Comments on: The Deep Green And the Shore http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:32:18 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: CanuckStuckinMuck http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1521061 CanuckStuckinMuck Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:27:20 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1521061 <p>Ian,<br /> Thanks for your response. I’m a little late with the thanks, I know. I hope you understand that I wasn’t asking for “advice” so much as wisdom. You have it. I (we) don’t. So your words were reassuring. And the best advice, perhaps, is to make some informed decisions, as you point out, and let the egg incubate.<br /> Bye for now</p> Ian,
Thanks for your response. I’m a little late with the thanks, I know. I hope you understand that I wasn’t asking for “advice” so much as wisdom. You have it. I (we) don’t. So your words were reassuring. And the best advice, perhaps, is to make some informed decisions, as you point out, and let the egg incubate.
Bye for now

]]> By: Cujo359 http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519940 Cujo359 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:51:48 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519940 <p>Nice essay, Ian. I had the opposite sensation when I moved out to the West Coast from the East many years ago. The trees are, or at least were, huge out here. They’re getting smaller for the same reason they did back east, though - they’re being cut down.</p> <p>At one time the East Coast, particularly the Mid-Atlantic and New England, had trees the size of the old growth forests in the West. They had so many large trees that they could use single trees to compose the large structural beams on the sailing ships they built, including the large warships. They were eventually deforested, though. Today, there are supposedly more forests there than there were a century ago.</p> Nice essay, Ian. I had the opposite sensation when I moved out to the West Coast from the East many years ago. The trees are, or at least were, huge out here. They’re getting smaller for the same reason they did back east, though – they’re being cut down.

At one time the East Coast, particularly the Mid-Atlantic and New England, had trees the size of the old growth forests in the West. They had so many large trees that they could use single trees to compose the large structural beams on the sailing ships they built, including the large warships. They were eventually deforested, though. Today, there are supposedly more forests there than there were a century ago.

]]> By: joelmael http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519933 joelmael Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:41:24 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519933 <p>Nice Ian,</p> <p>Middle of a midsummer night, a clearing by a swamp deep in the woods of northern Minnesota, full moon near bright as day illuminates this whole world, music of the swamp critters…makes me cry with joy to remember</p> Nice Ian,

Middle of a midsummer night, a clearing by a swamp deep in the woods of northern Minnesota, full moon near bright as day illuminates this whole world, music of the swamp critters…makes me cry with joy to remember

]]> By: Ian Welsh http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519894 Ian Welsh Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:25:15 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519894 <p>I tend to be leary of giving investment advice out, both because I’m not all that good at it, and because this is the internet.</p> <p>General principle: if you live in the US and work in the US, you’re exposed enough to the US. Try and diversify out. </p> <p>Pay down that debt.</p> <p>Don’t try and day/week play the markets unless you’re willing to make that your life and you have the right personality (and you almost certainly don’t, since almost no one does). Don’t just forget where your money is either, but don’t fidget with it.</p> <p>A garden and some sort of reduction of energy needs/generation are good investments. Even if things don’t go real bad they’ll probably pay back the investment over time.</p> <p>Stay on good terms with your neighbors, friends, family and if you have one, your spouse. The worst thing that can happen to one’s finances is usually a divorce.</p> <p>The problem is we’re going to see real asset deflation in financial assets — we are already. It’s going to continue for some time. That makes it tricky to figure out where to put money, the thing to do is to figure out who’s going to have pricing power, and be willing to make that bet. But you can get it wrong. Are oil companies a good 10 to 20 year bet, for example? I can make a case for or against.</p> I tend to be leary of giving investment advice out, both because I’m not all that good at it, and because this is the internet.

General principle: if you live in the US and work in the US, you’re exposed enough to the US. Try and diversify out.

Pay down that debt.

Don’t try and day/week play the markets unless you’re willing to make that your life and you have the right personality (and you almost certainly don’t, since almost no one does). Don’t just forget where your money is either, but don’t fidget with it.

A garden and some sort of reduction of energy needs/generation are good investments. Even if things don’t go real bad they’ll probably pay back the investment over time.

Stay on good terms with your neighbors, friends, family and if you have one, your spouse. The worst thing that can happen to one’s finances is usually a divorce.

The problem is we’re going to see real asset deflation in financial assets — we are already. It’s going to continue for some time. That makes it tricky to figure out where to put money, the thing to do is to figure out who’s going to have pricing power, and be willing to make that bet. But you can get it wrong. Are oil companies a good 10 to 20 year bet, for example? I can make a case for or against.

]]> By: CanuckStuckinMuck http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519891 CanuckStuckinMuck Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:13:35 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519891 <p>Hi, Ian.<br /> I was born in the Queen Charlottes and lived in and around Vancouver for 30-odd years. I have felt the way you feel ever since moving to California. You can’t truly call THIS rain! Can you?<br /> Such peaceful thoughts are warranted, but confounding, after your post of yesterday with its thrum of social and economic doom, and the portent of a new Great Depression. One question, I believe, remains unanswered. I’m 55, and was only able to begin putting away for my retirement in the last 10 years. If mutual funds and their keepers are a losing proposition, as is cash in an inflationary environment, and commodities too volatile, and bonds too iffy, where should one’s retirement funds be kept? A mattress? What if the central bank implodes? Gold? Very expensive and hard to dole out to vendors. Ruble? Yuan? Dinar? Oil? Again, storage and disbursement issues.<br /> I won’t hold you to it. But I would like to know whether I should just hold my breath and hope for the best, or something different.<br /> Sorry if this is REALLY off-topic.</p> Hi, Ian.
I was born in the Queen Charlottes and lived in and around Vancouver for 30-odd years. I have felt the way you feel ever since moving to California. You can’t truly call THIS rain! Can you?
Such peaceful thoughts are warranted, but confounding, after your post of yesterday with its thrum of social and economic doom, and the portent of a new Great Depression. One question, I believe, remains unanswered. I’m 55, and was only able to begin putting away for my retirement in the last 10 years. If mutual funds and their keepers are a losing proposition, as is cash in an inflationary environment, and commodities too volatile, and bonds too iffy, where should one’s retirement funds be kept? A mattress? What if the central bank implodes? Gold? Very expensive and hard to dole out to vendors. Ruble? Yuan? Dinar? Oil? Again, storage and disbursement issues.
I won’t hold you to it. But I would like to know whether I should just hold my breath and hope for the best, or something different.
Sorry if this is REALLY off-topic.

]]> By: dmac http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519886 dmac Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:05:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519886 <p>where i came from, there is someone who looked so much like me that one of my best friends got out of the car and went into the restaurant to see what i was doing working at arby’s….</p> <p>and there is a lady here who looks a lot like me, at a gas station, we stare at each other…and people have ’hollered’ at me before thinking i am her.</p> <p>=======ok, here it is<br /><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/28020777@N05/2621936346/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/2.....621936346/</a></p> <p>gonna have to change my file names, f, is for family pictures<br /> i was waiting for people to arrive at d-c’s for a big bash and their pet duck had a crush on me and wouldn’t leave me aloone, pecking at my dress, at me, it had finally travelled off and i was looking around….best friend took the shot…#### and i crashed in the hayloft in sleeping bags that night……the dean of girls at my old high school came in the next morning to feed her animals, d&c rented the farm from her…she never knew we were up there, and wouldn’t have cared..man that was funny, i forgot it was her farm…i spent a few hours in her office a few years before, demerits from skipping classes….i had already gotten enough credits by junior year and hated being there…..<br /> =======</p> where i came from, there is someone who looked so much like me that one of my best friends got out of the car and went into the restaurant to see what i was doing working at arby’s….

and there is a lady here who looks a lot like me, at a gas station, we stare at each other…and people have ’hollered’ at me before thinking i am her.

=======ok, here it is
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2…..621936346/

gonna have to change my file names, f, is for family pictures
i was waiting for people to arrive at d-c’s for a big bash and their pet duck had a crush on me and wouldn’t leave me aloone, pecking at my dress, at me, it had finally travelled off and i was looking around….best friend took the shot…#### and i crashed in the hayloft in sleeping bags that night……the dean of girls at my old high school came in the next morning to feed her animals, d&c rented the farm from her…she never knew we were up there, and wouldn’t have cared..man that was funny, i forgot it was her farm…i spent a few hours in her office a few years before, demerits from skipping classes….i had already gotten enough credits by junior year and hated being there…..
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]]> By: Elliott http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519879 Elliott Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:50:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519879 <p>Ian, this was a wonderful soothing Sunday morning thread, thanks :)</p> Ian, this was a wonderful soothing Sunday morning thread, thanks :)

]]> By: dmac http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519876 dmac Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:46:06 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519876 <p>ohbytheway at 87–</p> <p>neat, yep, that’s me, i’ll post one from younger years and see ir we looked alike then, too.</p> <p>only thing is, with our facial structure, we look different in every photo…..</p> <p>i’ll try to upload it, but if it doesn’t work first try, gonna have to do it tonight, in a hurry to go to friend’s house, the one with the incredible gardens, maybe she’ll let me post a few pics……</p> <p>and thanks for delurking.</p> <p>an email for me is dmactree at yahoo com</p> ohbytheway at 87–

neat, yep, that’s me, i’ll post one from younger years and see ir we looked alike then, too.

only thing is, with our facial structure, we look different in every photo…..

i’ll try to upload it, but if it doesn’t work first try, gonna have to do it tonight, in a hurry to go to friend’s house, the one with the incredible gardens, maybe she’ll let me post a few pics……

and thanks for delurking.

an email for me is dmactree at yahoo com

]]> By: DWBartoo http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519874 DWBartoo Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:42:48 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519874 <p>Agreed.</p> <p>One wonders how they regard us.</p> <p>(”Eek! They look a lot like us. But they act kindda weird.”)</p> Agreed.

One wonders how they regard us.

(”Eek! They look a lot like us. But they act kindda weird.”)

]]> By: tw3k http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519870 tw3k Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:37:13 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/29/the-deep-green-and-the-shore/#comment-1519870 <p>cool tail! but with a face like jimmy duranty</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp7r0j4XrO8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp7r0j4XrO8</a></p> cool tail! but with a face like jimmy duranty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp7r0j4XrO8

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