Given the extensive coverage of the candidates’ wives appearing on The View, it seems any candidate’s spouse must assure the media that he/she is sufficiently proud of America so as not to disturb the equanimity of those who don’t seem bothered by what’s happened to their country. But if you’re one of those who actually read the news or watched Congressional hearings this week, you’d be anything but proud of what’s being reported.
This week we received further confirmation from the astonishing McClatchy series on Afghanistan detentions that US forces almost indiscriminately rounded up and detained hundreds of people, many of them completely innocent. Many were picked up by mistake, turned over based on misinformation, vendettas or bounties, but authorities had no credible process for screening those they detained. Prisoners were then systematically abused; they were routinely beaten and humiitated by US soldiers and some tortured by US interrogators.
McClatchy also confirmed that the most senior attorneys in the White House, the OVP, DoJ and DoD secretly planned and orchestrated this unlawful detention and interrogation system. They knew the system was outside accepted legal boundaries, that it violated the Geneva Conventions and US laws prohibiting torture. They hid the most abused detainees from the Red Cross, according to Senate discovered documents. Knowing they were authorizing crimes, the cabal conspired to create an extralegal cover, approved by the President, to shield themselves and those who carried out the abuses from criminal liability. Attorneys who protested were transferred. None of these people has been held accountable.
We know that the system created new enemies inside the prisons, and when the horrors inevitably leaked out, they became the basis for recruiting even more enemies across the Muslim world. But none of those responsible for thus endangering American troops and US security has been held accountable.
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Major General Taguba, whom the Pentagon directed to conduct an investigation of the abuses at Abu Ghraib, concluded there was no doubt the Bush Administration had sanctioned and committed war crimes. His conclusions were echoed by Colonel Wilkerson, whom Secretary of State Powell directed to investigate how the Abu Ghraib abuses came about. Wilkerson told the House Judiciary Committee that harsh treatment of detainees had caused at least 25 homicides. [More here (h/t MarieRoget).] In short, two respected military officers ordered to investigate what happened found that senior Administration officials knowingly created a torture regime.
No senior military or civilian official has ever been held accountable for this shameful chapter of American history. Administration officials continue to lie about it to this day. The President and his senior advisers still deny any responsibility, while the President cowardly blames the lowest ranking troops — a "few bad apples."
We know the President and his chief lawyers sanctioned warrantless surveillance practices that were not merely unconstitutional; they were felonies. No one has ever been held accountable. Yet today, the House is expected to vote to give immunity to telecoms who cooperated in these crimes and give the President of the United States, the man primarily responsible for all that has happened, and whom Americans strongly disapprove in record numbers, essentially everything he asked for to spy on Americans without any meaningful oversight.
And so far, we’ve had a dismaying silence from the two men running for President. Where is their leadership? Why should we support them?
Instead of showing endless reruns about which wife is prouder of America, why can’t the media ask our Presidential candidates — and themselves — whether they’re proud of these revelations. Are they proud of the torture and abuses carried out in America’s name? Are they proud of how little Congress did to rein in these actions after they became known? Would they sanction the same criminal behavior if they were President? What should the nation do to hold accountable those who authorized these crimes? How will they make amends and restore America’s honor and shattered reputation?
At a time when many Americans are not feeling particularly proud of their government’s behavior, the media would do well to stop their mindless and insulting preoccupation with spousal pride. You’re embarrassing us; you’re hurting the country.
You’d think the media could respect the fact that many of us are in mourning too; we weep for what our nation has lost lost and may never get back.
Bush pic by comandante aji under a Creative Commons license
Related posts:
- Dick Cheney: I’m Proud I Tortured to Protect Our Country But Not Our Allies
- Health Industry Mogul Rick Scott Still Can’t Explain Billions in Fraud
- Breuer’s Claims about Future Investigations Undermined by Cheney’s Claims about the Past
- Chuck Todd’s Law
- With His Children Still Missing, KSM’s Torture Continues





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Good morning, Scarecrow. Pretty depressing, isn’t it?
morning Scarecrow,
I can answer your question before reading your post
“No!”
now I’ll read.
proud?
no.
disgusted, embarrassed and ashamed?
you bet.
It won’t happen before January but there’s gotta be a way to charge these people with Federal conspiracy charges at the least.
Presidential pardons and free ponies for all Neocons, SD.
McCain is evidently proud of the torture part. Oh, he mouths the words “I’m against torture,” but when it came time to vote, he voted with Bush.
Unfortunately I have to agree with you. Certainly won’t help the Rethug brand in the future, however. Pardons will also make anything they do after leaving the employ of the people highly suspect and their actions in the last 8 years can be thrown in their faces at will. Claiming they were pardoned won’t erase their actions.
And today’s offering from McClatchy is a real winner, too:
One can hope.
Good morning, Scarecrow. BushCo has brought great shame upon our country in so many ways, torture & murder of detainees being paramount.
Antonio Taguba- bravery in & out of the uniform.
For those who’ve not seen it, here is the ACLU report on detainee deaths from ‘05. ACLU exposed what BushCo was authorizing back then. No matter how much people like Haynes squirm & dissemble in hearings, here are the brutal facts via official autopsy reports (warning, some descriptions graphic):
Autopsy Reports Reveal Homicides of Detainees in U.S. Custody
G’morning !
I’m not proud of American Foreign Policy, BushCo or the Dems who are in collusion to erode the Constitution,
which they swore to defend and uphold.
I am very proud of you, the Americans who refuse to accept this transgression and use all legal means to unite
and fight.
Let’s make today the day where Congress gets the most call and faxes. We can win this, if we persevere.
Bush and company have successfully suspended the constitution and many of the laws of nature except absolute power corrupts absolutely.
To support bush you have to turn a blind eye to sodomy of children in front of their parents to get the information we need.
I stopped being proud of this country the day the supreme court ruled the constitution makes for some nice toilet tissue.
The American corporate press is merely a slicker version of Pravda. Americans actually believe there is a legitimate 4th Estate? The corporate media is nothing more than purveyors of American myths (the rugged individual against the world, America is “special” etc.) and conservative propoaganda.
child rape? do you have a link for that?
Another day, another bummer.
I’m exhausted by all the stress.
And, it’s forking hot here in Los Angeles. In June! Didn’t get below 80 all night! It’s hell on earth.
I’m exhausted and sad.
But I’m still breathing, so I’ll still fight against all the injustices.
Coffee will help.
Petrocelli, you’re inspiring. Thanks.
Good Morning Scarecrow and Firedogs -
our country hides people we have wrongly arrested and tortured from the Red Cross ?!?!
um, that would he %@#$$ No! with sprinkles
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Proverbs 16,18
From Jane’s post on the FISA sell out:
Call Steny:
Washington DC: (202) 225-4131
Greenbelt office: (301) 474-0119
Waldorf Office: (301) 843-1577
I’ve called Steny all kinds of things, so I may as well call him on the phone
Yeats sums up our zeitgeist too.
You’re being a sweet girl this morning. :)
Bu’ushCo did a great job of dehumanizing brown people before any of this came to light so the people who bought into the “brown people are bad” crap couldn’t care less what we did, or are doing, to them. A sad commentary on the American public.
I’ve gotten to the point that I have no qualms about saying, “You’re a fucking moron” to their faces when they come up with that crap.
Thank you Bilbo.
Let peace begin with me.
How can I order a heaping helping of humble be sent to the leaders?
morning demi, sorry it’s so hot there.
Had to break out the flannel nightgown here, not complaining!
If we could begin with the old axiom..’God hates the proud’, this could bring real thinking people down to earth. What am I thinking?
That story has been all around the ME … that KSM’s kids were abused in front of him to break his will …
I called Stainy’s office yesterday. The guy who answered and heard my one sentence was rude. Obviously they are not happy that we are making a big deal out of his selling his country out for $100K—the modern day equivalent of 30 pieces of silver. They don’t like people picking up the phone and actually calling them to do anything other than stroke their “egos.”
I hope we really rake it in to go after him. I’ve given my first donation. More will be coming.
I don’t recall where I read it but we have held children as young as 11 in abu ghrub according to the torture hearings this week.
I’m sure if they got 10,000 calls today, they’ll tamp down their tone … let’s make it happen, people !
I’d like to see progressive blogs and news outlets begin to assign reporters, real journalists, to begin covering and reporting on the faux journalists in the corporate press.
iced coffee?
We had a monstrous heat wave 2 weeks ago. It only really broke a couple of days ago. Phoenix is frying (I stream progressive talk on itunes and listen to the Phoenix station to get the line up I prefer to what AAR is broadcasting these days). 116 yesterday and no end in sight. Ouch.
Sonny boy’s graduation this morning. Won’t be wearing flannel. :(
But, he and I are taking the train down to San Diego, after lunch at Olvera Street, so we should at least have a cool weekend.
Woot.
If that’s true that we sexually abused his children…
I’m just disgusted.
another great read scarecrow
my bold is interesting, they are all in fact innocent, none of them have been proven guilty nor can they prove them guilty otherwise they would
I think the proper sentence would be;
“many of them would could easily prove they’ve been framed but are never even given the chance
who would frame these people?
anyone that wanted to make sure their competitors bunsiness closed, anyone who had a personal differance with another person, anyone who was a political oponent, anyone who was another religion
all of these people would be framed, people who could easily prove they are innocent, yet they are never even told why they have been jailed much less tortured”
there, a little verbose but I like it
off to work
Does anyone know what the ActBlue tally is? I know they were shooting for 350 g’s. 500′g’s would catch their attention. I’m going to give again today. Come on dig deep.
but I am proud and I am pretty sure g-d likes me big time
And that would be different from what we do here how?
And Josh Marshall, and Digby, and C&L and Americablog, and MediaMatters, and Glenn . . . . . . .
so far the “real” journalists are so busy trying to put “balance” in every story that I have little, if any, respect left for them.
What’s even more disgusting is this was apparently approved by Bush and his top advisers.
The way Congress is bending over, we will never hear the truth and it will continue to fuel hatred towards American citizens, who do not know what their Gov’t has done.
What I mean is to actually have a real journalist with feet on the ground, recorder in hand, next to the faux journalist confronting him/her at every opportunity.
Holy Cow!
Okay, I’m grateful. Really grateful, oh, Lord. Thank you for air conditioning and electricity and the community pool and for the train tickets to cooler San Diego.
But, Oh Lord, strike something on those who torture people, double for those who torture children. Oh, that’s my job? Right, gotcha.
overnight number was $350,000.00 – am sure it’s gone up by now
The U.S. Gov’t was offering monetary rewards for turning in “terrists” … most of these people were prolly turned in by their in- laws for cold, hard cash.
perris, I hope God likes you better than big time…however. Pride goeth before destruction and an haughty spirit before a fall…Proverbs 16:18.
and of course our Mary is constantly asking what happened to KSM’s children – did we disappear children ?!?!?
almost $244K
page here.
and yesterday the servers weren’t working, so hopefully that will balloon today.
I want autosy reports like these read into the record somewhere, not prettified/excused by Haynes, Beaver, Dalton et al. in some hearing. This is what Taguba is referring to, this & much more we don’t yet know about. Sunlight equals disinfectant:
An Iraqi detainee (also described as a white male) died on January 9, 2004, in Al Asad, Iraq, while being interrogated by “”OGA.”" He was standing, shackled to the top of a door frame with a gag in his mouth at the time he died. The cause of death was asphyxia and blunt force injuries. Notes summarizing the autopsies record the circumstances of death as “”Q by OGA, gagged in standing restraint.”" (Facts in the autopsy report appear to match the previously reported case of Abdul Jaleel.)
A detainee was smothered to death during an interrogation by Military Intelligence on November 26, 2003, in Al Qaim, Iraq. A previously released autopsy report, that appears to be of General Mowhoush, lists “”asphyxia due to smothering and chest compression”" as the cause of death and cites bruises from the impact with a blunt object. New documents specifically record the circumstances of death as “”Q by MI, died during interrogation.”"
Marty Lederman rips a new one on FISA over at Balkinization:
Well, That’ll Show “Em!
I don’t know if I’ve ever been as ashamed of the democratic party as I am now.
I DO feel proud today. We have citizens like those to write, e-mail, call and otherwise contact the Congress. We have people who are willing to do the work of trying to stop this and who are digging deep to give money. That’s America to me – not some slimy critters in DC who sell us out. Let’s keep it up so our children won’t have to do this all over again.
not just the cash -
the McClatchy series is riddled with stories of Gitmo victims who were turned over as a result of tribal jealousy, turf wars, name it -
Great Pundit Roundup.
Says about all there is to say from today’s talking toadies.
Time to shower and get ready for Scotty watching.
I hope it’s a good show.
(standing on chair clapping)
This is our time.
And Yes We Can.
What time will Scottie be testifying? C-span?
Jesus Loves Me…
Hoyer’s mailbox is full. Can’t leave a message at his D.C. office. Keep sending those cards and letters to America’s Judas.
A favorite bumper sticker-
Jesus Loves You. Everyone Else Thinks You’re an Asshole.
Think of Uncle Ho, who never won a battle against US forces but managed to win the war. We can, in our own way, do the same thing. Might take us just as long as it did Ho but we can do it. Never give up.
and from my comment on that thread:
Nice things happen quite often. Read a piece yesterday that Republican women were pulling away from McC. Now that’s nice.
MCA
Sorta OT: I am feeling an overwhelming need to write some strongly worded letters to such entities as NPR and a few teevee stations. Does anyone know where to find the tutorial from a year or so ago (was it by TRex?) about how to write an effective angry letter? I thought I saved it, but I can’t find it. HELP!
This is no different from what the Nazis did! Scope and severity of crimes are enabled and can be increased by the “sounds of silence.” No silent German/American here. I’m proud of the “good” America has done, but detest fascist policy makers who wrap themselves in the flag while ripping off the governed based on lies and misrepresentations while usurping constitutional principles under the “color of law” Remember Gliewitz “W??”
Did anyone else get this in their email box yet? Er. . . that broad coalition she refers to would be, I guess, us. Wake up America!
Ah F* me. This is horrible.
9:30 cpsan3 or stream from the hjc website.
Here’s Christy’s post on it
Letters to the Editor School
OT,
Our esteemed Leader pulled a Katrina by flying not once but four times in Iowa City yesterday.
I wonder if he saw the 53 year old DFH standing on a closed and deserted US HWY 6 giving him the bird.
Guys, for the first time, I can say I feel a little hopeless or maybe just void of something, I don’t know what.
amen!
and may i suggest to the powers that be – thestrangebedfellows.com has a very nice donation badge. would love to see it at the top right of fdl’s webpage. thanks for your consideration.
here’s a list of local media in Steny’s home district
bet most of them have a letters/comment section
in between refreshes, one could ask the good people of MD-5 why their representative is re-gifting The 4th Amendment to Dick Cheney . . .
here is his
Contact
BitchSlap My Worthless Ass page – wonder if that “Majority Leadership” mailbox is full . . .(((mui1)))
don’t know about you, but i’m in mourning.
go to the Search box and type in Correspondence School :D
Meanwhile, the Pentagon today used Michael Gordon, embedded at the NYT, to reveal that the Israelis recently conducted a training exercise that looks like a bombing attack on Iran.
yep, Mourning in America
McClatchy needs to get with the pogrom and serve up more consumer advice and beauty tips and much less hard news.
Good one, JC :->
I hope you smiled, Jim, while the Feds were taking your pic for their DFH files. I always make a point of smiling @ the folks w/cameras when I attend demonstrations so as to have a decent mug shot.
anything g-d didn’t write himself I ain’t buying
as far as I am concerned, that means the ten commandents and everything else is just someone’s opinion
I don’t know if I’ve ever been as ashamed of the democratic party as I am now.
When Obama is elected President, who will the D’s in congress cave in to?
Call 5 congresscritters and chew them out … it sure made me feel better …
Come on, now. We haven’t lost this battle yet. This legislation is just going to allow what has gone on for the last 8 years to continue. If we lose this battle, at some time after January the rules of the game can be changed. We just have to fight a little harder, and meaner, for the next few months. And, if need be, long after that.
I just feel like I am all out of gas or something. Void.
Yes but it seems like we are always at odds on these issues with our own party, not just the republikans. It’s like fixing a house that’s 300 years old and every crack and fissure has some kind of nasty leak.
Christy’s upstairs with Scotty.
listening to c-span 3 “John dean would not be stiff-armed by the White House.” Think we are all being stiffed in the *ss today by creeps!!!
Perfect! That’ll show the Iranians who’s boss I won’t weep for what happens to Israel
And nice of them to get the Straits of Hormuz shut down while starting WW III. Then we can be sooo ever grateful BushCo stockpiled the Strategic Oil reserves. He’ll get a halo for that.
I somewhere heard the police don’t like it when you smile pretty for the camera during a mugshot.
oh, that one is easy. they will:
1) do stupid things to take advantage of their position, privileges and perks.
2) get caught
3) loose congress to the Rs
and then obama can spend the next 6 years caving to the R congress.
see ‘92-’00, clinton administration.
here’s what i don’t know…. and it’s quite an important question….
are we going to do the ’90s redux and spend all of our time defending obama from baseless or stupid attacks, or are we going to work to hold the dems accountable and ONLY defends those dems who defend us and our values?
24% approval rating? feh. Might as well be 124% JAR, given the behavior of the D leadership.
There is no excuse for cowardice.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
Theodore Roosevelt, “Man in the Arena” Speech given April 23, 1910
Democracy requires constant vigilance.
Some days are tougher than others but if our will is broken, we lose all of our liberties as do our children.
one of my favorite fdl quotes – jane’s
and it doesn’t look like much considering what she’s capable of but doggone if it’s profundity doesn’t hit me on an almost daily basis -
“this crap will take years to unravel”
As a supporter of Sen. Obama, I find his silence on FISA deafening.
Very disappointed he is not taking the lead in fighting this, and in his support of the Blue Dog I read about yesterday.
Nobody said it was gonna be easy. We’ve got 50+ years of entrenched mindset to overcome. Want to see just how entrenched this mindset is? Read Chalmers Johnson’s “The Sorrows of Empire. Militarism, Secrecy and the End of the Republic.” In essence we are trying to overthrow an empire. Without violence.
“The only easy day was yesterday.”
i’m not suggesting giving up. but i neither am i going to pretend this is less important that it is to me.
(bows) Konnichiwa, SouthernDragon
Fuck ‘em.
That’s exactly what the Romans who believed in the Republic said after the rise of Julius Ceasar.
makes us wonder and bite our nails
Ach! Weh mir.
with sprinkles on top
And Jane’s word – chickenshittery.
very wise.
Can we take that back and spit three times the Chinese way, please?
His staff was allegedly going over the FISA bill Thursday evening … Obama had better make a statement today …
Hoyer’s D.C. line is open. Give him both barrels.
It has been done before, with perseverance …
It’s all important. Problem is there’s so much crap to overcome it can seem overwhelming at times. One target at a time. We’re playing our own version of Whack-a-Mole here. We’re smarter than they are. They just happen to have the power right now. Frustrating, tiring and winable (sp?).
Is there a source/link for that information.
we can do even better than that – we can think about how we want to answer the question.
oh lordy –
tough sledding there – so many of the folks participating at his site are starry eyed newbies . . .and simply don’t understand
what he’s not doing
the power he now has as head of our Party
and the vestigial effects of the primaries – anyone criticizing him is an embittered HRC troll – oy
and what in bloody hell is up with those rather large crickets over at HuffPo ?!?!?
a test he really must pass as far as I am concerned
The McClellan hearing is about to start. Christ has a live-blog post ready upstairs.
I read about it here
… Obama had better
make a statementpublicly issue a directive todayYou’ll pardon me for being supersitious: if you state things in the negative, its bad luck. Chinese tradition: spit three times then state it in the positive.
Uh, actually, that’s Christy who has the post. Jesus is probably watching CSPAN.
That little Indian guy, what the hell was his name? Oh, yeah, Gandhi. If he could do it, so can we.
I wouldn’t want this to get to the point where we hang the FISA capitulation around Obama’s neck …
Christ is posting here now? Man, we got ‘em now!!
ah, well if it helps – will do so immediately.
why not? why not hang it around every person’s neck who could have acted and didn’t?
Or in the Western tradition, we might light a special candle for a special congresscritter.
How ironic they schedule the vote to eviscerate the 4th Amendment falls on the same day of the McClellan testimony before the HJC.
@120 Of course, Scarecrow might have some advice about lambs.
Yeppur.
Thanks, cbl2, I actually had it bookmarked and had forgotten, but was looking for a file where I had saved only the instructions. I was actually remembering this post:
Late Nite FDL: Home Security By Strunk and White
And FWIW, I found it using Google, because the search on FDL brought up 700+ posts, nearly all of which must be useless…I didn’t take time to read thru all of them.
i called Steny’s DC office, the woman answering was pleasant – i was polite and wished her well.
I will call a few offices today, I will say;
“why do you want telecoms to keep intellectual property they have stolen, and if they have used information to help the administration blackmail lawmakers, why do you want them to get away with that?
Ever come across a news item about a horrid application of technology, think you’ve bookmarked it, and later come to discover that you can’t find it in your bookmarks and can’t seem to come up with the right search terms to find it on the web? I did. Very recently, though, I got the search terms right and found Mobile Labs to Target Iraqis for Death by Robert Parry at Consortiumnews.com.
I hope the biometric-data lab-in-a-box has not been deployed for the purpose of facilitating summary executions, and won’t be.
Link correction try:
Mobile Labs to Target Iraqis for Death