Watching this, I started thinking about the sheer amount of problems we face -- and how many of them go right back to the feet of the folks who have been making bad decisions for the rest of us that just happen to benefit their own interests.
Watching the Bill Moyers Journal on Iraq, oil, and the Dick Cheney shock doctrine connection was bad enough:
...Take a look at this headline the other day in THE NEW YORK TIMES: "deals with Iraq are set to bring oil giants back." Read on: "Four western oil companies are in the final stages of negotiations this month on contracts that will return them to Iraq, 36 years after losing their oil concession to nationalization as Saddam Hussein rose to power."
There you have it. After a long exile Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total and BP are back in Iraq. And on the wings of no-bid contracts - that's right, sweetheart deals like those granted Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater. The kind of deals you get only if you have friends in high places. And these war profiteers have friends in very high places.
Let's go back a few years, to the 1990s, when private citizen Dick Cheney was running Halliburton, the big energy supplier. That's when he told the oil industry that, "By 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from?" Cheney asked. While many regions of the world offer great oil opportunities, the Middle East...is still where the prize ultimately lies."
When you dig deeper, as Naomi Klein did in Shock Doctrine, you find that a whole host of familiar faces keep popping up along the twin streams of policy and profit. You remember our old pal Richard Perle, don't you? And Henry Kissinger? And a whole host of neocons and former military brass all with their feet in both worlds.
And the bulk of the media willing to go along with the charade, kowtowing to the policy wonk facade on air and in print while dining on the profit-margin expense account for access and anonymous quotes. And protecting all of their reputations whenever they get exposed. Cozy that.
Digby watched the same Moyers Journal, and came away with a point I want to discuss:
...And yet, there was one liberal slogan in the past 20 years that was completely to the point, short, pithy and spot on --- and it was vilified by nearly everyone across the political spectrum as being just too over the top. (As if "you'll take my smoking gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers" is a mild little jingle.)"Serious" people could never say such a thing.
As I've written before, that slogan was the antiwar chant, "no blood for oil." It was true and yet it was considered "all wrong." It's a testament to the conservative rhetorical dominance of our culture that it was relegated to the fringe.
What we are bumping up against is a seething anger at a number of issues: poverty, rising prices and energy costs (YouTube), failures in Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere...and pouring millions of American taxpayer dollars into those instead of into crumbling infrastructure, collapsing schools, and economic problems here at home.
When you think about the enormity of the myriad problems we face, why aren't more people in the streets? I mean, if Lee Iacocca is pissed enough to publicly rant about the state of things, what's up with the rest of us?
(This Brave Nation is a combined effort of Brave New Films and The Nation. And every one of these conversations has been fantastic. Highly recommended viewing.)
UPDATE: Meant to also link this piece from Spencer.
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Too much talk among ourselves, not enough outreach?
Morning all…ahhh, blessed coffee…
I think we need to contemplate that, especially going into November. It’s one thing to grouse amongst ourselves in like-minded little pods. It’s another thing entirely to take that knowledge and spread it around to more and more people who will then do the same…and so on. We need to come up with better ways to do more, and do it more effectively. So I wanted to start that conversation this morning to the extent we can…
Could be we Americans were the ones shocked into submission by the whole
awenessawfulness of BushCo?Morning mack, how’s tricks?
The first step is to stop taking “serious” people seriously.
Watching the Sunday morning talking heads parade yesterday (I usually am at church), I realized that, while I think I am missing something, in reality, these asshats are not to be taken seriously.
That goes for a lot of the people I tend to agree with as well (Arianna, Olbermann, etc)
I seriously think that John Stewart and The Onion have a better grasp on truth than even the most progressive “serious” people.
Perhaps reality is actually too dismal to be taken seriously.
I love The Onion. Truly, there are days when that laughter is sanity saving. *g*
The only problem with The Onion these days is how do they parody something that is already over the top?
One thing—not the only thing—is that getting booked into today’s cross-referenced, networked criminal justice system can have lasting, somewhat unpredictable consequences.
It’s true — there are days when I’m reading or watching something on the news. And I think to myself, how can you possibly mock that when it’s already so incredibly asinine on its own?
One easy outreach we can start…do-it-yourself bumperstickers a la freeway blogger…. cut a standard piece of paper in thirds the long way and you have your canvas. Grab a fat marker and go for it.
We just need pithy phrases to put on ‘em and we can tape ‘em in the back window of our cars. Or attach to cardboard and hang ‘em like license plates off the back of bike seats if you’ve given up driving….
This week’s topic?
Yes, Christy - we are all very protected here in this bubble between our heads and the screen and the electrons. We don’t actually have to go out and talk to anyone; we have this illusion of safety and security - that no one outside our living units knows who we are or what we are saying. No one is going to hit any of us over the head with a truncheon in the street for what we say here.
The Bush family took “no blood for oil” to heart. Not one of them will ever serve in the Bush Oil Wars. All of them, however, are more than happy to receive their share of the gathered plunder.
It seems to me that a big part of the problem is that history and civics haven’t been taught sufficiently for a whole generation or more. Nixon Administration infringements on the Constitution were shocking when revealed to the public in the Senate hearings. In comparison to the Bush Administration, Nixon infringements appear almost minor now. The Nixon crowd even responded to subpoenas. This group flicks the finger and says, “So?”, and the public doesn’t seem to get it.
christy this article in the fdl newsbox-fixed by the mod mods–is about the oil deal to be announced today, lots of meat and ammo in it…..
http://afp.google.com/article/.....a-PXaEMxqA
and from siun’s post last night—something that may affect things a bit.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/06.....e-killers/
”On Friday, US forces conducted a dawn raid in the town of Janaja – killing one civilian – with no notice or coordination with Iraqi local, national or military officials. Janaja is a town “populated mostly by members of the Mailiki tribe”
wonder who ordered it?
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and i know i keep posting this, : ) but want pups to know about it—cuz it’s fun!
jane created a flickr firedoglake readers page, you don’t have to join to look at the pics pages of pups….
i had wanted to make a photo page for a while, got me to get out a camera someone gave me and do it…….posted other stuff, too……i love looking at pups’ blogs and photos, so, i’m doing it too.
has been fun. i did the ’click on my name’ thing for mine…..makes me feel kinda ’bloggy’…..heh.
kathryn in ma posted ecahn’s gathering photos, a wide variety of things from others…..
http://www.flickr.com/groups_m…..tab=member
re spreading our views of the news, we can take tips from this article from the HuffPo; copy and send in emails - they can go viral.
No..they ‘get it’ all right - what they perceive is that nothing we do actually ‘matters’ or changes things. Thousands of people were out in the streets, worldwide - before we went to war and it did not matter a bit. American citizens have been screaming for years now for impeachment - and…how many people in DC are listening. When Dick Cheney says, “No” - behind it is “And what are you going to do about it? Hmmm? That’s right…”
so true. when it comes to those subjects, i have to do homeschooling at the dinner table. or in the car when they’re a captive audience. but they usually have iPod things in their ears.
my 16 last sentence shoulda been worded–photos from ecahn’s gathering.
Pretty good
@ work and just had a moment to pop in.
Go back to the Onion 2003 archives and see if they didn’t actually do a better job of reporting than the ’serious’ press.
‘Mornin, Christy, and Happy New Week to you. This and the news from Iran has me pretty sad and somewhat shaken today. I work at home, have to be on the inferno machine all day, and can’t “take it to the streets”, but quite honestly, I’m not good at that anyway. I’m just not one who does well with face to face encounters when politics is concerned. I’m far left of everyone I know and it just shows in spades. And i’m not quiet about things, my friends avoid the subject with me, so, that being said, I’m just not good at that.
So I do everything I can online, and have been giving all my left over money where it looks to serve well.
Thanks for the post.
As much as the boomers have been criticized for our excesses during the 60’s, we did have the comfort of “seeing” the sheer numbers of like minded people gather. It shook up the country and the established powers at the time. While online organizing today is very effective, there’s nothing like a show of numbers to impress and shock the people in power. A show of people power is good for the soul.
OT, but don’t know where else to ask: what’s up w/EW’s blog being down all weekend? And that funky graphic her URL currently shows?
Thought I would throw this in abut Cheney and Halliburton from item 333 of my scandals list on defense contractors:
As a boomer, I find it unfortunate that we have to live down the boomers in power since 2001, namely Bush, Cheney, and Rove.
Bingo!
This has been buggin’ me for some time (she said, sitting in her cozy little office, sucking up coffee and tapping, tapping gently at my keyboard).
prairie at 12–the 30yr vet who bought my old car, retired disabled 2 years ago, is keeping the bumper sticker i got in snoeshoe, wva
”when you tell the truth you don’t have to remember what you said”
i need another one for my new car. i hated that i couldn’t get it off in one piece, i love that he’s leavin’ it on there. he loved it.
but have been thinkin’ maybe i need a new one, can’t think of one yet, so, i’ll be watching to see if any new slogans come up.
gonna check out cafepress.com to look into making one. but i like your free idea, now that i have a back window large enough to put it in……the old car’s window was too small, convertible.
christy, you asked so i’m going to be really blunt. the problem is that democrats have been tremendously successful in co-opting street movements. no one cares what the republicans say. that’s not the problem. for an example, i ask you to consider how Democrats in 2004 insisted that anti-war folks shut up and support the Anybody But Bush efforts. Remember how the DNC in Boston had a small “free speech zone” where anti-war activists were kept? the Democrats have worked very hard, and sadly with way too much online support, to demean and marginalize people who have taken to the streets. worse yet were the FTAA protests in Miami - how many Democrats voted for the 8 million dollars that was used to create a temporary mini police state? The whole neoliberal “free trade” bullshit of the clinton era was supported by mainstream democrats who treated the people who were right as dirty fucking hippies to be beaten and locked up.
we joke here about the how the dirty fucking hippies were right and the Very Serious People are all wrong, but the fact of the matter is that the people who were protesting the clinton administration’s policies of starving the iraqis, of economic strangulation of latin america — the anti-corporate globalization folks — they were right and the Very Serious Democrats were all wrong.
if we want more people to take to the streets, then we have to work to undo what we have helped do. and i thnk that starts with seeing the ways in which we try to be Very Serious People - to be acceptable and accepted by some elements of the Democratic party establishment. and even more importantly we have to listen carefully to what the real dirty fucking hippies of the anti-corporate globalization movement have been saying all along. and that even means listening to people who voted for nader in 2000. but no, we can’t do that, because we already know they were wrong and we were right - even without spending serious time engaged with them and their arguments.
at some point i hope that the democratic activists online will start aligning themselves with the people who have been on the street and have been right about the major issues of the day — and stop aligning themselves with the party leadership. because i think we can turn this around. but it’s going to take some major changes in the way we think.
I had no problems accessing emptywheel at all this weekend. And I know there was at least one crosspost between there and the Mothership.
A local ordinance violation may be almost as likely as a misdemeanor which may be almost as likely as a felony to get a cited, accused, or convicted person entered into shared law enforcement and intelligence agency data troves, and into private-sector personal data systems.
I’m not suggesting that no one should brave the possible consequences of taking to the streets to voice opinion.
Christy and Pups, I think we need a huge, city by city, demonstration. All on the same Saturday…like the immigration demonstration on May 1, 2006 only much larger. Huge, everyone who cares. Before the election. What’s missing is music (as far as I know). In the 60’s we had music that was so inspirational. If we had leadership, we could take care of getting the permits in our own cities.
Imagine if we do nothing and McCane wins…
I do think, though, that having the draft as an enormous catalyst for action back then, along with the civil rights movement pushing things along as well was a sort of perfect storm for action. Because so many people were immediately impacted on both issues. These days, we all seem so insulated from so many of the problems — even though, honestly, we really aren’t. When you start connecting all the dots on all of this, you really see how interconnected all these issues are…but the media so rarely takes the time to connect these dots and, sadly, I think a lot of folks just don’t bother doing it on their own, either. They are too busy trying to scrabble to make the mortgage payment and keep their kids out of trouble and fed and…
Totally agree about music. The problem with current demonstrations — well, one problem — is that they tend to use retro music. Stuff that worked in the 60s (and that’s my era, btw) doesn’t play well now. At least, not all of it, or exclusively. Woman can only sing “Blowing in the Wind” so many times without feeling too steeped in days gone by.
I’m not having a problem with EW’s blog — and it worked fine for me this weekend. What browser are you using? Could be an interface glitch — but that’s the first I’ve heard of any problems with her blog. Given that we all run off the same sort of software interface, it’s odd you’d have a problem there and not here…
EW was up and very busy this weekend. Haven’t been over there yet today.
I agree…Before the war, I took a bus to DC with a large group of people to protest the plans for war in Iraq. There were THOUSANDS of people there. Yet there was very little coverage on the news. So about the only upside to “marching” was knowing that I wasn’t alone in thinking that it was a bad idea to go to war. After that I saw brief reports of protests worldwide - millions of people. And it made no difference to the president, vice president, or congress. So it seems sort of discouraging to “take to the streets” in the hope of change.
Have you tried clearing your browser’s cache?
loo hoo - that is just my point. there already are people organizing protests all over the place. why do we have to be in charge of starting all over again?
here’s a though. how about working with the indymedia people? how about working with people who are protesting? think what the blogs could to do amplify the message? thing what could be done online to create culture that supports street activism (instead of looking askance at it)? for crying out loud - jane and marcy and christy were able to make fitz a bit of a sex symbol.
but it means letting go of message control. it means listening to the grass roots instead of trying to herd activists.
can we do that?
The media are paid not to connect the dots and to ridicule anyone who tries. As selise pointed out above, they are joined in this not only by Republicans but by the leaders of the Democratic Party as well.
Good morning Christy …
and all the rest of you fire-breathing folks.
Yes! I term it the Great Educational Outreach - which i have been engaged in for some months …
I find people are receptive and VERY willing to listen, they want to talk, but, and this is a big ‘but’, many who are not committed to progressive consciousness often say, “Well, I like what you are saying, but (there it is!) I try to take what is best from both sides.”
Where upon I grin and say,”Then you’ve found what we,ve talked about to be useful? Then perhaps we may speak further about things in the future?
At least I leave them open to possibility. It is a process. Repetition, over time doth slowly get through (to some).
Oddly (or perhaps not), many with whom I speak, even quite ‘conservative’ (whatever THAT may mean these days) folks are sick of Bush, and some, though not many, are leary of McCain.
Broadening the conversation, I have discovered a strong anti union bias among younger people (18 to 25 yr.olds) whose parents are ‘conservative’.
There is, however, deep and broad concern about the state of public education (though the ‘concerns’ are somewhat different between progressives and conservatives …) and VERY grave concerns regarding the economy and the price of gasoline, except that the latter is very clearly of much lesser concern to the ‘well-off’, who say that even $10.00 a gallon gas is not a problem for them …
This has been a field report from Pittsburgh in Penn’s Woods.
;~D
Actually, now that I think about it, I don’t think there were many street demonstrations during Watergate. The diligence was all by Senate and House Committees, as well as the main stream media. The Democratic Congress did feel sufficiently supported by their constituencies to haul the culprits in and batter them on national television.
The demonstrations were associated with the civil rights movement, and to a greater extent with the Viet Nam War. Institution of a draft today would likely engender street demonstrations in fairly short order.
As a boomer, I find it unfortunate that we have to live down the boomers in power since 2001, namely Bush, Cheney, and Rove.
“Boomers” Bush, Cheney, and Rove. heh. Ya gotta admit, the term is apt. They’ve seriously blown some sh*t up…
Have you tried clearing your browser’s cache?
I’ve seen that so many times - how does one go about doing that exactly?
We have done and continue to do that a lot where we see things that are effective and being organized well. And will continue to do so, eh?
in the past 5 years… there are some people who learned a thing or two about message amplification. in fact, i would call them experts. yes, they are the blogs.
imagine combining the efforts that were made in organizing those anti-war actions with the expertise the progressive blogs now have. wow!
I was very impressed with Katrina vanden Heuvel on This Week yesterday making sound statements about what our job is, and that a movement is necessary.
(Pretty nice to see her and Arianna slice and dice Byron and Hugh– did not miss George Will and Cokie at all…)
video here:
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek
It depends on your browser. Fro Firefox 2, click on Tools from the menu bar, then select Clear Private Data. When the window comes up, de-select (remove the check mark) from all the boxes EXCEPT for Cache, then click on the “Clear Private Data Now” button.
Other browsers most likely have some variant on this.
if you are using ff, go to tools menu, down to options then click on advanced
and either see clear cache button or off line storage for FF 3
Question if I may. Do donations made through Blue America today get counted in this quarter’s fund raising figures for the candidates? PS. I love leaving an ActBlue “tip” it makes me happy through the day.
thanks dakine and Elliott - I’ve gone back to Firefox 2 - FF3 was too funky.
I’m gonna do that now.
For Safari, under the Safari menu selection, scroll down and select “Empty Cache”
As I mentioned, most every browser has some variant of clearing the cache memory, you just have to look around for it.
FWIW, I had issues with the Firefox update as well.
How to Clear Your Browser’s Cache
I think you experienced the new ad banner that comes up from time to time when navigating between FDL sites. I experienced a Classmates.com banner ad that takes about 30 seconds to load. Just now, while attempting to navigate over to EW’s site, a Netflix ad came up for 30 seconds before going to EW’s site. FYI.
We as a country have lost our passion for freedom and democracy..’we?’ will have to fight for it to get it back if we really want it. No one will give it back to us, not the corporate media or the ruling junta. No one ‘gave’ Germany back it’s freedom or ‘gave’ us our original freedoms, they had to be fought for and won at a bloody expense. Freedom isn’t free.
We have to try…before they bomb Iran.
I haven’t had any problems with FF3 (Mac). I have FF set to clear private data every time I quit the browser.
However, just noticed another problem this weekend. I have McClatchyDC as an RSS feed in my toolbar, and when I bring it up, I have no scroll bar on the right of the window. When I’m using my wireless mouse, I can scroll with its scroll wheel, but when I’m somewhere else in the house I cannot scroll. Safari has the proper scroll bar on the McClatchy site.
Anyone having a similar problem? Where is Newtonusr when I need him?
And ON topic, I am finally bringing around my progressive son, who so far has insisted on “both sides” of an issue. I think I convinced him that for some issues, there IS no “other” side.
We’ve been trying to zap those, btw — that’s part of the bulk ad issue that we get from time to time. We’re working on that one…
i wasn’t prepared to jump on this topic today… but you’ve given the opening - one i’ve been thinking about for more than 4 years (although it was the RNC that really convinced me). so please forgive me for being blunt and possibly not clear.
you make my point. because, i think, very few major bloggers have been seriously involved in (let alone organizing) the protest movements of the last 10-15 years - you don’t see it and you don’t trust that the dirty fucking hippies do see it even if you don’t.
for example, i can remember even a year or two ago being the only one here (save kirk, bless him) arguing that our fucked up neoliberal “free trade” policies of the clinton era were responsible for much of what has become an issue of immigration. and i was way, way behind the curve on all this stuff.
but even more important, imo, is the power of the blogs to instigate cultural change. what if it became cool to participate in street protests? even to help organize them? isn’t that more important than judging which ones are “well organized” enough to individually support? it’s about movement building, not getting press for one particular event.
And on the banner ad…I use Adblock Plus. I wouldn’t click on an ad on this site, but I would donate directly (and I have). It really eliminates all of the annoying ads on any site.
Michael T. Klare writes in The Nation:
If this administration truly wanted to spare Americans further pain at the pump, there is one thing it could do that would have an immediate effect: declare that military force is not an acceptable option in the struggle with Iran. Such a declaration would take the wind out of the sails of speculators and set the course for a drop in prices.
i’m with you there! just that the blogs are probably the wrong place to organize the protests - but they can be great at message amplification and getting attention.
what do you-all think about the indymedia movement?
And what do you think the purpose of this post was, if not to start raising the profile of that? I mean, honestly?
Dammit — i meant to also link up this piece from Spencer — am updating to add it.
As I mentioned last thread, sometimes it’s a very good thing to click on the ads displayed. Like when it’s a McCain campaign ad or an ad for Regent University or NewsMax or other orgnaizations. I.E., ads for demonstrably Right Wing/Republican organizations that then have to pay to help feed the FDL squirrels.
i thought it was to ask for ideas on the question you ended your post with?
I got an email to Eric Massa to that effect - I went down the list and gave a little love to a bunch.
More from Mr. Klare (my bold):
Yep — it was also to raise the profile of thinking about active action, versus passive commentary. Which, I thought, would get people thinking about active things they could do — and, thus, make active work a more “cool” thing to contemplate. Neh?
I’m not interested in getting into a talking past each other conversation this morning, which is where I think we are both heading. I’m just saying that we have been trying to keep twenty bazillion balls in the air at the same time around here lately, and we cannot hit everything alla time — and sometimes I feel the need to point that out because I’m feeling stretched a bit thin. Given that my FIL is having heart surgery as I type this, today just happens to be one of those days. FWIW. And I just don’t have the energy to do more at the moment.
We try and balance thoughtful stuff and action — and we do a lot more of it here than a lot of places. Clearly, we may not be doing the action stuff enough for some folks — and we need to have that pointed out, but also temper that with a recognition that we simply cannot do everything. Maybe I’m just feeling my mortality today…
I think it’s a wonderful idea.
I have long wanted to see more of Amy Goodman out here in the open, and even suggested a long while back that she and the authors here visit with each other :)
I not familiar with it. Do tell.
Ah yes, siri;
My friends all term me ‘intense’ but most still listen, and a number actually seem to be pleased to speak about things that most often don’t receive much serious discussion.
As to meeting new folks (where-ever and whenever ‘chance’ permits) who probably are not ‘progressive’ or even dems, I enjoy getting people talking until I can get a sense of how to ‘grow’ on ‘em.
Once there is a sense of ‘common ground’ you can venture off the ‘beaten path, the straight and narrow’ quite a ways …
The process is actually fun because if you can urge others to ‘consider’ from their own lives outward, then you can really see the moment when eyeballs open wider and a wisp of smoke wafts from the ears.
I think this is how it works; one mind at a time.
;~D
Christie…because of Firedoglake I’ve written MANY letters to representatives and candidates, talked to friends about the issues, signed MANY petitions, and donated to candidates (for the first time in my life). Thank you so much for making the issues visible and understandable. I compare what I read here with what’s reported on TV and in the newspapers and if they report the issues at all, it’s 3 or 4 days after I’ve been made aware here.
let’s wait for another time… i picked a bad day…
We’re all for it. FDL is one component of Indy (Independent) Media. We are all hopeful that it grows. It will grow. The internet is killing (corporate sponsored) Dead Tree Media.
I had an Obama/Hamilton event here on Saturday and about 30 people showed up. I had only met a few of the people before. We got into great discussion, and boy are people pissed. We agreed to meet again on August 2nd and everyone will bring at least one more person. We’ll keep (at least) doubling once a month until the election. I’ll need to plan a shuttle soon!
That and disbelief that they could be so craven and cynical and bold.
Oh! Bonehead me.
If taking to the streets is not reported isn’t it sort of like “if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to witness it . . . .”?
Or am I too hooked into the electric/paper media?
I took my family to our local Art Festival this weekend. At the entrance to the festival there were 5 or 6 people dressed in all orange, holding signs up to close Guantanamo, and to stop torture. They were not loud or yelling or harrasing anyone. The police handcuffed and arrested them in short order. Evidently, they did not have the “proper permit” to assemble??? I am afraid our police practices in this country have silenced the voice of the people in the public space.
No, it’s probably me. I’m out of sorts this morning…
Did all five or six get cuffed and arrested?
Good point. With Adblock Plus you can selectively allow certain ads, but I haven’t taken the time to figure out how. I think you have to do it ad by ad.
it’s probably still OKIYAR.
Taking the issues to goopers and to indies takes a very different tone and approach from what we tend to use here—. It would be useful to cultivate the tone and arguments that might break through.
Had to leave for a while. Glad I came back. selise, you are absolutely spot on about this, and I am complicit in the marginalizing of the folks on on the streets and bridges and, and, and. That said, the current batch o’protesters need to create their own brand. I know, I know. Peace is peace is peace. Rule of law is rule of law is rule of law. I agree. But when it’s framed in 1960s language and music, it feels . . . old and stale and irrelevant for these times. Kinda like the Bible. :-) Whether or not we like it (and actually, I don’t much), it’s all about marketing. Sell the product. And what is the product? Indignation. Fed-upness. Preservation of civil liberties, rule of law and an attempt to “sell” peace. Really sell it. We’re dealing with an over-stimulated population in 2008. Sound bites. Skimming. No small amount of apathy. I don’t like that much, but it is what it is.
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs,
How many of you have visited Obamaworld ???
(hopefully that links you to the “Community Blogs” page)
I strongly urge everyone to do so and make their own assessments - Warning ! it can prove frustrating (the kewlest Prez evah! and FISA is just “some telecom thingy”) I kid you not
Y’all know the campaign has attracted hundreds of thousands if not millions of first timers to politics. Safe to say most will simply cleave to BO and not politics - many will dry up until 2012
However - it is incumbent on us all to find the 10-20% who now find themselves hooked and keep them hooked. It is not blue skyin’ it to think we are looking at an additional 100 to 200,000 newly minted activists.
At a bare minimum, I suggest you visit at least once daily, sift through and find opportunities to talk about the Lemming Media, framing, etc. All those things that we encountered when discovering places like FDL
From there we all need to be doing actual outreach to local BO groups - sidle on up and say howdy.
(full disclosure: the last thing I want is to be in any way involved with this campaign, but that would be cutting off my nose to spite my face)
Forgive me the rambling - I am at the end of a cold and undercaffeinated -
But there’s gold in them there hills - and ours for the taking :D
Apropos nothing …
Just a dumb question:
How may we expect to successfully take ‘it’ to the streets until ‘it’ has been brought home?
Note: I have seriously cornered the market on dumb questions for years.
But, I do think that some people could use some help on their ‘homes’.
;~D
Christy, I totally empathize. Living here in cancerland, energy is in short supply all the time and patience wears thin in spite of best efforts to stay centered and ever so pleasant. Urgh.
All I can say is that the South Korean’s protests against their political leaders for allowing our beef into their country put us to shame. What is it, we’re just tired these days? We’ve grown so use to things going wrong that we just throw our hands up in the air and say “There’s nothing we can do about it!” No pitchforks, no tar, no feathers, no nothing these days. It’s not as if we haven’t been given provocations aplenty! Maybe we’re just over-saturated. But if we don’t work up some visible righteous indignation, we’re sunk and will continue to be used as pawns in the powers that be chess game.
Now, who was that familiar voice in that film that said, “Mr. Hayden believes that all Democratic political institutions are dead in America.” and “It is my honest opinion that Mr. Hayden and some of his cohorts have been participating in subversion.” It’s going to drive me nuts! He even looks familiar, but I can’t place him because he was so much younger. I thought maybe Fred Thompson?
Just re-read this. Maybe I’m mistaken (imagine that!), but I don’t get a sense that selise and others are taking potshots at FDL. You are the wind beneath our wings, lady! But there comes a point where we have to get off our own lard butts and fly. I, for one, don’t expect FDL to do that for me. This is where I gird my loins and mix my metaphors. Then it’s up to me/us to take what we gain here out into the world and DO something with it.
I think it was important to have blogs like Daily Kos which encouraged people to use the levers of power such as elections which were available to them in the normal course of citizenship. Paul Rosenberg and Mimikatz, in the comments of Open Left, have said that in spite of the disappointment of the Obama campaign there are still plenty of progressive Congressional campaigns to work on and give money to. As it is now the netroots do not represent the entire “base” of the Democratic party. The primary should have proved that to everyone’s entire satisfaction. The netroots need to begin reaching out to the other base groups and educate them about our issues even if that does not mean taking to the streets.
FDL as a blog is fairly pro-Palestinian, with which I am obviously fairly cool, but I remember my one experience with Indymedia during Jenin, and I think that part of bringing in indymedia is bringing in the same crippling I/P arguments which we have seen in our little corner.
Good morning, Christy. Thoughts are with you today. I hope all goes well. Do we have any feedback from the Steny ad? Just wondering.
You should ask Jane about that — she’s been running herd on that one. I don’t know of any, but she’d be more in touch with any feedback.
It’s a double blow:
The first wave of people lost their homes because of the corrupt financial sector.
The second wave will lose their homes because the price of oil makes going on impossible in lots of different ways.
The new aristocracy has plundered our riches, stripped us of our institutional ability to stop them, and left us to eat cake.
But I don’t know what people are complaining about; they’ve got what they really cared about: very soon Rowe v Wade will be overturned.
Probably indeed. Flag waving and supporting the troops is perfectly acceptable by the man. All peaceful assembly is guaranteed by the first ammendment. Assembled people should keep a copy of it on their persons.
I think that people do not take to the streets because 1) it is easy to stereotype the people who do take to the streets as DFHs, which happened in 2002, 2) Bush and Cheney have shown over and over that they will not pay any attention to any protest, and 3) what barbara said: the style of protest is nostalgic for the 1960s. The idea of community organizing is appealing to this Obama person because it is a method of metaprotest: figuring out how people can leverage what they have to do things effectively.
i’m sorry christy, i did not know your FIL was having heart surgery today. i hope everything goes very well and will be thinking of you and Mr. Redd and the peanut today.
yea… What Selise said.
Direct action of ANY kind has been really trashed so that the people who want to “express” themselves in demonstrations are treated like DFH and paid no respect.
But I will continue to show my face at demonstrations and I believes demos should take place right outside the offices of the pols who think they are so smart and turn out to be so wrong all the time.
Letters are fine. We need more DIRECT ACTION and lots of it.
G’morning all !
Will we see the next Obama-HoJo meeting live on PPV ?
Lieberman: Al Qaeda, Iran would control Iraq under Obama plan - from rawstory
I think giving a Blue Dog a primary challenge is the new “taking to the streets” — and I am sure it makes a better result.
Are there demonstrations somewhere? None in lovely San Diego County that I am aware of.
I think what we need is what I call
Link Left
Which would be a central web site which had news and was the gathering place for people to learn about direct action they could participate in. Sort of a classified ad of action online.
We are terribly disbursed and powerless for it.
One more thing: American beef is literally a gut issue. It is very easy to organize around. Home foreclosures are a slightly more complicated issue. It would be hard to protest against the mortgage companies to not write mortgages to any breathing person in future.
we ARE having an effect on national discourse . . .
and sometimes the storm clouds part and Gaia gives us a personal glimpse
just this week end a co worker, once easily characterized as low information voter type expressed her concern about food safety and the evil of high fructose corn syrup in everything she feeds her kids
that did not come from Action News at 5
oh, and that toxic crap being extruded through Steny’s ass would have been law by now had it not been for groups like ACLU and dfh bloggers (that’s twice now hippies!)
Had the same thought. Why risk arrest when what you do won’t be reported anyway, and therefore have no impact? With the alternative of being herded into a “free speech zone” (the whole country is supposed to be such a zone) and ignored.
There has been much more street protest than has been reported. There’s a protest group every Friday for the past four years at afternoon rush hour in Port Orange (Daytona Bch area), Florida.
and THUS the real purpose for this war, the only purpose for this war
we need to nationalize OUR petroleum assets and STOP selling on the open market, the only countries that should be selling on the open market are those that produce more then they use
and with an HONEST energy policy, we will be among that group of nations
Christy, your FIL should have a full recovery.
and oh, the price of oil and gas skyrocketing is in effect the beginning of a new “shock” for their doctrine which will include attacking Iran among other things
Jus Cogens!
fyi -
here is the BO ‘Group’ Jane linked to late last week -
we are #5 with a bullet in Obamaworld - join us !
Senator Obama - Please Vote Against FISA
Every time I read about the oil companies and their “agreements” in Iraq I can’t help but wonder why nobody even dares ask why the oil companies should pay the three trillion dollar bill we the people incurred for their insurance.
Much more the Iraqi people we all destroyed and the fact we and big oil seem to be damanding nearly 80 percent of the Iraqis riches.
Why risk arrest when what you do won’t be reported anyway,
Maybe all such protesters should have one member of the group *not* in orange and participating - but instead standing nearby with a video camera - which could then be submitted to local teevee stations?
No guarantee that it would run, of course, but…
hackworth @ 77 - that’s not what i meant, i was referring to this indymedia.
Loo Hoo. @ 57 - i hear you. it’s really tough when both parties support an insane policy.
barbara @ 88 - me too (the complicit part), but the way to have the protest movement reflect our concerns is to participate. just as we can try to influence politics with our participation - after all, it was christy who convinced me to start watching congress and encouraged visits to our senators and it was jane who convinced me to spend so many days down in CT canvassing for lamont.
imo, this is a very important subject and one i have lots of semi-formed thoughts on. some group discussion here would be very helpful to me, but i think i’ll leave my commenting on it to another better day - and try to be more coherent then… i really don’t want to complain - i want to brainstorm with firepups.
man, I had to read that, and I think everyone should, here’s a snippet, lee iococca
lee be the man, now I’d like to see lutz get on board as well
cost plus reconstruction.
Washington has imposed economic sanctions on Iran and forced key allies to abandon plans for developing new oil fields there. As a result Iran, with the world’s second-largest reseves after Saudi Arabia, is producing only about half the oil it could - another reason for the global constriction of supply.
1,689 DAYZ AND THE KIILIN GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“…Tom and Naomi are talking about how much activity there is online…and how little there is in the streets.”
This statement is telling for a number of reasons and, in my opinion, worth a front page post or series of posts. Look at the price online sight owners have paid for their “freedom of expression”…those on the left who have been able to maintain visibility of their sights on the front lines of the networld have had to maintain a strict and some might say smothering self censorship, not only of language (profanity-vulgarity) but of “civility” that includes circumscribing discussion of mass action and demonstrations. There appears to be a tacit acceptance of the line that demonstrations in the street are not legitimate and the violence of the state in subduing such demonstrations is lawful making such demonstrations counterproductive,driving the “independents” into the arms of their slave masters. There is no doubt that we as a people have been terrorized by our own government since the 1960’s and the leadership of the”legitimate party of opposition on the left”, the Democratic Party, has joined in the enforcement of the restriction of the people’s right to demonstrate in expression of legitimate grievances.
Now… what to do? I would call for everyone in the community of the progressive blogosphere to demand discussion of the legitimacy of mass, public demonstrations and the netroots’ role in organizing and advancing this direct citizen action. Why is there not a coordinated effort between progressive bogs and NGO’s like MoveOn to cultivate a “people’s truth squad” in the streets of Denver to force the Democratic Party to address the ending of the Iraq occupation and hold it’s candidate for President to unequivocal support for total withdrawal.
Citizen Hardin Smith, I appreciate your blood, sweat and tears in creating the opportunity for an FDL community to grow here and I know how precious the very existence of this site is to you but it is also a life sustaining part of the intellectual and moral life of those in the community that has grown here. So, how about puttin tagether a series of front page posts on the topic of mass demonstrations and the political terror state…maybe even include commentators that aren’t part of the “usual suspects” of front page posters. How about gettin’ the FDL community into a discussion of organizin’ an FDL convention party to attend the convention in Denver or, better still, discuss organizin’ a mass demonstration in the streets of Denver to make Obama and the Democratic Party honest with regard to the war in Iraq and the collapse of corporate capitalism in this country?
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE WORLD IS CHANGING AND WE CAN WATCH OR PARTICIPATE!
I think you answered your own question with the last sentence. I can’t imagine that no one has tried what you suggest, but I don’t see anything on the boob tube.
Or maybe I’m just not watching the right programs…(?)
MAN, that whole piece by lee is incredible, maybe we can get him to guest blog or book salon or something, check this out
Bookmark Progressive Post.
On a happy note, my brother, sis-in-law, daughter, niece and I get to see Robert Plant, Alison Kraus, Stuart Duncan and band tonight at Humphrey’s by the Bay. I used to babysit Stuart, so for a bonus…we get backstage passes! Can hardly wait…
Progressive Post.
Thanks.
I had crosspost here as well, but attempts to access @ EW led to same page. I posted 404 graphic I received here (PhotoBucket):
http://i180.photobucket.com/al...../EW404.jpg
I cleared my (Firebird) cache, and that indeed did the trick. Occasionally EW is inaccessible here (COMCAST), I assume because of maintenance/bandwith overload. I’ve never seen that think before, however.
I’m curious where Firebird picked it up, and even curiouser why it didn’t check dates and refresh.
I guess all’s well that ends well.
Thanks.
Yeah, I did that, and have been getting huge amount of e-mails every day since then, even though I checked the box not to receive e-mails. Yesterday I went back and changed my profile and checked all three boxes no e-mail, and this morning the count was 150 e-mails, all preaching to the choir. Ultimately, I understand the only way to stop the e-mails is to opt out of the group entirely, so I did that this morning. I can only hope that tomorrow my e-mail box doesn’t see a doubling of the amount of e-mails from this group.
I’ve had a theory that, in the past, it was the malcontents and disaffected that were behind a lot of the energy, if not necessarily the direction, for change.
I think that a lot of people like that are under medication now; ritalin, anti-depressents and more. It’s the same technique that we’re finding is being used on our troops; medicated is compliant.
Also, there’s the pernicious programming of television and the deadening effect that four decades of “improvement” in advertising techniques, editing and production values has wrought on the people since the sixties, really still the early days in the development of the medium.
Fresh posty goodness, up and running for everyone…
Hot Damn! Norske!!!
Correct (the word ‘right’ is still tainted) you are!
In huge proportion.
However, understanding the several truths you’ve explicitly delineated, MUST be experienced (as they, in fact, are) from the bottom up - such that the prowess of the tubes is linked directly to the realities and ‘needs’(which include a healthy and viable Constitution and a Congress worthy of the name) of the people themselves - for this is about ALL of us (and our DEMOCRACY) and to the degree we think it only about SOME of us, to precisely that degree, we shall fail to. have. much. effect.
Until the denizens of the Lake dare to personally take ‘it’ to others whom we do not know, and risk not being understood, what you suggest will be an intellectual exercise and NOT a social movement.
This is not criticism, it is an observation based on my personal experience.
Norske, you always nail it. Thank you!!!
You are, as usual, right fuckin on, there Citizen DWBartoo, in many more ways than those expressed!
Norske and Bartoo rock to use the vernacular. We need to clone them 10,000x
Excellent comments,
I’m a first time poster, I’ve been wondering where I would land on the blogs in terms of spaces where I think my 2 cents could be part of the dollar if you will. I have come to appreciate this venue…. indeed I broadcast alot of it to my personal networks through facebook and other means of communication… for that I tip my hat in respect and thanks.
Let me ask everyone this before I go on, cuz I will admit to struggling with this…. what are we doing to connect with folks who have gotten this shittier end of the coin and wind up with nothing? (no home, clothes, shelter, food, family, friends, and sadly sometimes even hope)
I ask this question as someone that sometimes drops a dollar, a few cents, will pick-up street smarts, or generally won’t treat someone as shit, but is really not doing anything directly or that will alleviate a struggling human being in the short-term…. sigh*
In response to the original question
“When you think about the enormity of the myriad problems we face, why aren’t more people in the streets? … what’s up with the rest of us?”
Very revealing question…. I’m interested in what we are defining “the streets” as, what constitutes being “in them”, if there is a difference in being out there “protesting” anything or something some might deem “strategic” (which is of course arguable… except for me I LAY DOWN THE LAW!…hah!)
Let me begin by saying folks are already organized alot of the time, whether we chose to try to understand or relate to those organizations is another thing altogether. Not everyone chooses to be part of the category that makes them be part of that segment, but we all know that and have different experiences with it (i.e. you get a great non-profit job and cross the 75k threshold… upward mobility…yay! another example is you lose your job, welcome to the “at-risk” zone)
You know being in DC has really made me think. One constant struggle for me is my background, who I am in relation to everything here, and what it means for me to be in a different setting with different socio-economic realities as compared to say my childhood/teen years out west.
one think I’ll point out is that the streets are never empty.
1)(Young) people and the streets
2)Homeless populations in most cities across the country
Point 1 I am drawing from my own experiences out west… not so sure about the east coast as these arent my stomping grounds, but if I had to compare and guess…. my gut tells me conditions hold true more or less on this coast as well.
This plays out in a ton of different ways, at least it did for me, but I think its vital to explore and look at these methods of organization if one is ever truly interested in tapping into and integrating others into a broad and national movement.
Myself, well I was organized in my own neighborhood and along with my peers, that 500 foot drive was as good as ours. Of course the police had names for it, and there was some negative aspects of what some folks did that they called vandalizing,(although when a corporation paid 100 dollars to mark their territory it was called advertisement), but damn people knew who we were and what we were a part of, and since WE WERE THEIR KIDS, well they just nodded and smiled (but always reminded us to be good kids, which we actually were except for the occasional rumble and tumble..hah!) My point being, information traveled very fast to all parties that needed to know it, if something happened overnight, we knew it by morning, if there was a threat or something new/exciting, we all knew it, and if something happened to any one of us, we all did something about it. Am I wrong in thinking this is not like an organization?
What’s fascinating to me about this is what motivated us…. it was simply that we didnt want to take anyone else’s bullshit, period. We were proud, adventurous, and growing kids just trying to have fun in our block and not be limited by others, and to do that we banded together.
Here’s the thing, we werent unique… in fact there were probably over a hundred similar crews in my HS and that was just about 3000+ kids (although the school was built for 1000 and was in a very rundown state… different post, different time…)
None of us actually liked the shit that was going on or infringed on our rights, but we’d never care about it because its totally irrelevant. In fact, most of what we care about here is irrelevant when I go back home (as hard as that is to swallow since I give a shit about FISA and all that goes on this town) and I find it hard to discuss politics from this framework.
Second point and base of folks in the streets is those that are “in the streets” in the true sense of it. For those that have a chance to live, or have visited, DC…. you all know what I’m talking about. Folks are in the streets because…and….well, nobody gives a flying fu** about poor people.(this is true of many places I’ve seen and lived… but its more blatant and interesting to point out in DC as there is alot of CW and even “progressive wisdom” (and the courses of action their type of wisdom will lead them to take) in this town…
I’m just bringing these things up because I think you all are really onto something, and are making me challenge myself and try to be honest with myself for starters in terms of what I’m doing and what I’m not doing or thinking about when I think about movement, movement building, mobilization, and new strategies.
My thoughts are that its critical that folks who do want “movement” to stop defining it as the biggest name player in given issue/sector, stop and challenge our assumptions of what a movement is and would be in 2008/2009 in America, and what ways we are even connecting with the thousands of other local/neighborhood movements happening every day in cities and blocks across the country.
Just some thoughts, I wrote this in a rush and am sure I will be critical of pieces I wrote later on, but again…just some thoughts.
Welcome carlosinhp. Very nice opening to FDL.
Great piece, but the suggestion that there has been failure in Iraq implies there was a measure of success, some clearly defined goal to justify the Washington Killing Machine’s actions in that country. Of course, since the commencement of formal hostilities against Iraq, the Junta has not presented any. The only thing that is certain was that the Junta was intent on this act of aggression as soon as they took over the White House in 2001, commencing in Spring 2002.
From: The US War with Iran has Already Begun
From: Iraq War Preparations Began in 2001: A Time Line
wow - thank you so much for that thoughtful comment. you’ve given me a lot of good stuff to think about.
… looking forward to future discussions (please don’t let this be both your first and last comment!).
carlosinhp, welcome!
I loved your comment, and I am glad you have joined us here.
Felt some personal validation listening to Bill Moyers reiterate snippets included in my own analysis of the real mission in Iraq, especially on the heels of Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow’s similar report last week.
As to “talking about how much activity and organization there is online…and how little there is in the streets” — I am at my own wits end.
Last night, I read here about “persistent herbicide,” and then rounded out the evening by watching Hacking Democracy and Katrina Browne’s, Traces of the Trade.
This morning (dare I say it?), I found myself googling (to use a euphemism here — Moderator, please!), “extra-judicial self help.” Add this to another recent googling foray: “citizen’s arrest.” (Jotting down “fasting” and “monkey wrenching” for later searches.)
Would I join a million of my closest friends, to surround the White House and civilly demand the arrest and trial of it’s current
president and his gang? You betcha!Mild-mannered climatoligist, Dr. James Hansen, would also have CEOs of fossil energy companies “tried for high crimes against humanity and nature.”
We could have an online conference on “civil disobedience” (semi-snark).
Seriously, WhyTF isn’t civil disobedience the topic of every blog in leftblogistan?
As ever, thank you Christy and FDL!
Thanks for the comments and love all,
like many of you, I’m also “in it to win it”. These forums are a critical piece of my ability to get good and real information and analysis, so if you all keep doing what you’re doing, I’ll keep doing it on my end.
Not in the streets…..so, we’re lazy? We’re too complacent, comfortable with ‘luxury’, uncomfortable with being uncomfortable (like getting sweaty or being too hot) , etc.
To help those of us in the streets…
Can FDL add a “print this” function to the site?
It helps to walk “hard copy” to help people understand. Or, to leave hard copy behind in different locations. Or to attach to critter letters.
I’m late to this thread: the mother of all deck replacements - 2 months! - just came to an end. Had to remind my landlord’s nice contractors that the chunks of concrete and cement on the grass were not actually indigenous plant life, but constuction debris. sigh.
I’m so glad Christy raised this question, and I’ll enjoy returning to it in the months to come.
I saw the CISPES protests of the late 70’s/early 80’s from afar, but really only got active in the mid 90’s.
Over that time, I’ve seen single issue direct action (forest protection, which is where I started), economic policy protests (WTO in 1999; IMF/WB in DC in 2000), political convention protests (DNC in LA in 2000, RNC in 2004), and human rights protests (SF’s torch protests for Tibet this year).
I’ve observed as part of the infrastructure/logistics (”medic” services) and as part of the organizers for the IMF/WB and DNC protests).
From the massive Headwaters protests of 1996/1997 right through the incredibly successful Torch protests this spring in SF, the organizers use the “if you build it, they will come” model. That seems to work pretty well.
Over time, I’ve also seen orgnaizers (many of whom started in the very white, fairly privileged forest protection movement) examine the limits of coming in from “outside” and re-engineer their work to be more community based. [Here I’m thinking very specifically of the Ruckus Society, but I’ve seen the same in EarthFirst! and their Mountain Justice Campaign to end mountain-top removal mining].
I’ve also seen the infrastructure/support network for mass protests grow in experience and sophistication: we are everywhere.
Some of the same folks who organized the WTO protests headed to New Orleans even before Katrina arrived, knowing what was to come. That group included the people who had core roles in organizing the Common Ground clinic there.
Jennifer Whitney — one of the authors of We Are Everywhere — is in NOLA now, working with some of the most dispossessed folks there: spanish-speaking migrants, largely undocumented. She’s created a program, and is in the process getting it for funded so someone else can sustain it when she moves on to serve the community in other ways.
The folks who started the first Indymedia collective in Seattle for the WTO are like that: most (I’m told) have moved onto other areas of activism, leaving new and useful resources behind for the whole world to take up and use as they wish.
Ruckus — who now focus on serving indigenous communities, communities of color, and youth carrying on the global justice struggle — is another such example. In response to invitations, they come and in and empower local community activists and those who sign up for their camps with a range of skills: from banner making to climbing to messaging required fo successful mass action.
Then Ruckus goes on, leaving new skilled people to empower their own communities from within.
As discussed above in many eloquent comments, people increasingly are in the streets in a myriad of small, decentralized protests. Reading the discussion here, I’m also stuck by how poorly I’ve shared what I know here at FDL. Even though FDL is antithetical to MSM, I think I internalized the idea that “media” including FDL won’t be interested in “protest stuff”
Which, of course, is absurd: when the Olmympic
lighter on steroidstorch came to SF, FDL made space for me to wrtie about the issue, the protests, and even what the protests felt like for a participant (moi).All I had to do was ask.
I’ve been ambivalent about the Denver protests (I don’t want to see them misused against progressives, and I sure don’t want to see the 1968 electoral outcome “recreated”), and I still don’t know if I’ll go. But reading this thread has made me think there may be for a role for me there as a participant/blogger about the mass actions, rather than tjhe convention.
I know I’ll be in Minneapolis for the RNC protests, and I look forward to writing from there about the direct action and the organization for it. All I have to do is ask. If I can find the resources required to be in Denver, I’m inclined to do the same thing there.
I think the world of Naomi Klein and Tom Hayden, but in the global justice protests of the last decade, they are rock stars, not concert organizers.
Tom Hayden was at our convergence space in LA for the DNC protests, and we were glad. I didn’t see him during the interminable meetings we had to organize the convergence space itself (which went a lot better when we finally ceased to allow the “Socialist Worker” folks - who show up, with no visible means of support, across the county and gum up organizing with endless “Marxist” crap. Our tax dollars at work).
I didn’t expect to see Tom Hayden or Naomi Klein at those meetings, and I would have thought it a waste of their time if they’d shown up. The nuts and bolts of organizing huge protests isn’t where they’ve been putting their time and energy over the last years.
The WTO protest, the IMF/WB protests, the Headwaters forest protests and campaign: they all happened because “someone” didn’t wait for anyone else to do something. Instead, “someone” sat down and said “This sucks. Let’s do something about” — and they started organizing the protests.
If we organize it, “they” — we — will come. Along with a million or so of our new friends.
FDL (and other progressive blogs) have the communication/outreach power required to publicize mass demos in DC (or anywhere else).
All we have to do is ask.
Of course — as in Seattle — the “ask” sits atop months of planning and meetings and prep work. As the IMF/WB protests repeated over time, the organizers did better and better at working with local DC folks from the beginning, with the goal of including local concerns in the protests’ goals and messaging.
Did they (we) completely succeed? Nope. Did they (we) get the media coverage we wanted on our issues? Nope. Did we exercise our rights free of repression and illegal arrest? Nope.
Same with the WTO protests, the Headwaters campaign targeting Maxxam, and the RNC/DNC protests.
Did the protests succeed well enough? Yep. The WTO has never recovered from Seattle: we stopped their agenda and their attempt to supplant national rule with corporate policies via further “trade” agreements. The IMF/WB never recovered: staffers were demoralized, and among the IMF/WB “customers” what were once “fringe” criticisms are now accepted wisdom re the deadly effects of the Washington consensus. Both instituions are declining economically and in political power. At the conventions, the true goal isn’t to “shut down” the meeting: Seattle was a one-off. We won’t catch the Empire sleeping again. At the conventions, the huge public protests/demos forced alternative views into the MSM: letting all the folks who felt isolated know they really weren’t alone in their views. Letting them know the resistance to corporate Empire and the state power it releis upon is alive and active.
When “someone” steps up to organize mass protests around the White House, they won’t get the organizing perfect. Mass protests around national issues will never fully reflect community concerns. The DC police will still throw people in jail for no reason. The MSM will still belittle and minimize the protest, subsituting the “freak show” story re activist culture for substantiative coverage. The infiltrators like “John Glass“, the provocateurs like the now-infamous “Anna“, and the no-means-of-support Socialist Workers will try and disrupt
us“someone”. The insufferable ANSWER with their Marxist tactics and tired, angry speakers willstill try and jump to take of control of whatever “someone” organizes. [Word to the wise for “someone”: get your demo permits - or start negotiating for them - for DC for the dates you plan before you even start talking about organizing meetings. Makes it much harder for ANSWER to grab the permits first.]Though all the hassle and harassment above is real (all too real for Anna’s victim Eric McDavid), “someone” will have a lot of help. Awesome attorneys like Carl Messineo and Mara Verheyden-Hilliard and the rest of the Parternship For Civil Justice in DC will successfully defend “someone’s” right to roganize the protest and a million of someone’s friends’ right to assemble. The National Lawyers’ Guild will be there to help defend that right — and provide counsel for the accused and arrested. Who knows? If we get enough arrestees, we may have the chance to use the “jail jamming” technique Katya Komisaruk deployed so brilliantly in Seattle. W00t!
Seeds of Peace and Food Not Bombs will show up to feed “someone” and “someone’s” million friends.
Medics building on the Black Cross Medic Collective’s great work (including trials of pepper spray remedies on willing punk volunteers), empricism, and empowering trainings will come out to look after “someone” and “someone’s” million friends, and train the million in basic street medic skills.
The churches and places of worship and trade unionists and Rainbow Nation who came forth to support the IMF/WB protests will come out to support and find shelter for “someone” and “someone’s” million friends.
And the progressive blogosphere and Indymedia will carry “someone’s” invitation to the million friends.
If “someone” starts it, they will come.
“Someone” will have to figure out the time frame. Before Minneapolis/RNC, or after? After would be ideal, but October in DC can start getting cold. Before the RNC would be warmer, but a lot of logistical talent will be getting ready for the RNC.
We can let “someone” figure that one out.
“Someone” will want to form a small organizing committee ASAP, and bring in PCJ at the start. While “no one” will come out for one person’s call, the organizing committee (and their catchy acronym) will be the face and hands that set everything in motion.
That committee will have DC locals and others to do the core organizing — much of which consists of refereeing among those who come forward with a vision of “what to say” and “how to say it” so that all the speakers are heard, but none dominate. While the messaging folks
fight aboutdiscuss the wording and the speakers, the logistics folks will set up the infrastructure.We ARE everywhere.
Save for knowing it will be non-violent (and hopefully free of the hectoring, loud, disempowering, angry speakers ANSWER inflicts on demos), the organizing committee will start out with a date and an idea: “surround the White House”.
The people who step forth to plan will create their version of that vision.
And then “someone’s” million friends will show up and they and the affinity groups they make will show up and decide what they want to do.
And then Tom Hayden and Naomi Klein — and the rest of the world — can see all those “people in the streets”.
All because someone said “This sucks. Let’s do something about it”.
So. Who wants to be “someone” today?
~~~ModNote: Would like to see comments this long broken up into smaller segments in the future. Thanks.~~~
Let the facts do the talking. Take the fact - gas too expensive; show evidence that would have credence for the average American; (important)-show links/references to the source of your evidence, so the reader feels involved; put this in your regional papers as an ad - you need only to educate the masses on the facts. The anger felt by the consumer will prevent the administration’s bull sh-t from taking hold, and the truth, as defined by the facts, will come to the forefront. The American Citizen will then come alive, and I believe there is a very good possibility we will come out of this ok. (By the way, does this sound like a blog, so in essence, we take a very good essay from a bog and make it into an ad, and have that blog sponsor it (if that is a safe and doable thing to do).
Food for thought
oops.
sorry, mods.
someoneI will do better.wait, I just caught this…
are your posts responses to mine? If so, then I should feel honored to have my first experience with someone talking sh** online…. and I like it! Sadly, I cant spend as much time on this as I did on the original comment, but here’s some thoughts….
Did I at any point say you should be in the streets? Are you offended or taken what I say personally?
Note that I wasnt taking aim at anyone or any real sphere, I was just putting some experiences and thoughts down. I could have easily started writing a piece on non-profits and the NPIC, staffers, liberals, “progressives”, democrats, or any other labeled group of people.
I chose to not do that….those arent the problem….trust me I have some beef and I’m pissed off as fuck… but I chose how and when I talk to people strategically as I am trying to move a plan. If I meant to take someone down, I would do so clearly and with proof. If what I wrote bothers you… well good, deal with it, figure out why. Let me know what you come up with.
the problem is rigid minds that believe that there is nothing possible except what they have come to learn/believe. The problem is that we don’t look at the outside world through eyes but ours, and don’t leave room for other possibilities.
Sound vague? sure does to me… and that’s because the problem is different in all of us. I would be a pretty self-righteous and egotistical person if I actually did believe I knew the set answers to the questions I posed. (granted, I’ve definitely got an ego…. but hey…. I’m working on it.)
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WORDSMITH - Not in the streets…..so, we’re lazy? We’re too complacent, comfortable with ‘luxury’, uncomfortable with being uncomfortable (like getting sweaty or being too hot) , etc.
IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION… I dont know, are you? Any reason you are expecting me to answer that one for you? What am I, an “Ask Column”?
If I answered yes, while it could apply to some people who sure as hell are lazy, complacent, and living in luxury, I would offend and make a hell of an assumption as it is not true for many others.
If I answer no, well I cant answer this as a no, because there are people like that… it sucks but its true, what you gonna do? Me… I’ll get to know them and figure out what moves them.
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Klynn - I was merely commenting on the reality of living in DC and everyday seeing people struggling to get by. Wondering at night when I’m going home how they’ll make it in the rain. I’m no saint, and don’t know, but I was merely noting that there are folks that have gotten the really bad side of the deal and asking if these would be folks that would agree with the issue based on their experience, but is irrelevant due to current situation which takes precedent over whatever others think is important.
and you know what,
c/s
http://www.urbandictionary.com.....=con+safos
Just in case…
hi carlosinhp. FWIW, I didn’t find what you wrote in your first comment to be offensive or an attack on anyone. FWIW, I also didn’t read Wordsmith or Klynn’s comments as criticism or “talking shit” about your first comment.
At the conclusion of her post, Christy asked a really good question:
So near as I can tell, each of us is responding to that excellent question.
(Fortunately for the Lake, our severs, and our mods, each is far more concise than I have been…)
ahhh…
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I’ll hold my horses… I guess I’m excited at putting thoughts and getting push back on it. I apologize if any overzealous comment was disrespectful,
and I appreciate what you wrote…. I’m a fan of CISPES & Ruckus
thanks for the help!
carlosinhp, no worries! I’m glad you’re here. And glad you like CISPES and Ruckus. When you have a chance, I’d love to hear more about groups/efforts that you’re fond of.
I hope that summer in DC is less humid than I remember it being…
be well!
IrishJim, I hope those folks get in touch with the National Lawyers Guild and give Amy Goodman at Democracy Now a call.