I’m not a big fan of the wilderness. My father was a forester, and as a child I was hauled along on enough unpleasant and uncomfortable trips to develop a distaste for jolting pickup truck rides and boring conversations about varieties of trees. The Boy Scouts didn’t improve things—I mainly remember the long nights of slow dripping torment in tents that never, ever, kept the rain out, no matter what you did.
I don’t quite like the deep green, the wet and rotting world of the Pacific rainforest along the west coast. People who haven’t spent much time in it never get the picture right. It can be a hellish world. One of my uncles used to cruise timber spending months in the coastal forests. He would come back slug white and drained by months without seeing the sun. People’s skin would rot. The deep green is a dark world, one where the sun never shines, where fallen trees rot quietly, infested with a world of bugs and grubs – white and black swarming over their repast and home. It rains more days than not, but no matter how strong the rain what you experience below is a slow and absolutely endless and relentless drip, drip, drip till the memory of dryness is faint and the lust for it is your steady companion.
Even as neither day nor night is as beautiful as dawn or dusk—sunrise or sunset—the deep green is most beautiful where it fades into something else—shore or creek or glade. The glades offer blessed sun and relief from the eternal damp and in the right season a profusion of wildflowers. Most creeks don’t offer much sun—the canopy arcs over them, but the bubble and swirl of water over and around smooth round stones and the flash of silver fish languid and quick in the water are some of my favorite sights.
For me, however, it’s as the rainforest thins towards the shore that its true beauty shines. Mostly it’s the combination of water and sun that brings out the beauty. The eternal drip, drip, drip that makes the deep green a rotting hell throws up endless beauty as the canopy thins. I remember a huge fern, taller than a small child, with drops of water that shimmered with the blurred hues of a rainbow, more beautiful than any diamond. Likewise the sun shining through the forest’s roof leaves the forest suffused with a light green glow that is enchanting. It’s a beauty that shows only in the pauses amongst the interminable rain, a few brief shining hours, but it is perhaps more enchanting for its brevity and rarity.
When I moved out East, I traveled through the forest and thought it scrub. Compared to the rain forest of the west coast, normal forests can never compare. They are never green enough, alive enough or thick enough.
To me, forest will always mean the deep green and natural beauty will always be where it sweeps down to shore and thins out on the edge of the sand or rock and the sweet rotting scent of humus is joined to the salt tang of wind off the sea.
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What beautiful writing, Ian. Thank you.
Good morning. It’s quiet and peaceful here.
Beautiful imagery Ian. :)
Being the son of a US Forest Service scientist, I spent a lot of time in the high Sierras in northern California … most of our family vacations were camping trips, mostly in Forest Service campgrounds. People in Texas like to say everything is big here, but unless they’ve been out of the state, they’ve never really seen a big tree.
Ha. Having hiked extensively in the east before doing same in west, I found western mtns not nearly green enuf. Washington rain forest is a different story though.
I’ve only ever camped the deep green, and then only in the summer months, but I’ve loved the majestic quiet, the many shades of green, and the light sifting gently through the layers of boughs.
Thanks. Beautiful writing indeed.
G’morning, Ian, Twain, AC.
The northern Minnesota forest is my soul home. Well, actually, my soul home is Lake Superior, which is surrounded by dense and verdant forests. The smell of pine woods is incomparable. It soothes the soul even as the carpet of pine needles softens footfalls.
That said, the forest and the big lake need contrast to underscore their immense size and beauty. The eye can only take in so much at one time. I’ve found that it’s necessary to intersperse the macro vastness with micro snippets lest I literally lose the trees for the forest.
I have visited the redwood forests of California, but regretfully, have not (yet) made it to the Pacific Northwest. David and I had hoped to travel there later this summer. May not happen. But we live in hope, yes? Yes.
Morning Ian
There aren’t many areas of old growth forests in the East, so yeah, they are scrub.
That was beautiful,Ian. Like poetry. Makes me want to get out today, into a real forrest. The Colorado Rocky Mountain kind.
Thank you for a lovely “trip” out of Sunday morning news.
:)
Listening to Yoo & Addington is too much torture for me today. I’m off to some more pleasant activity, like getting bit by ticks carrying Lyme disease. (Just kidding.)
Now this is a big tree.
Easy to monitor. Blood-sucking critters will always come at you from the right.
Kidding, yes, but if you really had to choose one over the other, you probably would opt for the ticks.
That’ll help my contractor, who’s obsessed about Lyme disease. He’s a pink diaper baby who was the first to point out to me (about a decade ago) that there was no Left left in this country. He’ll appreciate your help. *g*
We can get pretty wet forests here in Upstate NY too. I remember one summer when I spent a month on Seneca Lake at a camp. When I pulled my leather shoes out from under my bed when I was packing up to go home, I had to throw them away(which definitely displeased my parents at the time). But yes, the Pacific NW is a whole different beast.
Another story about my obsessed contractor. He told me I needed a signigicant other in my life, to inspect my back for ticks at the end of the day. I told him I’d rather have Lyme disease.
Well, now wait a minute. Monkeys do this for each other. Why not peoples?
Seconded.
For the tree-lovers in the house, I highly recommend this book by Thomas Pakenham.
Having lived around and romped in the forests on the east coast, the Rocky Mountains and the northern west coast, for me none of that compares with the beauty and awesomeness of the jungles of Viet Nam and Cambodia.
SD, what are they like?
Beautiful, Ian, just beautiful. I am a long way from the deep green forests (NW Indiana), but it’s been rainy this morning and my house is surrounded by tall trees, and sitting on my screened porch feels like sitting in the green woods you write about.
EPU’d from the previous thread: anyone who is thinking of joining the new group at Obama.com that urges him to reconsider FISA, be sure to check that you DON’T want to receive email, or you will be subscribed to a ListServ list and will receive an email EVERY TIME someone joins and posts.
This blog has me totally overspending my book budget. (”Book budget” being my obsessive purchase of books on impulse.) Thanks for this one, AC.
oh, I’m SURE SD. We don’t have the gas $ for that, unfortunately.
I’m sure the trip would be similar to this, from Google Earth.
lol
Oak Savanna, blending from the Great Plains to the Hard Wood of the East.
That be an *interesting* contractor you got there, girl. Tell him you’re gonna check the yellow pages for tick inspectors……likely to be much cheaper than a significant other in the long run (seasonal work, don’ya know). *g*
eCAHN - 26 belongs to you.
While we wait for SD, I’ll chime in. First, I’ll defend the east coast - I sit right now in the Adirondacks, looking out on the lake and mist. Thick ferns to the shore, huge yellow birches and firs.
But I also have a love of the jungle, the last patches in northern Guatemala. And the place I love most is where it meets something else - the mighty Usumacinta River. Highway of the ancient Maya, it is now all but empty of people, passing through great chasms of forest. May it always be so.
Would be nice to think that we humans had left at least one place alone.
Most of my books are still in storage since the move from Louisiana to Texas, so I’ve mostly avoided acquiring more, but my eventual goal is floor-to-ceiling bookshelves in the front room (which my wife calls the Living Room, but I contend should be the Parlor) with one of those library ladders on rolling tracks.
Thick, green, omg the green, and wet. When the sun starts to rise the humidity rises with it. “Steam” rises from everything from the moisture left during the night, many times creating a ground fog. The jungle grows right into the rivers and tributaries. If you’re on the water you can’t see 10 meters into the bush. Many a time I’ve thought I could just go off into the bush, build a little hooch, plant some crops and live happily ever after. Most beautiful place I’ve ever been.
AirportCat, you might enjoy this, then.
:)
Thank you. Was buying something one day and started to talk with the seller. He told me he was from Vietnam and then how beautiful his country is. You could just hear the longing in his voice. I felt so sorry for him. I would feel the same way if I had to leave my country.
Great post, Ian.
Sorry to go OT, but I just had to say how proud I am of Christina vanden Heuval and Ariana Huffington! They did just a great job with Hewitt and York, I thought. I just wish there would have been time for Ariana to complete her thought, and that her thought would have gone something like: It’s hard to worry too much about whether your armies are being distributed well enough between the two war fronts your fighting on, or the fact that you now have no strategic reserve to protect against any further incidents, when you’re hungry and cold due to lack of money for basic essentials like food and energy because your elected officials have created a disastrous economic situation.
Yeah, exactly: how does he reach the books on the top shelves without a ladder, does he stand on the desk? Other than that it looks great … maybe the ladder is just out of view in the picture?
A few years ago the BBC Radio 4 program A Map of British Poetry did a season called Coasts/Edges.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/map6.shtml
This was reminder of that theme — and in the words of Sidney Lanier:
To the edge of the wood I am drawn, I am drawn,
Where the gray beach glimmering runs, as a belt of the dawn,
Ditto — what you said works for the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
Last year flying from Marquette to Chicago for YearlyKos was a real treat (one I look forward to again in a couple weeks). The vast greenness of the forest, its relative lack of development bordering an equally vast expanse of blue lake was incredible when viewed from the air; the contrast is heightened when flying into Chicago and its urban sprawl. As we took off from Marquette I could see deer running across glades — and in less than two hours there is little green and no wildlife, only vehicles and pavement and buildings below.
I needed to see that, to realize what we’ve done to ourselves and our environ in such a short time. What a psychic relief to return to that vast unbroken green if only for the rest of my vacation.
(Ian — there are numerous other places like you’ve described in the U.S., but they are threatened. Locations in northern boreal forests like Michigan and Minnesota, the Hawaiian Islands can be deeply green. Fortunately they are punctuated with lake shore and beaches for you.)
I once worked with a native of the flat, treeless Texas Panhandle. In his career, he had worked in forested East Texas and came to hate trees. He returned to the Panhandle and did not like to see a single tree between himself and the horizon. Although I never got that bad, a couple of years living in Louisiana pine flats did give me an appreciation for the distances seen on the great plains. The drama is often in the skies.
There is actually a town in Texas called “No Trees”, so named because its distinguishing feature was (no kidding) a total lack of trees.
I’ve lived in Dalhart and Amarillo. I can believe it.
LOL
I would really hate that but I guess the people there are proud of it. Good for them.
i can be in the woods for HOURS………
i’m se ohio appalachia, it’s beautiful, most diverse plant life, insect life, animal, bird, etc. in north america……
yep.
i am surrounded by woods except for in the front…..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2…..616841162/
here’s a bark shot of my shagbark hickory by my deck, it is huge..the deck is right up in it…one limb goes out and then flat, squirrels nap there when they aren’t raiding the feeders and tormenting my dog.
once, my calico kitty took a chipmunk up there and left it, i thought it was dead and how was i gonna get it down before it stunk? right out of reach, well, the chipmuck woke up sat there for a while, goin’ wtf? how’d i get in a tree?……sunshine sat on the deck rail a few feet below waiting for it…..it got away-down the trunk.
all kinds of birds hang out there, i have deck feeders a few feet away……they all have their favorite twigs on which to perch, even the hummingbirds….migratory birds who don’t eat seed even land in it spring and fall……have warblers even, on their way to somewhere else….
only thing is, the nut drop has started, bonk, roll roll roll bink from the roof, was doing it last night when i was at fdl…….bonk…bounce bounce bounce direct drop to the deck, is a constant seranade…right now they’re about a quarter and will grow to the size of a tangerine and bigger..i have the chairs under the wide eaves of the house except for one, and the cats hide under it and the picnic table once the drop starts…..in a month, it will be bomb drop…..huge…..and there’s a buckeye tree on the other end, so, the nut drop is a big joke amongst my friends and me…….and later when they’re big, the squirrels will sit in the limbs above my dog, skinning the hulls off the nuts and spit them right on her head!!!! brats. it’s pretty funny…..it’s messy, but i love my nut trees, they draw all kinds of activity…..
Actually, I believe the spelling is “Notrees” … I think it’s just a little ways east of the southeast corner of New Mexico.
I got that out of a book called “1,001 Texas Place Names” and iirc, their first two or three choices for a town name were rejected by the postal service because they were in use elsewhere, so finally the postal service sent back to ask them was there anything distinguishing or unusual about the town, and the reply was “well, there are no trees.”
I might be going out on a limb, but this post seems to prove not all liberals are tree huggers.
Liberty Hill, TX, has no hill and exists because it was awarded a Post Office as a political favor.
You just hafta love Texas. They have unusual ways of doing things.
Lends a new meaning to “Flat Earthers”.
Here in the Ozark Mountains, clear cutting of old growth built the first railways across much of the midwest. Since that time two more major clear cuttings has occurred, so old growth is hard to find. Walking in any forrest requires years of acclimation for the uninitiated before it becomes something other than a struggle. I always preferred camping in fall, winter or spring myself, just because the insects and snakes are not an issue.. But spending hot summer days on cool clear rivers (like this) which runs through my back yard. Priceless.
Another point about our mountain range many don’t know about is it’s the oldest in the US geologically speaking and was once the highest in the lower 48 area, much higher than the Rockies are today.
So, Ian, Oregon or Washington, British Columbia maybe?
It sounds to me like Southwest Oregon, where I grew up, but the scene you describe hop scotches all the way from Southern Oregon to Alaska.
The rain and damp do tend to get depressing after a while but the Summertime can be gorgeous like nowhere on earth.
beautiful picture. do you fish in that river?
thanks ian, this made me remember something that was important in my life.
here’s the first poem i ever wrote–was in response to william cullen bryant’s thantopsis
http://www.poetry-archive.com/b/thanatopsis.html
i was supposed to write a critique for english lit in high school, couldn’t come up with anything, i wrote a poem instead….
in the woods
there is a silence
as still as death may be
and all the corpses
lying there
are leaves fallen from the trees
each leaf that
falls so lightly
is a body the way i see
and i will eventually
be like the leaves
and slowly drift from my tree
========
the woods have always been a solace for me, i even used to do my homework there, which is what i was doing when i wrote this, sitting by a tiny creek, in pristine woods behind our subdivision house……my dad later tried to buy that part of the land, but it was already sold to a developer….houses there now…..but they let the honeysuckle and scrub trees go wild all around, so, can’t see neighbors in the summer is still woodsy behind the house…..
p.s. one of the google site listed said—Also in “Thanatopsis,” William Cullen Bryant describes how man’s purpose should be to become one with nature
Ian, this post is so honest. I grew up in a house build in a redwood grove in northern CA. Local indians avoided redwood groves believing them haunted. The feelings they evoke are as you describe, but I will add that the wet cold is the worst part IMO. It’s a cold like no other.
Ian,
As the child of a dendrologist me own self, it was my particular happy fate to spend every summer of my life from the age of five to thirteen, in the Allegheny National Forest of Pennsylvania, where my father was in charge of Penn State’s Forestry Camp.
By the age of eight I was trusted to wander about in a temperate rain forest not so lush as the wetter forest of your poetic lines, nonetheless, I had a toal blast and would not change my experiences for the world.
My companions were tree frogs, squirells, efts, newts, white-tailed deer and the occassional elk. Whatever ’social’ skills I may have failed to have been tutored in, and whatever lamentation, was mine on occassion, owing to being unable to participate in Little League, were far outstripped by the everyday education and pleasure the woodlands provided me.
Some of us are simply very lucky.
Southern Dragon, those friends of mine who were also in Vietnam all say the say the same, though not so eloquently or with such appealling imagery.
Both you and Ian are sylvan poets extraordinaire …
My great appreciation to both of you.
I have long suspected thast both of you were shaped by a love of the glade and the glen, which is why, no doubt, I so often find myself in deep agreement with both of you.
You both know the quiet center …
Ian, Vine Maple.
You know what I am talking about.
Ive hacked my way through a bunch of that in my day.
Busted, I agree that the summer forest can be spectacular. And that’s the only forest the tourists see. Some fall in love with that forest and foolishly decide to move in year round. They get quite a shock.
That was my thought. I’m certain he must have a ladder. Why keep the books if one cannot get to them?
And moldy.
Smallmouth Bass.
eureka at 49
beautiful, i saw it the other day when i looked at your pics……reminds me of a place friends lived years ago, that was ’some fun’……i am a water baby. spent hours by and in that river. my favorite thing is always looking for rocks and things…..then takin’ a dip to cool off, then treasure hunting some more.
I love the deep woods, I miss them. I used to play in them day after day. I have stood on top of Douglas Fir stumps cut in the early 1900’s that were twelve feet across!
A couple of years ago, David and I did the Circle Drive around Lake Superior. Gorgeous! Discovered how beautiful northern Wisconsin and lower MI are. Didn’t get into the UP, but having lived next door to a sales dude whose territory that was, became intimately acquainted with Ontanogan, L’Anse, et al. He didn’t sell much, but loved the area and painted such vivid word pix, I could see it, too.
Boy I read all these nice compliments for Ian’s post but where are the shovels digging his POST?
Very nice descriptive post Ian… Kinda reminds me of Maine’s northern swamp where when it is not frozen is always wet and dank! Over 80% of the woods in Maine is just such swamp land with lots of little beaver ponds and native trout in them.
LOL. Punaise would be proud o’you.
Yes, the mold. On everything.
The more I read my description the more I think how inadequate it is. The variety of birds and animals, their calls and movement, all a part of it. Even the goddamned leeches; but here they have two legs and feed from a common trough.
Left ya one downstairs.
Luckily, I was right on the coast, it’s Like Ian says.Beautiful. One minute it is so dark and gloomy under the canopy and the next you are standing next to a tree looking out at the ocean with the sun blinding you off of the waves.
I can totally see his viewpoint though, being dragged around in it, the dusty washboard gravel roads, hours and hours of the same thing all the time. A bright spot would finding a small store to break up the monotony.
It’s not for everyone, for sure.
I agree with Ian. I have always disliked–even resented–the dark cold of the forest. The indians had it right in my estimation.
Two-legged leeches …
Bloodly suckin’ Right!
Saw ya downstairs, and left you one too.
forgot to say
my 52, that was written in october/autumn, when the leaves have changed and are falling, when everything is closing down for the winter…..and yes, it was a little chilly…..but i had layers.
Heh. I find jungles unpleasant too. Same reasons, exchanging “hot” for “cold”.
Both jungle and forest teem with life unconcerned by what they own, who they know or what the latest fad is. I’ll take that over our “civilized society” any day.
Bouncing back and forth between threads is drivin’ my eyes crazy. This was my last from downstairs to your 164.
After I got back to the world I thought that these eyes had seen way too much for their age. And to think that now children will have seen things an old man would cry over.
What amazed me about some jungle is that I couldn’t put my hand a foot into it, it was that thick. amazing.
BC mostly.
That explains a lot, actually.
Old growth.
Where I grew up had been logged and Old Growth was hard to find but it was there in patches.
I find, living inland, that it is the Sea I miss the most. Living near a creek where it fed into the ocean would be my dream home, I think.
Yeah, mine eyes, but I left ya one, if ya care to look, SD.
;~D
Lakes too. I love lakes. I don’t much enjoy hiking, but I love canoeing and fishing. I can walk up and down creeks or coastlines for hours or even days.
Ding!
I too miss the ocean. I live right next to the Columbia River but it is not even close.
Christy is upstairs with a new thread…
No, the world hasn’t gone mad. A portion of humankind has gone mad with no concern other than the moment and what it can bring. That leads into a discussion of the nature of the beast, man, a creature that constructs nothing of endurance, destroying the natural balance of life in the process. The only creature on the planet that kills other sentient beings for sport, or pleasure, if you will, and at the same time we expect that creature to care for and nurture other sentient beings.
you could be describing Borneo
look what I literally ran in to in that ground fog !
If the picture in your link collection is you then we have some similiarities. I thought it was a picture of me at first. Rare to find some one who looks like me. Sorry for the personal nature of this post but I just couldn’t pass up commenting. I am a lurker.
Phyllis Voss Culbert
Ah, the human animal, how noble, how crass, how wise, how much of a pain in the ass.
But only 18% of them, residing in ‘Murkah, actually believe that the sun revolves around the earth.
We are definitely making progress in that respect, compared to three thousand years ago.
The problem is that we are still operating with a stone age brain, even more primitive emotional grasp and the utter conviction that we are either God’s chosen or what evolution had in mind from the beginning …
And we’re still a tad weak on perspective …
For and instant, I thought, “You ran into William F. Buckley in Borneo?”
Welcome to the Lake. Don’t just lurk - stay and chat awhile. We love new people.
What a gorgeous animal.
Now THAT is funny. Aren’t these animals wonderful - that nose and sagging belly.
What Twain said.
cool tail! but with a face like jimmy duranty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp7r0j4XrO8
Agreed.
One wonders how they regard us.
(”Eek! They look a lot like us. But they act kindda weird.”)
ohbytheway at 87–
neat, yep, that’s me, i’ll post one from younger years and see ir we looked alike then, too.
only thing is, with our facial structure, we look different in every photo…..
i’ll try to upload it, but if it doesn’t work first try, gonna have to do it tonight, in a hurry to go to friend’s house, the one with the incredible gardens, maybe she’ll let me post a few pics……
and thanks for delurking.
an email for me is dmactree at yahoo com
Ian, this was a wonderful soothing Sunday morning thread, thanks :)
where i came from, there is someone who looked so much like me that one of my best friends got out of the car and went into the restaurant to see what i was doing working at arby’s….
and there is a lady here who looks a lot like me, at a gas station, we stare at each other…and people have ’hollered’ at me before thinking i am her.
=======ok, here it is
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2.....621936346/
gonna have to change my file names, f, is for family pictures
i was waiting for people to arrive at d-c’s for a big bash and their pet duck had a crush on me and wouldn’t leave me aloone, pecking at my dress, at me, it had finally travelled off and i was looking around….best friend took the shot…#### and i crashed in the hayloft in sleeping bags that night……the dean of girls at my old high school came in the next morning to feed her animals, d&c rented the farm from her…she never knew we were up there, and wouldn’t have cared..man that was funny, i forgot it was her farm…i spent a few hours in her office a few years before, demerits from skipping classes….i had already gotten enough credits by junior year and hated being there…..
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Hi, Ian.
I was born in the Queen Charlottes and lived in and around Vancouver for 30-odd years. I have felt the way you feel ever since moving to California. You can’t truly call THIS rain! Can you?
Such peaceful thoughts are warranted, but confounding, after your post of yesterday with its thrum of social and economic doom, and the portent of a new Great Depression. One question, I believe, remains unanswered. I’m 55, and was only able to begin putting away for my retirement in the last 10 years. If mutual funds and their keepers are a losing proposition, as is cash in an inflationary environment, and commodities too volatile, and bonds too iffy, where should one’s retirement funds be kept? A mattress? What if the central bank implodes? Gold? Very expensive and hard to dole out to vendors. Ruble? Yuan? Dinar? Oil? Again, storage and disbursement issues.
I won’t hold you to it. But I would like to know whether I should just hold my breath and hope for the best, or something different.
Sorry if this is REALLY off-topic.
I tend to be leary of giving investment advice out, both because I’m not all that good at it, and because this is the internet.
General principle: if you live in the US and work in the US, you’re exposed enough to the US. Try and diversify out.
Pay down that debt.
Don’t try and day/week play the markets unless you’re willing to make that your life and you have the right personality (and you almost certainly don’t, since almost no one does). Don’t just forget where your money is either, but don’t fidget with it.
A garden and some sort of reduction of energy needs/generation are good investments. Even if things don’t go real bad they’ll probably pay back the investment over time.
Stay on good terms with your neighbors, friends, family and if you have one, your spouse. The worst thing that can happen to one’s finances is usually a divorce.
The problem is we’re going to see real asset deflation in financial assets — we are already. It’s going to continue for some time. That makes it tricky to figure out where to put money, the thing to do is to figure out who’s going to have pricing power, and be willing to make that bet. But you can get it wrong. Are oil companies a good 10 to 20 year bet, for example? I can make a case for or against.
Nice Ian,
Middle of a midsummer night, a clearing by a swamp deep in the woods of northern Minnesota, full moon near bright as day illuminates this whole world, music of the swamp critters…makes me cry with joy to remember
Nice essay, Ian. I had the opposite sensation when I moved out to the West Coast from the East many years ago. The trees are, or at least were, huge out here. They’re getting smaller for the same reason they did back east, though - they’re being cut down.
At one time the East Coast, particularly the Mid-Atlantic and New England, had trees the size of the old growth forests in the West. They had so many large trees that they could use single trees to compose the large structural beams on the sailing ships they built, including the large warships. They were eventually deforested, though. Today, there are supposedly more forests there than there were a century ago.
Ian,
Thanks for your response. I’m a little late with the thanks, I know. I hope you understand that I wasn’t asking for “advice” so much as wisdom. You have it. I (we) don’t. So your words were reassuring. And the best advice, perhaps, is to make some informed decisions, as you point out, and let the egg incubate.
Bye for now