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	<title>Comments on: FISA:  Turning Up The Pressure</title>
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		<title>By: frodo82801</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/23/fisa-turning-up-the-pressure/#comment-1511763</link>
		<dc:creator>frodo82801</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FDR as your favorite president? Didn’t he put Japanese Americans into interment camps? I think that’s a far sight worse than FISA.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, there’s the problem of national security vs individual rights. But what about the govt intervention that comes with all of these programs designed to “help” us? Do you really want the govt holding your health information? We’re losing our rights indeed, but look beyond FISA. More govt = less freedom.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The change we need is less govt across the board. Slash away. Then we’ll start to get our rights back.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDR as your favorite president? Didn’t he put Japanese Americans into interment camps? I think that’s a far sight worse than FISA.</p>
<p>Yes, there’s the problem of national security vs individual rights. But what about the govt intervention that comes with all of these programs designed to “help” us? Do you really want the govt holding your health information? We’re losing our rights indeed, but look beyond FISA. More govt = less freedom.</p>
<p>The change we need is less govt across the board. Slash away. Then we’ll start to get our rights back.</p>
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		<title>By: katiejacob</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/23/fisa-turning-up-the-pressure/#comment-1511321</link>
		<dc:creator>katiejacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that’s perfect.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that’s perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/23/fisa-turning-up-the-pressure/#comment-1511053</link>
		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, it’s called “inherent contempt.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it’s called “inherent contempt.”</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/23/fisa-turning-up-the-pressure/#comment-1511042</link>
		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I called Leahy’s office and asked what action he was taking, if any, to stop this bill.  The lady had no answer and connected me to a staffer on the Judiciary Committee.  She referred to the work that Leahy had done on the bill up to this point.  That’s it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I called Leahy’s office and asked what action he was taking, if any, to stop this bill.  The lady had no answer and connected me to a staffer on the Judiciary Committee.  She referred to the work that Leahy had done on the bill up to this point.  That’s it.</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/23/fisa-turning-up-the-pressure/#comment-1510926</link>
		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“This fight is gunna draw the intraparty battle lines for the first two years of the next administration.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is exactly how I see it too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“This fight is gunna draw the intraparty battle lines for the first two years of the next administration.”</p>
<p>This is exactly how I see it too.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/23/fisa-turning-up-the-pressure/#comment-1510818</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you, Christy!&lt;br /&gt;
I used the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=11521981&amp;type=ML&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;form provided by Congress.org&lt;/a&gt; with the following message:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; Recently, the House of Representatives passed a bad bill that would have the effect of granting immunity to telecommunications companies that participated in illegal wiretapping activities. The bill included provisions that seemed to protect civil rights, but in fact set up a blind procedure that accepts at face value presidential assurances of legality, thus depriving the FISC or any other court of oversight review. This has the effect of removing from the courts any review of the legality of the presidential orders, and the culpability of administration officials in approving illegal wiretaps.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Senate is scheduled to consider this legislation soon. I fervently urge that you&lt;br /&gt;
(*) Oppose any bill granting immunity that does not involve full and independent court review of the legality of the orders;&lt;br /&gt;
(*) Oppose any bill that does not include “minimization” assurances comparable to the provisions in the original FISA bill that has been the law for years;&lt;br /&gt;
(*) Oppose any bill that does not include an “exclusivity” provision equal to the provisions in the original FISA bill that has been the law for years;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This issue is of special interest to me. We can have security *without* sacrificing civil rights. The so-called “compromise” bill approved by the House is not really a compromise at all, but caves in to administration demands for retroactive approval of its illegal actions. I will be following your votes on this matter with considerable interest.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oops! I forgot to add that no bill was better than a bad bill, and that as you pointed out, delaying consideration was a good idea.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I share your passion on this subject, and I’m traveling, so I depend on your summaries and recommendations!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;br /&gt;
Temporarily in Madison, WI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Christy!<br />
I used the <a href="http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=11521981&amp;type=ML" rel="nofollow">form provided by Congress.org</a> with the following message:</p>
<blockquote><p> Recently, the House of Representatives passed a bad bill that would have the effect of granting immunity to telecommunications companies that participated in illegal wiretapping activities. The bill included provisions that seemed to protect civil rights, but in fact set up a blind procedure that accepts at face value presidential assurances of legality, thus depriving the FISC or any other court of oversight review. This has the effect of removing from the courts any review of the legality of the presidential orders, and the culpability of administration officials in approving illegal wiretaps.</p>
<p>The Senate is scheduled to consider this legislation soon. I fervently urge that you<br />
(*) Oppose any bill granting immunity that does not involve full and independent court review of the legality of the orders;<br />
(*) Oppose any bill that does not include “minimization” assurances comparable to the provisions in the original FISA bill that has been the law for years;<br />
(*) Oppose any bill that does not include an “exclusivity” provision equal to the provisions in the original FISA bill that has been the law for years;</p>
<p>This issue is of special interest to me. We can have security *without* sacrificing civil rights. The so-called “compromise” bill approved by the House is not really a compromise at all, but caves in to administration demands for retroactive approval of its illegal actions. I will be following your votes on this matter with considerable interest.</p>
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<p>Oops! I forgot to add that no bill was better than a bad bill, and that as you pointed out, delaying consideration was a good idea.</p>
<p>I share your passion on this subject, and I’m traveling, so I depend on your summaries and recommendations!</p>
<p>Bob in HI<br />
Temporarily in Madison, WI</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and i forgot to add, i am asking that each rep and sen be directly asked, how many VOTERS have said, gee, i think the telcos should get immunity……how many? name one..sometimes i get a laugh, others, silence……that this bill has nothing to do with the voters and they should just say that……not one voter i know has said that they want telcos to have immunity, repub or dem.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this is supposed to be a representative government……..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and i forgot to add, i am asking that each rep and sen be directly asked, how many VOTERS have said, gee, i think the telcos should get immunity……how many? name one..sometimes i get a laugh, others, silence……that this bill has nothing to do with the voters and they should just say that……not one voter i know has said that they want telcos to have immunity, repub or dem.</p>
<p>this is supposed to be a representative government……..</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/23/fisa-turning-up-the-pressure/#comment-1510806</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;pmorlan at 223–yep, and same thing for rep charlie wilson, haven’t called his office after his ’yea’ vote yet….i will though, and his local office…….sometimes if you call the local offices you get real aides, wash dc is mostly interns…….i tried to call the local office friday to talk to the one i know, but they were out of the office until monday…….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pmorlan at 223–yep, and same thing for rep charlie wilson, haven’t called his office after his ’yea’ vote yet….i will though, and his local office…….sometimes if you call the local offices you get real aides, wash dc is mostly interns…….i tried to call the local office friday to talk to the one i know, but they were out of the office until monday…….</p>
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		<title>By: pmorlan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/23/fisa-turning-up-the-pressure/#comment-1510774</link>
		<dc:creator>pmorlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s the same BS I got from John Yarmuth’s office. He had voted against FISA in the past and assured me in writing that he would continue to fight…he caved in on Friday when he voted for the Pelosi/Hoyer bill.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s the same BS I got from John Yarmuth’s office. He had voted against FISA in the past and assured me in writing that he would continue to fight…he caved in on Friday when he voted for the Pelosi/Hoyer bill.</p>
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		<title>By: pmorlan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/23/fisa-turning-up-the-pressure/#comment-1510768</link>
		<dc:creator>pmorlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When your party no longer supports the Constitution it’s time to either fight them tooth and nail or find another party. I choose to fight them tooth and nail and to change my voter affiliation to Independent until my Party finds it’s soul again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When your party no longer supports the Constitution it’s time to either fight them tooth and nail or find another party. I choose to fight them tooth and nail and to change my voter affiliation to Independent until my Party finds it’s soul again.</p>
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