Twenty years ago the eminent climate scientist Dr. James Hansen, head of NASA’s Goddard Institute, told Congress about the fact of global warming: he urged them to act. Yesterday James Hansen told Congress about the fact and the consequences of global warming. Again, he urged them to act. Hansen also stated that fossil fuel "CEO’s should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature".
Special interests have blocked transition to our renewable energy future. Instead of moving heavily into renewable energies, fossil companies choose to spread doubt about global warming, as tobacco companies discredited the smoking-cancer link. Methods are sophisticated, including funding to help shape school textbook discussions of global warming.
CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual. In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature.
Conviction of ExxonMobil and Peabody Coal CEOs will be no consolation, if we pass on a runaway climate to our children. Humanity would be impoverished by ravages of continually shifting shorelines and intensification of regional climate extremes. Loss of countless species would leave a more desolate planet.
If politicians remain at loggerheads, citizens must lead. We must demand a moratorium on new coal-fired power plants. We must block fossil fuel interests who aim to squeeze every last drop of oil from public lands, off-shore, and wilderness areas. Those last drops are no solution. They yield continued exorbitant profits for a short-sighted self-serving industry, but no alleviation of our addiction or long-term energy source.
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Washington likes to spend our tax money line-by-line. Swarms of high-priced lobbyists in alligator shoes help Congress decide where to spend, and in turn the lobbyists’ clients provide "campaign" money.
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The fossil-industry maintains its strangle-hold on Washington via demagoguery, using China and other developing nations as scapegoats to rationalize inaction.
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Democracy works, but sometimes churns slowly. Time is short. The 2008 election is critical for the planet. If Americans turn out to pasture the most brontosaurian Congressmen, if Washington adapts to address climate change, our children and grandchildren can still hold great expectations.
As many FDL readers know, the Bushies and the megacorps they serve fear science: independent empirical inquiry puts the lie to the propaganda Big Carbon, Big Chemical, Big Ag and the like use to jusitify killing off the living world for dead quarterly profits. Hansen scared the Bush/Cheney crowd so much they tried to defeat him with one of the weapons they deployed against Iraq’s people: a green Bushie in his twenties whose sole "qualification" was having worked for them in the Bush/Cheney campaign.
Just as in Iraq, the power grab blew up in Bush’s face.
The Bushies’ weapon — a twenty-four year old Texas A&M dropout named George Deutsch — went from the Bush/Cheney campaign "war room" to NASA, where he followed orders handed down from the White House Council on Environmental Quality. The Bushies picked Phillip Cooney – a former American Petroleum Institute lobbyist – to head the CEQ. After MSM belatedly outed Cooney, he resiged two days later "to spend more time with his family". Immediately after his resignation, Cooney also found time to sign on with Exxon/Mobil’s propaganda public affairs department. The Bush/Cheney White House went on to help Big Carbon by appointing "a former lobbyist for utilities, mining, chemical, and other industrial polluters" James Connaughton as CEQ chair. In his book Censoring Science, Mark Bowen revealed that when George Deutsch censored Hansen’s work, he acted on Connaughton’s instructions.
What we don’t know — or willfully choose to conceal — can not only hurt us, but kill us.
Every day, the Bushies’ catastrophic ignorance of history brings destruction to Iraq’s people and our economy. The Bushies’ ignorance blew up in their faces, too. When Bush I tried to censor Hansen in 1989, Senator Al Gore made sure Hansen had a chance to tell Congress what he knew about climate change and the GOP’s attempt to serve Big Carbon by squelching Hansen.
In 1989 and today in 2008, the GOP’s attempt to silence Dr. Hansen only brought greater attention to his prescient work on global warming.
What does Dr. Hansen have to say?
The shocking conclusion, documented in a paper I have written with several of the world’s leading climate experts, is that the safe level of atmospheric carbon dioxide is no more than 350 ppm (parts per million), and it may be less. Carbon dioxide amount is already 385 ppm and rising about 2 ppm per year. Shocking corollary: the oft-stated goal to keep global warming less than two degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) is a recipe for global disaster, not salvation.
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The consequences of continued increase of greenhouse gases extend far beyond extermination of species and future sea level rise.
Arid subtropical climate zones are expanding poleward. Already an average expansion of about 250 miles has occurred, affecting the southern United States, the Mediterranean region, Australia and southern Africa. Forest fires and drying-up of lakes will increase further unless carbon dioxide growth is halted and reversed.
Mountain glaciers are the source of fresh water for hundreds of millions of people. These glaciers are receding world-wide, in the Himalayas, Andes and Rocky Mountains. They will disappear, leaving their rivers as trickles in late summer and fall, unless the growth of carbon dioxide is reversed.
Coral reefs, the rainforest of the ocean, are home to one-third of the species in the sea. Coral reefs are under stress for several reasons, including warming of the ocean, but especially because of ocean acidification, a direct effect of added carbon dioxide. Ocean life dependent on carbonate shells and skeletons is threatened by dissolution as the ocean becomes more acid.
Such phenomena, including the instability of Arctic sea ice and the great ice sheets at today’s carbon dioxide amount, show that we have already gone too far. We must draw down atmospheric carbon dioxide to preserve the planet we know. A level of no more than 350 ppm is still feasible, with the help of reforestation and improved agricultural practices, but just barely – time is running out.
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A price on emissions that cause harm is essential. Yes, a carbon tax. Carbon tax with 100 percent dividend is needed to wean us off fossil fuel addiction. Tax and dividend allows the marketplace, not politicians, to make investment decisions.
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The public must send a message to Washington. Preserve our planet, creation, for our children and grandchildren, but do not use that as an excuse for more tax-and-spend. Let this be our motto: "One hundred percent dividend or fight! No more alligator shoes!"
Oh — and this.
In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature. If their campaigns continue and "succeed" in confusing the public, I anticipate testifying against relevant CEOs in future public trials.
Thanks to Dr. Hansen and thousands of other honest scientists around the world, we know what to do. For twenty years, we’ve known about the problem. We can all be part of the solution, and part of the changes required to preserve our living world in a form that will support the wonderful diversity it supports — including our children and their children. Part our work is to support the 100% carbon tax and whenever possible, shrink our personal carbon footprints. Part of our work is to shut the climate change deniers out of mainstream discussion — in precisely the fashion civilized people now shut Holocaust deniers out of mainstream discussion and mainstream media.
And in our spare time, we may want to stock up on some (carbon neutral) munchies for the climate deniers’ trials. Looks like Dr. Hansen will make things very hot in the courtroom.



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Were the myriad externalities of fossil fuels honestly accounted for, non-carbon alternatives would be more than price-competitive right now.
typo
eminent climate SCIENTIST
Thanks Dr. Murphy, you are a great gift to FDL.
digg
I think we may have past the tipping point in the sense that the momentum of this society is too large to nudge in a different direction. We are heading for a slo mo crash which when it comes will be nastier than the weather anomalies we are seeing today.
We need some very drastic re do’s and NOW… and our leaders are lolly gogging about and Imhoff doesn’t even believe the science. Ouy
Kirk!
As soon as we change the political landscape and start exposing the media and their darlings for the death merchants they are, maybe we can wrap our heads around the fact that we are not only killing ourselves but dooming future generations.
I blame the media, Clinton is a Johnny Come Lately.
BobbyG, you are so right – esp considering that the Pentagon is estimated to consume up to 40% of our fossil fuel use….much of it used to go
conquersecure more fossil fuels. Just figuring thewardefense subisides for fossil fuels into their cost shows renewable sources are cheaper.SanderO, you are right, also: fixed my
tupotypo.BooRadley, thanks for your very generous assessment (I thought the house was overheating, but that was just me blushing) and the digg. I’m hoping this post gets a lot of diggs: I’d like to see Dr. Hansen’s prescription for the Big Carbon CEO’s get the widest possible attention.
James Lovelock speculates that humanity is on a course toward “decimation” – a ~90% reduction, to less than a billion survivors.
this sounds correct to me,Billions will suffer,and are suffering
- Defense % devoted to defending oil states and distribution lines;
- Adverse health effects;
- Adverse environmental impacts more generally.
Non-carbon alternatives would have effectively none of these liabilities.
Gotta run to the nursing home and sit with Ma. Later.
ok im being censored…why?
Have we yet reached critical mass that these people are criminals? All this on same day with the DOJ, the illegal FISA provisions, torture, phony war justification, and, and, and….Where are the prophets for truth and those to enforce accountability beyond the lone voice from Ohio. Please.
I keep thinking we reached that point but it keeps on getting worse.
o/t but this headline is just so wrong
Whaling body opens door to partial lifting of ban
painful syntax.
Great post Kirk. wow. I think we ought to let oil companies just continue to take care of us. They have all the answers. /s
Busted, I’m hopeful that we needn’t wait for the exposure of our media’s complicity (and lethal effects) to see widespread changes in public opinion and behavior.
As Ian pointed out in the previous post, our economy seems to be headed for a prolonged slump. This is a genuine tragedy — and a lethal one — for low-income Americans. Part of our national transition to a post-carbon economy will require subsidies to ensure low-income (and middle income) folks will have the neccessities required to eat, heat, have a roof, and have transport.
Our MSM depend on creation of demand for the unnecessary (aka advertising) to keep their revenue stram going. That same “created” demand contibutes to America’s production of global warming gases. (CO2 and other gases). IIRC, the consumer sector in the US takes up 70% of an economy for which we can no longer afford the fossil fuel imports.
Moreover, reliable surveys repeatedly demonstrate that even AMericans no longer believe more stuff brings more hapiness. That’s why ads have to get more intrusive every year: people are more and more resistant to the message “go buy stuff” – and that was even before our economy tanked.
Where can our bankrupt nation find the capital required to create a carbon-neutral economy? Well, we can start with the energy/chemical sector: incredibly wealthy, and wholly complicit in the lethal deceit Dr. Hansen described. Bye, bye, assets.
Next sources of funds: Big Insurance (including health “insurance”): more systematic fraud with lethal outcoomes. RICO, anyone? Bye-bye, assets.
Next: Big Pharma (pervasive fraud/misrepresnation) and Big War (same).
What will drive the use of Federal law and regulation to confiscate corporate assets? Our bankrupt Federal government, armed with the Draconian powers the Bushies thought would be theirs.
Twenty years ago the legal actions that effectively curtailed Big Tobacco were almost beyond imaginging. Ten years ago doing the same to Big Carbon was seen – if at all – as a delusion fit only for the EarthFirst! Journal.
We’re closer to the solution than we think. Restoration of public control over our public airways will be a part of that solution.
And – so long as rememember to make support for poor and middle income Americans the core of the changes – getting to the soltuon will be a gas.
So to speak.
the planet will breathe a sigh of relief I think
Good on you, BobbyG.
Yes.
Indeed, you do not have to shoot anyone to put the….
Solar Grand Plan in place.
Nor do you have to commit genocide to:
generate power this way
And hell if’n they’s smart enough in TexAss to do:
this here………….
I reckon it could be done in other places. Yet, week in and week out, year in and year out nothing is done. While you folks elect assholes who are responsible for this I nominate the entire Democratic Party. ‘Cause if, if that is, Obama is elected exactly zero will be done about this. Why?
Because there is a total blackout of The Solar Grand Plan and similar projects already under construction. 99% of the populace has no idea that they could be driving zero emission electric cars to work and play.
It’s all stupid bullshit like ‘high-speed rail…’ in CA and ‘Ahnuld’s hydrogen car…’ for 420 billion dollars the Solar Grand Plan will provide 90% of the nation’s total energy requirements and 100% of it’s electrical, assuming everyone converts to electric, by 2050.
Don’t believe me?
Clik the link, read and then ask yourself?
How do I get the Congress and our Dem ‘LeaderSheep’ off their ass and get this built?
I do think $10.00/gal gas will do the trick.
the whale population hasnt ever recovered this just sux bigtime
We could ignore the oil companies
Well now Oshkosh Truck Corporation (OSK) has designed a truck using Diesel Electric Hybrid technology that increases fuel efficiency 20% over the truck it replaces. The HEMTT A3 truck is being built for the military, which is pretty demanding about reliability and performance.
Oshkosh says the truck is production ready. The truck has a 400 HP Cummins ISL Diesel Engine with a 305 KW electric generator. The generator charges a 1.5 MJ ultra-capacitor. The capacitor feeds power directly to electric motors mounted on the wheels. The vehicle can work off-road, climb a 60% grade, and achieve 65 mph on secondary roads. The truck weights 3000 pounds less than its conventional predecessor, but still can carry a 13 ton load.
http://seekingalpha.com/articl…..ster-truck
we have calculated the range to be about 120miles.
With the Plug-in Electric Hybrid version of the Aptera(typ-1h) the mileage of the vehicle is difficult to describe with one number. For example, the Typ-1h can drive 40 to 60 miles on electric power alone. Perhaps for such a trip, the engine may only be duty-cycled for a few seconds or minutes. This would produce a fantastic number, an incredible number that, though factually true, would have no useful context, i.e. it’s just a point on a graph.
An asymptotic decaying exponential is an accurate way to describe the fuel mileage of the Typ-1h. For example driving say, 50 miles, one might calculate a MPG number that’s 2 or 3 times higher, say, 1000 MPG. As battery energy is depleted, the frequency of the engine duty cycle is increased. More fuel is used. at 75 miles, the MPG might be closer to 400 MPG. Again, we’re using battery energy mostly, but turning the engine on more and more. Just over 100 miles we’re just over 300 MPG, and just beyond 120 miles, we’re around 300 MPG.
http://www.aptera.com/details.php
We do have choices and all our choices together can effect global warming.
I am not so sure about Obama fixing things now.
And at l8: I am hoping, should I say praying, that your optimism is to be a reality. Some of us have been pretty horrified at this bunch since the beginning: Just recall Molly Ivins then the Florida fiasco. At last others are catching on. How can folks still be tuned out of this mess. Cheers for your clarity.
doesn’t it! It’s a disgrace
American Petroleum Institute
Isn’t that the outfit that I’ve bitched about here before, which is presently running a commercial – *everywhere* – day and night (must cost a freakin’ fortune) – which touts that North America has enough oil and natural gas to supply all of our needs for the next sixty years?
If so, then I may have to send ‘em a bill when a shoe ends up flying through my teevee screen.
Most excellent post, Dr Murphy.
If we can manage to gain meaningful control of our government we can put the military on short petro rations and under no-invasion orders. If Congress has the will to do so. Getting the public to stop buying gas on credit and stop buying crap like bottled water will be harder. And those are just the tip of the iceberg.
Across the bay in Tampa the mayor is upset that the Tampa City Council voted to eliminate purchases of bottle water for the city. They spend $31K per year on that crap. Mayor Pam Iorio must indeed luv her some bottled tap water. Miami has already done this. One step at a time, but at least it’s a step forward, not the typical Bu’ush step backward.
Dugg
Announced today that 300 square miles of the Everglades will be restored. I think that is such good news. I have never seen the Everglades but have always been interested in that disappearing treasure. Just a happy note for the day.
yes. a disgrace and a great evil. whales are clearly sentient beings. destroying them and the culture each cetacean species has created is unspeakable. may all the whaling vessels sink at the moorings with the crew safe.
failing that, may rogue waves and typhoons take all the commerical whalers to the bottom.
(exception here for indigenous whalers feedig native communities in traditional ways)
Thanks neuro for the digg! I’m hoping to see Dr. Hansen’s observations on criminal trials for the Fossil Fuel CEO’s get the widest possible attention.
As Christy has noted, getting 30 diggs can help launch a post on the net. If all reading could digg, I’d be most grateful.
D: The syntax is sooo bad it took me awhile to even get the meaning. Yuk. Odd the story needed to be written with such a choice of words: “whaling body.” Someone surely must have thought that was “cute”, I guess.
just answered my own question. Not exactly – the commercial is put forward by an outfit called EnergyTomorrow.Org.
Their website though, shows them to either actually *be* API, or at least a front company propagating API talking points.
Just saw *two* of their commercials on the same break on Hardballs.
From their website:
API is the only national trade association that represents all aspects of America’s oil and natural gas industry. Our 400 corporate members, from the largest major oil company to the smallest of independents, come from all segments of the industry.
(snip)
We speak for the petroleum industry to the public, Congress and the Executive Branch, state governments and the media. We negotiate with regulatory agencies, represent the industry in legal proceedings, participate in coalitions and work in partnership with other associations to achieve our members public policy goals.
A shell shill?
dugg your excellent post, doc. the rest of america needs to know about this instead of that forking american petroleum institute ad
SD and Twain, I’m glad that today we have good news from Florida. W00t!
What other good news about decreasing our carbon footprints do our readers have? For readers who have yet to comment, please let us know what’s happening in your neck of the warming woods to decrease crabon gases.
Oh – and if anyone want’s to share carbon footprint calculators, that would be great!
Ayn Rand wrote, and most people continue to believe her, that entrepreneurs make our society work. The truth is they are killers, both of the planet and of individuals who threaten their prestige. We not only have global warming, we have had asbestos, dalcon shields, all kinds of pollution,the list is almost endless, and no CEO has been held responsible. They take advantage of a widespread psychosis; that humans, created in God’s image, are so special, nothing they do matters. It is also widely believed God will not allow us to go down the tubes, an assumption that gets more questionable with every passing day.
Thanks suz!
ANd jayt, thanks for outing the front group energytomorrow.org: you learned us!
When I’m checking out frontgroups (aka “astroturf”) I also rely on sourcewatch.org. They rawk.
oh yeah (he said while quoting himself for the 2d time) – here’s the link for “EnergyTomorrow.org.”
http://www.energytomorrow.org/Default.aspx
I done dugg it fer ya too Bud.
ekunin, I’m hopeful (and public surveys show) the majority of Americans actually reject Rand’s brutal rantings: they certainly reject the selfishness and cruelty her “vision” inflicts. I sure agree with you about hte letahl consequnces of placing profit ahead of all other goals.
And as you point out, we humans aren’t guaranteed survival: nature bats last.
Busted and jayt, thank you!
ACitizen, thanks so much for sharing the linky to the SciAm solar grand plan article. You learned us!
Hey, for people who want to know about stuff they can do, check out http://www.hivethrive.com. They have something up every weekday. It’s stuff for both individuals and communities to work on together. Excellent site.
Dugg too.
There’s a lot of work yet to be done. US Sugar will continue to grow sugar for 6 more years. The Army Corps of Engineers destroyed the natural ecosystem of the Everglades and their plan to restore it has some serious flaws. The good thing is the tree huggers know what needs to be done and are going to hammer the Corps so they do it right. The main problem is cleaning the water that will flow into the Sea of Grass of all the phosphates and other junk before it enters the ecosystem. I’ve been fighting big sugar here for 20 years and it’s been like beating my head against the wall the whole time. But this is great news indeed. My solutions were much less company friendly.
That psychosis, however, is often called hubris, and, as we know, is often very dangerous. I think one of the greatest points at play in the current gamble is that certainly there is nothing that preordains the US to be the monolithic superpower, police of the world, the unilateral referee, judge…you get the point. We may have seriously overplayed our hand. Some of the warnings are even more stark, in addition to all the current debacles, on the education front when we are seriously falling behind on how we are education and graduating (or not) the young people. Our GI bill needs to start in Kindergarten at this point.
I love the idea of solar, but “the Solar Grand Plan will provide 90% of the nation’s total energy requirements and 100% of it’s electrical, assuming everyone converts to electric, by 2050.”?
Did you even read your own link? At the top, it has a summary box that says this:
By all means, keep pushing for greater use of solar energy. But you don’t help your case by overstating things — especially when you also provide the evidence to refute yourself.
There was a great PBS piece this week on the trash and contamination that is still hanging around, or floating, in NO post-Katrina. I know we have a record of forgetting about “those people” because they’re Black or poor or corrupt or Democratic. But what important ecology and land that area has been; it has also been sorely polluted for a long time because of the oil and other crap that floats down the Mississippi. Now, with the Katrina garbage tonnage, just more waste to be ignored.
I haven’t seen those surveys. Money still talks. Hopefully with the Internet we may be able to pull something off, but we are in all sorts of dire straits and not many are interested in anything other than business as usual. I, for example, see capitalism as the culprit. We will not be able to correct much as long as we have hierarchical societies. That may be too large a step for you to take. You might ask yourself why.
lokywoky, thanks for the info and the digg!
SD, thanks for your work on behalf of the river of grass. I’m glad you nad the tree-huggers are there to keep the Corps honest.
and RevBev, thanks so much for alerting us all to the contamiation adding to the Katrina survivors misery and danger.
Thanks Kirk for the really good post! We had drifted into this same discussion on late late nigh and I linked to some possibilities for the average person to become a little more carbon neutral. One of the links leads to http://www.freesolar2008.com/ where for qualified homeowners they will put in a solar system and turn your meter backwards. Anther one is http://www.solarcity.com/.
Check them out I am sure there will be more as the Solar technology is HERE already and with the right incentives this country will not need any more centralized generation facilities… The possibilities are here we just need the right leadership to make it happen.
Hey Pups don’t forget to Digg this fine post for Dr Murphy and the Lake. Jane would be proud and grateful for the support:>)
America should be more afraid of Global Warming than politically-motivated threats of “terra”…the stakes are so much more grave. Hansen’s comments are chilling.
Late to the party. Thanks for a wonderful post, Doc.
Mr.Cbl
from your keyboard to God’s ears
OT: Dodd up in the Senate on CSPAN, speaking against FISA right now!
The Rethugs are much better at scaring folks with the boogeyman than they are with dealing with reality. Particularly when the boogeyman meme makes ‘em rich.
Wealth isn’t earned, it’s sucked out of your pocket by a humungous Hoover called capitalism.
LOL…so true.
Dodd is never off topic when he is fighting for our Constitution!!!
and I liked this a lot:
“there is nothing that preordains the US to be the monolithic superpower, police of the world”
Thank you. I’m glad. Not the sort of thing many want to hear.
ding!
Truthout is saying that Feingold will filibuster.
nahant and cbl2, thanks!
and here’s some good news about bringing down the price for home solar. i hope to see their model spread.
Dodd is a great Senator… he has always stood up for the rule of Law and the Constitution!! He dam well rocks.
Feingold is saying that Feingold and Dodd will filibuster (emphasis added):
Dodd is throwing Regan down the rethuglians throat using Regan’s own words … good for him:>)
What exciting developments + Dodd: So where oH where is Obama? We’ll see.
Dodd quoting Ronnie Ray-gun on “not trusting gov’ment”. Good to bring St. Ronnie into it, but doubt it will turn on any light bulb over the heads of the borg Neocons.
The object of the Rethug Party is not to educate the children of the US, only their own spawn. The current policy (I won’t call it education policy) is not to educate our children to be productive citizens, it’s to train potential low-wage workers to compete with the low-wage/slave workers they now use in other countries. A race to the bottom. That way they can increase their profits by eventually shifting manufacturing back here but cut down the shipping costs. Economic conditions similar to the Great Depression just might make that feasible. Sometimes I think we’re living the prequel to Soylent Green.
AVANDIA
i liked it, too, fractal. a lot. good on RevBev
and good on Feingold and Dodd.
Where’s Obama? On FISA…and renewable energy.
What good news to see some fight and could be a great election issue. Maybe we can all wake up.
Here is a link to a carbon footprint calculator – it’s a reputable site that also allows you to donate for enough trees to offset yours for a year. The ones I ‘purchased’ were planted in the Himalayas – where forests have been devastated for fuel for cooking fires. This project educated the people, and is working with them to teach them how to use the wood from the new trees in such a way they keep growing and to find new ways of doing things.
http://www.americanforests.org/campaigns/shaklee/
thanks, lokywoky!
You must be right because they have done everything to destoy our educational system; then alot of “them” still blame busing. There is, however, some decent pushback. Education is Gates’ number one issue and he has some strong allies. Another place, maybe, they have overplayed their hand.
Is this guy gonna wait until the time is just right and make a grandstand play on the Senate floor or some shit like that? He could break one off in Reid’s ass right now by saying he’ll join a filibuster.
jes’ tryin’ ta do mah part!
Somebody needs to post Dodd’s incredible speech that is on right now. He is a frikkin’ hero.
Kirk, forgot to say thank you for the post. You do such excellent work that informs us all.
she was a very disturbed individual to put it mildy,Narcisstic personality disorder methinks…..they do so very much damage
Kinda makes up for last weeks disappointment… I just think Dodd is a major part of the solution to this freaking mess that we find ourselves because of Bush and Cheney.
Impeach each and every one of them.
So where oH where is Obama?
Look at Claire McCaskill, major Obama supporter (does she have an official role in the Obama campaign?). She is in favor of passage of the odious FISA bill – I doubt that Obama is far behind – no matter what he actually says, or how he eventually votes.
He could. I suspect that his campaign figures the MSM will spin it into BS, and we’ll soon be under Preszdeinet McBush.
greenpeace must be funded again,and ENCOURAGED
Pelosi, Hoyer, and Reid are our biggest problems.
I couldn’t agree more. The public schools under NCLB are reduced to endless rote memorization and regurgitation. All classes that required creative thinking, critical thinking, and conceptual exploration have been discarded and all we have left is stuff that a robot would be better suited for.
Part of my emails to Obama was for him to join Dodd. Wouldn’t it be great if he is in the lineup?
Is this guy gonna wait until the time is just right and make a grandstand play on the Senate floor or some shit like that? He could break one off in Reid’s ass right now by saying he’ll join a filibuster.
okay, now I’m *really* rooting for Obama to step up.
Ta hell with Harry!!
Jeb damn near succeeded here but folks rebelled. F-CAT is the biggest scam ever in Florida education. And a bunch of neocon school District Superintendents helped him every inch of the way. Our very own just resigned before the end of his contract and wanted a golden parachute. Our kowtowing school board is still “discussing the issue.” The local school board is my next target.
Twain, thank you. For me, all of us coming together to share our info, experience, and corections (*g*) is the work at FLD that does most to inform us. I’m glad for the chance to join you and all the others in our community in that work.
And if anyone hasn’t yet dugg, this would be a great time. Thanks!
I got a fundraising email from the DSCC this morning. I replied to it in large, red print and told them I would not be supporting ANY of the senators unless they voted against FISA. And that especially included OBAMA and HRC!
I printed the 4th Amendment, 3 to a page, and am sending those back in the paid envelopes.
more on climate and whales
http://www.news.com.au/perthno…..61,00.html
likely to be repeated upstairs, Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) is filibustering FISA by invoking 30 hours of debate on the foreclosure relief and homeowner protection bill he and Senator Shelby (D-AL) have co-sponsored. Shelby is now up promoting the reforms of the Govt-Sponsored Enterprises (GSEs) in the same bill, meaning Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which have five trillion (TRILLION) dollars in debt. Sounds like we need at least NINETY hours of debate on this deal . . . .
Shelby just said “a lender might want to take a haircut, we don’t need four or five foreclosures in a neighborhood, we’re trying to regulate the GSEs, you could debate this for thirty hours … [please, God, DEBATE this mo-fo housing bill]
oh pass the popcorn,and Stoli
Yep. and the seashepherd society has been right at the front in defending whales. If I had to choose just one for whale protection, I’d donate to Sea Shepherd.
Yes! we all have to remember that the problem with the neo-cons is not just with the federal government. We have to keep an eye on the state and local governments and smaller boards, agencies and entities as well.
They didn’t take over just by getting Bush elected. They started at the bottom and took over school boards, and services districts, and city councils and county boards, and then the state houses before they went up the ladder.
Everyone needs about 10 pairs of eyes looking everywhere and being ready to fight them everywhere. It’s exhausting, but if we want our country back – it will have to be that way.
And this holds true for both the politics and the environment as we have been discussing here. Start at the bottom – its easier and they work upwards. Small actions lead to big results.
will do,seems the gov of Chiloe is pulling its weight too…thank heavens
hahahahaha Chile
This is great. I was just wondering what some of the strategy or steps may be. Last night it was looking pretty grim here.
Hopefully they can call for debates on any number of pieces of legislation and stall, stall, stall. The longer they stall, the more time we have to get a huge organized petition drive, phone call bomb or whatever to help stop this thing!
Ms. Laura has GRITtv upstairs!
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I get calls from DCCC and DSCC and what they get is an earful. I lay it out, chapter and verse. Very polite but firm and simply stated. I don’t have time for fools or ideologues.
Niiiice.
word again “g”
i love it…last year i sent the Constitution
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Do ya’think anyone read it?
We need to send the 10th Amendment also. Suzanne was discussing this a couple of days ago here and there is language in the 10th regarding anything not specifically given to the feds or the states goes to THE PEOPLE, and this wiretapping and the retro immunity both are ‘people’ issues!!
So I heard back from McCaskill’s office today . . .
*sigh*
She’s a former prosecutor, and she’s trying to sell the “We Meant Well” defense? Good grief.
Oh, and I took her up on the offer to contact her again . . .
Grit TV post is up
Am I imagining things – I seem to remember that the retro-immunity for the telcoms wasn’t even their idea? They are really on board with it now, but for some reason it seems like this whole thing was a Rethug idea from the get-go….
Dodd on fire right now.
Mr.Cbl
Thanks again, Doc.
I despise Harry: he has done everything possible to ram FISA through.
Pressure on the dark lord from Searchlight may be the key to stopping the FISA amnesty.
Here’s a discussion from Jane’s post earlier today.
WRT to the second question, IMHO yes.
WRT to the first question, cboldt shared his info on this yesterday:
He has to kill it from that vantage point, and he can. But he won’t.
– Could you lead us through the steps Reid could take from the vantage point you have led us to? –
To me, an effective date of 2200 would be just dandy. I’ll settle for 2100, though.
Which is why I changed my voter registration from No Party Affiliation to Democratic yesterday. I’ve been fighting the local party from the outside for years and decided I’d take the revolution to them on their own ground.
Uh, doc? I regret to inform you that it should be “correction” and “FDL.”
*g*
i’m enjoying the doc’s typo’s almost as much as looseheadprop’s
Folks, thanks for joining together here. I’m off to dinner, but willcheck back later.
Right now, we have the awesome Laura Flanders upstairs. Be well – and please digg! if you can.
perview is my firend…..
Well, hell, he’s just trying to get one that’ll catch fire on the intertoobz like “teh.” *g*
*mumble* Should add closed captioning if you’re gonna video blog, or at least a transcript of the speech so I could understand it. I hope they develop tools to make closed captioning much easier to add if video blogs become mainstream.
LOL!
Kirk thank you for this post. We treat this planet so shamefully. It is one thing to treat it badly out of ignorance, and another thing to do so from greed. I’d like to see people like these Petro CEO’s – what? pay in some way? There’s no way to pay, to undo.
She’s a former prosecutor,…
As a lawyer, do ya suppose she’s familar with Scalia, Roberts, Alito, and Thomas? Wonder if she’s ever heard of Michael Mukasey?
Ms. McCaskill, these are current members of the United States Supreme Court, and they do not believe in the rights of the individual when pitted against either government or large corporations.
Ms. McCaskill is living in a dream world if she expects relief through Mukasey, and even if Mukasey would inexplicably begin any action against the telecoms, The Supremes would likely strike it down. Her whole rationale depends upon the chance of one man to save the rights of the individual, Justice Kennedy. And Justice Kennedy is by no means a sure vote – he’s all over the place – but he is irrelevant if no charge is ever brought forward against the telecoms.
I repeat, do ya suppose that Senator McCaskill has ever heard of Michael Mukasey?
Maybe she’s hoping to take over his spot???
Those telcoms KNEW that what they were doing was illegal, no matter how they or Bushco try to spin it. If they didn’t, please explain why the CEO of QWEST ‘knew it was illegal and refused to go along.’ TWICE. And the government retaliated against him by rescinding some big contracts they had and Qwest was essentially shut out of future bidding on other projects.
Hmmm.
If it was legal, why did they resort to back-room punishment instead of taking them to Court? After all, it IS illegal to refuse to comply with a lawfully issued directive.
Your position is very problematic, if as stated above, she is hand in glove with Obama. There is someone on the site who always makes the assertion about how much legal power the telecoms have (no doubt) so they woulda/shoulda known they were going on illegal instructions from the Pres. Hard to think of them as witless, poor victims. Wonder if anyone can get to her?
ding!
Maybe she’s hoping to take over his spot???
I can’t wait for *somebody* to take over his spot.
When President Obama announces his choice for the Next Attorney General of The United States, I hope that he orders Mukasey to be present. Then, on national teevee, he could turn to Mukasey and say – “Sir, you are fired. Please be out of your office by the end of business today”.
That is much too polite for this scumbag.
“Pack yer personal shit and get the fuck out. Now.”
I believe it was bmaz who, with some fair amount of personal knowledge of how these companies work, and the nature of their legal departments, posited that the lawyers of those companies know privacy laws frontward, backward and sideways.
They didn’t get fooled – they knew good and goddamned well what was going on.
They must be feeling pretty good about now, after a few years of unremitting flop-sweat, that they’re about to get off the hook.
eli is a couple flights upstairs
“Pack yer personal shit and get the fuck out. Now.”
Yeah, that works too. lol.
I’ve been watching Dodd, I love LHP’s typos.
Mr.Cbl
Maybe they shouldn’t feel relieved so fast….just maybe.;)
Is Dodd going to talk all night? Is this a filibuster? Will Harry the Spineless allow that? I’m not up to speed like y’all, lend a brother a hand!
Mr.Cbl
I do not really know the plan. I think this is his speech, and not yet a filibuster. I was responding to the relief that jayt was assuming. Im not quite ready to give up yet. I think we have not heard from Harry. Others can tell you more. But definitely an improvement over last night.
The new post is also talking about this, the FISA thing. Come on over.
I wonder if all this outer space exploration is just the WH oilmen looking for oil at tax payers expense?
i keep saying, i worked at the phone company, i knew what was legal and what wasn’t, and i was lower on the totem pole than the decision-makers…….and they had two law firms for a little iddy biddy independent telco…..can’t tell me they didn’t know…..when you work there, you HAVE TO KNOW what is legal……..you are dealing with confidential material every single day……you sign confidentiality and code of conduct papers that you know and understand what you are allowed to do and tell……..they knew.
and i keep telling reps and sens, how many voters have said they believe the telcos should get immunity? not one single one i bet………then, who are you representing with your vote?
and am watching charlie rose from friday night, justice scalia on.
Dodd frikkin’ rocks. Honestly, I want him in office..I know, we need him in Congress….
Well, I say I want him as VP. He’s tackling Bushco on full force…no holds barred.
Obama, you better be taking notes!!!
Kirk, you work hard for us – and for the world. My respect and appreciation are boundless.
I just got off the phone with Senator Obama’s campaign. I told them that while I understood that the Senator was spread very thin, what with runnin’ for Pres and all, this was important. You know, the Constitution. A very nice staffer took it all down and admitted that “this is not the first call today” on the issue. (way ta go hippies) While she was very nice she did tell me that the Senator was in Las Vegas tonight. A fund raiser she said. Well, I said, he could have got still more money from me had been on the Senate floor tonight to stand for the rule of law and the Constitution.
Ok I’ll go upstairs.
Mr.Cbl