I’m just guessing that Liebermann made the calculation that his best chance for meaningful future employment was as a McCain cabinet member.

Secretary of War?

Totally Dugg.
Thank you, Scarecrow.

yeah, as he was thoroughly vomited out of OUR party!

It’s a reasonable possibility.

You can’t possibly lose a senate primary then abandon your party and expect to politically survive it.

learn from history? that’s so elitist!

PS, over in the NYT, there is an article of the real SwiftBoaters trying to reclaim the name from a verb back to an honorable noun.

Christy has a new post ready.

I saw that article. I am sympathetic to most of the folks interviewed. With the exception of the weasel who participated in the sliming of Kerry and now has to deal with his own service being de-valued due to his slime actions.

mornin’ ’crow–

caw man says-”I have a couple of questions for the Sunday talk shows:

(1) Given the absurdity of Lieberman’s arguments, why do you still invite him on your shows and treat him as a serious person? ”

on elliot’s sunday talking heads thread, she lists a lot of email contacts for the shows…..and i would if i could, buti can’t spotlight this post to tell them, because my browser won’t let me, but some of you pups that can might want to………

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and MODS–the news article text posted here in the newsbox
http://firedoglake.com/2008/06.....companies/

doesn’t match the one you get…
…the one quoted in the teaser is full of more meat than the one you get, hmmmmmmm.i wanted the one with the ammo in it. can’t find it.

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and i know i keep posting this, but want pups to know about it—cuz it’s fun!
jane created a flickr firedoglake readers page, you don’t have to join to look at the pics pages of pups….
i had wanted to make a photo page for a while, got me to get out a camera someone gave me and do it…….posted other stuff, too……i love looking at pups’ blogs and photos, so, i’m doing it too.
has been fun.

http://www.flickr.com/groups_m.....tab=member

Heh, unintended consequences. Karma etc

Hi Scarecrow.

Haven’t caught up with comments yet, but wanted to commend you on a dandy post. Except: whew, that perfect pic makes me want to hurl something nasty.

In case no one else has asked the obvious, WHY has NO ONE arrested this bum?
Theoretically it’s definitely NOT o.k. to yell “FIRE” in a crowded theater.
Isn’t that what he’s doing?

THANKS dmac for the links. I missed the flickr one on the 1st go-round. Sounds like fun indeed!

EPU’d…I use Adblock Plus with Firefox on my Mac and never see the “jigglies” or NetFlix. It sometimes blocks embedded videos, but moving them just beyond the top of the window makes them show up just fine.

The Soviet Union fell after trying to lay waste to Afghanistan…

The British were kicked out of Afghanistan.

They were unwanted in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

We are not wanted there.

None of this bodes well for the “american empire” and as long as we turn a blind eye to history, nothing positive will come of these disasters.

There is gas, oil and real estate we want so that we can establish a permanent military bases and dominance in the resource rich region.

(Of course, there is an element in the West that wants to perpetuate a religious war and seek to destroy the very people they say they want to deliver democracy to.

feh!)

LOL.

Big talk here in MN about our very own Timmeh Pawlenty. Brrr. He’s young(er), dark(er), more polished(er) than McCain. Study in contrasts, but similar connections to the dark side.

The real question is why the Democratic Party hasn’t given Liberman the boot!

I said the democrats needed to boot him the very first vote that went against our party’s agenda

the man is a judas sheep plain and simple