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	<title>Comments on: FDL Book Salon Welcomes Myra MacPherson: All Governments Lie: The Life and Times of Rebel Journalist I. F. Stone</title>
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		<title>By: DeanOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeanOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 06:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Damn, I missed this discussion. Stone meant a lot to me. Early in the Vietnam war I was having a hard time figuring out what was really going on. (Imagine not having blogs). I discovered Stone and subscribed to his little Weekly. He was absolutely intrepid. His few pages would arrive in the mail from his office every week full of essential information that was hard to get otherwise. He dug up hidden facts and didn’t hesitate to draw conclusions from them, no matter how subversive some people might think him to be. Today, I look to the blogs for that and also to a handful of great journalists such as Dan Froomkin. Dan actually manages to report very meaningfully and honestly on the Administration instead of standing across the street from the White House on camera for 25 seconds of dumb blather as if standing there proves that the reporter has inside information.&lt;br /&gt;
Governments lie.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I missed this discussion. Stone meant a lot to me. Early in the Vietnam war I was having a hard time figuring out what was really going on. (Imagine not having blogs). I discovered Stone and subscribed to his little Weekly. He was absolutely intrepid. His few pages would arrive in the mail from his office every week full of essential information that was hard to get otherwise. He dug up hidden facts and didn’t hesitate to draw conclusions from them, no matter how subversive some people might think him to be. Today, I look to the blogs for that and also to a handful of great journalists such as Dan Froomkin. Dan actually manages to report very meaningfully and honestly on the Administration instead of standing across the street from the White House on camera for 25 seconds of dumb blather as if standing there proves that the reporter has inside information.<br />
Governments lie.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 03:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From Myra’s comments on Izzy at the I.F. Stone official website.  It’s an observation and a caution.  The MSM will reliably ignore it.  But progressives should repeatedly remind President Obama about it, as he predictably rushes to bury the past rather than learn from it, like Marc Anthony did with Caesar and his senators (emph. mine):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Stone was far from a mere dissenting polemicist. “Izzy realized some things that most journalists forget — when the decision on the controversy is taken, it is only then that you really begin to have available to you the facts that brought the crisis about,” reflected Reston. &lt;strong&gt;“Most reporters, I [James Reston] among them, usually when the decision is taken, go on to something else, but not Izzy . . . He would go back and read and interview and then bring together a story about what had really happened–which was usually so much better and accurate than the day-to-day coverage.”&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ifstone.org/biography-refuted.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ifstone.org/biography-refuted.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Myra’s comments on Izzy at the I.F. Stone official website.  It’s an observation and a caution.  The MSM will reliably ignore it.  But progressives should repeatedly remind President Obama about it, as he predictably rushes to bury the past rather than learn from it, like Marc Anthony did with Caesar and his senators (emph. mine):</p>
<blockquote><p>Stone was far from a mere dissenting polemicist. “Izzy realized some things that most journalists forget — when the decision on the controversy is taken, it is only then that you really begin to have available to you the facts that brought the crisis about,” reflected Reston. <strong>“Most reporters, I [James Reston] among them, usually when the decision is taken, go on to something else, but not Izzy . . . He would go back and read and interview and then bring together a story about what had really happened–which was usually so much better and accurate than the day-to-day coverage.”</strong></p>
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<p><a href="http://www.ifstone.org/biography-refuted.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifstone.org/biography-refuted.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: gmoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>gmoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;People should go back before IF Stone and look at the work of George Seldes as well.  Seldes taught Stone about how to run his own newsletter and provided him with the mailing list from his independent newsletter, In Fact.  There’s a good documentary on Seldes called “Tell the Truth and Run” and his memoirs, _Witness to a Century_, is essential reading.  Another essential read is Upton Sinclair’s _The Brass Check_.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People should go back before IF Stone and look at the work of George Seldes as well.  Seldes taught Stone about how to run his own newsletter and provided him with the mailing list from his independent newsletter, In Fact.  There’s a good documentary on Seldes called “Tell the Truth and Run” and his memoirs, _Witness to a Century_, is essential reading.  Another essential read is Upton Sinclair’s _The Brass Check_.</p>
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		<title>By: albertchampion</title>
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		<dc:creator>albertchampion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;just some thoughts….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. i think that we should applaud bob silvers and barbara epstein of the nyrb for giving izzy a real, public, national audience. it may not have been his first piece for that rag, but the 1968-1969 multi-part investigations into the perfidies/prevarications of robert strange mcnamara constituted the first disrobing of the whiz kid.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;izzy’s investigation was great, but it was silvers and epstein that allowed it to get real air.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. and while we are on the subject of journalism and honor and integrity, i think we should consider the source of so many of our national prevaricators, today’s journalist mad men. i find it fascinating how so many of them earned their press credentials at donny graham’s harvard crimson. let us consider a few: bo jones, bob samuelson, jono fuerbringer, tj matthews. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3. finally, myra, while on the subject of honor, didn’t you stiff my brother-in-law, a literary agent in LA, concerning this book?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just some thoughts….</p>
<p>1. i think that we should applaud bob silvers and barbara epstein of the nyrb for giving izzy a real, public, national audience. it may not have been his first piece for that rag, but the 1968-1969 multi-part investigations into the perfidies/prevarications of robert strange mcnamara constituted the first disrobing of the whiz kid.</p>
<p>izzy’s investigation was great, but it was silvers and epstein that allowed it to get real air.</p>
<p>2. and while we are on the subject of journalism and honor and integrity, i think we should consider the source of so many of our national prevaricators, today’s journalist mad men. i find it fascinating how so many of them earned their press credentials at donny graham’s harvard crimson. let us consider a few: bo jones, bob samuelson, jono fuerbringer, tj matthews. </p>
<p>3. finally, myra, while on the subject of honor, didn’t you stiff my brother-in-law, a literary agent in LA, concerning this book?</p>
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		<title>By: MrWhy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/28/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-myra-macpherson-all-governments-lie-the-life-and-times-of-rebel-journalist-i-f-stone/#comment-1518694</link>
		<dc:creator>MrWhy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can see them now, in green blazers, and horn rimmed glasses.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see them now, in green blazers, and horn rimmed glasses.</p>
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		<title>By: AZ Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>AZ Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ya, Froomkin was blowing kisses to Marcy!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, Froomkin was blowing kisses to Marcy!</p>
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		<title>By: CTuttle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/28/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-myra-macpherson-all-governments-lie-the-life-and-times-of-rebel-journalist-i-f-stone/#comment-1518630</link>
		<dc:creator>CTuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;*sigh* I missed it…!  8-(&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Lake totally rawks…!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh* I missed it…!  8-(</p>
<p>The Lake totally rawks…!</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the charge that we don’t do independent reporting is off base.  A lot of live blogging is precisely that.  I would point out how many of us went over the Military Commissions Act with a fine tooth comb and pounded away at all of the terrible points about it and the kabuki in how it was passed.  selise and powwow did the same on the PAA last August.  We did in depth analysis of Boumediene, tons more than what I saw in the MSM.  I remember rwcole bringing up the mortgage crisis back in 2005 or early 2006 and our hammering on that.  I have been writing about the role of speculation in the current spike in oil prices since last August.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Could we do more?  Of course, but with the resources we have and what is publicly available (in the tradition of Stone) we are doing quite a lot.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the charge that we don’t do independent reporting is off base.  A lot of live blogging is precisely that.  I would point out how many of us went over the Military Commissions Act with a fine tooth comb and pounded away at all of the terrible points about it and the kabuki in how it was passed.  selise and powwow did the same on the PAA last August.  We did in depth analysis of Boumediene, tons more than what I saw in the MSM.  I remember rwcole bringing up the mortgage crisis back in 2005 or early 2006 and our hammering on that.  I have been writing about the role of speculation in the current spike in oil prices since last August.  </p>
<p>Could we do more?  Of course, but with the resources we have and what is publicly available (in the tradition of Stone) we are doing quite a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Bustednuckles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bustednuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Outstanding thread.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outstanding thread.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/28/feds-credibility-below-zero/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New Ian post&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/28/feds-credibility-below-zero/" rel="nofollow">New Ian post</a></p>
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