There have been more than a few areas where conservatives have taken a constant sledgehammer to the law until enough people finally yield in exhaustion.
And this week, we’ve seen two of them, oh, make it three.
This week is a particularly troubling one because the Fourth Amendment (the new FISA bill); and the Eighth Amendment (reaction to the prohibition of the death penalty for child rape) have come up in an election year. And we all know how much that sucks — because the media is incapable of having a "mature" debate on issues, as it is comprised of too many venal and insipid shills from top to bottom; and too many people just want their pablum so they can move on. It’s all about "character" (i.e. who’s a badass?) and process ("who’s up, who’s down – how can me make them even?).
Well, you know the drill, it gets hammered at you and about you all day.
But there is a third defeat this week as well and it doesn’t bode well for those of you who say die or get sick because a produce or meat distributor or even restaurant does not follow well-known and standard safety precautions. Or a manufacturer sells you a car that would be better known as the "Death Trap 3000". A hybrid that crosses rolling over easily with being highly flammable.
Yesterday, the Supreme Court took a not particularly bold step of allowing companies to amortize their own deliberate indifference to safety and responsibility. I guess it’s all up to the power of Jesus or something.
The Supreme Court on Wednesday reduced what had once been a $5 billion punitive damages award against Exxon Mobil to about $500 million. The ruling essentially concluded a legal saga that started when the Exxon Valdez, a supertanker, struck a reef and spilled 11 million gallons of crude oil into the Prince William Sound in Alaska in 1989.
The decision may have broad implications for limits on punitive damages generally. Punitive damages, which are meant to punish and deter, are imposed on top of compensatory damages, which aim to make plaintiffs whole.
Justice David H. Souter, writing for the majority in the 5-to-3 decision, said a ratio between the two sorts of damages of no more than one-to-one was generally appropriate, at least in maritime cases.
First of all, this case if nothing, else demonstrates the first legal tactic of a large business with a large penalty, tie cases up in the courts for frickin’ ever.
How many of the right wingers who decry the ability of criminal appeals with what they describe as frivolous appeals have absolutely no freakin’ problem with the world’s most profitable business delaying for nearly two decades? I know, all of them.
Second, and more profoundly, it will not be long until Justice Souter’s decision on a "one-to-one" ratio in maritime cases gets applied to virtually all cases involving a civil defendant’s deliberate indifference or recklessness to safety.
When a company can know calculate the potential penalty they may incur for causing injury by not giving a crap, then they can pass on the cost to you, the consumer, who unknowingly buys the "Death Trap 3000". Think of how delighted the tobacco industry would be with a "one-to-one" rule?
And here is the cold calculated quite visible hand of the "market" compromising the risk of dangerous conduct being minimized right from the decision:
The real problem, it seems, is the stark unpredictability of punitive awards. Courts of law are concerned with fairness as consistency, and evidence that the median ratio of punitive to compensatory awards falls within a reasonable zone, or that punitive awards are infrequent, fails to tell us whether the spread between high and low individual awards is acceptable. The available data suggest it is not. A recent comprehensive study of punitive damages awarded by juries in state civil trials found a median ratio of punitive to compensatory awards of just 0.62:1, but a mean ratio of 2.90:1 and a standard deviation of 13.81. Juries, Judges, and Punitive Damages 269.16 Even to those of us unsophisticated in statistics, the thrust of these figures is clear: the spread is great, and the outlier cases subject defendants to punitive damages that dwarf the corresponding compensatory damages.
The sheer gall of the Court applying a generality to something so "fact-specific" as punitive damage awards is breathtaking in its banality. When a company knows the "risk" of bad behavior to a reasonable certainty, but the bad behavior increases profit they’ll gladly pass that risk on in profitable form to one person, the customer. The very person paying the cost of making the dangerous product is the person buying the unsafe product.
The Exxon decision is a dangerous one, it’s application will spread primarily because of the dicta above. Among other things people are quite simply going to get sick and die because of it. But at least the agent of death can build that risk into their bottom line now.
Thanks Supreme Court.
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Good morning!
But can they afford it
If my math is correct (doubtful) it should take them about 100 hours to pay off the spillage debt.
wow, interesting perspective, plus they prolly spent way more than that in legal fees.
But HEAVENS! we don’t want to give trial lawyers money, unless they are corporate trial lawyers. /s
Maybe exxon promised to name a ship after the “justices”. How about SCOTUS Valdez
Hey, and let’s not forget(the news story is pegged on the bulletin board here at FDL about the case where because a man had murdered his girlfriend, and therefore could not face his accuser, the Supreme Court threw his conviction out.
“The case revolved around the Sixth Amendment, which affords people the bedrock right to confront and cross-examine witnesses who give testimony against them. At issue is whether defendants forfeit their confrontation rights by doing harm to people whose statements are introduced in judicial proceedings.” And, as far as the Supremes are concerned, that answer is…..no.
WTF are the corporatist shitwads on SCOTUS to legislate in this manner?
Oh, I forgot – they’re the corporatist shitwads on SCOTUS.
OT but I’m a little outraged at how little press the latest findings at the DOJ got. They seem to have just disappeared. What happened?
And there’s been better, but still less than decent coverage of the EPA/WH email situation, even though there seemed to be a lot of information coming out about it, including a report due today that has been watered down by Bush.
I brought that ruling up yesterday (off topic and with apologies to Ms Hamsher!) as I could not understand Scalia’s “reasoning” It seemed that he was recommending the perp kill his victim to shut her up. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
punitive damages are the only way to get a corporations attention for egregious assaults against the ordinary person. It’s amazing the callousness that can go into cost/benefit analysis.
we have become a robber baron society, with a robber baron economy
these are only the baby steps, more to come, there will be deregulation of everything, we won’t even know the plastic that containes your soda will kill your offspring, we won’t even know shredding mountain tops for a few pounds of coal will kill the populace miles away, we won’t even know the “new battery” destroys the land for any potential of food growth
I have have a great life and don’t expect to see most of these repercussions, but our kids are in tons of trouble
the country is no longer theirs, the courts will side every time for the corporations and they will not even allow agencies to report damage done
truck bumpers will not have to line up with car bumpers and an accident will decapitate your daughter, water will not be examined and will contain toxin, reservoirs will be given new chemicals to keep them “pure” when in fact they lower the mortality rate
drugs to make childbearing less painful will cause cancer in the mom and infertility in the child…and nobody will know it.
the “republicans” have co-opted the “libertarian’s” principles, libertarian is simply a nice word for “anarchism”, they want the laws that protect their property forever, they will rescind laws that force them to pay their own bills
robber baron economics, might is right, if they need you you will survive so long as they believe you are a positive return, once negative or zero sum you are exposable
our kids, god bless them, will not have the land we inherited.
god help us all
I retire for a few hours, I can take very little more of this
Folk musician John McCutcheon probably saw this decision coming a mile a way . . . From his song “Black Sea”:
Click through to his page, then select “Black Sea” for the rest.
The Exxon case turned on the application of admiralty / maritime law. That stuff is “different,” and in principle, for many good reasons. The rock-bottom function of maritime law is to facilitate commercial maritime traffic.
While most observers in the public will prospectively export the reduction in punitive damages to daily life (the restaurant, the defective product, etc.), the law says otherwise. This is a maritime decision.
Obviously, those personally affected, and those with strong environmental concern, will be offended by the decision, and may well disagree with maritime law as a general matter.
The point of my post is just to ratchet down the concern level a bit.
And hey, where was the outrage when the Appellate Courts reduced the punitive damages awarded in the McDonald’s “hot coffee” case?
Considering the number of murders of women by boyfriends/husbands/ex-husbands/disgrunted former whatevers…where the women have ‘given testimony’ against said person(and thereby gotten ‘orders of protection’ or whatever and yes, I realize in this case, the ‘testimony’ included statements like “If I’m killed, he did it”), and then later that person does them harm – this is mind-boggling. It’s an open invitation. Why do these guys hate women?
I goad people into bringing up the “hot coffee” case when talking about tort reform and how they are a victim of propaganda
man, when they read the real issues of that case they are dumbfounded how it was reported
then I tell them, “there is no such thing as a liberal media, it is corporate owned with a corporate agenda”, they cannot possibly deny the point
off for a few hours while I sulk over my lost country
thanks for the clarification, cboldt
Also off topic…there was a commercial for McWar the other night on the fair and balanced TeeVee media and it seemed as though the video was speeded up when McSlow was walking or moving around. Has anyone else noticied this. Can’t say that I remember what the commercial was about besides McStupid. Maybe offshore drilling, can’t recall.
i remember a conversation with christy about that case
To be a “good” republican one must have a wide stance and a narrow mind.
Completely OT(sorry, but this is getting F-ing unreal…
Oh, good god…It’s a (big Scary) 12 yr old boy!
Do they not have children?
And WTF is wrong with England?? We lived through and lived with, the reality of IRA bombings/terror attacks. We did not need, nor want, a ‘How to spot/find a Paddy’ anti-terrorism scheme..
So, WTF is ‘A new anti-terrorism scheme targeting al-Qa’eda inspired youths.’
‘A schoolboy aged 12 has been identified as an al-Qaeda inspired extremist after sending beheading videos to his classmates, police have disclosed.
Anti-terrorism chiefs have said the example revealed how violent extremism is spreading “like a virus infecting young minds”.
The blonde, white schoolboy from West Yorkshire is among 120 people being dealt with by police in a new anti-terrorism scheme targeting al-Qa’eda inspired youths.’
http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=10235
Excellent description…there must be millions of’em.
But will they come out of the water closet?
“The sheer gall of the Court applying a generality to something so “fact-specific” as punitive damage awards is breathtaking in its banality..” I see this as ‘all of a piece’ with the decision on the death penalty for child rape, immunity for the telecoms, and so on. It seems to be to revolve around the concept of ‘the value of a human life” and “adults lives having more value than children’s lives” and “men’s lives having more value than women’s lives.” And it is not just life itself, but the quality of that life – for this court, those things do not matter, obviously.
Because they good practicing Christians or Catholics.
I’m thinking that the State of Alaska could help matters a bit with a tweak to their tax code. This is just off the top of my head, but I envision something like this:
Section one: Oil royalties shall be paid according to the following schedule: (insert current royalty rates here).
Section two: Oil companies found to be responsible for minor environmental damage shall have these rates doubled for a period of five years, those responsible for moderate environmental damage shall have these rates tripled for a period of fifteen years, and those responsible for major environmental damage shall have these rates quadrupled for a period of thirty years. (insert definitions here)
Section three: Should an oil company under the sanctions of section two be sold, the sanctions will be transferred to the new buyer.
Section four: All members of senior management of any oil company (insert definition of senior mangagment here) which is found to be liable for major economic damages under section two above shall forfeit their employment in that company and shall be prohibited from working for any other oil company that does business within the state of Alaska.
That might get someone’s attention.
edit – Because they are
preview is mah fren
That is really good…clap, clap :)
Of course, because that is so clear, practical and simple, ‘they’ will say it is too hard to put in place sorry….;)
I like it!
I disagree. I do civil rights and employment law and I’ve seen too many pieces of bad dicta being shoehorned into Appellate Court opinions to believe otherwise.
Oh and Souter wasn’t using “just” maritime cases in his discussion of punitive damages he was using the whole panoply of punitive damage verdicts in coming to his conclusion as to how much to award over compensatories.
With all the attempts at “tort reform” over the past couple decades it seems the SCOTUS has taken it upon themselves to protect the corporations. Activist judges are only bad if they side with the people.
– I’ve seen too many pieces of bad dicta being shoehorned into Appellate Court opinions to believe otherwise. –
Well, of course I’d be nuts to say that lawyers and judges actually “follow the law” all the time. There are plenty of outcome-based decisions, and certainly no shortage of zealous advocates who make, umm, disingenuous arguments and make specious cites to case law.
The most oft-cited case, Marbury v. Madison, is most often used to support the proposition that Courts “say what the law is” period. But in fact, that case is a court looking at two conflicting laws, and rather than making up a law, being tasked with choosing which of the two has superior force.
Anyway, mentioned as a pedestrian example of lawyers making shit up to suit their objective. I can’t disagree with you, EVERY decision is subject to being abused by a lawyer and/or a judge. The Exxon case is no exception to that.
Injustice Bork is at this very moment dancing on the freshly dug grave of the “trial lawyer lobby”.
Has his own tort case concluded yet? The one good thing that will come out of this is that the defendant will get to appeal any punitive damages.
#11123425 uses for Duct tape!!! Bet we all feel safe now..
Seriously, they are playing with serious, serious bad shit in these places scary stuff..They really should be careful.
‘At the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s new $214 million infectious disease laboratory in Atlanta, scientists are conducting experiments on bioterror bacteria in a room with a containment door sealed with duct tape.
The tape was applied around the edges of the door a year ago after the building’s ventilation system malfunctioned and pulled potentially contaminated air out of the lab and into a “clean” hallway.’
http://www.ajc.com/metro/conte…..dclab.html
And probably today, SCOTUS will hand down a decision in the Heller case, which some people will argue is yet another example of SCOTUS trampling on the Constitution, by not reading in and giving force to “the plain words, ‘a well regulated militia’”
I’m sending a preemptive fart in the general direction of those people.
– The tape was applied around the edges of the door a year ago after the building’s ventilation system malfunctioned and pulled potentially contaminated air out of the lab and into a “clean” hallway.’ –
Andromeda Strain! Who knew, duct tape was the solution.
sorry ot
mods, i just found the ’suggestion box’ thread from yesterday posted at ~12pm p, 3p e, and the comments are closed.
so, i guess my suggestion would be to have it open long enough to post a suggestion…..
o/t
selise,
are you listening to KPFA ? Scott Horton is already on and taking questions :D
thank you so much for the heads up on the link
ot – The Addington–Yoo Hearing, Gavel-to-gavel coverage at kfpa has begun with scott horton(details in previous thread)
i owe you a drink! – so long as it’s not a coke.
yes, i am listening and attempting to record.
….And Put the Punitive Where It Belongs!!!
i hadn’t read this until now
ohhh, opps, sorry, Attaturk :( … As usual well put post, thank-you:)
I don’t get it. It’s like The Law just became some clever game, you know ‘The one who can game the legal system best wins’???..
Where is the balance? Where is the common sense. The Laws were supposed to protect the people,
You lawyers need to help us get balance back. (much love to all the lawyers here :) you know I’m not talking about anyone who would come/stay at The Lake!!..I mean the Bad lawyers)…./venting
Consistent with their dedication to gooper agenda, law and interpretation be damned. They dont even look for legitimate figleafs for their activism.
Jon Stewart gave better coverage on EPA/email last night than I’ve seen on MSM.
i think it was on the newshour last night they said 20% of the people filing in the exxon lawsuit were dead, and the rest whose livelihoods were affected would be getting $20,000, that’s not enough to cover a boat.
Yep, that mouthful hit the monitor…..LMAO..
ot again (insert ‘whispering’ emoticon here)
for our pet lovers. this is a cool site…shhh.
http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/
if I learn of one more atrocity,(didn’t know of the Djibouti Site) may eschew coffee and go straight to Mango Martinis
thanks for the heads up, and it was so nice meeting you and all the other pups at eCAHN’s sunday.
Christy’s upstairs
howdy bluejeansntshirt! it was great meeting you too. i had such fun and hope there will more meet ups
Morin; everybody.
This is an(other) outrage. Look, lotsa states, (regrettably) have placed restrictive caps on punis. If the state hasn’t, courts should almsot always just stay the hell out of that detemination. In my view this is “judicial activism”. No trust of our citizen jurors? They usually get it right. The size of this award, inthe case of Exxon, doesn’t shock my conscience. Not at all.
where was that? wasn’t that for NJ people (among others)? I’m a 1,000 miles away now. Wished I had a excuse to be up there and could have made it.
Thanks for that. My outrrage had already surfaced before I read your comment. As for my # 52. Uh. Never mind.
Well Mr Obama vioted for telecom immunity and has said he disagrees with the SC ruling regarding rape of a child ruling. Not as Preogressive as I would have thought. He’s a political animal and will do whatever to get elected.
That was in New Paltz NY. highly recommend meetups. ya meet the nicest folks.
I find it interesting that some of the same wingnuts who are all agog over the no-killing-child-rapists ruling are supportive of this crazy one-to-one ratio notion for punitive damages vs. compensatory damages.
If we were being logical here, the reasoning presented in the punitive-damages decision would argue against applying capital punishment for a crime that didn’t result in a death, right?
Oh, sorry. We’re talking about Republicans. No logic allowed.
Souter’s language strongly suggests after-the-fact justification for a predetermined outcome. It may be based on a suspicion that “punitive” damages don’t deter wrongful behavior or that they are inherently unjust and serve only to give plaintiffs’ an undeserved “windfall”, since they, not the state, receive the punitive damage award.
Or maybe he was swayed by his neo-con colleagues pro-business bent. After all, big bidness, especially big oil, is having a hard time of it these days. Though it does seem to find enough cash to amply reward its departing CEO’s, failing ones most of all, ensuring that their – and the company’s – failings remain lost in obscurity.
Whatever his rationale, Souter knows that he’s just gutted punitive damages as a deterrent to wrongful, typically corporate, behavior. That will have dangerous, longterm consequences. Couple it with Bush’s across the board gutting of the government’s regulatory efforts – not least by installing top industry lobbyists as putative agency heads and gutting agency budgets (FDA, OSHA, even IRS audit staff) — and it’s big business that’s received an enormous, undeserved windfall.
The Chicago School notion of internalizing costs vs. externalizing them by shifting them to employees, consumers and suppliers – who can do little or nothing to prevent them – has been thrown on its head without a safety mat.
For preventive measures to work, they have to take place before harm occurs, or at least soon after it does, when the realization of the consequences of past bad acts becomes concrete rather than theoretical. Punitive damages elicit preventive measures only when they are hefty relative to the ability of the wrongdoer to pay. For me, that might be a a buck and a half. For ExxonMobil, it’s probably ten-twenty billion, a fraction of a single year’s contemporary profits. Five hundred million won’t make a dent. For this Supreme Court, I guess that’s the point.
George Bush, it seems, has imposed his own morbid fear of accountability on the entire federal government. That doesn’t mean that costs won’t be high. Indeed, they’ll be higher because there’s less incentive to incur a cost you can outsource onto someone else. Nor does it mean those higher costs won’t be paid. They’ll just be paid by you and me.
The Standard Oil monopoly and its ugly spawn have always been objects of the special solicitude of the Supreme Court and the Courts of Appeal. In the early part of the last century, a district judge named “Kennesaw Mountain” Landis imposed a $29 million penalty on Standard Oil of NJ for paying kickbacks to railroad companies. A lot of money at that time. Like the Supreme Court in the above ruling, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals also deemed this excessive and reduced it significantly. Standard Oil was convicted multiple times for this crime in other courts. Yet when the Supreme Court broke up the Standard Oil trust in 1911, these crimes were not even mentioned. Now, of course, with our system of campaign financing, these monopolies can just pay to have the laws written the way they like them.
Thee death penalty is legal and constitutional for human beings, why isn’t it legal for corporations like Exxon Mobil?