So says Barclay’s, as it predicts widespread inflation:
"We’re in a nasty environment," said Tim Bond, the bank’s chief equity strategist. "There is an inflation shock underway. This is going to be very negative for financial assets. We are going into tortoise mood and are retreating into our shell. Investors will do well if they can preserve their wealth."…
…Traders said the Fed seemed to be rowing back from rate rises. The effect was to propel oil to $138 a barrel, confirming its role as a sort of "anti-dollar" and as a market reproach to Washington’s easy-money policies.
The Fed’s stimulus is being transmitted to the 45-odd countries linked to the dollar around world. The result is surging commodity prices. Global inflation has jumped from 3.2pc to 5pc over the last year.
None of this is going to sound odd to regular readers. I have been warning about inflation for some time, and predicting stagflation (high inflation, high unemployment). I have also noted that the problems were not going to be confined to the US and that the idea that other economies were "decoupling" was absurd.
Note also the mention of oil as an "anti-dollar". This is something Stirling, Oldman and myself were discussing as far back as 2004. Simply put, oil is the "unit of ultimate scarcity" in modern economies because it’s very hard to substitute away from it. Sure, you can try, with foolishness like corn ethanol, but we’re seeing where that leads. Oil makes the modern suburban economy possible. It is deeply embedded in how we make food, so much so that decades ago the late author Robert A. Heinlein came to the conclusion that the limits on food growth were based on oil, and that food wouldn’t become a problem till oil became scarce. He’s looking rather prescient today. The suburban economy of the US, likewise, simply requires oil to run. Suburbs and exurbs require automobiles and automobiles require oil.
At one time the dollar was backed by gold. What a lot of people failed to realize is that now the dollar has been backed by oil. Countries throughout the world wanted dollars, because dollars bought oil. As the dollar has been inflated by massive money printing, the price of oil has soared. This isn’t the only cause of the increase in oil prices, but it is a significant reason. There is no reason for producers of a scarce, essential resource, to accept inflation unless you, well, have them over a barrel. For a long time the US did have them over a barrel—dollars, which were also the key currency for buying securities and various high tech devices, were more rare than oil was. Then Greenspan put the pedal to the metal. It is not a coincidence that oil prices begin to rise after Greenspan started providing huge liquidity hits in the late nineties.
Barclay’s goes on to warn that the financial crisis is not over and that the monoline insurers are still in danger. The bank crisis is still ongoing as well. Again, this should be no surprise to anyone. Deleveraging is still occurring and it will continue, because higher default rates than modeled into return assumptions mean securities are overvalued, and since no one is sure what the default rates will be, except really bad, it’s impossible to provide new prices for the securities and thus to provide new market clearing prices. Assuming that financial firms wanted real prices, which they don’t, since if forced to value their portfolios properly many of them would be forced into actual, as opposed to virtual, bankruptcy. And once you’re bankrupt you can’t pay yourself millions in bonuses for driving the company and the economy into the ground.
Finally there’s this bit on the threat of deflation, which I think is worthy of commentary:
A small chorus of City bankers dissent from the view that inflation is the chief danger in the US and other rich OECD countries. The teams at Société Générale, Dresdner Kleinwort, and Banque AIG all warn that deflation may loom as housing markets crumble under record levels of household debt.
Bernard Connolly, global strategist at Banque AIG, said inflation targeting by central banks had become a "totemism that threatens to crush the world economy".
He said it would be madness to throw millions out of work by deflating part of the economy to offset a rise in imported fuel and food prices. Real wages are being squeezed by oil, come what may. It may be healthier for society to let it happen gently.
The threat of deflation has been looming for some time due to the housing crisis and how housing is tied to the money stock. It isn’t actually a contradiction to be concerned with both inflation and deflation. What I’ve been expecting for a long time was first stagflation and then deflation (with an outside chance at hyperinflation, if the response by central banks is blown badly). Moreover, both can occur simultaneously, in a very nasty squeeze. There’s no real contradiction in having food and fuel prices rise while prices for other items crash.
However notice the words "real wages are being squeezed by oil, come what may." Those words should send a chill of fear down your spine. Both because of their undeniable truth, and because of what they imply, which is that the world’s elites intend for the peons to pay for this by having their real wages slashed in half. In fact, while it’s inevitable there be some decline in real wages (I would guesstimate about 20%), there’s a lot that could be done to mitigate such declines and to spread the pain around. But spreading the pain around means the rich would take an even bigger hit than they’re going to take, and that’s not acceptable. What will happen instead is that Bernanke and other central bankers will continue to provide huge sums of money in an attempt to bail the rich out of their losses and to avoid real, serious restructuring and regulation of the financial industry, despite the fact that the finance sector has a huge portion of the responsibility for this crisis, as it has for multiple bubbles over the last 30 years.
In the end though, what Barclays is saying is more interesting because Barclays is saying it than because it’s great analysis. It isn’t. It would have been good analysis a year ago. it would have been great analysis 3 years ago. There are bloggers who did most of this analysis 3 or even 4 years ago. Still, where the conventional wisdom is is important, because the conventional wisdom tells you what actions are now considered possible. And the debate right now doesn’t include heavy re-regulation, or taking over banks, or even allowing banks to fail and go into government receivership. It doesn’t include huge incentives for conservation of oil. It doesn’t include the possibility of currency controls. What it comes down to is a simple debate between brute monetary policy approaches – easy money, or expensive money. High interest rates, or lower interest rates. Squeeze inflation out and suffer the consequences or don’t squeeze it out and let inflation destroy real wages, wiping out all the gains of the post-war period.
Welcome to the world created by the rich when they think they can be rich while ordinary people become more poor. Welcome to the world that gets created when people think that they can have prosperity now and put the bill off till tomorrow.
Tomorrow has come.



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Even supposing that the fed and the rest of the government want to do “the right thing” it’s not clear what they should do it seems….Do you fight inflation, or fight recession? What’s the best thinking of sharp economists on tbe best medicine?
Sobering stuff, Ian.
Thank you for always being honest about reality.
Time for the Great Educational Outreach, although I think the facts are sinking in …
Robert A. Heinlein came to the conclusion that the limits on food growth were based on oil, and that food wouldn’t become a problem till oil became scarce. He’s looking rather prescient today.
Which book is that idea from?
Yowch. It took me panicking to get my spouse to move money around in his retirement and investment accounts the night before Bear Stearns was either going to crash and take the market with it, or get bailed out and still spook the market. I’d already moved much of my accounts to funds with EU/Asian or BRIC stuff quite a while ago (years); he just wouldn’t budge.
By the time I got him to move out of panic, he’d already lost more money than I’ll make this year.
How am I going to get him to move more? I guess I’ll have to start with reading him your post in bed tonight, Ian — and the Barclay’s bit tomorrow over breakfast.
What sad pillow talk — but we’re lucky. Far too many Americans will be talking over their pillows tonight, wondering whether to pay the mortgage or buy gas to go to work.
Amen
Deleveraging is still occurring and it will continue, because higher default rates than modeled into return assumptions mean securities are overvalued,
But..But…I thought the whole concept of hedge funds was to invest on both sides of any potenyial bet so that you made money when stocks went up or down.
Are you suggesting they bet to much money on only one side (the up side, the happy economic scenerio) of potential trades?
(trying to be Snarky)
Ian
What would you suggest as an overall direction for both fiscal and monetary policy for the next few years? Do you think that the candidates are well advised?
And isn’t the devaluation of the dollar but another facet of ‘inflation’?
Bin Laden must rolling on his carpets with laughter.
Expanded Universe, he has an article with a bunch of predictions of the future in it, where that’s mentioned, iirc.
Better to lose some money rather than all of it.
I read this Barclays piece earlier today, I saw the Bank of Scotland issue dire warnings to it’s investers earlier too.
The banks are only part of the problem.
The worst is very much yet to come, this is going to be world wide.
Thank You!
Has anybody gotten their stimulus checks yet? I got a notice 2 weeks ago saying to expect my check in 4-6 weeks yet the business press is talking like everyone got there checks already and of course the stimulus worked?
Then, ‘we’ all will honestly know, all of humankind, that ‘we’ really are in this together, except for the Puppet Masters …
Yes — and you know, it might have been enough for him to sit up and pay attention when I nag him some more.
With oil reaching $143/bbl this week, it’s time to do more shuffling. Just feels like moving the deck chairs on the Titanic, but at least we had a nice cruise…
Straight monetary policy won’t cut it. Bernanke’s in a policy bind, and monetary tools are insufficient. There is no way to avoid what’s going to happen, but I would, among other things (and not an exhaustive list)
1) put a tobin tax on all currency transactions, futures, options and other derivatives.
2) Provide a market price for mortgages by officially offering to buy them out at a percentage of cost. Force companies to either take that price, find a better one or book their mortgages at around that price and if they go bankrupt, go out of business and into government official receivership.
3) Enforce leverage rations harshly, at 10/1 max, for all leverage – no leverage on leverage so you wind up 100/1 leveraged.
4) put on some currency controls if the tobin tax didn’t decrease things enough, so that money can be exchanged mostly for trade purposes.
5) Move agressively to reduce oil consumption (1) and to get off oil (2), which are different things. The easy gains come from conservation
6) Move to turn energy into a capital product rather than a resource
7) Kick in some very aggressive progressive taxation
8) Break up a number of oligopolies, starting with the telecom oligopoly.
9) Reinstitute a form of glass-steagall and force the break up of large financial conglomerates.
10) Disallow credit insurance
etc…
One of the newscasts this week went wild over the seven-dollars-a-gallon prediction for gasoline by 2010, from some smarty-pants think tank forecaster.
I was like, duh?
How would you do number 6, Ian?
Ian- thanks. What about the deficit? Would you want to see expansionary budgets or a reduction in the deficits?
because higher default rates than modeled into return assumptions mean securities are overvalued, and since no one is sure what the default rates will be, except really bad, it’s impossible to provide new prices for the securities and thus to provide new market clearing prices. Assuming that financial firms wanted real prices, which they don’t, since if forced to value their portfolios properly many of them would be forced into actual, as opposed to virtual, bankruptcy. And once you’re bankrupt you can’t pay yourself millions in bonuses for driving the company and the economy into the ground.
But if nobody trusts the banks numbers then just who, why or is anybody at all investing in the banks, hedgefunds etc? If anything they should be starved for capital after the Bear Stearns meltdown.
Isn’t it rather ironic that attempts to divert away from oil are thwarted by this Maladministration…
At the same time, they’re arguing that the Navy’s use of sonar is necessary for our national security so it trumps any environmental concerns…
What a bunch of Rethug hypocrisy…!
Since Nixon and his legacy are back in vogue, a look back to his first election could shed some light on this situation. His first opponent in the 1946 election was Jerry Voorhis. Voorhis had sponsered a bill in 1939 to monetize the national debt and move toward a 100% reserve requirement on banks. This would effectively have closed the discount window and set up the U.S. Treasury as the provider of liquid currency for the economy. His efforts were done with the advice of Irving Fisher and are completely consistent with Fisher’s heir, monetarist Milton Friedman.
Voorhis was defeated and monetary reform disappeared from the national agenda for almost two generations.
There are numerous and sundry responses to the current, so called liquidity crises, but they are not being even considered.
See Voorhis’ 1939 Bill H.R. 4931, or Fisher’s “100% Money” or Ronnie Philips brilliant book on earlier reform attempts known as “The Chicago Plan”.
In addition Stephen Zarlenga’s American Monetary Institute is trying to get such reforms on the national agenda.
We need to look at the broader picture.
I want deficits down. I’m not sure if they need to be eliminated though there’s a strong argument for it in terms of pure power politics — also debt is going to be very expensive to finance for the next little while. But if you get rid of Iraq and you go to heavy progressive taxation plus Tobin I’m quite sure you wind up with a decent surplus even in a recession.
Is Congress listening to any of those ideas? If not then what are their solutions if any?
Are you cynical, Ian?
I have been educated and warned elsewhere where the truth is being posted..
I think it’s great to keep throwing the Shit That Is Killing Us out there.
Thanks for fighting against the evil….do it every Saturday night.
Me, I’m going to go shoot some pool for a bit.
Everyone deserves a break now and again.
But, still, thanks for fighting the good fight.
(((Eli))
Eventually most energy will be in the form of electricity and then the question will be how to produce it. Solar and wind are capital intensive but have zero associated fuel costs—nukes are also very capital intensive. It comes down to bang for the buck I guess (with the understanding that wind and sun can’t be the sole source unless we find an efficient way to store energy for a rainy (cloudy, windless) day.
Nbr. 8 is a biggie on my list.
Those bastards squelched cheap nationwide pervasive WiFi nearly five years ago; it could have revolutionized our concepts of telecommunications.
They need to be busted for that, or they need to be taken back as government entities. They’d probably rather have the former if legislators could grow a spine and put the screws to them.
Good list. It’s elections year. None of this will happen this year.
Even Russia has free community wifi. This is a scandal. Imagine what we could do with this tool.
I see a big fight going on about coal- we have a lot of it- and could produce most electricity from it- but it’s dirty as hell. The coal industry is not going quietly into that good night.
All the tools aren’t in our kit yet. But, I would:
a) move all buildings to as close to energy neutral as possible, with as many buildings as possible moving to energy producers
b) create a grid where energy produced in any building can be accounted for and given a spot price and paid for.
(A and B can be financed by creating standardized securities which pay based on how much energy is saved/produced by refitting houses/buildings. Might as well get something good out of securitization.)
c) Move those areas of the country that are suitable for mass transit onto it.
d) Push hard for high speed trains for most internal travel, rather than planes, at least for north/south travel on the coasts.
e)Put a large tax on vehicles below certain mpg and use that money for research.
In the medium term, what you’re looking for is to move the US car fleet to electrical cars, because electricity can point-of-presence generated rather easily. Turn houses into energy generaters/money generators and get people involved. That means a huge buildout which can’t be offshored, massive scale benefits for the technologies (mainly active and passive solar, but some wind/geo as well) and that should drive costs down substantially. It pushes investors into investing in solving the problem rather than profiting from the problem continuing.
Bush likely has just made American Solar companies take a dive. But foreign solar companies should do better. I wonder who taught Bush about Business and the economy?
Sure as an oilman Bush wants to crush alternatives to oil but by only crushing American alternatives he only helps the foreign alternatives get stronger.
It’s already 6 for premium in my LA world.
More than duh…don’t ya think?
Did you guys get rings yet?
Been away for some days, so haven’t kept up. But, I know you were waiting to see how the politics were going….
Rings? Cakeies?
Not really, no. We’re going to have to do it the wrong way first. They’re going to bail the rich out without making them take responsibility or fixing the financial system, they aren’t going to do enough about gas (though I still expect an oil price decline by late this year) and they certainly aren’t going to go hard progressive, push a tobin tax or any other “crazy” stuff.
They’re going to fiddle on the edges and pray Bernanke saves them. Bernanke is probably going to do a Volcker, and crush inflation by crushing the economy, but since the oil curve isn’t where it was in the late 70s early 80s, that ain’t going to work as well as it did last time, and is going to be even more painful.
Why that is actually beautiful, Ian.
Thanks.
My concern is that all concern will be tossed out the window and ‘full steam’ towards exploiting the now open polar ocean will become the ‘bipartisan’ mantra …
Sad, but true…
I recently found this site, The Automatic Earth, and did a lot of reading. I think what little hair I have left went white overnight.
There is a very lengthy ongoing series with some amazing tea leaf reading of what is going on and that basically, we are FUBAR. Ian in particular might want to see if he agrees with what this gentleman is saying.
that infuriates me, that BushCo all but handed bin Laden his conquest of the US of A on a silver platter.
The stimulus package and the Paulson-Bernanke strategy have one goal and that is to keep the economy from imploding just long enough so that they can kick the can down the road to the next Administration.
As for regulation of financial markets, it is good to remember that this is across the board the most anti-regulatory Administration we have ever had.
There will be an oil price crash at some point. These periods always end. The new price will still be high (probably 80 to 90). That will feel like a big relief and folks will use it as an excuse to do nothing. But if we don’t fix it, there will never be really good times again, because oil will be the limit of our growth.
(though I still expect an oil price decline by late this year)
I agree but wouldn’t that kill all the leveraged oil speculators and create a third bubble bursting on Bush’s watch?
The first being tech, the second housing, the third oil speculation.
Bernanke is probably going to do a Volcker, and crush inflation by crushing the economy,
I but Ben waits until Obama is in office before he does that. I just wish there was something we could do about that.
In light of your post, Ian, I wonder, if you could explain this passage from John Kenneth Galbraith’s “Money” Whence It Came, Where it Went” concerning the 1973-1974 oil embargo and energy crisis:
“Everywhere the higher oil price was considered highly inflationary; in the United States it served invaluably as an excuse for official inadequacy in the control of inflation. In fact, it was deflationary. especially in the Arab counttries but also in Iran and elsewhere, the revenues accruing from the higher prices were far greater than could immediately be spent for either consumers’ or investment goods. So they accumulated in unspent balances. Thus they represented a withdrawal from current purchasing power not different in immediate effect from that oif leving a large sales tax on petroleum or its products.”
Galbraith credited this observation to a Professor Richard N. Cooper who participated in President Ford’s 1974 Summit Conferences on Inflation. It might be helpful to define terms: what is the difference between inflation, is often defined as the overprinting of paper money, versus deflation, versus devaluation? Economists out there?
Shows what a blog geek I am. Matt Stoller’s excellent BOPnews, a blog whose time is now if it ever was. The three of you made discussions of economics both understandable and accessible to the average pinhead like me who suffered thru macro and micro econ classes from professors who would rather have been locked up in their offices rather than actually teaching.
RIP, Oldman and take some satisfaction in knowing that pretty much everything you wrote from the plains of Iowa warning of bad economic times to come, has come to pass or is heading towards us like a fucking steamroller.
Share the wealth: Digg
As well as the limit of our imagination.
But, in the end, everything will turn out oil right for the most upright of apes …
Monetary policy takes time, he can probably start now with no real effect.
What will happen instead is that Bernanke and other central bankers will continue to provide huge sums of money in an attempt to bail the rich out of their losses and to avoid real, serious restructuring and regulation of the financial industry,
Isn’t this what Japan did after their real estate market exploded how long did their bubble induced economic coma last after that?
I don’t know that one of the reasons telsatcos blocked the wifi technology was monitoring communications, egregious. Russia probably doesn’t feel a compelling need to monitor all of theirs like our lawless leaders do.
How long before the very best things to do would have a noticeable effect?
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I but Ben waits until Obama is in office before he does that. I just wish there was something we could do about that.
it should read
I bet Ben waits until Obama is in office before he does that. I just wish there was something we could do about that.
Galbraith is right. But the later oil shock was inflationary.
The current situation is interesting. Because there is this huge asset bubble that is unwinding as we speak. The problem of dealing with the oilarchies was what to give them to spend all that money on. We gave them paper – bonds, stocks, derivatives and they spent 30 years buying that crap. The idea was to keep inflation out of the “real” economy, bonus: lots of people got stinking rich. The problem is that that money was based on an ever smaller inverse pyramid and now that it’s unwinding you’ve got a real chance that that money, which was outside the real economy, has to be paid for by the real economy.
So what I think is quite likely is a riptide – some parts of the economy going heavy inflationary – food and energy – other parts dropping into deflation: goods and real estate.
It never ended. Wrote about that earlier this week. ;)
Ian, my mental modeling skills are rather weak tonight. What do you think would happen if we were to create a fund of some sort that bought up the oldest, heaviest, most polluting vehicles in the country and recycled them?
My spouse tells me his business is hurting because of the global steel shortage; I wonder whether such a move wouldn’t 1) free up some under-utilized steel, 2) remove heavy carbon emitters, and 3) encourage purchases of smaller, lighter, newer vehicles…?
I see no good reason not to do it. I’m not sure what the profit/loss would be, but if it’s not too egregious (errr) it would probably be a good idea. If it’s mostly about oil, then I would offer bounties on low mpg vehicles.
I’d also encourage small bus lines, so people can do things with their SUVs etc… Let them use them as small busses out in the burbs and exurbs. That’s illegal most places, but it makes a lot of economic sense. Big busses don’t work in dispersed burbs.
The price of steel and the faultering economy has already seen Scrappers go crazy hauling in anything made out of metal. I have seen that first hand.
Even I have a truck I am getting ready to scrap out.
Massive solar energy production will deflate oil prices as fast as they can be brought on line. The negative balance of payments would shrinkequally. That would free massive amonts of capital. Requires a national carbon cap. Bushco annoinced last week they were discontinuing R&D for alternative energy. Big oil is screwing us all so hard that we are all falling into that Fractal Spiral and we will be fighting for space under the bridges. The 50 million Americans at the povrty level will be further lowered and likely gangs will form in the masses of homeless to defend themselves like the kids in the streets of South America. With suspension of civil liberties and prison camps like Phoenix on the horizon to control the disenfranchised.
The new crop of college grads and retired military will also be in for rough timed as loand grace periods expire.
Gieco is my auto insurer, I called to pay the bill and asked if driving miles were reduced and electric cars were growing. Same miles no eledtric cars. Gieco is a giant.
The solution is Solar thermal and will be a giant employer. The worls can go that way the deserts that are optimum sites are well known.
Re derivatives, I would forbid potential liabilities from middleman trades to exceed a fixed percentage of an investment house’s reserves. And this would be after Glass-Steagall was back in place so that it would be only the investment side’s reserves that were counted.
Re oil, I like increasing the margins in futures trading, forcing traders to take physical possession of a sizeable amount of the oil they are trading in, require players to disclose their total position and put caps on them, bring the trades in dark markets back under US scrutiny and regulation.
I also like increasing the capital gains tax substantially, treating profit of hedge fund managers as income, and increasing the time any investment is held before it can be re-sold. I would finally increase the fees that large players had to pay as the volume of their trades increased and have those fee increases go to the US government not the investment bank.
I remember I thought the point though needed repeating on this post.
Especially since Ben seems to be using the mistakes the Japanese made as his model of what America should do now!
If it wasn’t for the Supreme Court, I’d sure like to see this shitpile fall on top of President McCain. As it is, I think the other fellow is gonna have his work cut out for him, both fixing it and escaping blame for it.
Seen several episodes of house-flipping shows where unguarded fixer-uppers get stripped for their copper pipes overnight.
dugg
Much appreciated.
Isn’t this what the FED is currently engage in, trading tax payer dollars for worthless collateralized mortgage obligations? This appears to be happening without a shred of transparency. It would seem to be a “point of the spear,” issue for liberals in holding Bernanke/the FED accountable.
All very good ideas. People forget that the market’s job is supposed to be provide capital for the real economy. If it isn’t doing that, it has no justification for existing and needs to be fixed to do its job.
Thanks, Ian. So do you think our current predicament is similar to the pre-1929 run up in “asset inflation” under a gold standard which collapsed with the stock market which was heavily fueled by bank speculators based on their deposits backed by gold? My impression (based on my study of the Glass Steagall Act) is that once the stock market collapsed, many banks which were previously allowed to basically risk their depositor’s money using their gold reserves were unable to deliver that money when the depositors panicked and all at once tried to withdraw their deposits in gold specie. That led to the bankruptcy of many banks and the onset of the Great Depression.
dugg
Thanks for the link.
Solar Thermal, as all thermal power need too much water. Have to condense that steam somehow.
http://www.withouthotair.com best study of alternative energy I’ve read.
Don’t even think it. Continuing Bush’s economic policies would be disastrous. It will take decades digging ourselves out of the mess that we are in already.
Thanks Hugh.
They aren’t really taking possession and they aren’t really offering a price that others can use as a “market” price. They’re paying not much less than par on paper that is worth much less than that. Now if people thought they’d just buy it all, but they don’t. Especially since it’s a term facility.
Of course, if things go real bad the government may (probably will, in fact) wind up owning a pile of that stuff anyway. Might as well pay 60 cents on the dollar for it rather than 99 or 98.
They are stealing gaurd rails, A/C units from behind businesses, Bronze statues, you wouldn’t believe it around here and it hasn’t even gotten bad yet. This is going to get ugly.
It may well be that anyone who wishes to run for the presidency should have their head examined …
Solar can be stored 16 hours enough time to manage the peak hours. Grid design does the rest. Read Earth:The Sequal by folks from the Enironmental Defense Fund.
I’m not sure what model to use. There are similarities to the late 70’s, the the 20s and to the Japanese bubble. And there are differences. A combination of all 3, I guess, but I think there’s a very good chance we’re headed for a great depression.
Ian, it does look that bad.
Foot to the floor, no brakes and overloaded, we are.
Photo-voltaic is better, and, the deserts are full of silica…! ;-)
Bushco annoinced last week they were discontinuing R&D for alternative energy.
What! Taking all the research money out of Alternative Energy is he Mad? Which by the way might be the new bubble after oil. A decades long bubble as it would take at least that long to change America over to green power.
Bush is just handing foreign green companies a 7 month June through January head start that plus the ban on solar projects on public lands well…if the oil bubble goes flat all that bubble money will chase the next bubble which might very well be green power right out of the country.
At least until the next President gets his act together on green power but how long will that take?
ian – are you arguing that re-regulation, etc are off the table because those kinds of policies, while they would benefit the economy as a whole, are not perceived to be terribly helpful to the elite?
Headed for a great depression with many fewer of the skills possessed by ‘the people’ the last time, as well as a far more fractured sense of community.
Interesting times … for certain.
Been working on PV & Pumped Storage for the last two years. Have made good progress.
We always though it could end up as a public works project in a depression, given the economy.
True, how many people even have pitchforks, lanterns, or even chamberpots these days…? ;-)
During the last depression people had land on which to grow food. Now so many live in apartments and condos and have no land that it would certainly be a problem. Plus most people these days are used to having whatever they want and would get seriously cranky when they couldn’t. It won’t be pleasant.
Yes.
Yet another edition of simple answers…
He doesn’t give a flying FUCK at this point, he is intentionally doing as much damage as he possibly can and doing a damn good job of that.
Yes. Also, they just aren’t considered “legitimate” anymore. They’re relics of liberalism and laissez-faire orthodoxy doesn’t admit that such things ever work, even when they do. Remember the whole “the President doesn’t matter” stuff — what that’s code for is “the only policy is monetary policy”. Unless you’re doing a tax cut, of course.
I do.
* A massive switch from coal, oil, natural gas and nuclear power plants to solar power plants could supply 69 percent of the U.S.’s electricity and 35 percent of its total energy by 2050.
* A vast area of photovoltaic cells would have to be erected in the Southwest. Excess daytime energy would be stored as compressed air in underground caverns to be tapped during nighttime hours.
* Large solar concentrator power plants would be built as well.
* A new direct-current power transmission backbone would deliver solar electricity across the country.
* But $420 billion in subsidies from 2011 to 2050 would be required to fund the infrastructure and make it cost-competitive.
http://www.sciam.com/article.c…..grand-plan
It’d certainly be as productive as the TVA was, or the CCC…!
It’s sure an ‘interesting’ time to be in the airport business. Recreational flying is about done, with 100 Low Lead around $6/gallon. The airlines are cutting capacity, parking aircraft, and raising prices (at least the ones that have not already ceased operating). So what segment of the market seems to thriving? Business flying, of course, though even the corporate jets have cut back some in response to the current cost of Jet-A. Sales of business jets are as strong as ever, with most of the new production being sold outside of the US market.
What, the chamberpot? ;-)
This is the current situation where paper money chases paper scams which collapse. Then central banks and the Fed pump more money into the markets fueling another cycle of paper schemes while the real economy finds it harder and harder to cope in such an irrational and uneconomic environment.
Lets say we do have a financial meltdown how will Ben handle it if it happens before the Presidential election?
How will Ben handle it if it happens after the Presidential election if a Dem wins?
Or if McCain wins?
to prevent a delay, just find a way for the Bush family to reap plunder from alternative energy.
All of it, ;)
5 gallon bucket set up for camping…
I have not been sitting on my thumb while all this has been coming, I have always lived on the ragged edge and I have been anticipating the coming Depression since November.
Marx will actually see the fruition of his thesis…!
ok then. this is probably a pipe dream…. but, what the heck…
rather than only consider what policies we think ought to be put in place and then struggle one by one to see them considered… is there some way you can think of to re-engage the elite so that they are connected, as we are, to the affects of their policies (or lack thereof)?
if we could find someway to tie their well being to ours, i’d think we’d have a much better chance of getting the kind of governance we are working for…
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What I want to do is cut at the issue from both sides – reduce energy use at the same time as you increase generation. I see no reason why residential/office shouldn’t be a net producer of energy and effectively require, as a sector, no energy at all. And I think such a build-out can be done far faster than people think, by… getting the private sector involved.
hahaha
seriously. But, of course, like almost all major private sector initiatives it will happen because the government makes it possible.
Absolutely, and he saw it 160 years ago.
I would have to convince them that they were wrong about green power all these years first.
Its hard to shake proud people out of their comfortable reality without first making them uncomfortable. To do that I would need a huge financial crisis and everyone pointing the blame at Bush, which very well might happen:)
Bush has had only two economic solutions. One was tax cuts for himself, his family and his cronies. The other was tax rebates for the little people. Perhaps Harvard might want to recall that MBA they granted him. IT certainly looks like things were fixed so that he would graduate.
Agreed!
That’s a really good idea Selise. But I’m not sure how to do it before disaster has leveled them down with us. The key is to make it so that the rich get rich when normal people get better off, and not otherwise. And that requires reducing leverage, ending asset bubbles and removing the oil blockage on growth. If you can turn energy into goods or services again, and sell them to everyone and make a pile, and do it the US, then suddenly the rich become reengaged. If they’re playing securities games off in some bubble largely unconnected to the real economy, then they don’t care very much about the economy.
I think the promising model for the future is what I call the “mod economy” based on design and small scale local fabricators, ending long supply chains and making production and design something that many many more people can be involved in. I’ll try and write an article on that. But that’s a “new paradigm” which creates its own elites. It’s the sort of future current elites don’t want to see, because it discounts their sort of wealth and power.
I blame Clinton soon to be replaced by I blame Bush, for at least two generations.
I recall that the Carter administration started a heavy R&D investment in alternative energy technologies, which the Reagan administration promptly dismantled. Thanks Goopers, you’ve been doing a swell job with energy policy for well over a generation now.
I believe that the financial crisis is already upon us. Bush and the Republics are clearly to blame, but the Democrats seem incapable of making that case. If they could, the only Republics who will not lose this year are Republics who are not running. Sadly, I have no faith that the Democrats can make the case.
Much appreciated.
I’m starting to think that the best thing I have done over the past year is to gut my house to the walls and put in insulation and new windows and doors. I have no idea what to do with my 401K or how to help my kids(two of whom as just married or just getting married this summer and one who will be a senior in college and who has started investing money in the market). I have no idea what to do. We garden; we only use one car, a Prius.
Clinton is still on the hook for repealing Glass-Stegall on his watch…!
Ah yes, the old “Golden Rule” is in full effect: He who has the Gold, makes the Rules … to benefit none other than himself. Are we Burma yet?
Mr Welsh,
Excellent article.
(I just wish the ending were happier)
Thanks though: I do appreciate your sharp mind and clear writing.
Dugg.
My $.02, one way we’ll know which of the elite felt “connected” to the rest of us, will be from which held onto their diminishing dollar assets and which tried to unload them. Getting some transparency on currency transactions is probably needed.
Bush was part of the small school bus inbred, offspring of alumni program set asides.
Most members of the program objected to allowing minorities into their schools with lower test scores even though poorer whites with lower test scores like Darth were getting in thanks to that and geographical diversity, Darth was from Wyoming?
Anyway the Bushies hate having to compete fairly against anybody Social Darwinism is meant to protect them against real Darwinism.
If you have money and time to spare, consider doing some passive and active solar. Among other things, I expect brownouts in some parts of the country within 10 years or so. Having your own power will be really, really nice.
The new sdolar thermal has a closed loop for steam/water from steam to condensation. Their is no atmospheric release. Other liquis may be heated as well by solar. It is FACT that 1% of the earth’s solar would drive thge existing demand for ALL energy. Your argument is another oil myth. Check the Environmental Denfense Fund who are quite reliable. Yes I know there is a big education gap and a oil oligarchy that has trilliuons of our petro dollars to hire lawyers til the planet ignites in on giant fire.
I have a question for Ian,
wite the price of diesel getting to be where Independent truckers go out of business, and the ‘Just In Time” inventory mind set of the last few years, what do you see happening in that area, the distribution network?
hi ian, i have a question that struck me earlier today and i’m not sure how to word it-here goes-a concept in my brain but don’t know the lingo-try to follow–
companies who have employees in calling centers, in say, india, or ecuador, cheaper wages, they made a killing when those jobs were moved, but now, wages are higher, cuz dollar is low–aren’t they payin’ a chunk o change now for those employees in other countries?
now that the dollar is low, wouldn’t they have been better off to be paying higher wages here on a lower dollar now?
Just an aside: I am in the process of retiring from teaching. One of the “Things” I am looking forward to is that each year from now on I will actually get a Cost of Living Raise. My wife is a Medical Technologist. She has not received a raise in ten years. I am public school teacher. I have not received a raise in ten years.
When I retire, I will actually get “Something.” Not much, but at least, “Something.”
The short answer is no. Corporations and the rich created the system we have now of privatize profits and socialize losses. If they win, they win. And if they lose, we pay for it and they still win. They will stick to this system until the real economy tanks and they are finally at risk of losing their shirts. As it is taxing policy and regulation must be done over their opposition.
In this regard, look how successful they are in the Presidential candidates we have. McCain will do their bidding without question. Obama mostly will. What we need is another Trustbuster like Theodore Roosevelt or another FDR.
Yes, we are thinking very seriously about that, though wind is something we are looking at also. There is a part of me that is feeling that creating a ‘family as economic unit’(that is, having the kids that will do so, live in the house with us and sharing the costs of that, instead of the kids going off and having their own households). Yes, there could end up being a whole lot of snark going, but from a carbon generation standpoint and a amortizing the costs standpoint, it makes some crazy sense to me.
I expect the big box stores to become unprofitable in their current model, as transportation prices rise. This will be especially true in the interior. Shipping is still going to be a ton cheaper because the crud you use in freighters is not usable anywhere else anyway, pretty much.
As a result, I actually expect to see some manufacturing moving back to be closer to markets and not necessarily overseas.
I also expect railroads to come back in a big, big way.
I’d say that “call centers” are an outdated model. Developing national broadband would transfer the “call centers” traffic dometically.
Much easier on the constitution.
Well, costs are still cheaper in a lot of those countries. But it’s true that a lot of outsourcing and offshoring no longer makes sense and it has slowed down considerably. In some industries there’s even a small reversal, especially call centers, interestingly. Indian call centers just don’t cut it, customers hate them.
But the dollar hasn’t dropped enough to make up the full difference, that’s for sure.
Thanks.
I completely agree with your assessment on the railroads: they will come back huge. Do you see any corresponding prospects for passenger rail? Other than urban and inter-urban, that is?
In poorer societies the extended family makes far more sense than the nuclear family, which is very stunted and unable to deal with shocks and crises. The nuclear family is primarily useful because it is mobile and can pick up and go. Also because living with your folks isn’t always fun. ;) But in economic terms and in childcare and eldercare terms, the extended family kicks ass. It’s also the best way to get rich, or handle bad times, as immigrants regularly demonstrate.
I’d love to see the railroads come back, but I read an article abount Amtrak where they said that one of the major problems for passenger rail in this country is…suppliers are few and far between. Now, in Upstate New York, we do have, in Hornell, a rail car builder and refurbisher. But in that article, they mentioned that Amtrak has hundreds of cars sitting on sidings because they need to be fixed. We won’t even go into the actual physical condition of the rail beds in this country.
First we need a Great Depression size financial crisis to scare at least some of the Elite from causing trouble. Then we some way to bring hope for the younger Elites to make money like investing in green power.
Right now Bush has stopped hope in a new way of generating power making money by stopping R@D in green power and stopping solar projects on public lands.
Bush’s next stop is stopping a Dem from being President.
Our Dems are not stopping him losing the Iraq war is stopping him. Bush’s own economy is stopping him.
High speed rail makes huge amounts of sense urban/urban. I think it also makes quite a bit of sense as mass transit, in many cases. There’s also light rail systems with small computer dispatched cars (I forget the name for this) that I think should be looked into for urban cores.
The problem is how to do public transit for the burbs. That’s going to be very difficult.
Well, those things can always be fixed if there’s enough demand. US manufacturing isn’t so far gone that the technical capacity has been lost. The problem right now is that cars are heavily subsidized and rail is not, so they look economically unviable.
thanks ian. so, if i understand correctly, some of the regulatory policies (like those hugh suggested above) might not only be good policy, but also work to re-engage elites in the real economy. great. let’s push them hard then.
jared diamond’s,”Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed” was like a two-by-four upside the head for me. and i’ve been puzzling over this idea ever since.
if anyone is interested what i’m referring to… here’s an interview where diamond gives a good explanation of this idea. the relevant portion begins:
Why did R@D turn blue in my comment at 127 I didn’t provide link did I hit the wrong key?
Yeah, I have it on my desk, but haven’t read it yet. But the basic idea is one that makes perfect sense to me and one I’ve used for a long time.
why would people perceive problems but still not solve their own problems? A theme that emerges from Norse Greenland as well as from other places, is insulation of the decision making elite from the consequences of their actions. That is to say, in societies where the elites do not suffer from the consequences of their decisions, but can insulate themselves, the elite are more likely to pursue their short-term interests, even though that may be bad for the long-term interests of the society, including the children of the elite themselves.
That quote alone could win us this election if we put it in a TV commercial everyone thinks Bush/McCain is out of touch already!
By using the @ sign between characters, the blog software sees that as a link or email.
Without cheap energy for cheap transportation, mass transit and urban living will both be needed. The problem of the suburbs is not getting people to and from work but to and from everywhere else.
Ian, I hope you and Jane are seriously considering ways to use Firedoglakeaction emails to support legislation that builds on your ideas.
LOL!
I don’t know but when I clicked on it my Email popped up and wanted to send a letter to “R”.
Thanks
I agree.
Home ownership is built on inexpensive energy. Without it, renting may look a lot more sensible from a financial perspective.
ok then – pipe dream.
could be… but for most of us, thinking this way just leads to irrational idealization of people like obama. i need other ways to think about what can be done if i’m not going to sit on my ass and wait for a hero to show up.
I can speak a bit to this issue. A lot of medical transcription is being done offshore. If a USA transcriptionist is paid by the hour, with benefits, you pay maybe 1/3 to 1/2 for offshore. If you’re charging per line, which is X cents per, say, 65 characters a USA transcriptionist may cost between 10 and 13 cents per line, whereas offshore is half that. My guess is the same situation would prevail for call centers.
Ironically, here on the Big Isle we have a large pool of workers on one side of the Isle (where housing is relatively affordable) and the jobs market on the other side(4&5 star hotels, etc…), the County stepped up and provides free transportation(buses) to meet the challenge, it is a huge success story…!
CT ol military industrial complex retired guy. Get out a calculator figure the new infrastructure cost versus existing turbine plants online to the grid. Solar thermal can provide the steam and replace carbon as a fuel cource. Grid is million a mile capital. Please shartpen your pencil. By the way mirrors/glass is the cheapest by far compared to solar electric panels and the footprint is exponentially smaller. Put that thinking cap back o. Like George Carlin I have a low toreance for BS.
Lot of call centers are moving back because of quality issues. Personal contact stuff is tricky for people overseas (which is why they prefered Canada and Ireland for a long time). But stuff that is mechanical like transcription is toast — if it’s done just as well, why pay two or three times as much?
your RnD turned blue because of the ‘at’ sign
please. no no no.
with our current state of fear, anger and mass media i think that just seems a recipe for a right wing demagogue.
And for good reason. The people are unfailingly polite, have lovely English, seem REALLY interested in your problem, and have absolutely no fracking idea of how to cure said problem. I will go to my grave without ever touching another Dell computer because of some call center in Bangalore.
Ian, always a great read…one problem I always have while reading your posts, they are so rich with content that by the time I finish the read I can’t remember the items I categorized in my head to comment;
I believe I might be before you on this, even before they stopped publishing the m3 index, (that once told us how much money we were printing, bush made that figure unavailable, go figure)
I said from the very beginning, so long as there is no income to fund the war, and the president had to pay debt service for his borrowing, they only method of accomplishing that was to print paper
we were protected by the fragile thread that countries couldn’t afford to collapse our economy, they held too much of the very paper that would do just that, they wouldn’t want to turn their own investments into dust, they therefore held on as long as they could
I have been predicting inflation far worse then Vietnam days since there was nothing funding the war what so ever except the non stop printing (and therefore devaluation) of our dollar
here’s an example;
I have to but product from Canada, they do not want our money and the exchange rate is extraordinary so even though they have not raised their prices, I am paying more then inflation would have otherwise indicated
yet nobody in my area of business feels comfortable spending money, everyone thinks this is the time to be prudent, (I happen to think this is the time to spend, you aren’t going to get more for your money then you do today)
since they don’t want to spend, I have to price very very low, as do my competitors, yet I am paying much much more for product!
inflation and deflation at the same time!!!
I believe these are the times to invest in hard assets, not paper assets…but what does that mean?
who knows…anyway, a great great read
off topic, I am hoping you will one day get to use the information I made you aware, that the Boston tea party was inspired not because of “excess taxes” and not because of “taxation without representation” but because king George LOWERED taxes on imports for his wealthy pals, therefore putting pressure on local business
anyway, again, a great read and I thank you for the post
Remember how they laughed their asses off at Hillary Clinton? Yes, “It Takes A Village.”
In regards to photo-voltaic, we’ve made some quantum leaps… Nano technology provides the means of merely painting one’s roof to provide PV energy for instance…!
Ian…keep up the info flow to us. Another post might be “How to survive the depression”: a list of strategies like no debt, grow your own, use bicycle, turn lights of most of time, wear another layer rather than run the heater etc Thank You for the posts love em all.
The Great Depression gave us FDR it also gave us Hitler hopefully the human race has learned something since then. Or at the very least Bush has made absolute power seem like a bad idea to the world.
I’m not saying we should do nothing but that the process is likely to be confrontational not cooperative. In the long run, a strong, stable economy is better for everyone but elites would both like to own the goose that lays the golden egg and have it for dinner too.
BustedKnuckles – what are you doing to prepare for the coming depression?
I can tell you for a fact that it’s NOT done as well. We have one doc in our practice whose stuff is done offshore and they belong to the “if the doc says it, it MUST be correct.” WROOOONG!!! Docs get tired and screw up medication dosages, as just one example. Trust me — you do NOT want someone thinking that you should be taking 50 MG of Synthroid when your actual dose is 50 MCG. And you don’t want to be taking 750 mg of Levaquin TID instead of once a day. That’s part of the reason I get paid what I get paid for what I do. My docs trust me to catch things like that, and also to ask them if I’m not absolutely 1000% sure about something. /rant
dr kirk upstairs with what not to like about global warming
this is in fact the original purpose of the classical form of a ghetto
communities would migrate with each other and give each other support, buying from one another so each might prosper
I believe this might be one of the problems with the “American black ghetto”
It seems these are compiled not out of necessity or desire but out of economic hardship and social insistence
because it is not a “willing” ghetto, nor a real ghetto of culture, (the families belonged to many diverse culture, not a common one but for the country of origin), they didn’t feel the need to support local business and in fact wanted to “graduate” from the ghetto and supported outside economies as soon as possible
just my observation, not on point to this thread
I have been saying we have been in a depression for far longer then the administration even admits to a recession
well there is a promise comparing fdr to our times;
he began his presidency as a moderate and rose to the occasion, I have hopes obama will be just such a man
fisa gives me great pause however
So do I but Bush keeps denying it, maybe a Great Depression is a Depression so big even a President can’t deny it is real:)
Thanks Ian!
I don’t think we’re in a “great” depression just yet, but I also think we are teetering on it
one truckers strike and that will spark the tide from “moderate” depression to deep or great
One of the few things that gives me any sort of hope for the next decade or so is that about 5 years ago I decided that if I couldn’t afford to pay for something that month it would not be put on my credit card(s). I used to carry debt of nearly $20,000. I hunkered down, bit the bullet, and paid that off. I have a mortgage because I have to have a roof over my head and my mortgage is cheaper than rent is here, and I have a car payment on my hybrid. I use 1 credit card, and the entire balance is paid every month. I’m still concerned about what’s coming, but I can’t even imagine how scared I’d be if I still had a huge debt load.
personally, in a time of banker dergulation coupled with bailout, I would not mind one bit some unsecured debt, I would take as much as I could get
stocking up on food, I planted a garden, buying as many things to make me as self sufficient as possible, I have a generator just in case, I am trying to cover my narrow ass in case it all goes to hell, all at once.
The way to handle the financial breakdown is to take a page from Hitler’s book and default on our debt or do a national Chapter 11. In the thirties our national debt was 6 or so billion so borrowing wasn’t a problem, but it took WWII to bail us out. We are tapped out. We can’t do Keynesian economics because no one in their right mind, not even the Chinese or Japanese, will fund our borrowings. We can print money as we do now, but that is unsustainable and will result in high food and fuel prices. Selling assets will make no sense because rising prices on things that matter makes the asset as worthless as the dollars one sells it for.
A more interesting question is considering the pain it causes, what makes capitalism worth saving. What’s in it for us?
Soylent Green
CTuttle has a very low tolerance for BS as well.
the problem is the “global economy” not capitolism, the problem is the more wealth a company aquires the easier it is to buy law
we must get back to progressive taxes, we must eliminate corporate sponsorship of politicians and we must tariff products produced with slave, child and unfair labor condidtions
I would hope that folks would start to move away from the ‘Saviour’ mode. We got lucky with FDR. We need a different approach to how we rule ourselves.
Perhaps a Republic with three independent branches using ‘checks and balances’?
The most important people on the planet right now.
Right now, are the 538 members of Congress which is why we are in such big trouble. We must replace the current clown circus with people who….
CAN GET THE JOB DONE!
and….
LET THEM DO IT WITHOUT INTERFERENCE FROM CAPITALIST IDIOTS, RELIGIOUS ‘LEADERS’ OR POLITICAL OPPORTUNISTS!
A big job but not impossible. Let’s start with getting rid of current Dem leadership. Every progressive in the nation should make it their job this fall to get rid of….
The Vile and Useless Nancy Pelosi.
That would send an unmistakable message.
and my 116–i was just using calling centers as an example, the question is broader than that, was the only thing i could think of to explain my question…….but would also apply to other areas, manufacturing, etc….
it’s just that with the dollar low and looking like it will remain that way, and inflation rising in other countries as well as ours, would it be cheaper for them to move things back here? the trade issues (breaks) would be another issue, but those could always be changed. (yeah, right, i know)
just was wondering about it today.
I’m pretty sure there isn’t going to be much of a resurgence of rail. Most of the track is heavily used, and there isn’t that much excess capacity. Like every other part of our infrastructure, we haven’t built much and haven’t maintained what we have.
i’m planting a garden – did much heavy work pitchforking up all the soil getting rid of weed roots, augmenting, mulching, and then the groundhog ate everything up. Friend loaned me a havahart trap with instructions to drown the beasts. Beast has avoided said trap.
Solar Grand Plan
HVDC transmission lines….store energy in compressed air in abandoned mines…
It’s all there, off-the-shelf-technology just waiting to be put to use.
Pull yer heads out and get busy electing people who know what The Road to Olduvai Gorge….
I have a mole, he is going to be terminated, with prejudice.
Thanks!
i’d rather deal with a mole, these groundhogs are BIG!
marion at 147–tracfone has a call center in equador and i forget the other one in south america……
.22 shortrifle. I’d do it here but I am in town with
informantsneighbors.some years ago, the neighbor came over with a shotgun!! we got away with that one, groundhog didn’t.
Your points are well taken, but I still think the sheer mass/volume of goods that can be moved (cheaply) by rail will make the investment in additional infrastructure worthwhile.
Capitalism or the global economy is about hierarchy; about some people thinking they are better than others. Since we all die, nothing we do in this life justifies hierarchy. To think it does is insanity. The strivers need for inequality makes them crazier than the rest of us. That we allow them to lead is the problem, not the solution.
Yes, leaving the ghetto is a real problem for blacks – you need your succesful people to stay.
yet they don’t, their very purpose is to leave, that is the real problem
Is it not the very paucity of ‘their’ ideas, selise, which, beyond our collective hubris, has brought us to this point?
The wealthy elite (and most Economists) never think that reality can bite ‘them’. “They’ have it all figured out.
It is when other ideas, such as Ian’s, gain ‘traction’ that ‘they’ will decide that ‘they’ agreed all along and just hadn’t realized it.
Otherwise, ‘they’ would have to admit that ‘they’ were wrong.
Picture Bu$h.
Picture Cheney …
How long will it take?
Can we ‘afford’ to wait for ‘them’ to see the light?
You always seek the better angels in everyone, which is as it should be. However, the better angels of some have been out-sourced for so long a time that it is doubtful that the angels could find their way home, ever
again …
The best thing which the elites might do is to join with the rest of us, but they would still wish to be ‘in charge’ one suspects and would expect to remain rich (by virtue of what, I cannot imagine, except appeals to ‘it has ever been thus’ …).
It is conceivable that the rich will always be with us, but for a time, at least, they shall have to be less pushy,and, believe it or not, less fearful, but more cautious and less feared, that is, far, far less powerful.As well as being disabused of the notion that the world ‘belongs’ to ‘them’ to do with as they wish, to toy with life, and to ‘risk’ destruction of the Earth’s capacity to support human life.
The rest of us must insist upon these things, as well as end to military ’solutions’, whether in Iraq, Iran, potentially, or the sorry state of Burma.
Today, the wealthy elite, the corporate powers and the military (with considerable help from the ‘political class’, of ‘curse’) are, to state the obvious, far too cozy.
Thanks, selise, for providing the comment which inspired my rant.
Apologies to all, for belaboring the obvious.
sorry, I can’t agree with the premise that thinking you’re better then someone is a bad thing, I happen to believe it’s a good thing
I believe we should all believe more in ourselves then anyone else, that we are all better then most everyone we encounter
I believe this is the only reason we move forward, there is a hierarchy in life, I have no problem with a hierarchy in man.
what we need to establish is that the hierarchy is for everyone, that everyone can rise and needs to try to rise, but not at the expense of others, on behalf of others
I don’t beleive we need a savior, but I do believe we need a lead
being the lead takes nothing more then doing what the man is elected for, governing for the people, as a man working for the people, he is the employee not the employer and if he realizes that is his job, to do OUR work, his lead will do the trick
T
to elaborate, we don’t need a president who will tell us what he wants to do, we need a president who tries to do what we tell HIM
he works for us, not the other way around, we don’t want a savior we want a lead
Thanks for the great post, Ian. “Tomorrow has come.” Chilling stuff.
As always, I enjoy your work.
Although we are social animals, we fear society which is why we have dystopian rather than utopian visions. We see a too strong society as diminishing our individuality. Your point of view is clearly the mainstream. I see it as the product of collective inferiority, just as I see boom bust cycles as manic depression, a mood swing as pathological in nations as it is in individuals. You might ask yourself why you strive?
What makes individualism so important especially in our electronic times when it really gets in the way.
just as you feel you have information to share with me, points of view I haven’t considered, so do I feel the same
and both of us are correct
you feel superior to me in some regards, and so you are, and I the same
we all need to feel as though we have something to offer and we cannot possibly feel that way if we believe we are inferior
I do not feel superior to you and cannot be. You confuse identity with equality. We are not identical. We differ in all sorts of ways, physical and psychological. I have some talents, you have others, but evaluating those talents as better or worse is psychotic because our evaluations have no connection to objective reality. What is your basis for comparing? Your collective thinking (far more people agree with you than me) has no more philosophical weight than my individual evaluations. Lots of people believe in God (do you?) Their belief is no more valid than my individual belief God, if he or she exists, couldn’t care less about happens to humanity. The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with the number of people who believe it.