Fuck!!

A not so happy zed.

Would that some brave Senator would filibuster. Senator Feingold, my senator, it’s time for your close-up!

Or not.

TREASONOUS TRAITORS!!!

as Kit Bond says — “when the government tells you to do something, I’m sure you would all agree that I think you all recognize that is something you need to do.”

Zig HEIL!

I just used the BarackObama.com feedback page to inform them that I will make a significant donation to the Obama campaign if Obama acts to defeat the FISA bill in the Senate — as I donated to the Dodd campaign after Dodd’s filibuster in the fall — and that I will not make any donation if he does not act.

It’s within Obama’s power to engineer the defeat of this bill, an doing so would show the kind of leader he can be in the White House.

The Senate will take it up next week?

What a disgrace. What a shameful day. I wish I was in DC on the capital steps to boo these people and pelt them with rotton eggs. How dare they dismiss our constitutional rights?

as soon as you know the names, post them.

there are some people that are going to be in deep, deep, deep, deep trouble with me.

If anyone from the Philadelphia area voted for this, I am going to be targeting them every single week through the Drinking Liberally bulletin. I’ve got nearly 1000 activist dems on that list, many members of MoveOn, DFA, Philly for Change, and I used the list very well to rein in Bob Casey last year.

I am quite ready to unload on anyone right now. Just give me some names.

You mean the Senate will cave in next.

yes. treason. i’ve been murdered.

I never thought that my kids would grow up in a police state. Foolish me.

Does anyone have the link to Scotty hearings, pretty please? I’d like to multitask in my misery. Thanks.

The HELL you say. I would specifically NOT do what the government tells me to do. The government wants me to do something? Compensate me and/or show a warrant, otherwise, get the fuck off my property you nazi!

Wexler’s up.

good work.

I’m confident that everyone will, but a reminder to please be sure to turn your anger into action.

Wexler up now with Scotty on CSpan 3

Change of scenery is warranted.

Show me your papez!

CSPAN3

Marcy’s liveblogging it, FYI…

After the travesty that just took place in the peoples House of Representatives, every American Republican or Democrat, green, independent or otherwise, take note of the name of each and every Democrat that voted in approval of this FISA bill and vote them the hell out this coming November.
Today history was made, Mark this date on your calendars so you can tell your children and grandchildren, that today was the day America died.

Hey Brendan, how come I’m not on that list?

I’ll be back at DL this summer starting July 8 I hope. We’ve got work to do.

Yes, a link please to the list of “yeas.”

Total # of Republicans in the House + Blue Dogs = ???

How many ignorant “regular” Dems “crossed over,” lured by Steny’s assurances?

more putrification. blunt thanking hoyer.

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs…..8;Code=CS3

Wexler up now and smokin’

Now, calm down…

I feel a kick in the gut and the tears gather in my eyes, I have to take a walk

“when the government tells you to do something, I’m sure you would all agree that I think you all recognize that is something you need to do.”

Gee, I guess that is true when we’re dealing with a guy like Usama bin Laden who wants to kill us all especially the children.

Usama attacked us on 9/11/01, after all.

Too bad the FBI isn’t with the program. No mention of 9/11 on the FBI’s UBL page.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topt…../laden.htm

So if UBL isn’t wanted by the FBI for the crimes of 9/11 — we’re sacrificing the 4th Amendment for what, exactly?

Ohhh, Wexler is going after Cheney hard!!

Sadly, I agree with others here who think this vote was engineered to occur after the primaries so Hillary and Obama didn’t need to take a strong position on the compromise. The D leadership seems to find us, their base, contemptable.

Nice pic!

I’ve also got your “papez” right here. A bit of used toilet paper.

I DESPISE this government and now must hope for the collapse sooner rather than later to bring about a real change. In a way, this almost makes me hope McSame wins because he WILL drag this country into full ruin.

The sooner the better.

The ONLY satisfaction I can see in this mess is that the Blue America PAC vs Retroactive Immunity campaign has raised over $254,000 and $2,460 in just the 45 minutes since I made a small contribution.

Ensuring that Hoyer, et al. pay a political price for selling out our civil liberties demonstrates clear long-term thinking about how best to transform our political system.

Can we get a list of who voted yea and nay?

Roy Blunt blowing Steny on the floor of the House, thanking him for his work on FISA.
Steny thanking him right back.
Blunt points out, with no irony, that Steny’s work did not get support from a majority of Dems.
f these people.

AGREE

Ahhh. The Dems are pumped and furious after that vote.

Go get ‘em Wexler!

I am so depressed. Just what do we have to do get our “leader” to do the job we elected them to do?

I really liked that pix. Perfect feel for the moment, I think…

From The Politico.

Confidence in Congress at record low

By DAVID PAUL KUHN | 6/20/08 11:49 AM EST Text Size:
Only 12 percent of Americans now have confidence in Congress, the lowest percentage in the 35 years that the Gallup Poll has tracked the number.

Americans now view Congress less favorably any of the 14 other American institutions tracked by Gallup, including big business, newspapers and health maintenance organizations.

Even as President Bush’s approval rating languishes at a record low, more than twice as many Americans have confidence in the presidency—26 percent—than have confidence in Congress.

And Pelosi and Hoyer wonder why?

This bill could have been passed in a much better way. They could have consulted, given plenty of warning, circulated the bill for weeks, let others than telecoms comment, then had the leadership go out and educate voters in whatever districts it is they think could have been threatened by a good bill; then scheduled plenty of debate in the House and scheduled it in a time they didn’t know was going to already be a media zoo.

Maybe we would have still lost, but there would have been something resembling a deliberative process, and even some token leadership.

The way this was done was simply a “F* you” to us. I submit we should consider ourselves duly “F*’ed”.

gee thanks. i’ll pass.

I’ve donated to our fund, but it feels pretty pathetic to jump straight to vowing revenge rather than stopping the offense while it’s still in the process of being committed.

Wouldn’t it be swell if Hillary, now no longer encumbered by fear of smears, led a filibuster? I know–what am I thinking?

I do think it’s high time California voters took Nancy Pelosi off the table.

Roy Blunt blowing Steny on the floor of the House, thanking him for his work on FISA.
Steny thanking him right back.

Basking in Republican glory.

Jesus Steny, no shame whatsoever? Even just a little?

….the good silent German!! FU Kit bond!!!

Where can we find out which Dems voted for this?

- Tom

I think we should xerox copies of the Constitution and then shred them and mail the pieces to the 106 traitors.

I went to Thomas.gov and they didn’t have the roll call.

Anybody?

Wow. A Repub, whose name is….Mr. “Goodlatte”…bwahahahahahaha

Apparently they AREN’T pissed. They passed the damn thing…and wait until it gets to the totally compliant senate with the noodle Reid at the helm.

Good ole ‘Give ‘em dictatorship Harry!’

Can we get a list of who voted yea and nay?

Who voted for will tell us something. For those who voted against (except for those who also voted against the PAA extension in February), this vote means nothing.

Scotty’s on C-Span 2 now.

Scotty now live on CSpan2.

The coup is nearly complete.

Why the switch to cspan 2?

All you New York firepups,
give Schumer a call and let him know how strongly you feel about this, he’s undecided, so Decide Him!

here are the katymine numbers to reach him

1 (800) 828 – 0498
1 (800) 614 – 2803
1 (866) 340 – 9281
1 (866) 338 – 1015
1 (877) 851 – 6437

Christy will post it when it’s available.

Time to put another $100 into the Stainy Whore memorial retirement fund.

damn, that’s two cokes I’m down today…

Personally, and literally, I would like to see the few TRUE Americans in the Democrapic party in the Senate announce before any vote for this atrocity that they are leaving the party and are now officially Independents. Feingold, Dodd, Hillary(?Is she or isn’t she a TRUE American? Aka, one who actually supports the Constitution?)

I find it stunning that virtually all callers to C-Span after the vote were furious with the outcome of the vote. There will be repercussions at the ballot box.

Oh dang. McSame is taking over C-3, winning over Canadians I see, the brave fella.

Scotty’s bumped to C-2. Oh BOTHER!

I went to Thomas.gov and they didn’t have the roll call.

It can take a while for vote results to show up on Thomas. There is no reason that it should but it often takes an hour or two for a vote to be posted.

agreed.

Conyer’s office said he voted no! Olver’s Office said he voted no! It this the truth? I suggest everyone call your rep to at least see how their offices think they voted, till confirmed?

Congress the Club at its finest.

My middle finger is permanently raised to the rats who forced this through and went along with it.

Furious.

A senior U.S. General (Taguba) publicly states that our Executive Branch and military have committed war crimes, and NOTHING will come of it. Consequently, the telecom/erasure of the 4th Amendment thing will be political chump change for the ruling class.

he is disgusting……….

I have been telling people this for years!

The spokeperson for the FBI, Ryan “Something” (can’t rememebr last name, I’ll find it) specifically addressed this and said the FBI did not have evidence that Osama was responsible for 9/11.

I spoke with Elizabeth de la Vega (”U.S. v. Bush”, great book) about this and suggested she write another book, addressing this issue.

The roll call vote is not up yet, but when it is, it should be Roll Call 437 on Thomas.

As has been pointed out, nays from say, Pelosi or Hoyer are meaningless. They engineered this.

Contemptible? Yes, remember what Miss Nancy said about us…

There’s usually a delay between a roll call and when it appears on the register. Going from memory here, but it usually takes a half hour or so. Here’s the page to watch. The new votes appear at the top.

“It’s not the crime, it’s the coverup.” I suspect that the reason this went down so fast is that the Dems as well as the Thugs were petrified at what would be revealed if the Telecomm lawsuits went forward. Such as the major condoning of 4th Amendment violations by muckymucks in both parties.

Enough of hope. Time now for business as usual. Right Barak?

The ramifications of the bill not being “mentioned” in the Senate today is that first mention will happen on Monday, when Senator Reid asks UC to take up FISA. The UC would probably be, “UC to take up FISA when the Senate completes action on the Housing Bailout,” which is a somewhat indefinite time. If there is objection to that, Reid can file a cloture motion to limit debate on the motion to take up FISA. If he files that on Monday, the cloture vote to limit debate on the motion to proceed would be Wednesday morning, and the 30 hours of post-cloture debate running out Thursday afternoon.

Then, someone (probably REID) would seek UC to vote on passage. Objection can be asserted against that, too.

I’ve frequently seen parallel cloture motions (on an amendment and final passage), but there can’t be a paralleling of “motion to proceed” and “final passage,” because theoretically, the motion to proceed can be rejected, so there is no pending matter (amendment or bill) that could be subjected to a vote.

Congress= Fucking cowards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
It’s time for the second revolution!

When in the course of events one witnesses the disintegration of constitutional law under the “color of law” by corporate aristocrats to protect vested status quo interests we have recourse……..

The FISA/Telco episode all goes back to “that which must not be named”. Hey, but I’ll name it: 9/11.

There is a reason 9/11 was never seriously investigated, todays vote points to that.

– Why the switch to cspan 2? –

I assume because the Senate adjourned for the day, C-SPAN is filling their air with whatever they think will be most entertaining for its audience.

This is not the same country that I used to tell my son about when he was small. I would explain how we lived in a special country, unlike so many others, because we had guaranteed rights and liberties. That country has been destroyed, by the bush administration and a complicit congress and supreme court. I am sadder than I can express.

Yeh, Barack sat on his thumb over immunity. Change is coming. Ha

Specifically?

Republicans continuing their only avenue of attack on Scotty – timing (why not sooner?), money incentives, pay-back, etc.

No R discussion of the merits of course.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll437.xml
roll call vote is up

With House passage on a 2:1 margin, there will be token opposition in the Senate. One vote with a 60 vote margin, no filibuster, etc.

It will be very interesting to see if Feingold or Dodd will back up their opposition and object. Obama, of course, will not. If he were to intervene, I think that Reid might not raise the issue at all or make any move to schedule.

Issa sez that George Will writes articles in advance of his books that affect policy.

(well, there you have it!)

Read Gen. Taguba’s preface to Broken Laws, Broken Lives.

The president of Physicians for Human Rights was on the Rachel Maddow show the other die describing the after effects of the torture committed in our name on Wednesday.
I just sat there crying.

I painted with too wide a brush. SOME are furious. o.k.? e.g., Wexler.

Solai – Arcuri voted ‘yea’
I’m going to write a nasty ‘letter to the editor of our paper here in Binghamton; perhaps you can write one to the Utica paper as well. I’ll send the same letter to the Cortland Standard and the Syracuse Post-Standard. Have I forgotten any papers in the district.

– That country has been destroyed, by the bush administration and a complicit congress and supreme court. –

It was gone well before that. Or at least, “going fast.” The people let too much power aggregate in Washington, and were not protective enough of state and personal power.

We’re all collectivists now, even the ones who abhor collectivism.

specifically………..yes

yay, other people call him that too now!

I coined that nickname. “Stainy Whore”, all covered with sticky telecom jizz.

That stain doesn’t wash out too easily.

Just updated the post above with a link to the roll call vote…

Hinchey voted against.

No, I’m, asking you for your specific plan recommendation.

Well that’s interesting. The only Republican to vote against the bill was Tim Johnson my usually benighted Rep from Central Illinois.

Probably C-2 is available to more viewers.

A nod to the fact that Scotty’s hearing appearance is more important than McSame lecturing to Canadian economists. Go figure. *g*

I am so ashamed, sad, angry, frustrated…I am sorry….weeping..

Voting results on HR 6304:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll437.xml

I heard an interview with this cat on NPR yesterday. The book is called “Torture Team.”

– It will be very interesting to see if Feingold or Dodd will back up their opposition and object. Obama, of course, will not. –

Feingold, Dodd and Leahy will make strong speeches. One of them will object to either the motion to proceed, or on final passage.

Obama will object with a speech, but he will not raise a formal objection or otherwise assert any procedural power (which he has a RIGHT to assert, as a Senator) that would delay final passage. He will point to his speech, and tell the public, “I objected.”

You have company. *sniffle*

The one Republican nay was Johnson of Ill.

The vote is up.

Sestak voted Aye.

He no longer exists as far as I’m concerned.

Loose lip sinks ships! LOL Besides what happened to the fascist SR 1959 first offered by Jane Harmon as HR 1955? Another great anti constitutional law??

Iss-Hole just posited that future Press Secretaries who *unknowingly* pass on false information from higher-ups may be committing a crime.

No, I’m not kidding.

He was giving Scotty the “and that could include you, sir” stink-eye while he uttered said nonsense.

Thanks much!

YGM.

We need to talk.

Audio link here.

Digg this!

Reddit this!

He will point to his speech, and tell the public, “I objected.”

I don’t doubt it. Bringing change to Washington indeed.

Adam Smith (D-WA09) voted yea. I’d about decided to vote against him anyway. Now, I’ll do it gladly.

Dugg and reddited. Is that a verb?

Scotty continues to disappoint. He might as well be giving a book report. Same things I’ve heard on every stop on his book tour.

Rome Daily Sentinel (not that it’s that good a paper – afternoon daily)

– Probably C-2 is available to more viewers. –

It is, in fact. But it also carries the Senate at all times the Senate is in session, even during interminable quorum calls, hours on end with nothing happening.

Dear Nancy,

Go fuck yourself.

Cindy Sheehan for Congress!

And if he does this pathetic thing, I will NOT vote for him in the fall. As it is, with this vote, I am actively voting AGAINST Democrats henceforth unless they are CLEARLY a good guy/gal who didn’t vote NO simply for political cover, knowing that there votes were there for passage.

No one of that description exists from my state so I am NOT voting Democrap this fall. I have cut off the money, removed myself from their mailing lists, and am official done with them. I am giving money to Act Blue to defeat Hoyer, Carney, Brown, etc. and have donated to Hoyer’s GOP rival, Collin Bailey, upon the vote result in the House.

no facts, no truths, just innuendo and spin designed to take from you, your freedom, your logic your reason and maybe your life to!!!

Democratic leaders Pelosi, Hoyer, Emanuel, and Clyburn along with others like Carney, McNerney, Harman, Sestak, Skelton, Tauscher, and Murtha voted for. What does it say that they had fewer scruples or cojones than my Republican Rep? Geez.

Screw you Lungren

OK -we have the nay list. This is the core of the new Democratic Party. We know who we can rely on.

Not only Sestak, but Udall and Patrick Murphy voted Yay?

Glad to see Wasserman-Schultz on the Nay side – better than I would have expected. All forgiven.

new thread

Well hell. we just got a democrat in office in my district, and she went and voted “yes”.

I swear, every time I’m ready to drop out of the Green Party and register Dem, something like this rears up.

ditto

We need to drop EVERYONE from Blue America and Act Blue that voted for this piece of shite.

Now.

I’m surprised that Blue Dog Hill voted Nea.

OK -we have the nay list. This is the core of the new Democratic Party. We know who we can rely on.

Again the No votes don’t mean anything because those casting them knew the bill was going to pass no matter what they did. The only No votes that we can have any confidence in are the ones cast by those who also voted in February not to extend the Protect America Act.

I realize, thanks. I used to watch it a lot. Thyme Wanna took over our service and promptly cut C-2, so all we have over the telly now is C-1. grrr.

BTW, in their wisdom, TW, with hundreds of channels available, chose to dump C-Span 2 in favor of showing elderly re-runs of sit-coms.

Thank dog for the toobz. Boooooo to TW, because many folks can’t afford the toobz as easily as tv. Another way to hide what’s going on in our ‘govt’ and its enablers.

BTW #2: MANY Dems. voted AGAINST the FISA bill. Please don’t tar them all equally, folks. You’re only shooting yourself in the foot, doing that. I vote in favor of keeping the good and dumping the bad, NOT tossing everyone. That’s nuts. imho.

Bingo. And to second the call above, all those that voted “yeah” need to be removed from Act Blue and it needs to be made known to them why…and that they are now targets for replacement.

maybe he noticed what happened to Hastert.

At least Pelosi and Hoyer had the decency to vote openly for this.

Both Shea-Porter and Hodes voted no.

(Watch out Sununu and Gregg.)

Congrats on taking action. If everything you say you want is granted to you in life, I hope you can live with it. You sound like a person who sets standards at an equally high level for yourself, surely.

We trusted Kennedy when the soviets set up missiles in Cuba! He did not fuck us. Some trusted Bush after 911, death and destruction in America. Seems Bush used 911 as the justification to invade Iraq as Hitler used Gliewitz to justify the invasion of Poland on lies and fabrications Hitler was a war criminal even in suicide. Seems Scott has some knowledge of Rove, Cheney and Bush’s erroneous assertions concerning America’s threat from Iraq. Meanwhile the Iraq Oil Plot is sealed for the corporate elites yesterday and FISA today! What a deal for America!!!

Kathy Castor from FL District 11 voted yes. I hadn’t planned on going to the Pride event in St Pete next weekend but I’ll go now because she usually shows up. And she’s gonna get an earful. Since I’m not in her district the email system won’t let me email her officially. I’ll figure out something in the meantime. Son of a bitch.

No, not “many”. Slightly more than 50% of the Democraps voted “Nay”. Of those, how many voted “Nay” simply to cover their ass, knowing that the votes were there to pass the bill regardless?

I’d wager that a mere 70 or so who voted “Nay” actually MEANT “Nay” through and through.

Good on ya! ;->

“Since I’m not in her district the email system won’t let me email her officially.” Spending tax payer money to stymie free expression. These people suck big time!!!!!

– MANY Dems. voted AGAINST the FISA bill. Please don’t tar them all equally, folks. –

Just FWIW, I’m mostly Republican (fish out of water here), and won’t vote for what the GOP runs as excuses for Senators up here in Maine. I won’t support Tom Allen either. If I had to pick between Collins and Allen, I’d pick Collins. But she’s not getting my support.

The politicians can kiss my ass.

In fact, I DO hold myself to high standards. As to forgiveness for straying from those standards, it depends on their real importance.

I don’t lie (but now would happily lie to the government on ANY question just to f*ck them). I don’t cheat other people (but would happily now cheat the government). I don’t steal (no exceptions). And most of all, I NEVER EVER would violate my oath to protect and defend the CONSTITUTION (as a military member who has been seriously contemplating quitting because I cannot trust a single order that comes down from above to be legal or ethical or actually in support of the Constitution) and will NEVER EVER EVER forgive those who do so.

Half the Democraps, all but one Rethuglican today betrayed their oath to the Constitution. Most of the Senate is going to next week.

It’s that simple. I wash my hands of them.

That’s 105 potential advertising gigs for Strange Bedfellows. I hadn’t realized there were 105 Blue Dogs, or that many neocons, or that many CongressCritters who refused to read either this law or the Constitution of the United States.

The Fourth Amendment to the United States Consitution, revised:

The right of the people to be secure vulnerable to Government intrusion in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue but, upon probable cause, supported by Oath or Affirmation, be required and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized shall be determined at the sole discretion of the President of the United States.

You’re entitled to your own view. I am entitled to mine. I assume we can keep it level and civil, if only to keep from making Christy’s work any harder than it already is.

When I run into that, I do a quick mapquest search, a quick zip code search, and claim to be a constituent and email them anyway. That is how I managed to email Hoyer via his website.

I wasn’t going to attack you. Hadn’t even crossed my mind.

Scott (GA) yea? Sad. I know AT&T is strong locally, in the state, regionally, and nationally, but…

My “rep” is Regula, R and entrenched, but retiring. So I’m voting for the Dem. running to replace him.

I looked at Sestak’s opensecrets page and not much sign of telcos. BUT Act Blue was his largest contributor by a long shot, almost half a mil. He needs to be dropped from the list. How do we get this done?

didn’t think so. carry on good soldier. ;->

dems who voted no, or did not vote on the PAA extension in feb are listed list. i’ve cross referenced them with teh blue dog coalition (BD) and with the progressive caucus (P). i did this pretty quick and would appreciate having my work checked. will now cross reference this list with fisa no votes today.

Jason Altmire -
Dan Boren – BD
Leonard Boswell – BD
Michael Capuano – P
Jerry Costello -
Lincoln Davis – BD
Peter DeFazio – P
Lloyd Doggett -
Bob Filner – P
John Hall – P
Maurice Hinchey – P
Rush Holt – ***
Dennis Kucinich – P
Barbara Lee – P
John Lewis – P
Tim Mahoney – BD
James Moran -
Patrick Murphy – BD
Christopher Murphy -
Frank Pallone -
Bill Pascrell -
Donald Payne – P
Collin Peterson – BD
Steven Rothman -
Loretta Sanchez – BD
John Sarbanes -
Jan Schakowsky – P
Jose Serrano – P
Tom Udall – P
Timothy Walz -
Maxine Waters – P
Melvin Watt – P
Lynn Woolsey – P
David Wu –

no vote:

Ruben Hinojosa -
Mike Honda – P
Nita Lowey -
Solomon Ortiz -
Dutch Ruppersberger -
Edolphus Towns -

Hello everyone: I am sad, but not surprised to report, that my rep. Brian Baird–Bush Dog party–voted for this bill. My husband called his office after the vote to register his disgust and ask why he voted the way he did, and the reply was basically that he was afraid of lawsuits that would ensue against companies–obviously that’s not a word-for-word quote, but the gist. His staffer said he would release a statement shortly on his official website.

There is a woman who is running against him in the primary. Her name is Cheryl Crist–every Democrat in the 3rd district needs to be supporting her. At the recent Dem. convention of course Baird was renominated to his position, so I don’t even know if her name will show up on the primary ballot, but my thought is to just write her in. The local party leaders are afraid to lose Baird’s seat to a Republican, so they are not going after Baird. I don’t know if this FISA vote will change their minds–I sure hope so.

The other thing is that the Dems. here are having their JJ Dinner this Sunday, and guess who will be one of the guest speakers–none other than the sell-out himself.

Contact Howie?

Revenge is a dish best served cold. Hoyer and Pelosi will get their just desserts in due time. They spit on the graves of those who fought and died for the Constitution including the 4th Amendment. They would sell their country out and the honor and memory of those lying in hallowed and unhallowed ground around the world for a bag of silver.

Worse than I thought. I was betting about 70 voted no today and meant it. Your list is a mere 40-something long. After your cross-ref with today’s vote, it will likely shorten a bit.

So, there are only 30-40 Dems in the House worth supporting.

The rest need to be attacked relentlessly and replaced ASAP.

Just sent letters to the editor of the Binghamton, Cortland and Syracuse newspapers outlining the shameful behavior(except for Hinchey)of our representatives in the House on the FISA legislation and making a plea for people to write, call, and fax Schumer and Clinton to protect what is left of the Bill of Rights.

as Kit Bond says — “when the government tells you to do something, I’m sure you would all agree that I think you all recognize that is something you need to do.”
———-
congress critters their families,and donaters ……NOT SO MUCH

I like the way you think. Thanks for that. District 11 does encompass part of my little town so this is gonna be easy.

Precisely the opposite.

It appears that the Black Helicoptor Crowd(tm)/militia groups have at their core a kernel of truth: the government really IS the bad guy and is to be resisted as much as possible.

OH NO…you mean they could maybe be sued like YOU and I

Selise, Olver’s office said he voted “NO,” when called! Did they lie. His name is not on the lists you posted?

want some Baz?

For Hoyer, I had to make up an address. I just did a google map in the middle of his district, found a residential area, noted the street name, and made up an address.

Apparently the telcos are more to be coddled and fussed over than his constituents is his stance.

I’m ignorant today. What’s Baz?

I’d ask when did they become my boss, because there’s two hundred years and three hundred million people who say they work for me and should do what I tell them. And I’m telling them don’t do what Bush and Cheney tell them.

I know two people who live next to each other in her district. Piece o’ cake. I’m gonna send some poor staff member screaming and crying into the loo. And be very polite in the process. Motherfuckers.

past vote sorry my bad?

Let’s keep tell’n ‘em!

The War on Terror is a scam. Bigger the lie — easier to sell.

I think folks on the left need to get over the whole tin-foil-troofer-eww thing and look hard at the events which have brought us to this point.

The self-hurt imposed on himself by the original Judas required knowledge, acceptance and remorse. Of those, Pelosi, Hoyer (and presumably, Reid, after the Senate vote) have only one. They knowingly intended this outcome, and manufactured a careful facade to hide their leadership and hard work, which yielded today’s lopsided vote to gut the Constitution and public accountability for the chief executive officer of the United States Government.

One good thing about Scott McClellan’s experience is that he doesn’t give an inch to the Goopers trying to slam his integrity. Admittedly, he seems to have come to that as late in life as Nixon’s Charles Colson came to religion. But what he’s now saying seems consistent with much of what we’ve heard and suspected about how this White House operates. Haynes testimony earlier equally refused to give an inch to his questioners. But he was hiding his own and others’ past bad acts to avoid accountability. Mr. McClellan seems, in part, to be inviting it.

That happened when Bush declared himself “Commander in Chief” without qualifiers…and when he declared himself “The Decider”.

I got waylaid by all this–now I gotta go outside and continue planting tomatoes, eggplant and peppers. 83 degrees and warm here today.

Perhaps the Senate will uphold the 4th amendment.

Selise’s list is about the vote in February on the PAA. At that point, the Republicans were playing games and decided to vote against a 21 extension of the Protect America Act. To everyone’s surprise, they were joined by a group of mostly progressive Democrats and the extension failed and the act expired.

What the House voted on today was to re-instate most of the PAA. Those who voted against the PAA in February and today we can safely say voted their conviction. All others who voted No today we don’t know and could well be engaged in CYA. I should note that several of the names on selise’s list voted for the bill today.

But there’s no need to hide his bad acts. This Congress it 100% compromised and there is no accountability anywhere for anything to be had. They could admit to everything they’ve done in violation of the Constitution, federal and international law and nothing, literally, would come of it (except perhaps a “sigh” of disbelief and the shake of a head or two).

1.

When I run into that, I do a quick mapquest search, a quick zip code search, and claim to be a constituent and email them anyway…

2.

I don’t lie (but now would happily lie to the government on ANY question just to f*ck them)…

[but… oh well, never mind]

hmmmm

I won’t do [1.]. EXCEPT for anyone who’s in a leadership position, or those seeking higher office (e.g., preznit candidates). By taking such positions, they elevate their status to assuming a role designed to serve more than just their own local constituency. If they deny access, it’s wrong in my book and I will find a way to contact them.

I won’t do [2.] I would abstain, rather than lying.

These technical differences have never inhibited me from gaining access.

ok – i’ve cross referenced the list in my #152 with today’s “no” votes. are there any corrections before i post the updated list?

Never before has such a large group been awarded the Beggie, and never has a group deserved it more.

Well, if the grassroots needed anything to get ‘em fired up, this should do it. Maybe some of the fence sitters will now get on one side or the other. For those shitheads who are unopposed this time around no time like the present to get started on getting their asses kicked out in 2010. And I’m gonna start on Castor this afternoon.

It’s party time for the contractors who are in on or expect to get in on surveillance programs and related information programs. It’s party time for those Members of Congress who’ll be taken care of, in or out of office, by the contractors and service providers they’ve benefitted.

Just got e-mail from OpenCongress, they some new features.
http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/531

OT a bit…but remember the article yesterday about military manuevers in Denver, focused on the building the Traitor Party, err, I mean the Democrap Party will use for their traitor’s convention in July?
All hush-hush and the local law enforcement reps tried to claim it had nothing to do with the coming convention.

Who wants to bet on whether it was actually military or Blackwater thugs in the helicopters?

Best comment of the day.

updated list:

dems who voted no, or did not vote on the PAA extension in feb are listed list. i’ve cross referenced them with the blue dog coalition (BD), with the progressive caucus (P) and with “NO” votes (N) on today’s fisa bill.

again, i did this pretty quick and would appreciate having my work checked.

Jason Altmire
Dan Boren – BD
Leonard Boswell – BD
Michael Capuano – P – N
Jerry Costello – N
Lincoln Davis – BD
Peter DeFazio – P – N
Lloyd Doggett – N
Bob Filner – P – N
John Hall – P – N
Maurice Hinchey – P – N
Rush Holt – *** – N
Dennis Kucinich – P – N
Barbara Lee – P – N
John Lewis – P – N
Tim Mahoney – BD
James Moran – N
Patrick Murphy – BD
Christopher Murphy – N
Frank Pallone – N
Bill Pascrell – N
Donald Payne – P – N
Collin Peterson – BD
Steven Rothman – N
Loretta Sanchez – BD – N
John Sarbanes – N
Jan Schakowsky – P – N
Jose Serrano – P – N
Tom Udall – P – N
Timothy Walz – N
Maxine Waters – P – N
Melvin Watt – P – N
Lynn Woolsey – P – N
David Wu – N

no vote:

Ruben Hinojosa -
Mike Honda – P – N
Nita Lowey -
Solomon Ortiz -
Dutch Ruppersberger -
Edolphus Towns – N

So, there it is. Only 40 Democraps worth a damn.

That’s a pitifully short list of “no” votes.

i count 29

Here’s one “no” vote that we can take some comfort in:

Edwards (MD)

Hopefully, it’s the first of many.

What about Betty Sutton D – OH (13th district), listed as voting NO today.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll437.xml

Sun Tzu emphasizes “Know your enemy.” Now we know who we can trust. And they are damn few indeed. As for the rest, there’s a lot of work to do in the next two years. And I’m gonna make it as ugly for them as I possibly can. Wouldn’t piss on these motherfuckers if they were on fire.

Sorry selise, I meant #189 for you & forgot to click reply.

THANK YOU!!

that’s an important correction – because she wasn’t in congress in feb to vote against the PAA.

sutton voted “YES” on the PAA extension in feb.

And I forgot to thank you for your efforts in compiling this list. I greatly appreciate it.

better than 0.

but i still have to go through the list again, more carefully (and hopefully have my work checked – as you did for edwards) before i’m willing to state a number.

thanks for info. didn’t know. I’m not in her district, didn’t know.

Don’t blame you there. My eyes glaze over when I’m doing stuff like this. Unfortunately, DNS lookups are failing for the house.gov domain again. Guess they’re busy.

should we include Tim Johnson on the list?

btw, thank you for explaining the list in your #174.

wow, my congresscritter changed her vote from the last one.. Davis-CA, Nay. I’m proud of her, and it seems that email letters do work.

FISA… Functionally Incapable of Saving America

oh, no – you did me and all of us a favor with your corrections. i hope there are more. i welcome corrections and thank all who are willing to help make this list.

((((((selise))))))

Here’s Barbara Lee trying to talk sense into her colleagues-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svQ2fNNWtm8

Back to work. Put on my best Sardonicus Kristol grin and be nice to folks.

(((selise)))

Bobby Rush (IL-1st) has been ill, and that’s why he did not vote today. He’s a pretty solid No on this kind of thing usually, though he needs some converting on net neutrality.

Baz

http://shaggydogfarms.com/

shucks ,missed him i think

bobby rush voted “YES” on the PAA extension in feb. :(

The basic FISA framework has a lot good about it. Several “improvements” to FISA in PAA and some in the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 have been in violation of the Constitution.

i’ve got to go for a little bit. but i will check back for corrections and questions later this afternoon. my hope is that we can create a reliable list to refer to.

I know. Doubt he’d have gone for this, though, he usually doesn’t. Now, how truly solid he or anyone is, who can say? But I’d need to refresh that Feb vote to recall whether it was the same kind of final word this shit is.

Give, everyone! Early and often. I am so disgusted and disheartened that I just made a second contribution to ActBlue. Fuck Steny Hoyer and Nancy Pelosi. I can’t get through to Hoyer’s office (I’m a former Marylander), and his voice mailbox was full. I hope he’s getting the full treatment.

Hell, on C-Span during the vote, I didn’t hear anyone calling express anything but horror in the first several calls…callers who were Republicans, Indies and Democrats. Simply unconscionable that the House could backtrack like this.

i recommend item #12 on hugh’s list for the background.

and if you want an example of how these votes can be gamed, so that we don’t know who is really supporting us and who is playing cya, you might want to take a look at my old diary from last august on the house PAA vote then.

I would make a footnote or extra mention. In some ways his vote didn’t count because the bill was going to pass anyway but OTOH to be the only Republican who voted No certainly stands out.

ok. will do.

I will carry on for (((Steve Gilliard and Quaker Girl))) among so many others.

I’m with you Al! This is the Constitution they’re shredding here! If ever leadership was demanded, it’s here in defense of the sacred oath they all betrayed!

I’m taking the additional step of writing to ActBlue to demand a refund of all my many contributions to their candidates who voted for this abomination:
Gillibrand, Herseth, Boyda, McNerney, Sestak, et al.. I’ve completely lost trust in ActBlue’s ability to identify worthy progressives. I’m unsubscribing from their email and action lists and will look elsewhere for reliable analysis and advice on candidates’ character and commitment.

Hey Serge! here’s what ActBlue did to you:

Gillibrand, Herseth, Boyda, McNerney, Sestak, & etc…(only a partial list)

ALL ActBlue-ALL voting for this atrocious betrayal of Democracy and the Constitution.

ActBlue has lost my limited donation budget.

This is a very well-informed group of people at FDL, so:

Why are the motivations of 2/3rds of the “Representatives” completely opaque? Why don’t we understand why they do what they do?

Thanks Christy for the vote tally

Then donate to Blue America PAC instead. It is totally outside ActBlue and the support goes for Progressive Dems and things like information ads against Stainy Whore

Why are the motivations of 2/3rds of the “Representatives” completely opaque? Why don’t we understand why they do what they do?

I think there is a mistaken view that we are their constituents. The truth is their constituents are corporations, the wealthy, the connected, and each other. If you look at it this way, things sharpen up and come into focus fast.