In today's Observer, Caroline Davies describes how this year British gardeners find their fruits and veggies are stunted, deformed, and dying. The culprit: Dow Chemical's persistent herbicide aminopyralid sprayed on grazing land or fodder. The herbicide stayed in the plants the cattle ate, stayed in the cattle (and horse) poop, stayed in the compost produced from the poop, and came out the other end of the process all ready to kill food crops and home gardens.
Problems with the herbicide emerged late last year, when some commercial potato growers reported damaged crops.
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[T]he herbicide has now entered the food chain. Those affected are demanding an investigation and a ban on the product. They say they have been given no definitive answer as to whether other produce on their gardens and allotments is safe to eat.
It appears that the contamination came from grass treated 12 months ago. Experts say the grass was probably made into silage, then fed to cattle during the winter months. The herbicide remained present in the silage, passed through the animal and into manure that was later sold. Horses fed on hay that had been treated could also be a channel.
It can't happen here?
Well, the EPA has licensed aminopyralid in several products used in the US: Cleanwave, Milestone vm, Forefront r&p, and Milestone.
[Gotta love these names. Imagine being paid to come up with 'em. "What do you do?" "Well, I sit around and think up cute names for toxic molecules." ]
Anyway, Cleanwave is registered (approved) for use on wheat. Forefront is approved for use on rangeland (land where cattle graze). Milestone and Forefront are approved for use on -- yep, you guessed it -- pastures.
The same use that apparently blasted gardens all over Britain.
Bryn Pugh, legal consultant at the National Society of Allotments and Leisure Gardeners, said he was preparing claims for some members to seek financial compensation from the manure suppliers. But it was extremely difficult to trace the exact origins of each contaminated batch. 'It seems to be everywhere. From what I know, it is endemic throughout England and Wales. We will be pressing the government to ban this product,' he said.
Better living through chemistry?
Shirley Murray, 53, a retired management consultant with an allotment near Bushy Park in Hampton, south-west London, said several of her allotment neighbours had used the same manure bought from a stables and all were affected. 'I am absolutely incensed at what has happened and find it scandalous that a weedkiller sprayed more than one year ago, that has passed through an animal's gut, was kicked around on a stable floor, stored in a muck heap in a field, then on an allotment site and was finally dug into or mulched on to beds last winter is still killing "sensitive" crops and will continue to do so for the next year,' she said.
'It's very toxic, it shouldn't get into the food chain. You try to be as organic as you can and we have poisoned our food'.
Don't use manure or compost with manure on your garden? Well, even if you only use the "green compost" from your local municipal compost program, you still can't know if you're bringing home the same aminopyralid that's turning green and pleasant British gardens into blasted waste. The marvel of persistent chemicals means that anything sprayed on the community's gardens and parks and fields and golf courses can end up in that community compost.
Just as anything we put through the municipal sewer systems -- heavy metals, industrial chemicals, pesticides, herbicides, pharmaceuticals -- ends up in the sewage sludge. The same sewage sludge the EPA magically declared "biosolids". You don't put biosolids on your garden? You just use that nice safe commercial compost in the plastic bags from your local garden shop?
Gee -- America's sewage treatment industry thanks you. They paid a lot of lobbyists (and contributed to bribed a lot of pols) so you'd help them dispose of their toxic waste by spreading it on your garden.
Alaimo ordered the government to compensate dairy farmer Andy McElmurray because 1,730 acres he wanted to plant in corn and cotton to feed his herd was poisoned. The sludge contained levels of arsenic, toxic heavy metals and PCBs two to 2,500 times federal health standards.
Also, data endorsed by Agriculture and EPA officials about toxic heavy metals found in the free sludge provided by Augusta's sewage treatment plant was "unreliable, incomplete, and in some cases, fudged," Alaimo wrote.
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In his 45-page ruling, Alaimo said that along with using the questionable data, "senior EPA officials took extraordinary steps to quash scientific dissent, and any questioning of EPA's biosolids program."
When you buy that bagged commercial compost at the garden store, the overwhelming likelihood is that you're buying compost with "biosolids"...which is the EPA's fancy name for municipal sewage sludge. The concentrated toxic waste left over after bacteria have transformed most of the poop in sewage. The toxic waste that contains the stuff the waste treatment bacteria don't eat: industrial chemicals and herbicides and pesticides and heavy metals (including thallium) poured into municipal drains and sewers.
And the endocrine disruptors (hormone-like chemicals) the bacteria don't eat.
Nancy Holt, a retired nurse from Mebane, N.C., is beset by mysterious neurological problems. She blames the cause of her illness on the multiple unknown toxicities of the sewage sludge that has been spread since 1991 on the fields across from her house as "fertilizer."
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"And we have precocious puberty, little girls developing breasts at 5 or 6 years old, little boys developing armpit hair. And that is something that people don't want to talk about," Holt says. "They will talk about their thyroid glands, their cancers, but they will not talk about early puberty. We are on a true toxic tilt."
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In the Potomac River, 60 miles upstream from Washington, D.C., scientists have discovered many small-mouth male bass with eggs inside their sex organs. The cause of these "intersexed" fish is almost certainly endocrine disruptors -- also known as estrogen mimickers -- in the water, chemical pollutants that disrupt an animal's natural hormonal system.
In February, the Washington Post reported that the concentration of intersexed fish is greatest near towns or near heavily farmed land. One major source of these endocrine disruptors is thought to be the post-treatment "cleaned" water from municipal sewage treatment centers that is discharged directly into the Potomac River system and runoff from fields "fertilized" with sludge.
With chemicals that last so long they'll blast our gardens and our families, wouldn't it make more sense to follow the precautionary principle and never release them into the world in the first place?
Yes.
Turns out we can have even better living -- and more of it -- without corporate chemistry in our gardens and bodies.
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Kirk!
I need to go back go back downstairs and leave a comment about bees. I’ll “bee” right back.
hey Kirk, what a nightmare.
this is the really startling part for me
Great Post Kirk I always know you will provide provacative post on our enviroment that wee need to make changes to so we don’t destroy mother nature in the name of profit at any cost!
Digg for ya Kirk… Come on Pups Digg this fine post for DR Murphy and the Lake, your support is needed and appreciated!
Read the main article earlier today and the info is scarier than he!!; many thanks for all the additional material to *digest*.
Dr. Kirk -
Could you please advise the most responsible method for disposing of out-dated pharmaceuticals?
If I wasn’t so fucking scared already, your piece would make me even more scared, Kirk!
Boy, am I glad I live in Alaska, where industrial farming doesn’t exist, where we make our own compost, and we just pull the weeds by hand.
YEP YEP YEP. We don’t need to worry about WWIII because we will have poisoned ourselves long before we start the final war. Multis rule. They will poison everything just to make a buck. My wife had to take a medical retirement-along with over 1/2 of her factory, due to toxins and poisons that affect her to this day. Six years and counting. And no, she got zero compensation, because, after all, no one could PROVE that materials used in manufacture contained chemicals that did in fact cause people to get very sick. Same thing happened to me, only in my case it was the Hep B vaccine that my employer(US Govt) made me get-the second shot is the one that did me in, I was retired 30 days later.the company that made the vaccine BTW, can not be sued. Fouling our own nest indeed.
I’m sure BushCo and our corporate overlords will get right on this.
slightly ot, sorry.. but, speaking of COW POOP, John Barrow (one of, if not THE worst Bush-DOG) in GA-12 has a very competent PROGRESSIVE challenger who is facing a campaign money “crisis”. She doesn’t have much. And Howie found someone who can match our contributions, here. Could you please go and DIGG that post on DWT? IF it gets past 30 diggs, a whole lot more progressives will be able to find out about Regina Thomas, and help her GOTV in for the July 15 primary.
I think kudos are in order to the author of this post and FireDogLake for emphasizing the themes in evidence this Sunday at this Web address. Good, good, good…
Not knowing doesn’t help. If just two people read this post and change their lives, that’s two more who might survive and pass on different values to their friends and offspring. The rest of us don’t have to worry, because our bones will be bleaching in the sun. Better for the planet, anyway. Nature rules! (One way or the other.)
They’ve killed us all. It is just a bit slower than Bophal (Dow, they have brought us so many good things, from Agent Orange to Napalm to Methyl Isocyanate). I suggest the things that have been done by the chemical and agri-biz corporations are criminal, but they have “Maximized shareholder value”, so there will always be those who will argue that these actions are entirely justified and indeed laudable (sick as they may be). Long live the free market. Consumers have always been the one part of the chain which was the most inefficient, so it is only natural that capitalistic evolution would kill us off.
In his 45-page ruling, Alaimo said that along with using the questionable data, “senior EPA officials took extraordinary steps to quash scientific dissent, and any questioning of EPA’s biosolids program.”
Bet the Bushies plan to blame any food problems on brown people who don’t wash their hands. Just like the fast food industry never blames their meat/veggie supplier if they can help it. I wonder how many lives would be saved if we had an EPA and FDA that did their jobs, any numbers people?
In Korea 80,000 people protest, all the Presidents cabinet resigns over them letting American beef into the country. Here we do nothing?
We need to find out where Bush and a select group of GOPers like David Broder, Bobo George Will, Michelle Malkin get their food back track the food down to the source and publish to the world how polluted their food is. Chances are it is polluted.
Remember in the GOPer’s world problems only exist when it effects them cause GOPers lack empathy also they really, really hate being publicly embarrassed.
Bwahahaha! Who knew that growing up in the burbs would provide me such insight into the GOP mind?
Digg Digg for your lives Digg for your freedom!
( Channeling the film BeastMaster from the 80’s)
Nancy Holt, a retired nurse from Mebane, N.C., is beset by mysterious neurological problems. She blames the cause of her illness on the multiple unknown toxicities of the sewage sludge that has been spread since 1991 on the fields across from her house as “fertilizer.”
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“And we have precocious puberty, little girls developing breasts at 5 or 6 years old, little boys developing armpit hair. And that is something that people don’t want to talk about,” Holt says. “They will talk about their thyroid glands, their cancers, but they will not talk about early puberty. We are on a true toxic tilt.”
Is this the same family of chemicals that is causing frogs to die off and producing frogs,fish, reptiles? with both male and female sex characteristics? Are these early developing kids fertile, cancer prone, there is no way there are no side effects.
I believe the first generation exposed to radiation, chemicals gets cancer the second generation mutates and or also gets cancer.
And by mutate I don’t mean X-Men cool mutations, I mean more well imagine Karl Rove’s body, with Bush’s intelligence and Dick’s soul.
Bush will get right on it if someone can make him understand that his next crop at his brush ranch might be affected.
at the rate we’re going, we will rid the planet of it’s gravest danger, humans.
Just read the link it seems to be the same chemicals.
Is there any way we can dispose of this waste safely, cheaply etc. We should ban this stuff from all farms now. We need TV ads showing the victims but not their faces, kids do pull at the heart strings. We need to interview these families and their Doctors!
Yep, Mother Earth will be pretty much fine.
Humans? Not so much…
Or at least humans who don’t eat organic food.
My sister had dinner with some friends from boondock farms in Mexico they were used to real beef. Since my sister does not eat any beef they honestly suggested that they all go to dinner at Taco Bell because they thought it was soybeans.
I knew this girl whose stepdad was eastern european and only ate wheat or rye bread, white bread wasn’t Real Bread according to him. In Chicago we can get real ryes lots of immigrants.
The point what we call food the rest of the world seems to think is something else when they taste it.
Real people are sick and dying across this Country from exposure to sewage sludge pollutants in biosolids.
at the link is a state by state recounting of sludge victims
Hi folks - sorry to be late in reply….hardware problem here (someone chewed through the phone cord). Thank you all for coming together to chew over these ideas.
A pernicious growth, those humans!
Gnome, thanks for “beeing” with us.
Elliot, this part blew me away, too:
How long will this stuff take to break down? And what genius in Big Ag Chem decided to spread a long-lasting plant killer around the places and stuff (poop) we use to grow….
plants?
Thanks I just booked marked it we need to make sure that when Dems say rebuild the infrastructure they include the waste also how can we dispose of this stuff?
And how did the fact that this chemical does not break down get past the EPA?
Nahant, thanks for askig for Diggs! They help.
Waccamaw, the best way I know of to dispose of old meds is to take them to the pharmacy. Some folks also drop off (non-abusable) meds when their local environmental agency holds the “dump off your toxic trash” day.
ET, gardening in Alaska sounds pretty good.
(especially within a week of the summer solstice!)
timr, I’m so sorry to hear of your and your wife’s health burdens. I’m hoping that burden leaves you both.
Yep.
Ten o’clock next summer.
Thanks Kirk. That’s terrifying, to say the least.
In addition to “green” production, there is a huge potential industry in developing safe (or safer) ways to manage toxic waste, including agricultural toxics. If we’re ever going to get to a truly sustainable environmental/economic model, there’s going to have to be a lot of remediation done of some very valuable assets — namely, our agricultural land. You can’t make more of that. And it is valuable, not just to real estate developers.
Just the tip of the iceberg with biosolids.
Did you know that low level radioactive materials can be added to commercial fertilizers? The EPA thinks that spreading the glowing material onto farmers fields will lower the overall toxicity. Oh, the companies do not have to tell the farmer that the radioactive material is in their mix.
Chemical ag manufacturers have slurry ponds. A place for clean out water or spills to collect and guess what, that crap can also be added to other ag imputs. Again with out any notice.
Sooner, if someone shows them how to gather plunder from it.
Well, we’ll all got to our eventual graves knowing that at least we won’t have weeds growing on them.
Or much else.
Shouldn’t we start to pay farmers subsidies to grow healthy food without pesticides and chemicals? Shouldn’t we pay them to farm in ways that conserve the soil. Shouldn’t we stop paying them to grow things we don’t like, for example who here prefers corn sweetner instead of real sugar in their coke cola?
Who here prefers real vanilla and wonders what artificial vanilla is? Who here wants real beer naturally aged not lets add chemicals to speed up the fermenting process even though it boosts the alcohol count because then the beer tastes bad and is probably unhealthy.
I don’t doubt you but *groan* just where are they getting the radioactive material?
I’m getting me a geiger counter
Actually, our garden is way behind any other year in the 13 years we’ve gardened at or current house. Temperatures rarely have gotten into the 60s this summer, let alone the 70s. Potato farmers waited two extra weeks - which is a lot here - to put in their fields. Some of our stuff - peas, broccoli, cabbage and greenhouse stuff - will do fine. But green beans and artichoke, for instance, might not even mature unless things change soon.
Yet, they’re predicting an ice-free North Pole this summer for the first time in known history.
Go figure…
Yep. Even once those toxins are no longer marketed (imagine - less cancer, infertility, learning disorders, “birth defects”, and the like), we’ll all be faced with massive remediation work.
Paul Stamets at Fungi Perfecti has pioneered the use of fungi (which are incredible chemical rearrangers) to break down all manner of toxic chemicals.
During the recent oil spill in SF, folks took mats of human hair to soak up the oil, and then planned to use fungi a la Stamets to break down the hydrocarbons.
Of course, fungi can’t break down chemcal elements (like radioactive atoms), but IIRC some of Stamets work (now funded with grants from BAtelle and the like) showe dfungi can be used to take up heavy toxic metals so they may be more rapidly sequestered from the environment.
Don’t know the source of the low level radioactive materials. I just know when we were working on the organic standards someone came up with this fun fact and we were able to verify it via EPA. (also it been 20 years since we did this work)
John, thanks for your kind assessment. I’m glad you found this useful, and I apprecaite your spreadibg the word about this and other posts at the Lake.
nonplussed, I sure agree with your comment:
Films like The Corporation show how deadly “corporate values” (maximizing quaterly profit) are for us and our planet.
Skip Spitzer and the good folks at PANNA have also done a great job describing the lethal consequences “corporate values”:
It’s not a bug: it’s a built-in.
Some ocean current is washing the ice away a northern El Nino type thing maybe all the cold meltwater was washed your way which caused you to have a late spring.
Up until a week ago we have had high 40 degree nights in Seattle which I think is cold for June but I’m new.
That is a great question. Been there with massive amounts of pharms - a DVM said use the toilet :-(
Replied to your last at the end of previous thread. Let’s *do* it!
An Ice free North Pole just boggles the mind! It’s a concept that is so hard to grasp fr any old timer. It also wreaks havoc with all of the existing Great Circle Route computations. Perhaps we should go into business printing the “Over the Top” Nautical Charts.An Ice free North Pole just boggles the mind! It’s a concept that is so hard to grasp fr any old timer. It also wreaks havoc with all of the existing Great Circle Route computations. Perhaps[s we should go into business printing the “Over the Top” Nautical Charts.
Well that sounds like something the new EPA under a Democratic President should find out.
It’s been a long time since I looked at this, and a quick google search landed me here but there are plants that can absorb and sequester heavy metals. An effective remediation scheme would combine use of both plant sequestration and fungal decomposition. If there were money for research in this (and there isn’t), we could make something good out of a bad situation.
Things, Stamets’ fungal work seems to be pointing the way to demolishing these deadly molecules in the safest (and hence least toxic) fashion.
And because the way to stop the killing (and maiming) is to quit spreading the stuff around: by avoiding use whenever possible.
The precautionary principle tells us not to release toxins in the first place….by not making them in the first place.
better to reach the oil deposits under there, we’ll only go to war with Russia and a few other countries to lay our claim.
I have no idea why that remark appears twice, I’m sure it has nothing to do with the
inebriatedcontemplative state of the commenter. I guess any profundity is worth saying twice…Jeebus ET. That sort of local disruption of well-established climate/weather patterns is why I often use the term “global climate change”.
Though increased heat is clearly forcing the change, the local effects for some will be/are increased precipitation and local decreased maximal temps (as ocean currents shift and heat flows change).
That’s abstract.
In the particualr, I’m sorry to hear about this year’s gardening.
Scory,
That is true but the problem is what to do with the plant after they have drawn in all the toxic materials. The plant themselves become a toxic waste and it has yet to be determined how to dispose of them with out causing another toxic passage to the air or water table.
Right now I have septic at both houses but sewer is going in one within the next several years. Knowing it’s a very controlled amount in personal septic tank doesn’t seem too bad but if a vet doesn’t see the consequences of thousands of people collectively dumping in the same system, might be time to find a new vet. XX:-(
Was out laying a few edgers along the driveway; will check back-thread to see if you added something…..definitely we WILL (or is that shall?)! In the eastern end of the state ’til December if you don’t mind waiting that long; and maybe it’ll be a real celebration with a president who isn’t nutso.
Thanks, scory.
When I look at the collective cost of chemical pollutants (in suffering and loss - as well as in monetizeable factors like lost productivity and health care costs), I’m confident that as our national financial melt-down progresses, the resources to increase funding for such work will iincrease.
Not doing so is just too expensive.
I have a friend who is a childhood cancer researcher and he says that incidence of breast cancer is directly related to how early menstruation begins.
Have you seen the research involving the algae at the Arizona Power’s Redhawk Power Station. Greenfuel has a really exciting technology involving algae grown on the stack gases in specially constructed greenhouses, dried, and then fed into the combustion cycle. It is really quite a nifty process. Anyone who is interested in alternative energy simply must read the book, “Earth: A Sequel”
scary implications. Recent decades have seen steady decreases in the age of menarche (age of onset of menstruation). Endocrine disuptors (hormone mimicing agents) like those mentioned in the toxic sludge article cited above are very strong candidates for this accelerated onset of mensturation.
Agreed we need to stop making this stuff but we need a functioning EPA to ban the stuff first since private industry won’t do it on their own. So much for the market policing itself, has the market ever policed itself without lawsuits hot on their heels?
That is the kind of scary fact we need on TV and u tube ads now!
You’d think by now, after the problems with DDT, that any chemical company would be reluctant to market a persistent chemical whose purpose included the suffix “-cide”. Anything that hangs around for more than a year is going to get mixed up into other parts of the environment that they weren’t intended for.
I was thinking in terms of the “Northern Passage”, which will dramatically shorten sea transit routes. This is extremely important, as much as the mineral wealth under the seabed. If the routes are limited and the Nations controlling them can charge fees, they will be greatly enriched, for the over-the-top route shall be so much shorter that the premium will be worth it, if it is not overly out of line.
Kirk - and let’s not forget the ‘unintended consequences’ of early onset — bone growth stops earlier, the pre-pubertal growth spurt(and weight gain) starts earlier, and the girls will have a longer exposure to estrogen over their lifetimes, which is a marker for breast cancer.
Sunny -
Ditto the idjit box viewing wrt tradmed; unfortunately she appears on C-span. :-(
Don’t use an ISP that is likely to make throwaway possible; only addy is *not* useable. PUAC is definitely the best bet for a general announcement; will just have to figure out a one-to-one communication vehicle when the time comes.
Wouldn’t free traders want to encourage free use of the northwest passage unless of course they have an agenda?
We need a few posts on this subject everything from toxic sledge, to the people it effects, what government is or isn’t doing about it, where it comes from what industries make it, and most of all how it effects people.
Book Salon upstairs with Congressman Wexler or feel free to stay down here with Dr Kirk.
Hasn’t there been something in the news recently about trying to reintroduce DDT in less developed countries (supposedly to control malaria)?
Yes
With chemical elements (like uranium, other radioactive elements, and heavy metals) nothing will break down the individual atoms. In that sense, even fungal and plant bioremediation don’t change the total amount of toxic substance: they merely concentrate it.
With molecules (atoms connected together), fungi can break the bonds betwen the atoms and literally make the toxic molecules go away. Stmaets has shown this with polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH’s - once of the nastiest contaminants in oil), with oils/fuel, and (potentially) with dioxins: long-lived molecules which are incredibly toxic in tiny amounts and very difficult to destroy by other means.
Here’s a youtube.
Stamets’ book: Mycelium Running — How Fungi Can Save The World
Fungi Perfecti’s mycotechnology page
Yum. Fungi!
I am aware of a number of new Ice Breakers being built by Nations intending to benefit from the impending Arctic melt. Draw form this what conclusions you may. Our Neioghbor to the North is among those who intend to benefit from the upcoming geopgraphical change. Look at their ship conbsrtruction for the last few years.
Toby, thanks for that lucid discussion of physiology — you educated me!
I agree, and recognize that the plants and fungus that sequester the toxic materials are themselves toxic. However, there are models for effective disposal of toxic waste. The point I’m making is that there is a need for using “greener” technologies to remediate agricultural land so that we can reduce the presence of toxic material, including heavy metals, through our food chain.
And I completely agree with Kirk that as the health and human costs are properly accounted for, that money put into research for this, and development of remediation techniques and businesses will yield very healthy (no pun intended) returns.
Better
livingnon-living through chemistry?Yes!
I’m not saying it is a bad thing-other than ecologically! It is a fine thing for mariners, the Northwest Passage.
Scory,
Actually organic farming will do that.
You raise the level of organic matter in the soil to increase the cation exchange so that nutrients move to the plant faster and the toxic materials are held in suspension in the soil.
Kirk,
I do wonder how the manure was composted. Most Ag chemicals are broken down into baser elements when the correct temperatures are reach in composting. (120 -150F comes to mind but I’m not sure) If the manure was simply aged, then the likelihood of Ag chemicals being present are almost a given.
Yep. The push for DDT re-introduction has been exposed as a very sophisticated PR/public opinion spin job by (corporate funded) “libertarian” think tanks: using the protypical deadly pesticide in an attempt to “greenwash” public perceptions of the whole class of chemicals and to turn that opinon against control of pesticides.
Earlier this year Beyond Pesticides and Pesticide Watch held their annual meeting here (National Pesticide Forum) in the Bay Area. Paul Saoke, MD, MPH (executive director of Physicians For Social Responsibility-Kenya) described the human tragedies resulting from DDT’s use.
DDT in Africa
Oh — and DDT is still deadly.
But when the point is PR and spin, who cares about collateral damage — especially in Africa.
((( kirk )))
Always late to your posts, but I read them all !
Thanks for all the additional info……the first thought outta my head on hearing about it was “SPIN”!
I have a question for the gardeners on this site. We have a pea gravel walkway that sprouts weeds, not a lot but enough to require a certain amount of stoop labour to pull them out while they are still young. I won’t use a herbicide because the walkway leads to the lake shore. Today I thought of using table salt — a spoon here and there as needed. I recall that the Romans were advised to do the same thing to Carthage after the Third Punic War. Would it work? Is it advisable. The quantity of salt would probably not exceed a cup or two. I suppose it might attract animals, but is there anything wrong with the idea in principle?
You pegged it-especially in Africa, a place where we allow 5,000 children a DAY to die from Malaria! We should be ashamed! All of these children dying form preventable disease! Why? For the sin of being born to an impoverished African family. Or maybe an Haitian family forced to literally eat dirt.
I grieve, I was an integral piece of the machine. Worse yet, I was good at my job. How I wasted my life, believing myself a true patriot and now the reality is so terrible to face. I really, truly, thought we were the good guys, doing all these poor people a favor. Little did I know then what I know now, and facing up to it all now is the kind of shit that tilts planets.
I take that as a high compliment from someone who has an M.D. after his name.:)
On the topic at hand, Bill Moyers did a series about a decade ago on chemicals in our blood. It’s worth a replay if you can get it. People my age (67) are fairly safe, as the explosion in new chemicals occurred in the mid 1950s after we’d gone through our growth spurt, but anyone younger is at risk, and obviously any child. He had his blood tested and they found something like a hundred or more toxic or at least uncertified chemicals in it. He also had pediatricians explaining the effects on children.
Organic is very expensive. I was at the Atwater market in Montreal the other day to get spare ribs to barbecue. The organic ribs were $30 for one length of baby back ribs; the non-organic were $12. It’s a huge cost differential, and even those of us who can afford it find it difficult to go upscale unless the taste differential warrants the cost differential.
Organic food is very very cheap, but it seems expensive when you pay the cost upfront.
Conventional food is very very very expensive, but you pay the cost down stream
Please compare the cost to cleaning up the environment and human health tragedies caused by toxic chemicals when you support conventional farming.
Kirk - I’m always, always late reading posts here (sometimes days late) but I wanted to say thank you so much for posting this. I hadn’t heard anything about about this even though I read British papers (obviously not as thoroughly as I thought!). This is such an amazing story & knowing that the problems will be arriving in our laps shortly is frightening (but after the last 8+ years, also unsurprising). I garden - just herbs & perennials right now - but I do use bagged manure & compost (I can’t make my own compost - we have LOTS of bears right in the center of our village) so this really hits home.
I just wish I could figure out how we can really, truly take our country back from the corporate interests who think things like this is a great idea. Sadly, I’m not feeling nearly as optimistic that we’ll be able to as I was during the 2006 election cycle. It’s going to involve a wholesale change in our societal structure & attitudes & a return to an older, now outmoded, way of doing business where thinking about the long-term health of your industry & the long-term consequences of your actions (on your workers, your customers, your community, your world) is automatic. Somehow this attitude has been flipped around completely (read as “was carefully crafted & spun to flip around”) & the daily stock market report & quarterly earnings are now more important than anything else, even the health of our economy, our world, & our children. I still haven’t quite figured out how Reagan & his merry band of Republican spinners managed to change the societal norm so utterly.
And now that I’ve managed to get all riled up at the larger picture your post paints, I’m going to go read some light fluffy escapist fiction to wind down or I’ll never sleep.
I’m embarrassed to say I’m both a former Dow employee and a Dow shareholder (and it’s been past time to sell for quite a while, except that I get invitations to shareholder meetings which is of some value).
I’m going to write a letter to the CEO and ask why testing of their products does not run through the entire life cycle of the product, across the ecosystem. It sounds to me as if this is what happened, on the face of it; mind you, I am not a chemist or chemical engineer or an actuary or any such thing, and only worked as an office/IT jockey, and I have not worked at Dow for years now. But I can see where the organization would have tested it for safety around livestock (obviously it had little impact on the livestock - so far), for safety in its intended application (did it hurt the farmer applying it to fields only, for example), and for efficacy. But I can see where the system as it’s designed today wouldn’t test for systemic effect on an ecosystem over a period of time; frankly, I cannot believe that any similar company would do any differently.
This is where the public needs to demand different regulations from governing bodies — in this case, the EPA and from state agencies — if the corporate organizations cannot “see” the problem from the beginning. Unfortunately, we have put up with the corruption of these institutions for too long.’
And now after that mea culpa, I’m going to say something very unpopular. Dow Chemical did not create Bhopal. I can tell you that Union Carbide was a very poorly run organization in terms of its safety based on feedback I received from coworkers; my friends that were deployed to UCC sites during the integration process in 2001 after Dow acquired UCC were utterly appalled at what they found. They said that UCC still operated as if it were in the 1950’s. That is not and has not been the way Dow operated its facilities in the 20 years that I’ve been an employee or former employee. I can tell you that at their American facilities they are freaks about safet