In short, Sen. Feingold has been a rock of sanity and long-term consequence consideration.
And I wanted to pause for a moment today to say thank you for that — it has meant a lot to me, and to the nation, that he and a handful of other Senators and Representatives have stood up time and time again to ask their colleagues to think a bit more on the consequences of their actions.
Sen. Feingold was a guest on The Young Turks yesterday, and spoke eloquently and passionately about his concerns for the rule of law:
…Ben Mankiewicz: Alright, well, Senator Feingold, without naming names, and I understand you don’t want to single out any of your colleagues, what is the overall reasoning, do you think, what is going on with some of these Democrats who might surprise us? I mean, they’re not stupid. Well…not all of them anyway. Why are they buying into a notion of a compromise when there really is no giving on the other side?
Senator Russ Feingold: It’s the latest chapter of running for cover when the Administration tries to intimidate Democrats on national security issues. It’s the most embarrassing failure of the Democrats I’ve seen since 2006, other than the failure to vote to end the Iraq War. These are the two real sad aspects of an otherwise pretty good record. It’s letting George Bush and Dick Cheney have their way even though they’re that unpopular and on their way out. It’s really incredible.
Cenk Uygur: It is incredible. So, I mean, it leads to the question that everybody’s been asking. You know, whether it’s our viewers, the readers of the blogs, etc. the actual bloggers, everybody that’s paying attention is asking: Why are the Democrats doing it? You know, I got three possibilities. One is caving. They think, "Hey if we give into Bush, we’re going to win more elections, and we don’t really care about the policy, and the fourth amendment in the constitution are an interesting side note, but I want to win more elections." Number two is, they’re scared of their own shadow and they didn’t get the memo that the Republicans are grossly unpopular throughout the country, and that President Bush is the most unpopular President in the history of the United States. But if they didn’t get that memo, you got to question a couple of different things about their judgment. The third theory out there is that they’re complacent that people like Rockefeller signed off on some of these abuses and they get money from the lobbyists. So they don’t really want to rock the boat.
Senator Russ Feingold: Well my honest belief is that it’s the first two. I don’t really see it as having to do with political contributions. I don’t see it that they really want to cooperate with this stuff. I see it more as the first two things you said. Having to do with political fear, and, you know, calculations about elections to be honest with you. There are many areas that I think are grossly effected by money. I think it is less true of this, and it has more to do with political fear.
Thank you, Sen. Feingold. And every other elected official who stood tall when everyone else shrank back…
UPDATE: Amendments to the FISA bill are coming in fast and furious. The ACLU has some comments here. And they issued a letter to Senators urging them to reject the bill unless amended on a number of areas. I’m hearing that Cardin has a proposal for a shorter sunset, which is a great idea, and that Specter has submitted an amendment that looks good as well. More details as I get them…as always, call your Senators and urge them to stand up for civil liberties and the rule of law, and against telecom immunity.
The HJC hearing is in recess for a series of votes. Marcy will resume liveblogging once it gets underway again.
Related posts:
- Feingold: No Public Option “A Very Strong Reason Not To Support” A Health Care Bill
- Feingold Asks Sotomayor about Executive Power
- BREAKING: 30 Senate Democrats Stand Up for a Public Option
- Holder Refuses to Stand by Statements Saying Violating FISA Breaks the Law
- Hamsher on Maddow: Dear Arkansas Dems – Support Public Option or Be Primaried





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Feingold, and Christy!
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Yes, thanks to Senator Feingold, who has been such a champion of the Constitution. Must put him on my list to call today. I do call to give thanks, but somehow always prioritize calling up Senators that need a couple whacks upside the head as a reminder of what they should be doing.
Thank you Senator Feingold.
And Senators Dodd, Kennedy and Congressman Kucinich.
Jus Cogens!
Feingold!
I just don’t know how some of these “leaders” can live with themselves, their votes, and their choices. Must involve liberal applications of alcohol or some other type of substance.
I’ve been considering some liberal applications of alcohol myself this week. If it weren’t for the fact that The Peanut needs cheery and sober mommy, I might actually contemplate it a little more seriously. *g*
[dugg]
Christy, I hope everything is settling down healthwise in your family.
yeah, you know one might think that someone who was going to be a “Leader” (Obama) would stand against the criminal conduct of this regime…but in wanting to appeal to the low-information voters and “centrist” DLCrs he’s gone from leader to head sheep status.
Feingold 4 President.
We got a little good news this morning — they are moving my MIL out of the ICU today. Yay!
I hear that. Kids do bring out our better selves, thank god for that. Hang in there.
Good Morning so nice to hear that so sanity has returned
Getting ready to fly to Paris and wanted to know if I still have a 4th amendment
That’s good. It’s so hard to have a close relative in the hospital for anything. Double YaY!
Glad to hear it.
Christy,
Don’t know how you do all of this but, as always, thanks so much. This place is an oasis of sanity.
Great news about your MIL.
Oh I’m so glad to hear about your mother in law getting out of the ICU. (((((CHS family)))))
Great news. And you are a peach for doing what you do most especially under tough circumstances. AND then you have to listen to lying sacks of shit in Congress. Brave woman!
There are too few patriots and scholarly Americans in the government today (witness the Yoo Addington hearings). The spirit of public service is almost extinquished in this once-great nation. Senator Feingold and a few others, such as Chris Dodd, are shining examples of the legacy left to us by the founding fathers. Alas too few.
Thanks Sen. Feingold! Thanks for leadership!
Awesome!
I’m for that! I was pissed he didn’t run.
Amendments. They’ll be swatted away like flies. But they’ll give some cover to hypocrites.
No. But your second amendment rights remain absolutely intact.
Sherrod Brown talking about college costs on Senate floor at the moment…
Now Durbin is up talking about Medicare…
that’s wonderful– hoping for a speedy recovery!
So is it over for the moment .. hate to miss anything but also do not want to overprocess someones hair either, lol
you mean hypocrites like
Harry Reid
DiFi
Jello Jay
HRC
and the rest of their DLC ilk?
The number of patriots in the Senate has gone to about three, Dodd, Feingold and maybe Boxer and a few others who see a shooting down FISA as a “no harm no foul” thing to do because a “Hell No” vote won’t count against them in the fall.
Christy and firedogs -
saw something hinky in that vote yesterday – the so called 15 Senators who voted against it (with the exception of Menendez) are all highly ranked in seniority (in the top 50%).
really, what are the odds that only high ranking senators would oppose this monstrosity ?!?!?
looks to me like everyone but Finegold, Dodd, and Sanders were ‘assigned’ a vote. and from there I’m thinking that had they needed one of the 15 to vote ‘aye’, one of them would have
wrt to Menendez – he might have sneaked in under cover of the Schumer/Corzine axis, his time in the House may have counted towards seniority, or he was found to be the most vulnerable on this in his home state.
wish one of the smarter kidz would come along and disabuse me of this sense it is all so highly choreographed
I did take time last night to write my Senator and thank him for standing up also. If I can write him when he’s wrong I figured I owed him the same respect this time. I also wrote Obama and asked him why I should support a candidate that breaks his oath of office to support the Constitution. I won’t hold my breath for an answer.
Well, it could also be that those most senior of Democratic Senators (and including Kennedy and Byrd on the list for discussion), are also the Senators who most fully recognize how this harms the Constitution and reacted accordingly.
Herb Kohl is up talking about oil prices now…
I’m happy for that for you Christy.
It’s horrible having someone close in one of those places.
It’s all Kabuki… haven’t you figured that out yet? LOL!! The dance with the unseen actors moving the set who are seen and yet blithely ignored by the “audience”.
How appropriate an analogy is that really?
Talk about milk toast…
Thank you Russ.
Feingold is such a true Patriot and an authentic National Treasure. And it just amazes me how he has the rep for being a lefty radical. All he ever does is fight for and defend the Constitution. That rather says it all in itself. Thanks to Senator Feingold indeed. At least there’s ONE in there who never wavers, sticks to the Founder’s ideals.
*sigh*
great post!
and
dugg!
Stephen Hadley is at large on CSPAN-3 following up on Chimpo’s speech about lifting *some* sanctions on N.Korea, it seems.
agree, agree, agree.
just concerned I might be too wedded to the choreography scenario and am seeing it where I shouldn’t
that said, I repeat my question from above – how is it that only high ranking Senators opposed it – kinda difficult to get around that
I think it might have something to do with this, but more in the way of them not fearing GOP retribution. These senior Senators have been around long enough to understand that BushCo is on it’s way out and they feel free to vote to uphold our constitutional rights. The pressure that the GOP is putting on the rest of the congress is laughable, seeing as how the majority of them are going to lose their seats in November (fingers crossed). I just don’t thing that, in the heat of the moment, the foresight of some of the Jr. Senators, and the majority of Dems that voted for the cloture motion is allowing them to see that far ahead.
You may not be far off, sadly. It’s not beyong the scope of realistic imagining to think that these folks designed this vote based on Dem vulnerabilty in November in their respective districs, and potential fundraising/publicity issues leading up to November. With today’s politicians, nothing’s too far-fetched.
Please tell me you are including Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid in that dream.
There are seats reserved for them in The Hague, I think.
The disgrace of our current foreign policy is limitless, it seems.
Empty Armani suit,
far from Golden Gate,
gives up all.
Tap, tap, tap.
firedogs -
KrisAinCA @ 41 is middle son cbl –
makes a dfh mamma proud :D
And after Ensign finished speaking, we’re back to yet another quorum call in the Senate…
Full disclosure
Hey there middle son !
I’m in California, and will be voting against her in the fall. If she doesn’t move from the senate to the Hague, I’ll be happy to see her retire into a middle class neighborhood with low police presence so I can t.p. her house occasionally
believe he may be coming to us via his cell phone – could take a while for responses – been there, texted that :D
Marcy’s site is kinda slow. A lot slower than FDL. Its kinda hard to comment.
So, angie, how are you doing? Haven’t had a chance to say howdy to you life has been so crazy at my house.
Oh, and selise, I meant to tell you that The Peanut and I used some of the vanilla you sent me to make sugar cookies the other day. Delish!
Really? There’s no difference for me. What browser are you using? I wonder if there is a hitch in a browser interface?
Hello!
And as far as the cellphone usage goes… we got a new computer last night, so I’m good on that score. After a year without internet at home, I thought I might die.
Welcome to firedoglake KrisA! Hope to hear from you often.
I’m good thanks– I’d be loads happier if we had a functioning Democracy, though.
(but you probably know that!)
“Political fear”….they’re gonna experience some political payback…that’s what they should be worrying about. They live in D.C. cocktail party la la land…unbelievable.
maybe because it’s getting close to 300 comments?
congrats! so happy for (((all of you.)))
now be a good son and click on my name
Marcy has a fresh thread up for the hearing…
excellent!
Letter to Senator Clinton “I called your office today to question why you failed to vote on the
motion to end debate.
THEY DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS A VOTE.
Do you forget we are watching or do you no longer care if we give you support. Both you an Obama had the opportunity to stand up and be counted, but no you were too busy.
Kennedy and Byrd I can understand but the three candidates for President don’t care about the 4th amendment? Trust me I CARE”
Kerry up on the Senate floor now, as if in morning business…
Listening to the HJC hearing so just a drive by. I applaud Senator Feingold for what he has done. I condemn him for what he has not done. He has made it very clear that he is not going to use all the parliamentary maneuvers at his disposal to hinder and block the FISA bill. I am tired of Senators who make statements but refuse to act when and where action would mean something.
Kerry talking about human rights issues and Robert Mugabe.
So, cbl, I clicked on your name too, and read your blog post then scrolled down to the picture of “unmasked”. That is a truly creepy picture of the chimp.
cannot believe it has taken almost 8 years to see that – the stuff of nightmares
Dugg; glad to hear your mil is out of icu;my mum died last year of oral cancer -In the US alone, a person dies from oral cancer every hour of every day- so I have some idea of what you’re going thru and appreciate all your efforts.
I do wish someone would ask Senator Feingold why he decided not to run for President.
I’m still waiting to see Obama ‘fight to remove the immunity provisions’ from this bill.
Glad to see Kerry addressing Africa, at least Zimbabwe but there is a whole lot more going on in that continent we should be concerned with, such as the mining of the mineral necessary for cell phones and oil production nations.
Bob Casey now up talking about Afghanistan…
Grassley up discussing ethanol now…
Gee, Christy, it looks like the primary purpose of all these “speeches” is killing time.
Who cares about that ol’ 4th Amendment anyway. After all, if ya ain’t done nothin’ wrong, ya shouldn’t worry about hiding it right?
I think a lot of the discussion is going on off the floor. At least that’s what I’ve been hearing from staffers and from contacts who have been pushing back on civil liberties issues. The floor time fills the time while the real work gets strong-armed off the floor.
As I updated above, there have been a number of amendments filed for improvements to the bill. What is ongoing at this point is work to get people to sign on to the amendment and/or vote for them, and so on. And that has to be done person to person — it’s the way it has always been done in the Senate, anyway.
Don’t have any real idea on timing. I think cboldt’s estimate of about 4:30 pm ET or so is probably about right for some of the amendments to start being offered. But it’s only a guess because there is no firm scheduling that I know of as yet. I’ll update if I hear anything differently on this…
And we’re back to a quorum call again…
If my understand is correct -cboldt are u there?- if an amendment IS passed re HR6304, the bill then must go back to the House. so would the ‘backroom’ discussions also be including Pelosi, Hoyer, et al?
I think they could take it to conference rather than putting it back for a full vote, depending on the issues involved. Then it would be a tussle to see who the conferees on either side might be as to what would ultimately come out as the final bill.
“7 Republican senators block Bush’s bill to fight AIDS in Africa” – “In a letter to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., the seven senators — Coburn, Jim DeMint of South Carolina, Richard Burr of North Carolina, Jim Bunning of Kentucky, Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, Jeff Sessions of Alabama and David Vitter of Louisiana — criticized the bills’ increased spending over the next five years from $15 billion to $50 billion, the expansion of AIDS funding to countries such as China and India and the inclusion of funding for agricultural-assistance and poverty-alleviation programs.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/hom…..42210.html
And Lisa Murkowski now up discussing salmon canneries and assorted other bits…
Ahhhh, I see, it’s Alaska statehood speech time. You go to make yourself a bowl of fresh fruit and yogurt, and you miss the topical intro…so I give you Lisa Murkowski vouching the Senate Record for her state constituents.
Glad to hear it. Christy, thanks for all you do. 8>)
Darkest before the dawn?
And now Ted Stevens is up to blah-bity-blah about Alaska statehood. Oh, frabtaculat toobz, allowing me to witness this.
I admire you, selise, and I am sure there are others’ consistent stand for principles. A question I have is what would be the consequence for Feingold among his colleagues who are overwhelming in favor if he did do everything possible to oppose this “monstrosity of a bill?”
Tangled up toobz!
– If my understand is correct -cboldt are u there?- if an amendment IS passed re HR6304, the bill then must go back to the House. so would the ‘backroom’ discussions also be including Pelosi, Hoyer, et al? –
You are correct. If it’s amended,the House has to concur, or offer an alternative. There’s no obligation to conference. Lots of bills ping-pong between the two bodies.
This won’t be amended. Here is Reid, yesterday:
– I think cboldt’s estimate of about 4:30 pm ET or so is probably about right for some of the amendments to start being offered. –
I arrived at that time by adding 30 hours to the time that the cloture vote SHOULD have been conducted. IOW, Dodd and Feingold won’t hold the Senate to 30 hours from the time cloture was actually voted, which was 6:30 p.m. yesterday. 30 hours from then is midnight tonight.
btw, Tula has a great post for us on the Employee Free Choice Act that deserves a read, when folks get a chance. I know we are juggling a lot at once today…it’s been that kind of week.
“A progressive for our times”; “If he were a candidate in the 2008 presidential election, Richard M. Nixon would be more progressive than either the Republican or Democratic nominees.”
http://www.scholarsandrogues.c…..#more-2318
– I think they could take it to conference rather than putting it back for a full vote –
Conference is just a place to hash out differences out of sight. Whatever emerges from conference still has to be passed in open votes by both chambers. IOW, if they do a conference, they still have to do a full vote. Conference is not a substitute for full vote.
FWIW, there is a rumor floating again that there may be a postponement of the vote. But I have not — I stress NOT — been able to confirm anything on that. Again, will let folks know if I ever get anything firm on any of this. It’s been a long day on the phone…
FWIW, Roll Call is reporting (subs. req.) that Durbin says a delay on FISA may occur. Have been hearing all day about efforts that Feingold is making on this — threatening to filibuster is slowing this down to amend offending provisions. He really deserves a huge thank you for all of his behind-the-scenes work on this.
But I have not been able to independently confirm any official decision to delay, so until I do, I’m operating on things will go forward footing…
Rham not yielding the floor tearing the Repubs a new one
– FWIW, there is a rumor floating again that there may be a postponement of the vote. –
There’s never been a rules-based time for voting on passage anyway, or for voting on any amendment. The only rules-based event is moving the bill from “not pending” to “pending.” That will happen sometime before midnight.
At the moment it’s made pending, the majority leader will make a UC request. We’ll get an idea of how much resistance there is from that UC request, and the response to it.
Given the expiration of the Patriot Act timetable, you are probably correct as no one wants to vote on extending that; BUT I do wonder about adding to the bill the requirement that the Court rule on the legality of the TSP; somehow I think the House would go along with that addition.
Everything is really in flux at the moment, truly — I haven’t been able to get a firm answer to any question I’ve had all day. What a headache. *g*
Now, Mike Crap of Idaho is kissing up on Alaskan statehood. It is a festival of Alaska on the Senate floor…
I won’t be surprised either way, if the bill is voted before Sunday or if it is deferred to after the recess.
In their heart of hearts, I don’t think the administration cares. As long as the bill passes before August. If the DEMs want to “show spine” by delaying passage thought the recess, the GOP will go along with the puffery — and might even help the image by mounting a shrill complaint.
– BUT I do wonder about adding to the bill the requirement that the Court rule on the legality of the TSP; somehow I think the House would go along with that addition. –
I don’t think so. Even the Specter amendment is a charade. He sets up something that looks like empowering the court to rule on TSP as against FISA, but in fact, it isn’t that at all. It empowers the court to do just what the administration wants – render a ruling that the TSP was “lawful” in the sense of “not unconstitutional.”
Anything that effectively risks exposing a breach of FISA will be rejected by the House. I can’t explain “why,” but their actions are a clear tell that they are carrying the administration’s water on this.
– It is a festival of Alaska on the Senate floor –
There’s a UC agreement for 1:30 – 2:15, under Murkowski’s control. The UC agreement was entered into yesterday.
Warner is stepping on Murkowski’s time now, by diverting to FISA.
I watch the Senate alot. Everything they work on “this is the most important thing in my entire [fill in the blank] years in the Senate.” It’s a throwaway line.
Warner on the Senate floor talking about how great McConnell and Hayden and other intel professionals are. And gosh, isn’t Kit Bond swell.
– I haven’t been able to get a firm answer to any question I’ve had all day. –
I think that’s because they honestly don’t and can’t know. The options are infinitely variable. But within those options, there are only half a dozen or so patterns.
- full agreement, easy passage
- stonewall one contentious amendment (see Ensign on Housing)
- deny the power to amend, force a vote on “take it or leave it”
- have competing contentious amendments, each with 60 vote hurdles
- “do the cloture dance” for effect
- negotiate a schedule of amendments, debate and votes in any combination
Christy, as always your close attention to this is deeply appreciated. You go above and beyond.
Russ Feingold didn’t hit my radar until his sole vote against the (then shocking) patriot act. Clearly brilliant and a man of true conviction.
A look at his financial statements convinced me he’s an honest man :-). One of the few critters whose financial statements indicate that he doesn’t run with the big dogs – moderate credit card debt and home mortgages – just like constituents with houses and kids to educate.
He’s beautifully educated (Rhodes scholar if memory serves) and started his career with a fine regional law firm. No doubt he could be a rich man if he’d so chosen. Definitely one of those elusive better democrats.
How I wish he would have spoken about our human rights and our
dictatorPresident.Warner arguing for ‘trust the government’ is amazing given he’s a Republican; and none of those speaking about citizen’s not being prevented from suing by HR6304 is so disingenous as to be laughable. NO mention of ’state secrets’ or ’standing’ by proving ahead of time harm done or the difference between civil and criminal findings of ‘guilt/culpability’.
And yet they think this is more important than helping poor people get health care.
Heh – the House is adjourning at the end of today – that augurs for “no amendment will pass in the Senate” … or else this is deferred to after recess.
If an amendment is passable, Reid won’t hold the Senate in session through the weekend. I wouldn’t speed up complete passage anyway, so why tinker with the recess.
“Obama Does Not Support Return Of Fairness Doctrine”
http://www.mediachannel.org/wo…..-doctrine/
Jane’s a couple three flights up with Bob Barr
Feingold – one real liberal senator. The rest of the dems? spineless jellyfish. Worthless blood-suckers.
sigh…
sigh indeed. just on the merits of where he has stood in these dark times, and that he stood firm and unwaveringly, i’d been urging Feingold ‘08 on my site.
nobody has been a greater defender of what the party is supposed to stand for — in fact nobody has been better, PERIOD — than Russ. i know he’s not Mr. Charisma or anything, but vote-by-vote, there is no better representative of the people in the U.S.
back when I lived in New York and my senators were persistent dicks, I used to write him on policy and draconian “national security” matters as if my own senator, because it seemed he was a lonely voice still speaking for us.
Feingold is my Frank Capra real life hero!
I called Feingold’s office to thank him for his efforts. The guy answering said that Feingold “has not made a statement” whether he was going to filibuster or not. I thanked him and said if he does, to please bring up the connection between illegal wiretapping and the Nixon Administration and Martin Luther King, Jr.
Christy, thank you for your efforts, as well. Wishing good health to you and yours.