Inslee: Have we forgotten what our ancestors have done int he cause of liberty? Don’t we realize that we cannot legitimize violations of American privacy rights and violations of the rule of law? What is the cost of turning from a nation of laws to a President who knows how to manipulate our fears. July 4, 1776 was pre-9/11 — heaven help us when those words are cast aside. Reject this bill.
Conyers: The grant of retroactive immunity is inconsistent with our basic principles. We are intervening in a court decision to achieve a pre-ordained outcome — for the firsttime in pending litigation. The executive branch has been deemed to be very near an imperial presidency from a number of constitutional scholars. We have gone too far. A fight to restore our precious rights and liberties must continue.
Reyes: Submit statement for the record from Boswell. Yield one minute to Hoyer. Says he has the wisdom of Solomon and the patience of Job. I may barf.
Hoyer: I love my staff. Thanks for all your efforts. Thanks everyone involved in this. Thanks Conyers — because he has been conflicted — but he has been focused on the necessity to respond to issues that are real, so that we did not have a bill passed that we thought was unacceptable — the Senate bill. We would not be here without his leadership — not because he supports this — but because he saw the necessity of fighting the Senate bill. Thanking various staffers and Sen. Rockefeller. Thanks Sen. Bond and Hoekstra.
It’s hard to reach compromise on difficult issues. Roy Blunt cares about this country. [CHS notes: Okay, now I really am going to barf.] Thank Roy Blunt for his friendship, for his integrity, and his willingness to take risks to achieve compromise. Just over a year ago, the Congress came under great pressure to support the PAA and the Senate’s bill. The RESTORE Act passed by the House last November. The Senate vote passed by 68 votes last year. The House bill is a better bill — a better alternative — but it was not a consensus alternative and we needed to move forward. We needed to give people the tools they needed for intel to protect the American public — but to also protect civil liberties.
This is not the bill I would have ultimately wanted. We never get that when there is a compromise bill. Wants to thank all the outside organizations, whether they agree with this or not. Particularly wants to thank those groups who stand up for unpopular positions to push for the rights of individuals. [CHS notes: then, perhaps, Steny, you should not have worked so hard to keep those organizations utterly and completely in the dark by refusing to speak and meet with them for months or allow them to review a draft or have any discussion with you or others involved in the drafting of this. I'm just saying...] This bill requires that the executive follow the law — this and this alone, not the President being able to do as he pleases without oversight.
Notes that this does not excuse individual behavior from folks in the executive branch. Looks forward to working with colleagues in the future. Urges a vote for this bill.
Reyes: Thinks this is a good bill and a good compromise and worthy of support.
Ayes have it on previous question.
Conyers asks for yays and nays. Vote recording will go for 15 minutes.
(YouTube — a little Carole King, because I needed something mellow…)



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Inslee was great.
barfing here.
Did Hoyer and Pelosi get a couple of horse heads delivered overnight this week?
barfing here.
Poor Steny. They worked so damn hard to give Bush everything he wanted and more.
(((angie & all)))
I’m running out of sick bags.
wow we do have a blueprint…on WHO needs to go………….all of them…america is no longer free
I hope the real true blue dems stick it to their “leadership” today. I’ll be interested to see how my rep votes (Speier). She’s new and her office says she’s opposed to telecom immunity.
none of the leadership’s arguments make any sense from a tactical or substantive point of view.
what is really going on here?
Is that Carole King? Man she looks hot with that curly gray hair.
Steny’s days are numbered. With luck he will be ousted in November. Better he be replaced by a Rethuglican than keep his seat. We can take the seat back in 2 years with a REAL patriot Dem.
I WANT MY 4TH AMENDMENT BACK GODDAMNIT!
Everyone Hoyer is thanking – they are all complicit in criminal coverup.
Where’s Steny’s statuette?
This is a violation of their oath they swore.
Did I just hear Reyes call Benedict Hoyer an “MVP”? Did I hear him refer to the patience of Job? I am beyond apoplectic.
earlier collusion.
I need to behave myself. My granddaughter is here and I keep yelling “a**hole at the TV.
Hoyer…tribute to Roy Blount.
I’m laughing at that, but I’m crying, too. Seriously, though. Given the lack of any logical reason that Democrats resurrected this piece of shite, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, I really do wonder if plain old abject fear is the motivator.
Nothing else makes sense. Harman said she knows she’ll probably be primaried but she’s voting for it anyway. She came really close to losing her primary race last time around. What would motivate her to lose her job to support this bill?
I really am starting to think it is fear that is a little more tangible than just “fear of looking soft on terror”.
Steny’s taking his victory lap.
guess there’s no reason to hang around for the vote. Back later – being red-faced, spitting, yelling furious has worked up an appetite…
Oh yeah, and Fuck You Steny!!!
Steny is lauding Roy Blunt for his leadership. I’m moving to New Zealand.
Can we just all agree? That we will work to make sure this asshole is gone in the fall? Even if it means working for his rethug challenger?
Steny …your gonna get a YOUNGER ,SMARTER WELL FUNDED challenger,get another line of work…you stunning pig
Isn’t he about finished?
Hoyer on compromise, I am comprised.
I want to see that picture of Hoyer again when he soiled his shorts while Kucinich brought the articles of impeachment.
long process, to eviscerate OUR constitution, that which they all swore to uphold, and are now simply discarding.
Honestly and sincerely, isn’t this TREASON?
They just spoke against the Constitution of the US!!!
Gee if your bill has so many civil liberties protections how come everyone in the civil liberties community is AGAINST it?
Then he can lobby for AT&T and Verizon!!!
Everyone Hoyer is thanking –
Should now become priorities for Howie.
DIGG THIS
all that have spoken so far, all know that they are breaking the law of the land…
– I’m moving to New Zealand. –
I’m stayin’ here and letting Congress take care of my, umm, lazy ass.
Steny: “No one gets everything he or she wants.” Oh, really?
LOL, my boy just informed me that that saying Fuck over and over again means I’m swearing a lot…
harman had a challenger, but it wasnt close in the primary.
she basically buried her with money.
No one gets what he or she wants. And the American People don’t get representation or our basic civil liberties.
This has GOT to look horrific in historical retrospection.
me too.
Our product? That just says it all.
I’m depressed, disgusted, demoralized and now deprived of my rights.
you are too.
It’s a sad pathetic day in our history.
No one but Cheney.
We ned to start bestowing annual awards called the “Stenies” to the sorriest SOBs in Congress.
“land of the free, home of the brave” neither represented by Hoyer.
FISA is the exclusive means for intercepting communications….except when it isn’t.
Hoekstra was on Washington Journal this morning and each and every single answer contained the phrase “protect Americans.” I couldn’t help thinking of this famous (and over-used) quote from Plato:
“This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector.”
Did he just accuse the President of breaking the law?
Is Hoyer closing?
Hoyer is a fool…
Why don’t they just cancel elections while they are at it? Oh wait..
I think the American people deserve to know exactly what the specific threat is, that caused the complete capitulation of the Democratic majority. If the threat is sooooo great, we need to know what it is. We need to be able to prepare ourselves for it. Because, we all know that if we are attacked again, we will be left to our own vises.
(((angie)))
i cried when the MCA was passed, but today i can’t even do that. i’m just heartbroken.
“Atlas Shrugged”
Oh god, tell me Harry Reid is the firewall we have left.
I stand corrected. I thought it was a lot closer than that. Thought I remembered her even stating that it wasn’t very pleasant for her.
Well, she’s probably right, then. Ignore us DFH’s, because we can’t do anything about her anyway.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06…..ref=slogin
stenies, I like it.
I have no doubt that the Bush administration will have a false flag attack to help McCain get elected so how does getting rid of the 4th amendment prevent that?
I am beyond heartbroken. I left heartbroken several years ago….
there are NO MORE LAWS!!! period
“striking the balance btwn liberty and security is never easy” so fuck liberty, right Steny? Fuck you.
Hoyer is a
fooltool…Fixed that for ya, no charge.
lovely video Christy, but with friends like these…
It was kind of weird to see Steny and Reid on the TV yesterday. Steny looked absolutely stoned, like a player after a big game, like he wasn’t really present and was thinking about something else. I mean, it was odd.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06…..ref=slogin
yup
ROFL!!! That was a good one!
He already IS a paid lobbyist for ATT and Verizon.
It’s just off the books.
Gee…Steny says we can review this disgrace in five years. I feel a whole lot better now!
Yes, and he stopped to think about that which he said. “Pres didn’t follow the previous FISA law, but we are making clear THIS IS THE ONE (tapping finger on podium) by which we will follow henceforth. sunsets 2012.
Obama is the firewall we have left.
Anyone ready to trust him to do the right thing?
*crickets*
It’s checkmate: if you stay, you are subjected to the whim of the Executive; if you leave, you are victimized by our foreign policy.
BTW, don’t they know that Bush is simply going to issue a signing statement that says,”I am not bound to respect these limitations when they conflict with my inherent Article II authority.” or something similar?
I like that idea, does it come with a Pelosi Premium?
I’m closing in on uncomfortably numb.
“Compromise” is nothing more than capitulation to another group within your own country.
Will this be simple majority or 2/3?
Imperius curse?
Thank-you Darling..
– Oh god, tell me Harry Reid is the firewall we have left. –
Harry Reid as a firewall? Firewood maybe. He’s dull and dumb as a box of rocks.
grotesque…comes to mind
Being a Fool and being a Tool are not mutually exclusive.
Hoyer is both.
Another Black Friday for the history books. I’m almost speechless with rage…but I did manage to send off an email to Nancy, suggesting early retirement and letting her know that my 57 years of voting straight D have come to en end.
I had not heard the expression “ordered liberty” before yesterday, but that’s what Bush wants, and that’s what he is getting with this FISA legislation.
Bush on Law Day 2008:
“The right of ordinary men and women to determine their own future, protected by the rule of law, lies at the heart of America’s founding principles. As our country celebrates the 50th anniversary of Law Day, we renew our commitment to the ideals on which this great Nation was established and to a robust system of ordered liberty.”
Bush giving the Medal of Freedom to Laurence Silberman yesterday:
“Laurence H. Silberman has devoted his life to promoting, enforcing, and defending the rule of law. As a judge, he has been a clear-eyed guardian of the Constitution, and he has applied the law with wisdom and integrity. From the Cold War to the War on Terror, his work to strengthen the institutions that protect our Nation has made Americans safer and their liberties more secure. The United States honors Laurence Silberman for his resolute service to the Nation and his stalwart efforts to advance the cause of ordered liberty.”
I think it means that the alcoholic frog shooter couldn’t handle REAL liberty, so he’s going to make the rest of us suffer.
[dugg]
Surrender your freedom for your protection!
There is the coming attack on Iran and the Iranian response. Nail Iran in, say, Sept and maybe in time for an “October Surprise” the Iranian response…
whats the vote?
They tried to do a voice vote…
we all know what the Italians did to the fascists on April 28, 1945.
Dugg it.
Hey kids, I have an idea!! Let’s play a game! with our own rules!!
Let’s wiretap Nancy, Harry, and Steny. and give each other immunity. Good times.
Simple majority will carry the day. It’ll pass the Senate with ease.
I don’t know how it would help with that, but eviscerating the 4th will help them compile their list of who to round up when we protest the next war.
rushed this rhe fuk through….and Dems were the one to fuk us the worst
conyers demands an ayes and nays after a voice vote passed
Bob Barr is the only candidate that opposes spying on US citizens without a warrant. He’s starting to look better all the time.
Yeah, let’s get Yeahs and Nays, and take names. Fuck every one of you who vote Yay.
Manchurian?
I have said this repeatedly since King George was annointed in 2000, but this has to be the low-water mark of this regime.
Thanks. I think…
– robust system of ordered liberty –
New World Order, etc. etc.
Government “by the people” was killed off long ago. And mostly it’s the people’s own fault by asking for more government to help THEIR pet projects.
im just really looking to move abroad
I think I’m closing in on the bar, myself
So, what have we learned new in all the years hence? Not much, it seems.
Toby, did you catch Arcuri’s vote?
bush / rethugs: do what we say and we shoot your puppies.
Ayes and Nays about even for Dems so far. Repubs all voting Aye of course.
And for the bad timing award, PFAW sent out an e-mail in the middle of this celebrating gay marriage in CA. Our constitution is being shredded and PFAW tries to change the subject? WTF?
Once this vote is over in the House, when does it go to the Senate ?
On Jun 20, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Rep. Nancy Pelosi wrote:
Thank you for contacting my office.
Congressional courtesy prevents me from replying to emails if I cannot determine that you are a constituent of mine.
To which I just replied:
No, you’re not my Congresswoman. And thank god you’re not. You shamed yourself today. I’ve never been so disgusted with my own Party–and its so-called Leadership. I was trained as a historian at Yale, Madame Speaker, and I’m telling you: You’re going to go down as one of the worst Democratic Speakers ever. You disgraced yourself today. j
Put in the most simple terms:
If the telecoms did not break the law, why do they need immunity? It doesn’t get much simpler than that.
I never thought I’d see the day when Scottie McClellan shows more integrity than Pelosi/Hoyer et al.
So. Now we’re living in the national equivalent of a ma#ia neighborhood?
We pay for protection and pray not to offend the bosses?
Attack Iran? My prediction is for the new moon, week of July 29th. Knock the Dem convention off the TV, divide the electorate, disillusion the new, young, and idealistic voters, and kill a bunch of Iranians, all in one shot.
and how utterly pathetic is that?
and even worse, I agree.
I know. Thanks for the help, people.
They’ll publish the full vote at some point later. They don’t do it by name but by button push in the House. We’ll get specifics when the full vote is published. And I’ll get that link up when it’s available.
“ordered liberty”
That is creepy. Can’t wait to hear it from every talking head and right wing blogger.
1. Lie
2. Repeat lie.
3. See 1
I dunno, maybe McCain is the way to go. At least he’ll run the country into ground faster.
“Next week” is what I keep hearing … i.e., before the 4th.
Coffee machine discussion with an otherwise intelligent co-worker.
(we have a TV in the lunchroom)
Me: Oh look, heres Bush to talk about FISA
Co-worker:
I sent this to Steny yesterday:
Congressman Hoyer:
I am a 55-year-old New Hampshire resident. I have been a life-long Democrat.
To say that I have been disappointed by the actions of the 110th Congress would be an understatement in the extreme, but nothing has so disgusted and alienated me as your proposed ‘compromise’ bill on FISA.
By granting immunity to telecoms that broke the law, you have successfully established that there are two sets of laws in this country. One set applies to those with deep pockets who can pay off lawmakers such as you. The other set applies to the ‘little people’ like me who have no recourse whatsoever. I hope you can live with yourself after having betrayed your constituents and, indeed, all Americans in this manner.
Many of my fellow New Hampshire Democrats view this as the most craven exercise in power that we have ever seen. I am leaving the Democratic Party and I, largely, credit you with my decision.
I don’t anticipate a reply from you as you’ll probably be too busy being feted by AT&T and your friends at Verizon.
I’m at work — hold on
No, the simplest terms are that it is Bu’ush and Cheney who need the protection. The telecoms are a red herring.
We have just emboldened Bush cabal. again.
Under common courtroom and legal principles, when one party (other than an accused criminal) refuses to give evidence, the jury is entitled to draw the strongest negative inference.
That the government won’t disclose the extent of it’s surveillance entitles the public to draw the strongest negative inference. The government is LYING when it says it respects the fourth amendment.
Co-worker: What’s FISA?
There you have the crux of the problem.
Not an effing thing.
cspan taking calls re fisa
202 585-3886 – dem
202 585-3887 – ind
Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!
We need you!!!
Wow, the caller on CSPAN sounds like a Firepup.
What about Nader? I can’t believe he would support this?
It goes to the Senate immediately (within minutes), but the timing of asking to make it the pending business of the Senate is up to Senator Reid.
Sure did!! Okay….who was it????? Who was it??? dmac?
Dang – the vote is not on the house site yet…
Thanks Christy. For everything.
Yes it did, and so did the second, and third…
Is it going to the senate to be voted on today??
no offense, i realize i’m naive, but i do wish you’d stop tossing idea scraps to the hyenas.
Dems and Repubs on the call in are in agreement. Everyone is disgusted.
– Now we’re living in the national equivalent of a ma#ia neighborhood? –
Just so.
That would work too. The added benefit for the tyrants in BOTH parties is that it provides lots of time for multiple Iranian retaliations, from which an “emergency” can be declared and the November election can be canceled or feared up into a McSame win.
Months of Iranian retaliations could lead to general, universal (illegal and unconstitutional) domestic spying all on the say-so of Bush/Cheney!
It would be political suicide to go against a President with a 24% job approval rating.
Vote is over, for all intents/purposes. Even if every Dem voted nay now, the bill passes, presuming all Repubs vote aye.
Smooch, Christy, for all that you do. My blood pressure is through the roof…but thank you for all that you do. :)
The Bu’ush lifelong M.O.
ZERO accountability. Still working.
General Taguba:
Think anything will come of it?
Think gain.
Caller to c-Span just nailed it: Obama’s silence on this is deafening. Point. Set. Match.
Oops, I forgot about Darth Nader. Psychologists say people tend to block out unpleasant thoughts.
it won’t be until it is declared closed—sometimes critters change at the last minute.
I’m waiting to see whether or not I’m going to be working against my congresscritter this cycle.
– Is it going to the senate to be voted on today?? –
No vote in the Senate today. Maybe not even a mention, although I kind of expect a UC request to make it pending after passage of Housing Bailout. If there is objection to that request, Reid will file a cloture motion to limit debate on the motion to proceed.
we have to start punishing these no-good motherfucking fascists, not only with ads, but with pranks.
let’s get togther a shitload of people to follow Steny around like the Verizon network ads. we’ll just keep shouting “can you hear me now?!?!?!” constantly.
by the way, the Majority Leader’s office just told me that if I came down in person, they’d sic armed guards on me. Seriously, no lie.
callers to C-Span rock!!!!!
Watch Bush & the Repugs slam the “Nay” Dems as unpatriotic while Pelosi, Hoyer & Co remain silent …
Christy and all… Thank-you so very much for trying so hard to keep us on top of this…Love you all. :)
“….a sad day for America.” I have yet to hear a c-Span caller defending this outrage.
Called Steny’s office and expressed my contempt in no uncertain terms!!
Let’s see now..and who is ‘out of commission’ in the Senate? Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd…Hillary is ‘on vacation’ — holy s**t – what a complete mess…
and the dumb dipshit is at
That caller’s assertion that Obama could have stopped this with a phone call demonstrates extreme naivety, as does your agreement.
This caller is so mad she can hardly speak. Everyone sounds angry and disgusted.
all the callers so far have been outraged even the thugs
all of them!
I can hear the scratch of KO’s pen in terms of a really hot ’special comment’ tonight.
Who’s the Rethug running against Hoyer?
Even the repub callers are upset!
EW has a letter up to Obama.
Im grossly sicken by ALL THE BACKSLAPPING too
florida republican outraged too! “it’s a threat to us”
very upset.
This gives me hope. The people believe in freedom even if the legislators don’t.
mute time. the chipanzee in cheif is now gloating
Don’t think Obama could have de-railed this in the House. He certainly can rise to the occasion in the Senate and I expect him to do so.
cspan conveniently switches to hearing Bush on FISA because the callers on all of the lines were anti-FISA
It’s why it says nothing that a Congressperson voted against it. It’s a cosmetic vote, a done deal, a fraud. Except for those few progressive Democrats who voted (with game playing Republicans) last February to kill extension of the PAA, you can not know that any Democrat who votes against this bill does so from conviction.
rerun of the giggling chimp
Yeah! I’m listening. They’ve got 3 lines, D, R, & I, and ALL the callers seem to be slamming congress.
Right now a R called in to smack Dems for invading her privacy. Uh, Steny?
hey, look! One republican voted No.
Hmmm, let’s see…can anyone else envision a complete turnover? A completely pissed off electorate could be a really good thing.
OMG, hearing from the prez. I gotta turn it off this will send me round the bend.
Right now we are are living through a great lesson if we grab hold of it. The Obama campaign has demonstrated that if we organize and utilize the vast fund raising ability of the internet we can accomplish change in our leadership. We can be bold and target those that repeatedly fail us. We have some really good candidates like Donna Edwards. Marcy Burner has a very good shot this time around. I think we can weed out these intrenched Judas’s and reform the Party. The climate is primed more now than ever before. We have more people paying attention. It is important that we not forgive and forget these betrayals, but fund and support the challengers. It won’t take that many lost seats to send the message that we are force not to be ignored.
people calling into c-span very upset and disgusted!!!!
I can’t even get excited about that any more.
It’s over.
that they do!
I’m back. I had to run and hit the mute button when Chimpy came on. That guy makes me nauseous.
Scottie’s back up..
oo thanks Loo Hoo! He needs to Step UP and Speak UP.
Which is why we are now hearing tape of Bush.
– One republican voted No. –
Ron Paul.
Nit’s gloating on C-3. Just muted barely in time. Out of bags…
Try to imagine just how much our Overlords care.
I changed to Cspan 3 to watch Scotty. Chimpy I can’t bear.
They’re fair and balanced!
Not to be harsh towards you personally Toby, but so what?
KO’s special comments are just public expressions of the outrage we all feel and then are ignored. Nothing ####### changes. We’re all jsut a bunch of stupid voters to be manipulated into giving these hosers more power.
go ahead you #######! drill our land into kingdom come, wiretap us, take our money, drain us dry. #### you all!
God, even the republican lines on CSPAN are protesting this bill. I’m expecting the knock on the dooor any moment now.
I expect him to do that, and if he doesn’t he likely will get my vote but not my money and not my volunteer efforts. I am signed up to do stuff.
The enemy attacked us on election day, 2000.
are you listening to these c-span calls ??!! if nothing else makes it clear how deadly the obama silence is, these americans are. every caller has anger, sorrow and disbelief in their voice. this is like audio torture, the helpless victim begging for relief…terra y libertad no mas.
Let’s vote all the incumbent bastards out. parties don’t matter.
I actually feel a little better hearing all the republican callers sharing our outrage. We really are in this together. The American people versus this increasingly facist government.
probably Ron Paul.
I’ve actually had to (gasp) work today. Has there been any scintilla of leadership from either Obama or Clinton on this? Or has it been all crickets? (Here’s hoping this question does not engender one of those “next in our series of one-word-answers” replies… but I’m not holding out much hope.)
Well, broadcasting the pResident’s remarks should really sink the bill, you would think
Call-ins on c-span overwhelmingly against bill.
Dems, Repugs, Independents.
thanks for the heads-up!
Scotty’s back, folks.
Again…who is running against Hoyer on the GOP side?
Well a Bush Republican finally got through on cspan
911 911 911 terra terra terra
Probably had to screen a lot of calls to find one.
Call your Representative . . .
Call Pelosi . . .
Call Hoyer . . .
Lotta good that did.
This fucking Republic is broken.
If/when we are attacked again, it will be because of the policies of the United States Governemnt, and our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. It will not be because we did not have a FISA Bill with telecom immunity.
Oh, by the way happy summer soltice everone. Might as well be happy about something.
Caller talking about the Gang of 8. Good for them!
Race tracker for MD-05 says Collins Bailey.
Caller on CSPAN: “all these people way out in left field don’t understand there are people out there that want to destroy this country…”
You, sir, do not understand that those are the people who are in charge.
I’m lovin’ these republican callers. This woman saying someone needs to go to jail. Can you say tipping point?
So enjoy your victory you stupid thugs. Your number is coming up fast.
caller talking about the gang of 8 knowing about the illegal spying and how this is being passed to cover their asses.
that about says it.
– Let’s vote all the incumbent bastards out. parties don’t matter. –
Not to be flip, but that’ll happen about the time hell has icebergs.
I say it again
it’s TREASON.
106 Democratic traitors.
More than half of the Dems voted NO.
It was a bid for presidential power that keep impeachment off the table.
Leadership has it’s priorities misplaced.
295 reps voted against the constitution today.
Yes. Fear is one theory. The Capitol was a target.
But this doesn’t enhance security one iota from such an attack.
Oh, no offense taken at all, dosido — I just thought this is just the sort of thing that brings out the total frothing-at-the-mouth-you-sir-are-a-liar sort of stuff from KO. So, we are not in disagreement at all.
Al-Qaeda doesn’t need to attack again. BushCo is doing a fine job of destroying our freedoms without them.
Down with Pelosi.
Down with Hoyer.
Throw the bums out.
right on!
Republics just lost the Nov. election.
That means they are complicit—that they have something to hide.
Well we better start planning our response soon because once the terror campaign starts they will probably shut down the internet so that only essential government agencies can use it.
There were those in Rome that longed for the reimposition of the Republic. Their dream never was realized. I fear those that long for a reimposition of the rule of law in the U.S. will share the same tragic disappointment.
breathtaking.
So did the Dems
That margin of passage will be duplicated or bettered in the Senate. Better than 2:1 in favor.
and we are taking names!
If CSPAN starts taking calls again, and anyone is able to get through…give this link over the air:
http://www.actblue.com/page/fisa
only one caller for the bill – all others were horrified for the constitution and the rule of law. one said she was scared for herself/country
i think we need a list.
i’m off to make a working version – we’re going to have to pull out the blue dogs who were voting with the Rs instead of against the PAA.
Those people who would destroy the nation are not “out there” but walking the halls of Congress.
I’ll donate to her campaign. I don’t give a shit if she’s a republican.
time will tell.
125 against
– they will probably shut down the internet so that only essential government agencies can use it. –
Not well known, but there are parallel and independent networks. It’s possible to shut down the public side, while keeping the government/military side in full swing.
Thank you selise!
I want to see the names of the 106 traitors on the Democratic side.
all of a sudden 2 want their names removed as co-sponsors!
I’m just picturing the portrait of the chimp signing this piece of shite with Nancy and Stainy standing over him smiling.
Can’t write the words here that come to mind.
That is over 100 Dems that need to get voted out.
Thanks. Found it. I just donated $40 to Collins Bailey in his run against Hoyer. Yesterday I paid into the fund to attack Hoyer, Brown, and Carney.
ANYTHING is acceptable to me, even giving money to a Rethuglican, to defeat Hoyer and the rest.
sorry 293. my tv screen is small and eyes are wavy with anger.
So if they have 5 days to revise and extend their remarks does that mean that it won’t be in the Senate for 5 days or does it immediately go to the Senate?
Fresh thread, up and running for everyone…
I say its up to Obama and Dodd,Finegold, the Land of the free rests in their hands.
all I care about now is revenge on the traitors who sold us out.
I don’t care if it’s people I supported before, hell I wouldn’t care if it was my own parents, but there is trouble on the line for these sonsuvbitches.
and I’ve heard rumors google has the capacity to run their own Internet
The huge margin in the House makes it near impossible for any Senator to stick his/her neck out to delay passage.
I think that was housekeeping on other bills, not sure though. I know my heart skipped a beat too.
Act Blue $255,303
Save that pic when it’s published. I need a new dartboard.
Wait. We need to be organized about it. Pick a high profile Dino who is vulnerable and work together for this fall. If Hoyer is vulnerable then fine. But we need to all work together and take out just one high profile Dino. The rest will fall in line.
Who?
Can’t wait to see the signing statement on that one :/
Not that it matters in this context, but Collins is a dude. A very white dude (as one would expect for a GOPer).
I donated to his campaign just a minute ago.
When Germany invaded the USSR i 1941, one thing they expected was for the Soviet government to collapse: “Kick the door in, and the whole rotten structure will come down.” is what Hitler said. This model applied to 9/11 and the US looks like this: Pull off one major attack, and they’ll destroy themselves.”
Very sad.
Why would the Republicans waste money running against one of their own?
o thanks – i didn’t pay attention to bill numbers.
new thread, with an appropriate zed…
I am TOTALLY with you on that.
– So if they have 5 days to revise and extend their remarks does that mean that it won’t be in the Senate for 5 days or does it immediately go to the Senate? –
No. It’ll be off to the Senate before the day is done. The 5 days to revise and extend just gives Reps time to make a formal entry in the Congressional Record.
Fire the Blue Dogs Lake!
I read a government report awhile back where they discusssed having only essential government agencies on line in the event of a medical emergency.
true indeed, so very true indeed. Not to mention how much aid and comfort they have given that enemy.
A day that will live in infamy.
sorry didn’t catch names – one woman with reddish hair and one bald guy.
I thought that was the case but I was hoping that I was wrong.
Comments are blocked to me on the thread upstairs as “tasteless or obscene,” so I guess pups are registering distress…
I mean that google can possibly run an Internet outside of the US gov’t, in spite of the US gov’t. A free and functioning Internet without the US gov’t.
Checking C-SPAN2, I think the Senate is adjourned for the weekend.
Cool but I bet they shut that down too.
No longer can be called the peoples” House Of Representatives”
It must now be called the “House Of Traitors” and if you must contact your representative who voted for this sell-out always start by saying ” Is my traitor representative available…
I don’t think that’s what they fear. You’re right, this won’t make them more secure, and most of them are smart enough to realize that. If anything, it will make their jobs less secure, because now whoever is President can listen in on them.
They’re voting themselves out of power. Why in the world would they do that?
The ramifications of the bill not being “mentioned” in the Senate today is that first mention will happen on Monday, when Senator Reid asks UC to take up FISA. The UC would probably be, “UC to take up FISA when the Senate completes action on the Housing Bailout,” which is a somewhat indefinite time. If there is objection to that, Reid can file a cloture motion to limit debate on the motion to take up FISA. If he files that on Monday, the cloture vote to limit debate on the motion to proceed would be Wednesday morning, and the 30 hours of post-cloture debate running out Thursday afternoon.
Then, someone (probably REID) would seek UC to vote on passage. Objection can be asserted against that, too.
I’ve frequently seen parallel cloture motions (on an amendment and final passage), but there can’t be a paralleling of “motion to proceed” and “final passage,” because theoretically, the motion to proceed can be rejected, so there is no pending matter (amendment or bill) that could be subjected to a vote.
– They’re voting themselves out of power. Why in the world would they do that? –
They don’t think they are voting themselves out of power. And most of them are probably right.
I will donate to help remove Pelosi, Hoyer and Conyers, even if we get repugs for a couple of years.
Thanks for the Carole King. It is welcome.
I’m feeling just devastated about this FISA loss. We have been making these calls off and on all year. I have written so many emails … written so many times to Dianne Feinstein, and Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid, and …
I should have worked harder … I should have made more calls.
They had to do this practically in the middle of the night in order to pass it. Because there is so much opposition to it, and very little if any public support.
This vote is the poster child for the case that Washington is now against the exercise of democracy, and is cut of in its own oligarchic bubble from people out here. They have dismantled the Constitution they were sworn to uphold. I am for working to defeat each one of them — Starting with Steny Hoyer of course.
Jackson Lee kicking ass!!!!
Revenge is a dish best served cold. Hoyer and Pelosi will get their just desserts in due time. They spit on the graves of those who fought and died for the Constitution including the 4th Amendment. They would sell their country out and the honor and memory of those lying in hallowed and unhallowed ground around the world for a bag of silver.