Oh, the excitement, the goosepimples...the snitching. You know, I could have been just a wee bit more excited about all these revelations if McClellan had bothered to (a) make them all public at a time when they would have done the country some good (as in while the lying may have been occurring within the White House instead of well after the fact); and (b) if I were confident that he'd called out the alleged false statements and collusion from Libby, Rove and others while the grand jury was still meeting and had been honest with Patrick Fitzgerald -- fully and completely honest -- from the get go. But maybe that's just me.
Take note, Democrats in the House: this man used to be the Bush/Cheney Administration's mouthpiece, which now wants you to trust it enough to sign off on a FISA deal to cover it's asses by giving telecoms immunity from ever having to be honest with you or the public about what they were asked to do. Feeling trust now? (Do read this piece from Ari Melber in The Nation. Feel like making a few calls for the rule of law?)
Time and The Hill have intro pieces up on potential lines of inquiry for today's Scottie testimony. But if you want the real scoop, read Marcy. The hearing is set to begin at 9:30 am ET. We'll be liveblogging to the best of our ability once it starts. C-Span3 will be broadcasting live as well. Get yer coffee at the ready...
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9:30 am ET -- McClellan entering the committee room, shaking hands with members of the committee. Will be underway in a little bit. Conyers and Lamar Smith having some sort of spirited discussion off mike before things get going. Crazy media camera frenzy to start -- you can hear the shutters going off on the C-Span feed as background noise.
9:35 am ET -- Conyers bringing the committee to order. Mike and Jane Tigar, counsel for the witness, are present. Many commentators have noted that this testimony is the most important of the Administration. Talking about Nation article talking about how the Administration played fast and loose with information taking the nation to war, and how McClellan's book brings this to light. Gets into destroying the reputation of Amb. Joe Wilson and his wife, former CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson.
When the Administration uses its immense power to silence dissenters, Congress must check and balance an errant executive branch. McClellan's book says that there was a selective release of classified information to reporters to rebut the Wilson story. Highlights that McClellan brings up information about facts and actions which go beyond what Libby was convicted of -- that McClellan said he wouldn't vouch for illegal behavior, talking about the Card conversation with McCLellan -- give Libby the same assurances that you gave Karl after conversations between President and Veep.
Showing the notes from Cheney that were used at Libby trial regarding press treatment of Scooter being same as Rove. The "meat grinder" note from Cheney. Walking through the rationale of why getting to the bottom of what happened within the WH at the highest levels with this. Conyers says he wants interview reports and unredacted interview reports of top level WH officials from DOJ -- the Justice Dept. has been less cooperative, has refused to give them access to even redacted materials that the oversight committee of Congress had already seen.
Look forward to hearing from McClellan on role of President and Veep. The issue of a pardon for Libby is still outstanding, even with the commutation already issued. Will explore this as well.
Talking about bi-partisan spirit of the committee. And now recognizing Lamar Smith.
LAMAR SMITH: Welcome to the next book of the month club meeting. Makes an Ann Coulter joke. Hard to take anything McClellan says seriously -- points to the three intel reviews which said that the WH didn't force intel into its own corners. Spin at the WH? Please...what WH hasn't had spin. Motives are important -- what we don't know are McClellan's motives. [CHS notes: And the GOP theme is set...welcome to the rip down of your reputation, Scott.] How much influence did a biased editor have on the product. [CHS notes: oh jeebus, Smith is bringing up George Soros. Wingnut heads explode nationwide.]
Who is the real Scott McClellan? blah blah blah blah selling out friends for pieces of silver blah blah blah blah giving McClellan the out to say he was manipulated by an extremely partisan editor with an agenda blah blah blah blah
McClellan's counsel objects to Lamar Smith. It's disallowed.
Conyers introduces evidence into the record that he used during his opening. Giving intro information on McClellan. Putting him under oath.
MCCLELLAN: Here today at your invitation to discuss the Plame investigation. I was silenced by the WH ostensibly because of the criminal investigation. I made a commitment to talk to the public about what I knew during that time, and that is part of why I wrote the book. The WH has tried to obfuscate on this -- sadly they remain silent, and the result has been to increase the poisoned atmosphere in Washington. The scandal culture is being perpetuated by keeping all of this from public scrutiny.
Calls on President to lead on this issue. He should put nation's interest above partisan goals. This is about power and electoral victory -- government becomes an object of campaigning, not vice versa. Too often, the media unwittingly ignores the impact of decisions on people, and concentrates instead on the inside scoop of beltway ins and outs.
My critics suck. [CHS paraphrasing here.]
My book reflects the ideal of loyalty that I think is appropriate: loyalty to the government for the people and to the truth of how things happened. Not loyalty to a party or power. It was wrong to reveal Plame's identity because it compromised the identity of a covert individual and an investigation important to national security. That was wrong.
CONYERS QUESTIONS: Asks about the providing assurances for Libby as he did for Rove. Andy Card asked him -- Scott said Libby had to give him the same assurances that Rove had given him personally. Got ont he phone with Libby, Scooter told him point blank that he had not been involved in leaking Plame's identity to reporters -- told him that point blank. Conyers asks about President and Veep's knowledge. Scott doesn't think that the President had direct knowledge of this at that time -- had numerous conversations with President about this at that time. As for Cheney? Doesn't know, but there is a lot of suspician there -- Fitz put it exactly that way.
Does not think a pardon would be appropriate for Libby, under the standards by which Bush has always granted them in the past. No public remorse, no making amends to society.
SMITH QUESTIONS: Who suggested title of book? McClellan said he talked with publisher and others about it -- and they agreed on title. Received $75,000.00 advance on the book, and receives small amount on book sales as well once he earns out advance. Going over political leanings of one of the editors.
Smith says speculating on what Rove and Libby talked about -- McClellan says he told the truth about what he knew and what he saw, but doesn't know what all of their conversations were about. Smith asking about whether Armitage was the original leaker of Plame's name? McClellan says not really -- Armitage's leak to Novak was the first time any reporter printed her name, but Rove, Libby and Ari Fleischer leaked her name to at least 6 reporters around town prior to Novak's publication. Lamar Smith tried to keep him from talking about this and McClellan talks over him.
Interruption from Lungren to change the subject to FISA for a minute. Conyers gets back to the hearing.
NADLER: Do you know when the president gave instruction to cover Libby's rear end, did he know about Libby's involvement? Scott didn't know that. Found out that Rove and Libby had leaked around the time it was about to be reported in the media. Any steps taken to conduct an internal exam on the leak? WH provided information to DOJ, but his understanding was that the WH was not doing any of that. Commutation of Libby's sentence? Scott says since President said anyone who was involved would be fired and justice served -- says commutation not in that spirit. Was commutation of Libby a part of keeping the facts quiet about this? Scott says he does not know that, but there were a lot of suspicions raised. Apologize for character assassination earlier.
You talk about the lead-up to Iraq being a sophisticated political propaganda campaign. Says it was a marketing campaign -- used this to take the nation to war, sold the nation on the premise that Iraq was a grave and gathering danger. It was overstated, overpackaged -- in the way the intel was used. They were ignoring caveats and information about the facts, and downplaying reports on this being a bad decision. They ignored contradictory information. When you ignore the risks and costs of going to war, which we did, that's wrong.
COBLE QUESTIONS: Troubled about the staging on the Iraq build-up. Has some doubts about whether Libby should have been prosecuted. What were your thoughts when you learned about Armitage revealed her identity? Scott says he can't speak to that other than what has been revealed during the trial -- he feels that all of the information should have gone out immediately on who di what when her identity was revealed. The WH has refused to be honest about all of this, and that's why we are here today.
Three votes on the journal ordering the question on the rule. Have a child abuse vote, a vote on another House Res., and on the FISA bill. Stand in recess until those matters are covered, and will resume after this has been completed.
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Steny Hoyer is a tool.
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Popcorn, check!
Live feed, check!
Outrage, check!!!!!
I thought everyone would get a kick out of the picture selected for today. *g*
Good morning, Christy. This could be an interesting day - It’s early for popcorn, but coffee will do.
Here, too. :0)
even i’m up for this ;o)! not quite up on things legal but the drama is worth a look see for sure….. ‘morning all :o)
LOL :)
Like anticipation before a Bruins vs Habs game! Blood as soon as the puck drops??? For hockey fans remember how Claude Lemieux curled into a ball after Kieth K of the Coyotes tried to seek retribution for Claude’s “from behind drilling Chris Draper jaw into the dasher in the Stanley Cup finals,” the first game of the next season!!! Maybe Scott is a real American and wants retribution like Kieth K tried to inflict of the less than honorable Claude Lemieux opposed to the great Mario Lemeuix, a class act by any standard!
Scotty is in the room… (CSpan3)
Call Steny Hoyer’s office! Let the Judas know how America feels.
Call Steny:
Washington DC: (202) 225-4131
Greenbelt office: (301) 474-0119
Waldorf Office: (301) 843-1577
I am expecting an attorney from the administration to appear to invoke some priviledge
we will see
Don’t forget to contribute to ActBlue. Getting close to $350 g’s. Let’s shoot for 500 g’s. That will get their attention in the cesspool.
For those who want to do stupid chatting parallel to the thread and take some pressure off the servers go to the gabbly.
We used this during the Libby trial and it runs parallel to the FDL thread if you check the box that shows a verticle column in it. Multi-tasking at it’s best.
oh wow!! look at all the press….. too bad press doesnt cover fisa, torture, erosion of civil liberties as closely…..
oh, and it works better on Firefox than on Safari.
I think the whole FISA tragedy was timed specifically for today because of the bright shiny Scotty - adjusts freshly blocked tinfoil cowgirl hat
Thank you for the reminder, Deb. Windcatpond is also available for (Heaven forbid it) any down time or server overtaxing.
Going to radio silence now to help servers…
Here we go. Hope Scottie drops a big one.
yep. But we are great at multi-tasking here. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Good Morning Christy - thanks for this
and call/email/fax pelosi and obama and dodd and your own rep and senators.
speak for yourself :)
One kudo to Conyers so far. The quote he quoted stated that Bush ”selective authorized the leak of ’classified information’.”
Booya!!! They got the meat-grinder note up!!!!
((((( Loo Hoo )))))
Do you have any numbers to post for Pelosi, Obama et al?
Good morning Christy. And all the pups. Donuts and coffee and assorted fruits on the kitchen island for all.
Let us have some truth this sunny am with our breakfast, please?
So Conyers has been sitting on all of this stuff just waiting . . . . now what?
ah, we’re supposed to be distracted by scottie? if that is the case, then we can predict that there will be at lease some interesting revelations. and here i was convinced it would be another disappointment.
And away we go….
O of J…obstruction of watergate
Conyers has been reading emptywheel… Calls for the release of the FBI reports on the Bush Cheney interviews.
pelosi:
dc congressional office:
(202) 225-4965
(202) 225-8259 (fax)
sf office:
(415) 556-4862
speaker’s office:
(202) 225-0100
toll free numbers (H/T to Katymine):
1 (800) 828 - 0498
1 (800) 459 - 1887
1 (800) 614 - 2803
1 (866) 340 - 9281
1 (866) 338 - 1015
1 (877) 851 - 6437
Sounds like just one of Kucinich’s “35 Articles” of impeachment?
yea im proud
my my my and dont you look purty lol
Pelosi’s Speaker’s office phone:
202-225-0100
Obama
202-228-5417
i continue to love you muchly
looks like MSNBC may cover Scotty’s testimony live
they are talking over Chairman Conyers opening statement
Does Conyers ever follow up with action or does he just talk and issue an occassional subpoena (that is then ignored of course!)?
Scott looks serious. Wonder what he’s thinking.
Morning, Petrocelli.
well see
Lamar Smith is such a card
Lamar Smith already being an a*****e.
And my most abject apologies to all for the Execrable Lamar Smith (unfortunately, my supposed “Representative”)
Lamar Smith ..=Nazi type
arrogant pompous fool!
Bush mouthpiece
Texans for TORTURE
When they can’t argue the merits they go to character assassination
That’s all they’ve got.
plaid shirt type
yeeeup!
but at least it’s on the record so when the future looks back at how it went so horribly wrong…
Sounds like Lamar Smith has an open mind./s
Teabaggers for Tyranny :D
i loathe these scum sukkkkerz
Scratch a Texas Republican and you’ll find a fascist screaming to get out.
Would that we could go through a hearing without a rethug butt-flying monkey taking up precious time with pro-Bu$h ramblings.
So now we know, Republicans will attack McClellan’s credibility - not ask any questions about the White House.
George Soros??? WTF?
Get the hook!
I think Lamar Smith is aactually helping our cause. He’s pissing off Scottie mightily.
“g” yea and kicks his dog i bet
yopu so smart,hahahaahahahahahaha
we will see THE REAL SCOTT mCc
yes, very holey
The repukes may just piss Scotty off enough today, to encourage him to open his entire can of worms. I hope.
THAT was you so smart
George Soros, an Elder of Zion, is speaking his words through McClellan’s mouth!
“he will have to answer to his own conscience.” That’s what he’s doing, Lamar!
Lamar “Ad Hominem” “Smith”
…as brownshirts attacked Jews, no merit!
me too
omg
the infamous “Judas” reference. For telling the truth, he gets this!?
Being pissed at being mocked by Rove et al for so long was the ,ain reason he wrote the book he did, but I wonder if we’ll get anything new and of substance.
After Lamar Smith’s vicious statement, if I were Scotty, I would just stand up and say….they did it, they told me, and you can go Cheney yourself Lamar.
Did you see the look on Scottie’s face ? Wexler looks p*ssed as well.
Expect leading questions from the Dems to uncover some juicy tidbits …
Little boots =Hey Seuss
It is nevah too early for popcorn. Popcorn for breakfast is the best. Dare we hope there are other snitches queuing up to blow BushCo’s cover? More important still, will MSM do journalism? Reading on, because there are now 27 more comments. Booyah!
Good Morning Firepups!
Thank you Marcy for showing Conyers the game plan again!!
If you close your eyes, you can’t tell the difference between John Conyers and Joe Lieberman.
Shorter Lamar Smith: Poppycock anyone ?
you start me off with a 707 …thanks
The repukes may just piss Scotty off enough today, to encourage him to open his entire can of worms. I hope.
That was my thought too, as Alexander was calling him everything but a … umm, ‘honest’ man.
popcorn puleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzze
I’m hoping.
Scottie’ quoting PatFitz almost directly.
silent and silence…….
[wink]
huh?
Is Scotty sworn in?
come on Scotty - grow a pair, Stat!!
yes.
Hope it’s more than just tidbits. Hope it’s a big juicy bone that America can chew on.
go Scottie!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes.
Buttoned up his jacket before he did it. Still the press secretary, that Scottie.
sounds like his lawyer wrote it
No need to be sworn in. Lying is a crime even if you’re not sworn in.
Calling out the media.
scotty is pissed!!
Hi IS sworn in.
Absolutely no evidence that Congress believes this.
well ALRIGHT….boooooooooooooooya
“loyalty to the Constitution”
what a concept?
i played a roll
Washington’s Farewell address warnings combined with Jefferson’s fears for the republic are the issues today!
There’s still the psychological impact of swearing in, no matter if lying to Congress in general is a crime.
And lying under oath is that much more of a crime.
Otherwise, why would KKKarl be so resistant to testifying under oath?
role?
Scooty Libber???
lol
Note the word choice: McClellan used the language from the meat-grinder note.
and Little Boots and puppetmaster
buh bye Chenois
Ollie protecting Reagan ???
uh ohhh bushco dog on the attack…….
Nice. Scooter’s going to be cranky about McClellan’s statement about pardon.
Does LS have a REAL question?
So if Bush pardons Libby, it will go against his history of pardons.
repug talking points
Here comes attack dog Lamar!
Attack title, preamble to attack the messenger. Of course it’s publisher’s fault. $$ you just want to get rich!
o/t
FISA LIVE
currently voting on procedural question
but scott’s handling him well
SCOTTY is good
Smith makes a good point wrt rove and Scooter being behind closed doors and that Scotty can only guess at what they were talking about.
I was always concerned about that point…
Yes, “Will I inherit the Crawford
EstateRanch after Jan. 21st, 2009 ?bastards! Of course they are doing these at the same time. Stainy planned it that way.
ahh - scott’s surprised me but not taking his guff
wasnt Judy,Judy,Judy involved also?
No internal investigation of the leak.
No kidding!
Hah ! Nadler smacks Lamar across the chops …