Zed, whatever.

O/T but Reid just filed a cloture motion on the motion to proceed to FISA.

Jane! EW! Fitz!

Your hair is gorgeous; what’s their problem, besides being jealous?

Actually, I suspect ‘jealous’ covers a lot of their problems. They wish they had your skill and your audience, and they know they never will.
(I think they also know that JoeL will never be more successful as a politician than he was in 2000.)

Hi, Jane
Wouldn’t you think in this very interesting and frantic time that they could think of something more important than the color of your hair? It’s great, by the way, and you are looking good.

Markos told men not to? “me” perhaps? It might be right the way it is, but it’s a strange sentence.

And you hair is perfect! (h/t Warren RIP)

Eve Unfairbanks is more like it. Douchebaggery in the extreme.

That should be *your* hair.
Just trying to validate the rule of internet grammar policing, I guess.

Your hair is gorgeous and they are assholes.

And, wrt your hair, I guess it really is all about Eve.

The problem isn’t so much that McSame *can’t* use a computer as that we have a new paradigm-changing technology and he hasn’t had either the curiosity or the ability to learn about it. If he had some sort of unique disability (perhaps a super-strong personal electro-magnetic field) that made it impossible for him to use a computer, I wouldn’t care, but haven’t we had enough of a President who has limited intellectual curiosity?

Would that writer be Eve Fairbanks the racist reporter?

I would just ignore her.

Simple responses to simple idiots.

And, in addition, I think it is impossible to take a stand or even discuss FISA if you don’t understand computers and email and at least have a familiarity with what is happening in terms of electronic communications. We have had a news item open on the bulletin board here all day about law enforcement in Missouri electronically trolling for kiddy porn being exchanged electronically. I’ll bet McCain doesn’t understand how that stuff is going on either. He probably thinks, like Stevens, that it’s ‘the tubez’.

Hi eg and Jane!

I’m also with Tracy. The next leader of our country must know how to use a computer. Heck, my Dad (he’s 74) is a whiz.

Yep – just before she had her last heart attack, at 86, my Mom was after me to get her a computer so that she could do research on the internet and be able to converse with my neice by IM and email. That’s 86 years old – she remembered a world with horse-drawn everything, no antibiotics, killer childhood diseases, no aircraft of any kind and ‘peace in our time.” So, I think it’s a small thing to ask that whoever gets to be president has to be able to use, him or herself, computers, etc. Maybe not program – but at least be a decently sophisticated user.

Thanks Jane.

digg

Well Mueller hated computers and he got to be the head of the FBI and nothing went wrong there…oh wait.

Your hair (and you) are absolutely beautiful, Jane… your grace and wit in the face of such a despicably callous remark is inspirational.

Sadly, it’s difficult if not damn near impossible to tell whether the fleck of human excrement who wrote that ”newly platinum blond” remark was ignorant of or indifferent to your situation… these creeps have proven time and time again they’re not above mocking cancer patients, mothers of fallen soldiers and even the wives of 9/11 victims…

This is sort of OT, but not really — “As solar panels become more available, affordable and easy to use, the technology has been embraced by Amish communities here in Southern Maryland, in Pennsylvania, Ohio and elsewhere. While connecting to the public power grid is generally frowned upon as an unhealthy intrusion on their simple lifestyle, the Amish have long considered energy sources such as diesel and gasoline engines — and now solar power — a legitimate way to fire up buggy lights and sewing machines and meet the rest of their modest electrical needs.
http://www.greenenergyohio.org…..ageID=1324
If the Amish are clever enough to find a way to integrate solar power into their lives…how come we have a presidential candidate who doesn’t understand how to use a computer?

Hard to imagine Liberman’s supporters being so stupid and venal.
Actually, it’s not.
On the plus side, it appears that all Americans are not so hateful after all
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06…..on.html?hp

We can tell if Eve is ignorant or indifferent by whether she takes the line out in a couple of hours. If ignorant, it will be gone. No reasonable person wants to have unknowingly slammed a cancer survivor. If indifferent or malicious, then it’ll stay.

(((Quaker Girl)))

Abacus, two cans and a string, and a typewriter. Next question you trollop?

(((Jane !)))

Spencer Ackerman is to be a FDL regular ?!?!? Wow!

Much appreciated.

I just called Harry’s DC office. They claimed to be clueless.

Solar Grand Plan

That sounds right.

Do you doubt them? I don’t.

Jane

There’s a saying amongst lawyers that if the facts are against you pound on the law; if the law is against you, pound on the facts; and if the law and the facts are against you, pound on the table. You should know, the Repugs, who have nothing to commend them, are forced to stoop to false personal attacks. Do not let the bastards get you down. You look great.

As for a president using a computer, that’s a no brainer. Our new president’s first move should be to put the government on Linux. Having govt agencies operating uniformly means he can review their doings randomly from time to time. It’s a big government and he cannot be expected to be in on everything, but something is better than nothing. If in this day and age, McCain can’t work his way around the Internet, it’s just another reason why we should not touch him with a ten foot pole.

The empire expansion continues unabated.

I can remember when it was just Jane and a bunch of DFH’s way back when.

The Donald is going to be giving you a call to go to lunch to try and get your secrets of success any day now.

Congratulations Miss Jane.

By the way, I think you look FABULOUS!

Uh, Jane? Weren’t you always a platinum blond? What is this newly? And boy was the tone of the New Republic article bitchy and acid.

FISA cloture motion? so soon? this is so painful

Jane, sorry to hear about your Mom. Is (was?) she the kind of woman who’d be hanging out with Lenny, Richard, and George right about now?

jane you are so incredibly classy in the face of juvenile name calling, you are truly the personification of the idea that living well is the best revenge.

“woman”

sheesh…

Absolutely(smooch)

xactly sister lhp !
half expected a link to Wanky McWankington’s Burn Book. These guys never got over that A+ girl in high school

I have two points:

1. Jane, gentlemen prefer blondes.

2. Markos did not tell me to write this.

HA!

Jane, I saw you on GRITTV and besides trying to figure out whether your blouse was back with white stripes or vice versa thought you were a VERY good looking woman. Just an FYI.

I always find it weird to unexpectedly come across my name in print. Thanks Jane, for the shout out. Wish I could be over there.

Yes, I think it’s clear that Cox is right about this–that it really did have an affect having commenters directly responding to posts and articles. A friend asked me why I was wasting my time over there because, well, we’re talking about Joe Klein here.

But Jane has often talked about the bubble. This was one of the few cracks available. i think it’s served Time well to do this. Scherer may not think so….

oy………………these old dinosaurs are SCREAMING FOR RETIREMENT……………somebody take away their Viagra stat

oy Bikini Bumps

your hair rocks…..jealous harpies

Scherer is one thing. JNS is worse.

Yep, busted, you’ve been here for a while.

You’re a living legend among the Donita crowd.

okay where is everyone

Crap, yer making me blush!

Speaking of slummy joe, everyone likely saw this but it’s worth posting for any who didn’t.
Funny stuff from HuffPo. Joe Lieberman: I Want To Be Number Two

And here he’s been a “no. 2″ all this long long long time!

Jane, your hair is awesome. I said so long ago. It’s cute, and kewl and perfect. They’re eating their hearts out. Over “Everything Jane”!

your modelesque……you got IT……………..FLAUNT IT mokay?

http://beauty.about.com/librar…..londe1.jpg

That’s a funny McCain story. McPEBCAK!

hi Siri…ive been plagued in the past by the green eyed monsters,i flick it off my shoulder like BHO….

my dear friend in Miami calls him McDummy i likes it

Thanks Boo I dugg your Digg.

Jane tell the @#%@$&*@@$$ to sut up about your hair… Ask then to go through Chemo and then come and talk hair with you… Some people(rethuglians) have absoutly no decorum and lack the social skills of a two year old…. CRY Babies

– FISA cloture motion? so soon? –

This is a cloture motion on a motion to proceed to the consideration of the bill.

This is NOT a cloture motion to limit debate on final passage, or even on an amendment. The bill hasn’t been taken up yet.

Keep kicking their asses Jane, don’t bother taking names.

Back to work for me.

Don’t forget me in the online dragon slayer talk. Klein added an update to an early post at Swampland to address what I called him(Why do you think I have to use JK’s guilty conscience at Swampland now?).

im getting confused,

Harry’s office has always been clueless. I’ve called them a couple of times and they never know what I am talking about. It’s sad really.

I think any remarks about Jane’s appearance are a very poor attempt to try to bring her down to the level of someone whose only assets are physical. They don’t understand that it’s not Jane’s fault that she’s gorgeous – and the brainiest girl in the class…too bad. They’re still acting like middle schoolers, snarking in the hallway, slamming the locker doors.

does somebody want to adopt any of my babies?

pretty please

http://shaggydogfarms.com/

her appaearance is simply gorgeous,they are either blind and or JEALOUS

Of course we all know that Joementum has a crush on the ladies of FDL, doesn’t he?

-S

Yes Nelson, you too. Sorry for the oversight.

Bullseye.

Tactically, wouldn’t the idea be to fight cloture on everything including the first step, this one?

Secondly, what timeline do you now extrapolate out from having seen this?

Heh, so do the rest of us…a crush on the FDL ladies, I mean.

As far as Joe goes, “I’m crrrushing your head” (h/t Kids in the Hall)

The attackerman site looks like it will be good!

((((sadlyyes)))))
good to c’ya, dah’lin.
yeah, i always iggy them too, but I kiss em up to God too.
sad souls.
the green eyeds. i don’t see me kising up to God anyone from the thuglican party, tho. I’m afraid that’d make me just sicky.
ya know?
haha

my thesis 50% peeps suck….100% animals wunnerful critters…”G”

oh!
he’ll be the CAT’S MEOW, here at the Lake.
That’s GREAT news. This place keeps taking on more and more heavy hitters! I’m loving the evolution. I wonder what the big vision is. It’s just exciting to get to play!

– Tactically, wouldn’t the idea be to fight cloture on everything including the first step, this one? –

Tactically, you make your opponents file cloture, but yes – this is the first step (other than the right to demand first and second readings be on SEPARATE days), being the first debatable event, where objection can be raised.

– Secondly, what timeline do you now extrapolate out from having seen this? –

It’s not possible to extrapolate, because the Senate doesn’t follow its own rules. But, if some Senator held them to the rules, this bill would be made pending sometime around the middle of Thursday afternoon.

Cloture vote Wednesday, one hour after the conclusion of morning business (i.e., about 10:00 a.m.), add 30 hours of post-cloture debate puts the vote on the motion at 4:00 p.m. Thursday.

Then, assume there is objection to limiting time to a vote on passage. A second cloture motion, with the vote on that no sooner than a one day layover – i.e., can’t have it on Friday, have to be in on Saturday. After THAT cloture motion passes, add 30 hours. That would put final passage on Sunday or Monday. If they don’t work Saturday or Sunday, push the days out accordingly.

Insert another cloture motion/cloture vote/post-cloture debate for amendment too – it’s permissible under the rules.

So, that’s whats EASILY possible under the rules. What will really happen is anybody’s guess, but I’ll be able to ferret out the “objectors in name only” easily from their actions, notwithstanding their words. I expect the bill to be taken up before Thursday. There will be a UC agreement to compress the time between the cloture vote and proceeding to the bill.

There is no need for any senator to speak (quote “filibuster” unquote) in order to cause the 30 hours to elapse. Post cloture rules is that no single Senator may hold the floor for more than one hour (unless they agree to waive the rule)

OMG, they had the NERVE to comment on your HAIR? After CHEMO? Wow! Commenting on medical conditions is really sinking LOW. F’rinstance, since Lieberman had his soul removed, progressives have politely refrained from mentioning that the Senator smells of brimstone, sulfur, and that musty-old-man smell you get from a rain-soaked alley couch.

That’s the truest thing every typed ANYWHERE, sadly!!!!!!
My babies, 3 dogs, absolutely get me through these times in our crumbling democracy! Those are some wise, WISE, words.

for all us Blondes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhUHdvhMKpg

we can learn from them…we can!

When we are sad and pet and hold and hug them, they take that negative energy and put it into the earth with their 4 paws. Did you know that??? My No. 1 explained that to me one night when I was crying.
It’s truuu!

1,682 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

Ah Sister Jane you ARE the “terror of the fascist wingnutosphere”…I even thought aboutcha when I was up right next ta the Boundary Waters Canoe Area (BWCA) chasin’ Walleyes around the lake and grand daughters around the beach. As for the point about McCrazy and his technological ignorance, his list of particular “ignorances” is very long and his tech illiteracy is jest another on the long list that makes him unqualified for managein’ a rock garden let alone the government of the USofA.

The new world that is emergin’ is driven by internet communications and I’m convinced may be the salvation of active democracy and individual rights…but it ain’t a done deal. Witness a lotta long abused progressives and Democrats who don’t understand that a politician will go only as far as his voting constituency forces him-her. The concept of citizen action to create pressure groups within the elected bodies is alien to a lotta younger folks who have been hit over the head with “strong-man” politics since Reagan…the idea that it is political suicide for a single politician to lead alone against well funded and established corporate power is lost on these kids. The internet and the blogosphere makes it possible for large coalitions of regular folks to coalesce quickly around issues and direct groups of elected officials to action in their interest, without threat of losin elections. This FISA battle is a crucial test of this concept of the “new politics” called democracy…I jest hope we don’t force our presumptive leader out into the center of the arena without the cover of a well organized cadre around him. And of course that’s where the blogosphere and leaders like you and Hardin Smith come in…ain’t it fun takin’ part in history instead of watchin’?

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…REMEMBER THERE IS NO COMPROMISIN’ WITH FASCISTS!!

Robert Reich on CNN “Market doesn’t need prizes”–profitability is the prize.

Republihack saying prizes, we need prizes…kinda like a bounty…

Much appreciated.

they sure do…it totally evaporates…………my tru loves

fer keeerist saki

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

Former MO Senator Jean Carnahan has McCain’s number:

Why do Republicans feel they have to “dumb down” their presidential candidates? George Bush doesn’t read newspapers­and few books. Now John McCain tells us he doesn’t know squat about computers.

McCain’s list of disqualifications for serving as a world leader in the 21st century continues to astound the mind. Today, computer literacy is not an option for anyone over the age of three. Though some people choose to be troglodytes and take great pride in their lack of technological skills, the president of the most advanced nation on earth should not be one of them.

McCain has the audacity to call Obama “out of touch” because he looks uncomfortable at Cactus Willie’s All You Can Eat Catfish Bar. By comparison, McCain is in a time warp, a Rip Van Winkle, rubbing his eyes as he tries to adjust to a new reality.

Like “W”, McCain has never struck me as having an inquisitive mind. That appears to have been the case even at the Naval Academy, where he graduated in 1958 ranking 894th out of 899 cadets. What a stark comparison to Thomas Jefferson who was described by his biographer as someone who “could calculate an eclipse, survey an estate, tie an artery, plan an edifice, try a case, break a horse, dance a minuet, and play the violin.”

And, that was all before he ever wrote the Declaration of Independence. I don’t expect our next president to write anything so grand, but it would be nice if he could at least send an email or Google a bit of information from time to time.

In stark contrast to Kit Bond, Jean Carnahan makes me glad to live in Missouri.

Republihack: windfall profits tax tried and failed…

Sit!Wolfie filling in the lines she forgot, about McCain saying this has Carter’s fingerprints all over it.

I kid you not. Sit!Wolfie interrupts and talks over Robert Reich to spew the Rethuglihack lines.

Path.et.ic.ick!

F’rinstance, since Lieberman had his soul removed, progressives have politely refrained from mentioning that the Senator smells of brimstone,

sulfur, and that musty-old-man smell you get from a rain urine-soaked alley couch.

(fixed it for you.)

Jane, they are so desperate that it is showing.

I am sorry if this hurt you, though. You’ve gone through so much and are very, very much respected by many, including me.

And in response to the title of this post, Jane,
excuse me but
EVEN BU$H knew how to send emails!!!!
All those thugs totally GOT the Blackberry thing down, to knowing who to call to wipe the drives.
Doesn’t say much for McStain that he “doesn’t compute”, now does it.
What a buncha lame asses.
It just p’s me O when someone dogs on any of the FDL crew, but especially Jane cause this is her baby.
I need to hit something, and I already worked out today.
I’m not kidding. Anyone who attacks an FDLaker, is like hitting family to the rest of us here.
I’m pissed.

please recall this is the crowd that made fun of Michael J Fox and even when caught didn’t apologize – merely went on to explain how he “exaggerated” his symptoms “for effect”

chasin’ Walleyes
oh my catch any? deliciouuus!

Thanks. Marcy relates this

It’s being scheduled based on Obama’s schedule. He’ll be in the Senate on Thursday PM, so this wlil give Dodd and Feingold to talk for 30 hours before Obama votes against immunity (if Reid even manages a separate vote for that) and for the bill.

Does that affect any of your above?

That is quite a piece – bless her.

McCain’s hack of the day: Nancy Pfotenhauer…

Pffeeuuww.

he is former JERUSALEM POST guy..dual Israeli citizenship,and former 700 Club asin Pat Robertson employee……..tells you ALL ya need to know about Leslie Blitzer

Maybe McCain’s not to be trusted with computers…remember his legacy of crashes….

There is nothing that the goops won’t stoop to.

And they call it “compassionate conservatism” and “patriotism”.

No retreat, no surrender from these attacks!

McDummy….thanks Wanda( my pal)

where’d her little cindybot self pop up? She’s quite shrill and scary. saw her first on newshour where she stood out with foxstyle delivery. eewww.

jane,

first, you’re beautiful.

second, i’m new here, and wasn’t aware of your battle with cancer or the death of your mother. my praise to you for surviving both; i lost my mother after an 11 year battle with cancer back in 1990. i still miss her every day, and think she would find you to be amazing.

finally, i’m also thrilled attackerman’s coming to FDL. love him and his work. his piece “the obama doctrine” from the american prospect is a must read.

lots of love from chicago…

From the post:

And despite the fact that I’ve never set foot in the place before this morning, I also seem to be responsible for the fancy place the conference is being held in.

Jane, that’s because you probably make any place more fancy by your mere presence. It’s a burden you’ll just have to bear, regardless of how jealous it makes Eve.

Citizen sadlyyes:

Most of what we caught were over the slot limits (18 to 26 inches)… we DID get a couple a good meals fer my 83 year old mother but we hadda supplement with some plump sunfish and jumbo pearch. A lotta bigger fish in the boat, includin’ some good sized Northerns…but no Muskies this year.

– Does that affect any of your above? –

It’s a complete disconnect form what I posted. And “his will give Dodd and Feingold to talk for 30 hours before Obama votes” is horseshit.

The “30 hours” is the time between invoking cloture (Wednesday AM), and adopting the underlying matter, in this case, a motion to proceed. Within that 30 hours of post cloture time, NO senator is permitted to speak more than one hour.

There won’t be ANY amendment pending until after the motion to proceed is adopted. Now, if Dodd and Feingold agree to proceed SOONER that the rules admit in the way of delay, and IF an amendment is made pending, then perhaps a vote on the amendment could be scheduled for Thursday. But doing so requires UC – absence of objection.

2 questions #1 why are we still in Iraq?
…………#2…..what the heck did CINDY LOU see in McDummy? thanx

……..scratches head

has she made the news ?

googled her after seeing her id’d on the teevee as “Senior Economic Policy Advisor”

passed this on to Cliff – she is supposed to be en pointe in the Wimmens Outreach. Lots of wringing of hands when advocating Off Shore Drilling ‘ cause the price at the pump affects Working Women blah blah blah

She spent time on a Blue Ribbon Domestic Violence panel (courtesy Ashcrosft)- advocating the whole time against ‘94 legistlation that expanded benefits to victims of domestic violence

yeah, I know, I was shocked as well *g*

Prediction: McCain will flip flop on the computer literacy issue. When he does, the MSM won’t call him on it.

Its too ignorant and it will not play well with a majority of voters. Not just young people. Many older people and people with disabilities will think that McCain is really f*cking stupid. Too stupid to be President – And remembering Dubya.

{{{{{{{burntbeans..Jane}}}}}}}}}}}
my mother is apiece of work……….however another story

New post

wove in a little live-blog on the fly of Reich v. Pfotenhauer on Sit!Wolfie’s afternoon blather on CNN…

and sadlyyes@91…that hardly seems kosher, now does it…

Sit!Wolfie = Buffalo’s other overpaid interviewer.

i was missin ya,glad you were out playin…i did not know they were called Muskies….good as Dover Sole imo

Can’t we all remember being ridiculed by the cool Black guy at the country club?

Turdblossom must be drinking heavily.

-G

ya didn’t get skunked, Norske! That rocks. It sounds like an ideal weekend. I’m goin’ fishin next weekend. not stayin in here and working another Sunday all summer, ifn I can help it.
We are close to a 2 lakes and the second largest resevoir in the state of Colorado.
I’m gettin’ ME some.
:)

HAHAhaha
hell say ANYTHING!.period

Heh, that is why I ask. I can discuss how where and why the law itself sucks with at least marginal competence; however I don’t know squat about this procedure. You do, and man do I appreciate that.

oh have fun…send snaps

can you send me the link?

who could have anticipated…that McCain would give us more of the same ol’ hacks. Bush’s third term anyone?

im roasting peppers……………..uhm…they were on sale can ya believe it?….over angel hair methinks

link? don’t know why “that” shows as a link. I was listening to CNN in the other room on the tee-vee.

imo…..hed be worse…..reckless/dummy

I don’t care about your hair, your mind is gorgeous!

I think Pfoffentot (sp?) is Melanie Morgan v. 2.0.

Kinda like the third sequel of Rambo or a Steven Seagal movie.

oh………be carefull it STUNTS your metal growth “g”

707

Okay, I just read somewhere that Lieberman wants to be number two. Who’s gonna tell him he’s already a big shit?

Colorful Begalaism on McCain’s flip-flop hug of the Bush economic policies:

It’s like marryin’ the girl you didn’t want to date…

Ding-ding-ding! Champion snark o’the day!

Word is McCain is using an Etch-a-Sketch as practice before he gets a real computer.

Gooooo Johnny, go, go.

-G

oh i concur,and hes p-issy also

yea lemmons 1.25 each,red peppers 4 bux a pd…thanks chimpy

forgot to save the seeds damn…..cooked seeds no good heh?

Thankee, ma’am. {blushes primly}

The procedure is really pretty simple. It’s the same “process”, able to be repeated anytime a single move is debatable.

Examples of debatable single moves: Motion to proceed, to pass an amendment, to pass a bill.

The process that works within debate is “objection.” One Senator can object, and that’s it – except 60 Senators can surmount the objector with cloture.

Motion to proceed – I object – cloture
UC request to vote on an amendment – I object – cloture
UC request to vote (there is no motion to vote) – I object – cloture

Each invocation of cloture has two phases, separated by three events. Event one is filing the cloture motion, event two is voting on the cloture motion, and event three (given that cloture is invoked) is voting on the underlying “single move” (motion to proceed, or vote on an amendment or final passage)

Phase one: The rules provide for one legislative day between filing a cloture motion, and voting on it. The Senate can work on whatever it wants to in between. Cloture motion Monday? Vote on Wednesday. Cloture motion on Friday? vote on Tuesday (weekend is not a legislative day).

Phase two: post cloture – the rules provide for 30 hours of debate (extendable or compressible by UC) between invoking cloture and voting on the underlying matter. This time period is referred to as “post cloture debate,” and has a number of quirks that aren’t relevant for this discussion. But one quirk that is relevant, those 30 hours can be made to run, even if NO Senator talks.

The idea that “Oh goodie, we got cloture, now we can filibuster for 30 hours” is asinine. First, no single senator gets more than one hour of post cloture time (technically, a bill leader can can get two hours, and UC breaks all the rules); and second, if the object is to obstruct passage, well, you want cloture to FAIL. Passage of cloture isn’t an “oh goodie” event. It’s an “oh shit” event.

Urgh. . . the New Republic.
Talkleft on the Appeals Court Reverses Detainee’s Classification as Enemy Combatant. The story is so disturbing in so many ways. I think the Chinese Muslims deserve large settlements. Apparently the classification of the Uighurs ETIM as “enemy combatants” was a suck up on Bush’s part to the Chinese government. it. And Chimpco is still allowed to ruin lives in secret. And I am sure Lieberman loves it.

Mark said that someone doesn’t have to know how to use a computer in order to understand them. Tracy said most emphatically that you do, and that someone who is going to be expected to lead the country through the social, political, economic and communication upheavals that are happening as a result of the changes in computer and online technology very much needs to be able to use one.

How can you fucking understand them if you don’t know how to use or how it ‘works?’

My nephew (who is 12) and I were talking about his grandfather (78) who recently started using a computer. Absolutely LOVES IT! And we’re not talking about email….we’re talking about the Toobz!

I’ve been using a computer since the 1980s …. in my 30s; I’m 54 now. I’ll be using a computer until the day I die or close.

It’s about keeping up with what’s going on in the world, etc. You don’t have to be a fucking computer programmer in order to use or understand something about computers and technology.

As for Jane’s hair – FUCK ‘EM. I love it! My nephew who is now 21, when he went into puberty, the straight thinnish hair that would never grow became thick and curly. My friend, Regina, after her hari faell out from breast cancer as well, came back in lighter & redder (reddish-brown) and curly than before. it’s about body chemistry and hormonal changes and some other shit as well.

The issue with this “bounty” is that there’s already a winner…the question is if anyone can beat Cobasys with all the NiMH patents that they own. This is still a giveaway to the oil companies, namely Chevron, who owns controlling interest in the company. Cobasys owns the patents and technology that was used in the batteries of the doomed EV-1 program.

Who Killed the Electric Car? should be required viewing prior to the approval of another $300 million giveaway.

Oh forgive me – I hit the wrong button – no spell check!

David lost all of his hair (head, beard, nose hair, the works). Now it’s slowly growing back. I’ve told him he’s going to be a blonde. (Shhhhhh…it’s gray!)

hahaha
It’s about keeping up with what’s going on in the world, etc. You don’t have to be a fucking computer programmer in order to use or understand something about computers and technology.
————
if one were SO inclined

blondes have more fun…just sayin

Here you are! Got here late and had to scroll back to find you. Welcome, welcome, welcome!! I’m not the official greeter, but mighty glad you’re here all the same. (((burntbeans))) Booyah!

Dayyum. That’s what I’m afraid of!

And they’ve given how much money and lobbyist advisory help to the McShame campaign?

Truly, I’m not disparaging computer programmers, and I thought about that as I was reading over it a bit. I do respect the occupation because it’s not something I can do (lacking technical knowledge and probably aptitude) or am even inclined to do.

I see McCain is sniffing the airplane glue he uses to hold his campaign together again.

Jaysus, he probably doesn’t even know there ever was an electric car. geeezze!

Getting a funky “script running causing system to slow down log off or die” message. I think it’s the Republicans, but just to be sure, gotta reboot.

BUT rejoice in the rescue of Keith Kennedy, the young man with autism who disappeared from a camp for folks with disabilities and was lost in the Wisconsin deep woods for a full week. He was found last night, alive. Is hospitalized now, stable and improving. Booyah!!!

Oh go ahead, programmers disparage nonprogrammers quite regularly. at least the ones I worked with who didn’t believe in customer service… :|

cboldt–thanks for the inner tinkerings insight, i love knowing the nuts and bolts of how things work, and there is a lot to know……..ls or cbl2 posted links of mini-courses for me for congress and senate one sunday, but my browser wiped out before i bookmarked them and then forgot to go back, now, i can’t remember when it was…..oh well.

so, i soak up anything having to do with procedure, thanks.

Almost completely off-topic, and maybe not even welcome, but … Jane, you are TEH HAWT.

My favorite, letting my database coder roots show. :)

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thanks for the welcome barbara. you’re quite a bunch here by the lake…

And ya know what, DIGG this.
I want EVERYONE to see how pretty Jane is, and what the thugs are stooping to. Again. and Again.
SERIOUSLY.
This post cannot possibly glorify anyone over on the dark side!

now see???

:]

– i love knowing the nuts and bolts of how things work, and there is a lot to know –

Yes there is. I learn new stuff regularly. That outline above works on “new bills,” but not on “messages from the House” (where a bill is ping-ponging back and forth), and not on certain classes of bill, such as budget resolutions.

But still, there are a few points that the vast majority of people misunderstand. One is failing to recognize the difference between “cloture on a motion to proceed” and “cloture on final passage.” Most people hear “cloture” and assume it’s on final passage.

Another is to somehow associate cloture with the right to hold the floor for 30 hours. I have no idea where that comes from, it’s just a flat out myth, best I can tell. Yes, there are 30 hours of time between passing cloture and getting to the next step, but that time can be filled with sleep, silence, etc. – and no Senator is allowed more than one of those 30 hours.

Another is to assume that holding the floor and talking is ALWAYS going to result in delay. Sometimes it does, but the only way to extend the 30 hours of post-cloture time is by UC.

Getting out the cots and talking all night is a pure act of theater. It generally has no procedural or substantive effect. None.

LOL True enough. My IT guys don’t fuck me with anymore, not since that ‘Is the computer on?’ and we got into this ‘Do you know what the biliary system is?’ You don’t make fun of my lack of computer programming skills and when you come into the ER, I’ll help ya out instead of just letting you die or maybe in the cafeteria when you choking on your 7th donut, I promise I’ll do the Heimlich and save your fucking ass.

Is the computer on? Indeed.

I am just now taking in John Dean’s Broken Government, which is heavy on process. Lots of folks care about fairness and playing according to the rules more than the outcome. Which is why Bushco is so maddening. And the fact they are trying to condition the entire country to the “unitary executive BS” is just a craven power grab. They don’t believe in it so much when a dem is in the WH…which knocks this theory on its ass.

(cut & pasted for future reference. thx so much cboldt for helping unwind the legislative process into comprehensible bits)

D’oh! You got skillz!

Which outline for legislative bills?

I’m at work see – working….. of course! :)

and also:

digg Swift Boat Liars Ready To Swiftboat Obama — Will McCain Denounce Them?

digg FISA: Turning Up The Pressure

digg Toxic Profits: KBR, Sodium Dichromate And Tax Shelter Tap Dances

digg Oil Prices Are High Because . . . ??

digg Bush? Yes indeed, it could be worse

lmao!

Christy’s got a new post

There’s 10 kinds of people. Those who understand the binary system and those who don’t…

Sorry this is so long – I edited a bunch of it and I don’t have a link cuz it came in an email. But given the mess that our so-called Congressional process has become, maybe it is really time to take matters into our won hands.

Do Americans want to become lawmakers? Polls show that people overwhelmingly want to be empowered. The only possible empowerment tool is lawmaking. For the last 225 years, citizens have been sold on the legislative monopoly of representative government where power is wielded by their elites.

CAN AMERICANS become lawmakers? The Congress is not likely to dilute its powers by empowering the people. Therefore, the people themselves must enact a federal ballot initiative called the National Initiative for Democracy, a proposed law that…goes entirely around the U.S. government and is legal under our Constitution.

The ideological foundation of the National Initiative rests on the belief that the constituent power of the people is sovereign, and the American people, like all peoples, can govern themselves as they see fit in pursuit of their happiness and their general welfare. George Washington in 1787 said it best:

“People can decide with as much propriety on the alterations and amendments [to the Constitution] which shall be found necessary, as ourselves, for I do not conceive that we are more inspired, have more wisdom or possess more virtue than those who will come after us.”

>snip

HOW CAN AMERICAN VOTERS amend the Constitution and enact the National Initiative if Congress will not act upon it or, more than likely would oppose it? The people, using a federal ballot initiative, can go around all three branches of government to amend the Constitution. There are only two venues within the structure of our polity where constitutions, constitutional amendments, and laws can be enacted: the people or their elected representatives in government. Herein lies the problem.

The Framers in Article VII of the Constitution wrote the “Creation Article” providing procedures for the conventions of states to ratify the Constitution, which is how our government was created. They also provided procedures for federal and state government representatives to amend the Constitution in Article V, thereby perpetuating control of government by a small minority of elites. However, the Framers failed to provide procedures for “We, the people [to] ordain” alterations to the Constitution or make laws, even though they repeatedly said the people had the right to change their government as they saw fit.

“All power is originally in the People and should be exercised by them in person, if it can be done with convenience, or even with little difficulty.”

That was a statement made in 1789 by James Wilson, a Scottish scholar, a signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and the prime mover in securing the rapid ratification of the Constitution in Pennsylvania. George Washington appointed him an initial Associate Justice of the Supreme Court.

The conventional wisdom among many scholars holds that Article V is the only way to amend the Constitution. Article V is how the government amends the Constitution, not how the people would do it. If the people had to use Article V to amend the Constitution, they would need permission from two-thirds of the Congress and three-fourths of the state legislatures. This would mean that we, the people (the creators of our government) would have to get permission from the representatives we elected to amend the Constitution. This logic is ludicrous. The constituent power of the people, the source of all political power, cannot be subservient to the powers it creates.

James Madison had it right when, in response to an inquiry during the Constitutional Convention, he said that the people had the power to “just do it.”

The people were in fact the fountain of all power and by resorting to them, all difficulties were got over. They could alter the constitutions as they pleased.

The people can “just do it” directly amend the Constitution via a federal ballot initiative that goes around the government to establish a legal legislative process that empowers the people to thenceforward act as lawmakers on the policy issues affecting their lives independent of their elected legislators.

The precedent and the basis for the people to use a federal ballot initiative and thereby provide the people with legislative procedures to amend the Constitution and make laws is Article VII of the Constitution, which permitted our forebears in 1787 and 1788 to ratify the creation of our constitutional government. Today’s communications technology permits us to use the precedent of Article VII to ask all American citizens if they wish to be empowered as lawmakers by choosing to enact the National Initiative in an electoral process that is fair, transparent and reasonable.

Many stakeholders in the status quo perpetuate the myth that the people are not wise enough to enact laws on policies that affect their lives. Nevertheless, the people are expected to select the individuals who then make those decisions. The selection of representatives to make those decisions is considerably more difficult and made more so by the manipulations of campaigns than the people making those policy decisions directly. This myth that the people are not up to the legislative task of their own self-governance is totally discredited by the 100-year history of the people competently legislating by initiative at the state and local levels of government, and by the Swiss national experience.

If a majority of those who voted in the last presidential election vote for the National Initiative for Democracy, regardless of the views of those in government, it then becomes the law of the land. The legality of this process has been affirmed by constitutional scholars from a number of the nation’s most prestigious universities.

You’re a stern (or not) taskmaster today! You’re sweeping up all the stragglers…

me too.

:)

Pretty clever!

[The system I was referring was biliary, however. Jus’ checkin’]

puravida at 66–As far as Joe goes, “I’m crrrushing your head” (h/t Kids in the Hall)

omg, i can’t count the number of days i used that, sitting in my phone van writing up paper work from really annoying customers who followed me all over the house to make sure i knew what i was doing, i did…..couldn’t flip the bird, so, i cruushed their little heads…….the kids got me through some times……one of the reasons i bought a very expensive vcr, cuz it was right when they came out, to tape them and david letterman and c-span…….been a taping fool ever since. but now i only have pbs…..but i do have boxes of unlabeled tapes downstairs that i go through here and there, a gold mine……..

wow, i loved them!!!! don’t know what i woulda done in the 80’s without guys like them. their evident insanity kept me sane and not feeling so alone in my own artist’s insanity view of the world.

– Which outline for legislative bills? –

The one at post 130.

But the availability of the three debatable points I used to provide a concrete example isn’t strictly “on legislation.” The availability of a debatable point usually, but doesn’t always, result in the ability to obstruct with objection/cloture.

As bills bounce between the Senate and House, there is only ONE bite at “motion to proceed.” Second and subsequent passes are done under “taking up a message from the House.” This means the Senate already took the thing up once, sent it to the House, and is now seeing it for the second (or third, or fourth, etc.) time.

Some matters have statutory time limits for debate, as contrasted with the general rule of unlimited debate. Some matters, as a matter of statute, aren’t amenable to cloture. This list is NOT exhaustive:

A federal budget resolution (Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974).
A resolution authorizing the use of force (War Powers Resolution).
International trade agreements (Bipartisan Trade Promotion Authority Act of 2002).
As Sen. Harry Reid well knows, you cannot filibuster legislation under the Nuclear Waste Policy Act of 1982.

And you have a blog as well. Have to stop by after work!

cboldt–then what is the purpose of a cloture other than to have more time to go over a bill?

is it that is avoids amendments?

what road does it make it go down that it isn’t going toward anyway–a vote……..

if this is way too elementary to go into, that’s ok, i’ll try to find the mini-courses that ls or cbl2 posted….or something like it, just haven’t taken the time to do it yet…..but will….

i need a senate and house for dummies, but i kinda hate those kinda cliff note books, i want the real info and then tamp it down myself…..that’s why i like your statements of information, just the facts ma’am…….

and i was the one who benefitted a while back from your mccain fec papers posts on your blog……i sent letters, i made calls, and ended up nailing guests on the diane rehm show who were misrepresenting the facts about it, too……..from the documents you provided…..

so, thanks.

Joe is just jealous because he likes your hair better than his own.

Hey, Jane, you may have missed it because — let’s face it — nobody subscribes to the damn thing, but Joe Lieberman Weekly isn’t, uh, weekly any more.

– then what is the purpose of a cloture other than to have more time to go over a bill? –

The point of cloture is to have LESS time to debate, before voting.

In an ideal deliberative body, all members will become informed, and be prepared to cast a principled vote, before the vote it taken. Under normal function, once a member has a position, he/she is ready to vote; and without having an informed position, shouldn’t be pressed to vote.

The legislative device of cloture is to provide a way to get the entire body to vote, even when some small fraction of the members are not ready to commit. If enough members are ready, then the vote of the body will fairly represent the judgment of the body as a whole. Cloture is used to cut debate short, over the objection of people who haven’t made up their mind yet.

The Senate has been abusing this functional principle – in that it’s a minority of Senators (40 or so voting as a bloc) knowing darn well what position it has, using the power to demand “more debate, debate forever”, and in effect using the parliamentary device that’s intended to let individual members become informed, as a device to withhold the voice of the body as a whole.

A failed cloture motion means (or is supposed to mean), in principle, let’s keep debating until enough of the members can cast a principled/informed vote, one way or the other. The Senate uses (abuses) cloture to OPPOSITE effect. No wonder the public is confused! Often, under a failed cloture motion, the matter is withdrawn from further consideration – debate STOPS, instead of continuing.

But sometimes, the Senate will try cloture over and over and over again, on the same bill or same matter. The most consecutive cloture motions I’ve seen on a single bill is 7 or 8. Keep debating until you are ready to vote, then vote.

One way to look at a NAY cloture vote is “I’m not ready to vote.” This is the principled reason. Another principled justification for voting NAY on cloture is “I reject the terms of debate, so refuse to play your game.” I’m thinking in particular of the situation when one side refuses to permit amendments. A justification that I think is unprincipled (as a matter of parliamentary “majority rule” process – not characterizing the underlying issue) is “My side can’t get a majority, so I’m not going to vote.”

– And you have a blog as well. –

Caution (DANGER DANGER!)

I’m a radical righty, so you are almost certain to be in disagreement with my general point of view, which comes through from time to time.

But I do try to paint an accurate picture of history for the record, with links so people can make up their own minds. I don’t aim to impose my point of view, except that I think we’re all better off if each one of us uses our God-given brain independently, with minimum capitulation to propaganda.

– i kinda hate those kinda cliff note books –

The best way to learn House/Senate procedure is in context anyway. A mess of rules is too hard to understand, without a concrete example unfolding. And the beauty of learning in context is that a concrete example generally involves only a few of the rules, so the learning is naturally in little digestible pieces.

Thanks again for the clarity Cboldt; guess you’re not updating your own blog anymore? Same here.

Where is the legal basis for such a ‘National Initiative’? The Consitution does give the people the ‘right to petition’ but doesn’t indicate that any action must be taken on such ‘petitions’.

Just for contrast, Iraq has a a guess-estimate population of 27 million and a Parliament with 275 members. The U.S. has 300+ million and 535 people involved with lawmaking, so, obviously, the U.S. has over 10 times the population and not even half the the ‘representatives’ that Iraq has.

And lawmakers like Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) who stated “he ‘prays’ that this country will never be a democracy” (in the McClellan hearing)

Jane, I just read the news about your mom in this post and your others, and I wanted to give you a virtual hug. I am so, so sorry you lost your mom. It sounds from what I’ve read here (and Christy’s post) that you had a very special mom, and it’s such an important relationship, it’s very very tough to go through. I lost my mom ten years ago; she and I had a rather difficult relationship, and still it was very hard to lose her. It’s always hard.

I’m glad that you and your sister had a chance to be with her and talk to her and help her through those last hours. I’m sure that will be a source of comfort to you in the coming time.

My heart goes out to you, Jane. You’re a strong and a courageous woman.

Much sympathy,

Kathy Kattenburg

I just checked… it’s still there… clearly Eve intended to intended to insult a cancer survivor… shocking… not…