Oh, the excitement, the goosepimples…the snitching. You know, I could have been just a wee bit more excited about all these revelations if McClellan had bothered to (a) make them all public at a time when they would have done the country some good (as in while the lying may have been occurring within the White House instead of well after the fact); and (b) if I were confident that he’d called out the alleged false statements and collusion from Libby, Rove and others while the grand jury was still meeting and had been honest with Patrick Fitzgerald — fully and completely honest — from the get go. But maybe that’s just me.
Take note, Democrats in the House: this man used to be the Bush/Cheney Administration’s mouthpiece, which now wants you to trust it enough to sign off on a FISA deal to cover it’s asses by giving telecoms immunity from ever having to be honest with you or the public about what they were asked to do. Feeling trust now? (Do read this piece from Ari Melber in The Nation. Feel like making a few calls for the rule of law?)
Time and The Hill have intro pieces up on potential lines of inquiry for today’s Scottie testimony. But if you want the real scoop, read Marcy. The hearing is set to begin at 9:30 am ET. We’ll be liveblogging to the best of our ability once it starts. C-Span3 will be broadcasting live as well. Get yer coffee at the ready…
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9:30 am ET — McClellan entering the committee room, shaking hands with members of the committee. Will be underway in a little bit. Conyers and Lamar Smith having some sort of spirited discussion off mike before things get going. Crazy media camera frenzy to start — you can hear the shutters going off on the C-Span feed as background noise.
9:35 am ET — Conyers bringing the committee to order. Mike and Jane Tigar, counsel for the witness, are present. Many commentators have noted that this testimony is the most important of the Administration. Talking about Nation article talking about how the Administration played fast and loose with information taking the nation to war, and how McClellan’s book brings this to light. Gets into destroying the reputation of Amb. Joe Wilson and his wife, former CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson.
When the Administration uses its immense power to silence dissenters, Congress must check and balance an errant executive branch. McClellan’s book says that there was a selective release of classified information to reporters to rebut the Wilson story. Highlights that McClellan brings up information about facts and actions which go beyond what Libby was convicted of — that McClellan said he wouldn’t vouch for illegal behavior, talking about the Card conversation with McCLellan — give Libby the same assurances that you gave Karl after conversations between President and Veep.
Showing the notes from Cheney that were used at Libby trial regarding press treatment of Scooter being same as Rove. The "meat grinder" note from Cheney. Walking through the rationale of why getting to the bottom of what happened within the WH at the highest levels with this. Conyers says he wants interview reports and unredacted interview reports of top level WH officials from DOJ — the Justice Dept. has been less cooperative, has refused to give them access to even redacted materials that the oversight committee of Congress had already seen.
Look forward to hearing from McClellan on role of President and Veep. The issue of a pardon for Libby is still outstanding, even with the commutation already issued. Will explore this as well.
Talking about bi-partisan spirit of the committee. And now recognizing Lamar Smith.
LAMAR SMITH: Welcome to the next book of the month club meeting. Makes an Ann Coulter joke. Hard to take anything McClellan says seriously — points to the three intel reviews which said that the WH didn’t force intel into its own corners. Spin at the WH? Please…what WH hasn’t had spin. Motives are important — what we don’t know are McClellan’s motives. [CHS notes: And the GOP theme is set...welcome to the rip down of your reputation, Scott.] How much influence did a biased editor have on the product. [CHS notes: oh jeebus, Smith is bringing up George Soros. Wingnut heads explode nationwide.]
Who is the real Scott McClellan? blah blah blah blah selling out friends for pieces of silver blah blah blah blah giving McClellan the out to say he was manipulated by an extremely partisan editor with an agenda blah blah blah blah
McClellan’s counsel objects to Lamar Smith. It’s disallowed.
Conyers introduces evidence into the record that he used during his opening. Giving intro information on McClellan. Putting him under oath.
MCCLELLAN: Here today at your invitation to discuss the Plame investigation. I was silenced by the WH ostensibly because of the criminal investigation. I made a commitment to talk to the public about what I knew during that time, and that is part of why I wrote the book. The WH has tried to obfuscate on this — sadly they remain silent, and the result has been to increase the poisoned atmosphere in Washington. The scandal culture is being perpetuated by keeping all of this from public scrutiny.
Calls on President to lead on this issue. He should put nation’s interest above partisan goals. This is about power and electoral victory — government becomes an object of campaigning, not vice versa. Too often, the media unwittingly ignores the impact of decisions on people, and concentrates instead on the inside scoop of beltway ins and outs.
My critics suck. [CHS paraphrasing here.]
My book reflects the ideal of loyalty that I think is appropriate: loyalty to the government for the people and to the truth of how things happened. Not loyalty to a party or power. It was wrong to reveal Plame’s identity because it compromised the identity of a covert individual and an investigation important to national security. That was wrong.
CONYERS QUESTIONS: Asks about the providing assurances for Libby as he did for Rove. Andy Card asked him — Scott said Libby had to give him the same assurances that Rove had given him personally. Got ont he phone with Libby, Scooter told him point blank that he had not been involved in leaking Plame’s identity to reporters — told him that point blank. Conyers asks about President and Veep’s knowledge. Scott doesn’t think that the President had direct knowledge of this at that time — had numerous conversations with President about this at that time. As for Cheney? Doesn’t know, but there is a lot of suspician there — Fitz put it exactly that way.
Does not think a pardon would be appropriate for Libby, under the standards by which Bush has always granted them in the past. No public remorse, no making amends to society.
SMITH QUESTIONS: Who suggested title of book? McClellan said he talked with publisher and others about it — and they agreed on title. Received $75,000.00 advance on the book, and receives small amount on book sales as well once he earns out advance. Going over political leanings of one of the editors.
Smith says speculating on what Rove and Libby talked about — McClellan says he told the truth about what he knew and what he saw, but doesn’t know what all of their conversations were about. Smith asking about whether Armitage was the original leaker of Plame’s name? McClellan says not really — Armitage’s leak to Novak was the first time any reporter printed her name, but Rove, Libby and Ari Fleischer leaked her name to at least 6 reporters around town prior to Novak’s publication. Lamar Smith tried to keep him from talking about this and McClellan talks over him.
Interruption from Lungren to change the subject to FISA for a minute. Conyers gets back to the hearing.
NADLER: Do you know when the president gave instruction to cover Libby’s rear end, did he know about Libby’s involvement? Scott didn’t know that. Found out that Rove and Libby had leaked around the time it was about to be reported in the media. Any steps taken to conduct an internal exam on the leak? WH provided information to DOJ, but his understanding was that the WH was not doing any of that. Commutation of Libby’s sentence? Scott says since President said anyone who was involved would be fired and justice served — says commutation not in that spirit. Was commutation of Libby a part of keeping the facts quiet about this? Scott says he does not know that, but there were a lot of suspicions raised. Apologize for character assassination earlier.
You talk about the lead-up to Iraq being a sophisticated political propaganda campaign. Says it was a marketing campaign — used this to take the nation to war, sold the nation on the premise that Iraq was a grave and gathering danger. It was overstated, overpackaged — in the way the intel was used. They were ignoring caveats and information about the facts, and downplaying reports on this being a bad decision. They ignored contradictory information. When you ignore the risks and costs of going to war, which we did, that’s wrong.
COBLE QUESTIONS: Troubled about the staging on the Iraq build-up. Has some doubts about whether Libby should have been prosecuted. What were your thoughts when you learned about Armitage revealed her identity? Scott says he can’t speak to that other than what has been revealed during the trial — he feels that all of the information should have gone out immediately on who di what when her identity was revealed. The WH has refused to be honest about all of this, and that’s why we are here today.
Three votes on the journal ordering the question on the rule. Have a child abuse vote, a vote on another House Res., and on the FISA bill. Stand in recess until those matters are covered, and will resume after this has been completed.
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Steny Hoyer is a tool.
T-
Hi Redd.
Here :)
Popcorn, check!
Live feed, check!
Outrage, check!!!!!
I thought everyone would get a kick out of the picture selected for today. *g*
Good morning, Christy. This could be an interesting day – It’s early for popcorn, but coffee will do.
Here, too. :0)
even i’m up for this ;o)! not quite up on things legal but the drama is worth a look see for sure….. ‘morning all :o)
LOL :)
Like anticipation before a Bruins vs Habs game! Blood as soon as the puck drops??? For hockey fans remember how Claude Lemieux curled into a ball after Kieth K of the Coyotes tried to seek retribution for Claude’s “from behind drilling Chris Draper jaw into the dasher in the Stanley Cup finals,” the first game of the next season!!! Maybe Scott is a real American and wants retribution like Kieth K tried to inflict of the less than honorable Claude Lemieux opposed to the great Mario Lemeuix, a class act by any standard!
Scotty is in the room… (CSpan3)
Call Steny Hoyer’s office! Let the Judas know how America feels.
Call Steny:
Washington DC: (202) 225-4131
Greenbelt office: (301) 474-0119
Waldorf Office: (301) 843-1577
I am expecting an attorney from the administration to appear to invoke some priviledge
we will see
Don’t forget to contribute to ActBlue. Getting close to $350 g’s. Let’s shoot for 500 g’s. That will get their attention in the cesspool.
For those who want to do stupid chatting parallel to the thread and take some pressure off the servers go to the gabbly.
We used this during the Libby trial and it runs parallel to the FDL thread if you check the box that shows a verticle column in it. Multi-tasking at it’s best.
oh wow!! look at all the press….. too bad press doesnt cover fisa, torture, erosion of civil liberties as closely…..
oh, and it works better on Firefox than on Safari.
I think the whole FISA tragedy was timed specifically for today because of the bright shiny Scotty – adjusts freshly blocked tinfoil cowgirl hat
Thank you for the reminder, Deb. Windcatpond is also available for (Heaven forbid it) any down time or server overtaxing.
Going to radio silence now to help servers…
Here we go. Hope Scottie drops a big one.
yep. But we are great at multi-tasking here. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Good Morning Christy – thanks for this
and call/email/fax pelosi and obama and dodd and your own rep and senators.
speak for yourself :)
One kudo to Conyers so far. The quote he quoted stated that Bush ”selective authorized the leak of ’classified information’.”
Booya!!! They got the meat-grinder note up!!!!
((((( Loo Hoo )))))
Do you have any numbers to post for Pelosi, Obama et al?
Good morning Christy. And all the pups. Donuts and coffee and assorted fruits on the kitchen island for all.
Let us have some truth this sunny am with our breakfast, please?
So Conyers has been sitting on all of this stuff just waiting . . . . now what?
ah, we’re supposed to be distracted by scottie? if that is the case, then we can predict that there will be at lease some interesting revelations. and here i was convinced it would be another disappointment.
And away we go….
O of J…obstruction of watergate
Conyers has been reading emptywheel… Calls for the release of the FBI reports on the Bush Cheney interviews.
pelosi:
dc congressional office:
(202) 225-4965
(202) 225-8259 (fax)
sf office:
(415) 556-4862
speaker’s office:
(202) 225-0100
toll free numbers (H/T to Katymine):
1 (800) 828 – 0498
1 (800) 459 – 1887
1 (800) 614 – 2803
1 (866) 340 – 9281
1 (866) 338 – 1015
1 (877) 851 – 6437
Sounds like just one of Kucinich’s “35 Articles” of impeachment?
yea im proud
my my my and dont you look purty lol
Pelosi’s Speaker’s office phone:
202-225-0100
Obama
202-228-5417
i continue to love you muchly
looks like MSNBC may cover Scotty’s testimony live
they are talking over Chairman Conyers opening statement
Does Conyers ever follow up with action or does he just talk and issue an occassional subpoena (that is then ignored of course!)?
Scott looks serious. Wonder what he’s thinking.
Morning, Petrocelli.
well see
Lamar Smith is such a card
Lamar Smith already being an a*****e.
And my most abject apologies to all for the Execrable Lamar Smith (unfortunately, my supposed “Representative”)
Lamar Smith ..=Nazi type
arrogant pompous fool!
Bush mouthpiece
Texans for TORTURE
When they can’t argue the merits they go to character assassination
That’s all they’ve got.
plaid shirt type
yeeeup!
but at least it’s on the record so when the future looks back at how it went so horribly wrong…
Sounds like Lamar Smith has an open mind./s
Teabaggers for Tyranny :D
i loathe these scum sukkkkerz
Scratch a Texas Republican and you’ll find a fascist screaming to get out.
Would that we could go through a hearing without a rethug butt-flying monkey taking up precious time with pro-Bu$h ramblings.
So now we know, Republicans will attack McClellan’s credibility – not ask any questions about the White House.
George Soros??? WTF?
Get the hook!
I think Lamar Smith is aactually helping our cause. He’s pissing off Scottie mightily.
“g” yea and kicks his dog i bet
yopu so smart,hahahaahahahahahaha
we will see THE REAL SCOTT mCc
yes, very holey
The repukes may just piss Scotty off enough today, to encourage him to open his entire can of worms. I hope.
THAT was you so smart
George Soros, an Elder of Zion, is speaking his words through McClellan’s mouth!
“he will have to answer to his own conscience.” That’s what he’s doing, Lamar!
Lamar “Ad Hominem” “Smith”
…as brownshirts attacked Jews, no merit!
me too
omg
the infamous “Judas” reference. For telling the truth, he gets this!?
Being pissed at being mocked by Rove et al for so long was the ,ain reason he wrote the book he did, but I wonder if we’ll get anything new and of substance.
After Lamar Smith’s vicious statement, if I were Scotty, I would just stand up and say….they did it, they told me, and you can go Cheney yourself Lamar.
Did you see the look on Scottie’s face ? Wexler looks p*ssed as well.
Expect leading questions from the Dems to uncover some juicy tidbits …
Little boots =Hey Seuss
It is nevah too early for popcorn. Popcorn for breakfast is the best. Dare we hope there are other snitches queuing up to blow BushCo’s cover? More important still, will MSM do journalism? Reading on, because there are now 27 more comments. Booyah!
Good Morning Firepups!
Thank you Marcy for showing Conyers the game plan again!!
If you close your eyes, you can’t tell the difference between John Conyers and Joe Lieberman.
Shorter Lamar Smith: Poppycock anyone ?
you start me off with a 707 …thanks
The repukes may just piss Scotty off enough today, to encourage him to open his entire can of worms. I hope.
That was my thought too, as Alexander was calling him everything but a … umm, ‘honest’ man.
popcorn puleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzze
I’m hoping.
Scottie’ quoting PatFitz almost directly.
silent and silence…….
[wink]
huh?
Is Scotty sworn in?
come on Scotty – grow a pair, Stat!!
yes.
Hope it’s more than just tidbits. Hope it’s a big juicy bone that America can chew on.
go Scottie!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes.
Buttoned up his jacket before he did it. Still the press secretary, that Scottie.
sounds like his lawyer wrote it
No need to be sworn in. Lying is a crime even if you’re not sworn in.
Calling out the media.
scotty is pissed!!
Hi IS sworn in.
Absolutely no evidence that Congress believes this.
well ALRIGHT….boooooooooooooooya
“loyalty to the Constitution”
what a concept?
i played a roll
Washington’s Farewell address warnings combined with Jefferson’s fears for the republic are the issues today!
There’s still the psychological impact of swearing in, no matter if lying to Congress in general is a crime.
And lying under oath is that much more of a crime.
Otherwise, why would KKKarl be so resistant to testifying under oath?
role?
Scooty Libber???
lol
Note the word choice: McClellan used the language from the meat-grinder note.
and Little Boots and puppetmaster
buh bye Chenois
Ollie protecting Reagan ???
uh ohhh bushco dog on the attack…….
Nice. Scooter’s going to be cranky about McClellan’s statement about pardon.
Does LS have a REAL question?
So if Bush pardons Libby, it will go against his history of pardons.
repug talking points
Here comes attack dog Lamar!
Attack title, preamble to attack the messenger. Of course it’s publisher’s fault. $$ you just want to get rich!
o/t
FISA LIVE
currently voting on procedural question
but scott’s handling him well
SCOTTY is good
Smith makes a good point wrt rove and Scooter being behind closed doors and that Scotty can only guess at what they were talking about.
I was always concerned about that point…
Yes, “Will I inherit the Crawford
EstateRanch after Jan. 21st, 2009 ?bastards! Of course they are doing these at the same time. Stainy planned it that way.
ahh – scott’s surprised me but not taking his guff
wasnt Judy,Judy,Judy involved also?
No internal investigation of the leak.
No kidding!
Hah ! Nadler smacks Lamar across the chops …
Booyah, Nadler! Took good shot at those impugning Scotty’s reasons for book. SMACK!!
hahahahahahahahaha character assassination
Nadler smacks down LS with a 4×4!
Oh SNAP! Jerry Nadler just apologized to Scottie for the “other committee members casting aspersions on his truthfulness here.”
Scotty is a wealth of knowledge today
Good Morning all.
Is this going to work??? having FISA AND Scotty concurrently? eep.
I realize they’ll suspend the Scotty hearing to go vote, but one committee member wondered if they’d be free to go debate, & Conyers assured him he was free to go do that, but it was clear the hearing would continue during Fisa debate. This is unnerving. Although, with Steny having wrapped the FISA up with a big red bow, mebbe there’s no way debate will make any difference anyway, dang.
Thank you for the “character assassination” remark.
Short Coble.
“I’m an idiot.”
Who is the guy who believes in everything including the tooth fairy?
hmmm – coble is interesting ehhhhh
Armitage Armitage Armitage … we’re going to hear this throughout.
I apologize for Howard Coble.
Coble has doubts that Libby should have been prosecuted? Oy!
yup…..i believe what they TELL me to believe
gee. thanks for translation. heh.
FISA – lull after procedural vote – Hoekstra humping Cheney’s leg
boy WHERE in NC does this morrrran hail from…this is elected time and again
Aha, Conyers is not letting Stainy get away with the head fake. recessing to go to FISA
Conyers: suspend, recess, resume
lmao!!
recess for FISA deebate whew
Could there be surprise knives in Congress today?
Scheduling of the FISA vote on the day Scottie was to testify was just another example of providing cover to the Administration.
I hope everyone will take a moment to post on the Ari Melber FISA piece on HuffPo. Evidently a lot of people at HuffPo are unaware of what’s going on.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..08207.html
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
let’s hope we get a vote that declines this bill
Greensboro, Asheboro, High Point, Salisbury, Graham
wherever those places are.
I just got off the phone from my rep. voting no on fisa and to support impeachment….again…
Sure looks that way …
For those wondering earlier, and relying only on audio, Scotty WAS sworn in, but he was standing, and his mike was turned off, so that’s why you might not have heard him.
I had to go cook breakfast for my daughter (who believes in the tooth fairy but admits to not planning very well on how to spend the money) … how long until I can get a YouTube on Nadler’s time?
but it seems that Conyers isn’t falling for it. I hope.
FISA /CSpan link
Earlier today Rep. Michael Arcuri D. New York was speaking on behalf of the FISA bill and he thanked Hoyers & Conyers. What has Conyers been up to?
WTF!!! mika mika mika – ron christy? and she feeds him a softball line!!
Major, US oil companies just sign oil agreements with Iraq, the motive while, Scott identifies the the WH cover-up of false intelligence and fabrications to justify a pre-emptive military invasion to protect America after 911. Sounds just like Gliewitz to me! Joe Wilson raises questions concerning the decision to go to War on questionable intelligence and his wife is outed. No conspiracy here folks. No impeachable offenses here. I wonder if at the end of WWII the German People felt different after learning about fabricated Gliewitz Incident and the subsequent invasion of Poland, to protect Germany from Polish saboteurs??
What????????? Arcuri’s my rep and he has never let me down.
Those poor people! Do they realize what an ignorant fossil they have “representing” them?!
I’m sure the neighbors think I’m nuts for yelling at the TV.
FYI — for folks who can’t watch at work, C-Span says that they will replay the hearing in its entirety this evening at 8 pm ET.
It sounded to me like Conyers was giving Hoyer a big slap. “OK, we started this hearing, but we’re not going to sit here while you gut the constitution . . .”
This could be a lengthy break in this hearing.
Note to any lurkers in Indinapolis: Please call Congressman Andre Carson’s office (202) 225-4011.
His aide said he’s going to listen to the debate to “see which way the wind is blowing” before deciding how to vote.
Not good enough, obviously. Pressure, please!
Sure sign of a true progressive! Yellers Anonymous Inc.
Sorry.
Can some of you lawyer types call into CSpan and give Hoekstra a smackdown for the rest of us ?
I’m a proud member of that organization!
cbl2 at 161. Bless yer heart! Thanks!
Yes what a deal c-span 2 and 3 now part of upgraded cable packages where you have to pay even more to have access or an additional $40.00 plus dollars a month for internet access using the same cable… go figure!!
Pity not only for the interruptions due to the votes, but, more importantly, the quality of the questioning. This must be one of — if not THE — worst committee in the House: Chuckleheads on one side, scoundrels on the other. Lamar Smith, from my native state, was a charter member of Boss Tom DeLay’s old posse. Enough said there and Howard Coble (of NC) is perfectly senile. On the Dem side, poor old Conyers can barely get through an opening statement; and the rest of the team are mostly sad disappointments. Makes you yearn for Sheldon Whitehouse or Russ Feingold.
Really. Lying dog.
wind blows my ass – maybe he should check out his grandmother’s record – idiot !!
as Arnewld sez…Ill be back
Got my coffee, but no sound on my computer so thank you so much for doing this !!
What his Ouija board was broken?
gargantuan crickets chirping on FISA all day yesterday
be patient,its just begonnong hope Scotty has taste testers for lunch
maybe he should check out his grandmother’s record –
Good point.
One which I brought up during my call, btw.
yes that was beginning
Happy to meet ya. I’m Adie and I yell at my tv. Or, more correctly, I used to until I got megastrong toobz with stand-alone player to tuck in the corner of the monitor while I read the comments. ;->
Go Reps Go ! They’re trotting their #1 talking point … “The Dems wanted this bill”
Why is the FISA debate closed? (per Hoekstra)
Yeah, tell me about it. HuffPo is seriously lacking in any coverage of FISA. So if you only went to their website you wouldn’t know about it.
traitors ..in a single word
you betcha!
Teabagger Hoekstra – Bi-Partisan ! Bi-Partisan ! Bi-Partisan !!!
Oh yeah, at first I thought the picture said “Free Manicure.” I thought Scott really was in a new line of work.
LOL. Happy to meet you too. I yell at the TV, the radio and my computer!
I just spoke to Doggett’s Austin office. Nice lady didn’t know if there was going to be a filibuster of this atrocity or not. He will be voting against it, though.
I wish Lloyd were still my rep. F*ck you, Tom Delay!
a gift wrapped package from Stainy
quick ot, is Barak in DC today?
Loved your comment @ 56 … well worth the ‘Oatmeal through the nose mishap’ …
Gee isn’t it nice of cspan to put on lying Hoekstra just before the FISA debate. I wonder if they have a Dem against FISA coming up next?
No filibusters in the House.
If i lived about 20 miles west of here, i’d be able to call his office with glee to let his staff know exactly what i think of his idiocy. As it is, it’s bad enough with his pal Ehlers as my rep here in Grand Rapids, MI.
That’s gotta hurt.
Doubt it. Wasn’t yesterday.
given what’s been happening lately, they’ll get Kucinich so he won’t be taken seriously.
D’oh.
heh. *Republican* from Indiana calls in to bitch about the FISA bill and GWB in general.
Indiana’s in play this November, I tell ya.
#197 is Barak in DC today?
doesn’t really matter – he *could* make the appropriate speech from wherever he is…
This Guy needs to hear from all of us on FISA – Steny couldn’t pull this off without his ascent
he’s also a total chickenshit and easily sweats over a few phonecalls – jes sayin’
suggested talking points -
Why are you giving Dick Cheney EVERYTHING he’s asked for ?
I understand this legislation says all Telco’s have to do is show a note from WH that it was legal – without every having to prove it’s legality
Yes means what on this vote?
. . . and get a bunch of cameras in front of him while he does so, with a bunch of cable tv news editors ready to replay the best parts in a continuous loop, no matter what he says.
Instead, all I’m hearing is *crickets*
Lamar is a traitorous ass O
because the democrats on the house rules commitee wrote the rule that way. they also limited “debate” to one hour each “side” and passage requires only a simple majority.
and then, cowards that they are, the house rules committee passed this rule out of committee yesterday in “emergency” session by a voice vote.
End debate on troubled teens(?).
Married 15 years with 2 kids and tons of in- laws … am impervious to pain … *g*
Do you think it was a grueling experience? :)
sadly no, Congressman Reyes is a traitorous ass -
just got off the phone with his office – “yes he’s in favor of this legistlation”
You’re probably right. I’ll tell you one thing Nader is looking better and better by the minute. I really hate that we have to vote against Nader just so we don’t end up with McCain. And I say that as someone who never voted for Nader. But it’s painfully obvious that Obama is NOT the man that his worshippers claim. I’m sad and I’m ANGRY.
… or HoJo, who’ll say this doesn’t go far enough to protect America …
*One* fucking hour of debate on the FISA bill.
Head – meet wall.
You people need to pay attention. I can’t beleive that you are bothering with this stuff. I am watching MSNBC’s coverage of the Naomi Campbell court case in London. Don’t you know whats important?
It oat to be.
“please, sir can I have some more?”
He’s weak as water, weak as water.
the fisa bill is:
H.R. 6304 – The “FISA Amendments Act of 2008”
the fisa house rule is:
H.RES. 1285
quick but sincere apololgies for the FISA o/t – didn’t realize Conyers hearing was back on – back to radio silence and gabbly
Groan.
Is it too early for a Sidewinder’s Fang?
… and here I was, showing restraint … *g*
Sure, as long as it doesn’t go against the grain :)
c-span is repeating the first part of the hearing while the hjc is in temp recess
Chimpy on cspan1 re fisa
no.
Is it too early for a Sidewinder’s Fang?
Not today, it isn’t.
As your attorney, I advise you to begin drinking heavily.
It’s 5 o’clock somewhere
I don’t think it is back on. I think you are watching what happened earlier.
This is
serialcereal assassination !Chimpy gloating on Cspan
is anyone liveblogging FISA ?
Glenn ?, Marty ? Kos ?
oops – CSpan just quoted an AP story.
*Now* they’re in trouble…
I think there’s a kernel of truth in your observation.
WTF? New Rules For Troubled Dems ?
You’re milking this for all its worth.
Christy just set up a thread upstairs.
I noted the same thing, McClatchy ’s where to find the truth.
here’s from the fdl newsbox
Yes, but perhaps I ‘d better stop for now before someone bowls over.
FISA – It’s on…
For one fucking hour…
fresh Christiness upstairs
Cheerios then
correction: the debate on fisa is limited to 1 hour in total, (not 1 hour, as i had written above). 30 minutes each side.
have i mentioned recently how much i despise the democratic leadership in congress?
Glenn’s got a new piece up at Salon.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
Here is what I posted at Glenn’s blog earlier this morning:
Read Them and Weep
“When they saw that we were unified in sending that bill rather than falling for their scare tactics, I think it sent them a message,” said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). “So our leverage was increased because of our Democratic unity in both cases.”
“I think the White House got a better deal than even they had hoped to get,” said Senator Christopher S. Bond, Republican of Missouri, who led the negotiations.
Sen. Russ Feingold, a member of the Select Committee on Intelligence, said the deal announced Thursday on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act “is not a compromise. It is a capitulation.”
“The lawsuits will be dismissed,” Representative Roy Blunt of Missouri, the No. 2 Republican in the House, predicted with confidence
Only Democrats think by acting like wimps they look strong.
They are not leaders but Quislings! Traitors are deserving of a traitors fate.
Is Conyers going to take up the entire half hour ?
Never Mind !
Thanks for letting us know!
When does the Democratic leadership in Congress codify the Unitary Executive to make the dictatorship official? The Congress is going the way of the Reichstag circa 1933.
Mine, too, Solai – and my husband and I have been calling and writing and faxing him religiously this week – WTF???? If he votes for this PIC, he’s going to hear from me, that is for sure.
Did Hoyer and Reyes schedule the FISA vote at this very moment to disrupt Conyers??
We sure ended up- with a bunch of losers chairing and leading much of our party.
Nice to see that even Scottie isn’t buying the “Armitage was the original leaker” talking point.
I also think that the “Scottie’s left wing editor wrote the book and put words in his mouth” talking point is a non-starter. He’s sitting right there saying the same damn thing that’s in the book.
Yes, when he was trying to answer but getting talked over, he said that her name had been linked to other reporters “before” Armitage leaked to Novak…but it got lost in the barrage from the Puke…and the Puke tried to spin what he was saying by saying that Novak was the first to publish it, ignoring what McC was trying to say.
I also have bad feeling about whose side our new Congresswoman Donna Edwards of Maryland will vote with – the old Hoyers hard liner war mongers or the newer Progressive Democrats.
Pay attention Democrats. This is last call on who sleeps with who in our party!
Jane Harmon – doing the right thing to save her own ass.
Professor Jonathan Turley of Georgetown has expressed deep disappointment repeatedly at the deceit shown by the Democratic leaders – who knew all along exactly what they were doing.
Notice most of those who support FISA are the same hard liners who refused to support Obama and his more balanced foreign policy..
Skelton, Harmon Reyes, Hoyer and counting..
Did Lamar Smith really say this?!? Over-the-top.