On Tuesday John McCain bravely told cheering Houston oil executives that the U.S. should encourage more domestic oil production, especially drilling off US coasts, a proposal the White House will now front even though its long-run effect would be minimal. [More on the offshore drilling proposal from Mother Jones, and CNN notes McCain's flip/flop (h/t Steve Benen at C&L)]
McCain then embraced the rationale and basic elements of Jimmy Carter's energy policies from 30 years ago, policies that Reagan, Bush I and Bush II tried to starve.
As almost every US politician does today, McCain emphasized how our economic and national security are undermined by an overreliance on imported oil, especially from autocratic regimes hostile to the US. Carter gave a similar speech in the 1970s, except he wore a sweater and spoke next to a fireplace, while McCain spoke comfortably in an air conditioned room in one of the most air-conditioned cities of the US.
To end our oil addiction, Carter told the nation we should promote conservation, develop alternative energy sources and technologies, subsidize efforts to make coal-based energy cleaner, and rely much more on nuclear power. He proposed we begin to move away from reliance on imported oil by expanding domestic production and developing oil substitutes, such as liquid derivatives from coal. The same basic concepts were in McCain's speech yesterday.
Jimmy Carter faced another oil crisis, also caused by US meddling in the Middle East in ways that sparked the Iranian revolution, OPEC oil embargoes, and a doubling and quadrupling of world oil prices. Bush has presided over a five- to six-fold price increase. John McCain has finally come around to Carter's strategic assessment that our degree of dependence on oil is a danger to our security, but unlike Carter, McCain has not yet connected US military misadventures to our strategic energy vulnerabilities.
Thirty years ago, we realized that a critical piece of a sound energy policy is that the US should not start unnecessary, unprovoked wars in the Middle East. Promoting peace in the Middle East through negotiations among hostile parties made both security and energy sense. But McCain can't connect these dots without conceding Obama was right and admitting his own advocacy of invading Iraq was a huge blunder. He can't admit the link between today's volatile oil markets and his advocacy of the surge, sabre-rattling on Iran, and telling the Muslim world he plans to stay in Iraq for a hundred years.
And McCain didn't help matters with his intemperate condemnation of last week's Supreme Court ruling that people indiscriminately swept up in Bush's disastrous terror war and held indefinitely should be accorded the fundamental human right of having the government justify to an impartial tribunal why they're being held. He shares that disdain with those oil producing nations with authoritarian regimes. But their citizens know whose nationals were tortured and held at Gitmo and Bagram, and they know McCain says it's okay for the CIA and Bush to keep doing that.
McCain lamented today's high energy prices -- oil at $134/bbl, gas at over $4/gallon -- and noted predictions they could go much higher. But he never linked the necessity of high prices -- or taxes that might replicate them -- to the economic viability of his preferred alternatives.
Spending only two lines on energy conservation, his only near-term solution was the gas-tax holiday scheme. Gasoline prices have already risen more than the tax of 18.4 cents/gallon in the two months since he first proposed the idea. So if we'd done exactly what McCain advocated then, gas prices would be about where they are today, except imports would be higher, the oil producers would be billions richer and the Highway Trust Fund would be short about the same amount.
McCain also managed to misrepresent Obama's energy views on coal, taxes and climate change -- likely a major purpose of the speech -- but in the process he contradicted himself on global climate change, implying we should build more conventional coal plants. He did that by criticizing Obama for not advocating conventional coal, even though Obama, like McCain, consistently uses the terms "clean coal."
But don't worry about this confusion; there will likely be a clarification today or perhaps tomorrow, since the straight talker's campaign has already issued two different "clarifications" about his support (or is it opposition?) to the "mandatory" aspects of a cap-and-trade system. As best I can tell, McCain's strategy appears to be to provide at least one statement in support of each side of every issue. I think he's now got cap-and-trade surrounded.
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Scarecrow! I’ve become convinced, we should just change the entire Country into a gigantic oilfield. Just as the first nine drilling rigs can go into the living rooms of John McCain’s homes.
Good Morning Scarecrow,
It is one more of our failures as a nation that we did not start a Moonshot/Manhattan Project on energy back then. We’d be living in a completely different world today if we had made the commitment then to develop more and better energy sources. But we may as well get started now.
Even better, coal powered drilling rigs…
Who is more foolish? The fool or those who follow the fool?
McShitForBrains is a fool.
Looks like the administration is going to use the next 5 months for an all out drive to get the crap they’ve wanted and been rebuffed on for the past 7 1/2 years. Bu’ushCo is bound and determined to turn our country into a oligarchy before November.
Actually, we did turn the country into an oil patch. It’s in the asphalt streets we drive on and the plastics we use every day. I think my computer screen is derived from oil. Each week, I collect my plastics, etc for recycling, and I’m always dismayed by how much I use without even thinking about it.
Good morning everyone.
Morning Crow,
Hump day Questions : How do we claim the right to find and drain every last drop of oil from mother earth ?
Do future generations have any claim to the oil 100 years from now?
Are we positive crude oil serves no greater purpose in the functioning of the mechanics of planet earth other than to move tons of FUV’s to go pick up a quart of milk?
Are the accelerating gas prices Cheney’s final solution to eliminate any restraints placed how on the oil industry goes about it’s business?
Did I mention I would like some PEACE NOW
Carter actually had that vision — at the time, some of us thought he focused too much on coal-based oil derivatives, something that was economically suspect, but since we had centuries worth of coal reserves, he thought it the right strategic move. California (starting with Jerry Brown) decided that energy efficiency was the better bet and we poured lots of efforts, money and regulation into that — and that turns out to have been a good investment.
Morning, Scarecrow.
Indeed. Three full tubs to to the curb every two weeks.
I wonder if there will be a time when Johnny McTeleprompter will be actually running for his 2nd try for the presidency rather than running for Jimmy Carter’s 2nd term and George Bush’s 3rd term? Huh. This could be why McTeleprompter is so delusional. He has no idea who he is! Bah hahahahahahaha!
Great post, Scarecrow. ;-)
Are the accelerating gas prices Cheney’s final solution to eliminate any restraints placed how on the oil industry goes about it’s business?
The oil industry acquired the Executive Branch by hostile takeover in 2000.
I wonder how they’ll react to the new management.
[Mod Note; Comment edited by moderator. In the comment section at FDL, please do not suggest acts of violence or harm on others. Thank you.]
I’ve been in the process of replacing everything plastic in my kitchen with either metal, glass or ceramic, down to the food dishes for the tigers. I was having a hard time trying to find a glass bottle that would serve as a small water bottle until one evening I wanted a beer and bought a quart of Miller. I was pouring it into a glass and DING. Glass bottle, screw cap. Duh. It ain’t easy because plastic has become so pervasive that it’s hard to find products made from anything else.
McSame seems to think the high prices for oil are caused by lack of production.
There’s a report out, done by the government, that says drilling in ANWR might have dropped the price of oil by as much as $0.75 a barrel.
He seems to think starting drilling now will make a difference by next month; he has no idea of the time needed to get the rigs in place, the wells drilled, the oil shipped to the refineries, and the refineries built (that’s several years, just right there).
Clearly he’s clueless.
Clearly his advisers like it that way.
$0.75 a barrel.
I am not doubting you I just want to be sure I read this right $0.75 a barrel when oil barrels are selling at over $130.00 a barrel? That is the big gas savings McCain and Bush are offering?
These people know exactly what they’re doing. They’re depending on the fat couch potato public not to know that it would be years before oil from ANWR would be available. And not to know that it would go by pipeline to ports on the West coast to be shipped overseas. They’re counting on a fat, dumb and (self-delusional) happy public to stay that way.
On my family’s recent trip to Colorado and back, we drove along I-70 through Kansas. Just outside Russell, which proudly proclaims itself the boyhood home of both Bob Dole and Arlen Specter, there’s a growing wind farm energy production facility. The farmers love it, because the only give up a small plot of land for each windmill’s base and they can still farm the land around — while receiving a stead stream of regular income.
If farmers in Kansas can get behind something like this, maybe we’re on the right path to change.
Kansas Wind Energy Project info here.
And they counting on the fact that MSM won’t tell them.
In college, way back when, I had a prof who bemoaned the waste of burning oil because we were burning up a perfectly good but finite raw material, useful for plastics etc.
I, for one, am glad we don’t ues glass shampoo bottles anymore. But then again, phthalates, Bisphenol-A, and the like; wow, messing up the endocrine systems of life — and not just in the scared human — is more than a “cause for concern”
And as for coal, living at the edge of the Coal Region in NE PA and seeing the blight on the landscape and the depression of the area just from tailings piles and acid leeching, aren’t we smarter than this?
I long for some leadership on responsible energy use and responsible energy production, it’s our number one priority. More grownups, please.
Good point all American oil must be sold in America! Not overseas! Lets watch McCain/Bush backpedal and spin why American oil must be sold overseas to the American public.
Bill Sher at Campaign for America’s Future does some calculations on the effect of coastal offshore drilling. The link is in the post. He’s using US EIA figures.
Good point all American oil must be sold in America! Not overseas!
Oil remains a global commodity.
Any extraction from ANWR would be put on the market at the going price, and shipped to the shortest destination: Asia.
No. These knuckleheads can’t sell it.
I don’t think isolating US oil for US consumption changes much. Price is set globally. And about 60 percent of our oil consumption is supplied by imports, including lot from Mexico and Canada.
I see one of our tasks being to counteract that very thing. It’s not enough to come to places like the Lake and preach to the choir. Each and every one of us needs to educate those we interact with, on whatever level.
At the water cooler:
“See what the Celtics did last night?”
“No, did ya see what vegetables cost yesterday? Did ya see that gas went up 12 cents overnight?”
Might not make ya the most popular person at work but it might just smarten some folks up.
One person at a time and never give up.
A drive up PA 61 gets pretty ugly in spots, too.
Thanks for that, because I’m in the camp that if we are going to burn the oil, we shouldn’t leave the mess of its production all over the rest of the globe just to protect ourselves from the environmental damage. It’s just not fair. But it is important to know just how much benefit we’d actual gain from doing this.
Btw, does anyone have a source on the leases the oil companies all ready have that they are not using? And how much oil could be extracted from those leases?
True but politically arguing to back the selling of American oil to foreigners when oil prices are this high is a loser. I want McCain/Bush and all the GOP talking heads to defend that idea on TV.
doesn’t it?! Driving through St. Clair is heartbreaking. (not to mention what a freakin’ lousy road 61 is) and Centralia is still burning!
Isaiah Poole mentioned this here.
Good Morning Scarecrow and Firedogs,
and the villagers weigh in -
NYT 6/17
but they list it in the “Where They Mostly Disagree” column
Good catch.
Good link but will our Democratic talking heads use any of the information that we have found or will they just bend over and accept what Bush will say about he we need to drill for oil without Questioning a single statement?
OT - a couple of hearings today that might be of interest:
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.
Namaste
So… when he is going to suggest a 55mph speed limit?
waiting……
Thank you for the hearings heads up, selise.
I should include the Democrats in Congress as well.
In watching the MSNBC lineup, Hardball and Dan Abrams, this and other issues were discussed in terms of the presidential campaign. On every issue, including gasoline, facts and the truth had little to do with the discussion. The panels almost always agreed that demogagery and “pandering” to the ignorance of the electorate offered the best campaign technique. Accordingly, they usually concluded that McCain was a winner in the offshore drilling matter and the SC decision regarding habeus corpus.
Since I am still caffeinating up, all I can say is 100-years is full of it. Even if he sounds *concerned* today and has all these little proposals a la Jimmy Carter, I can’t help but believe the price hykes are artificial.
AGain the AFL-CIO factsheet on McCain here(pdf) and here(pdf). According to the fact sheets which I believe would look nice in a community center, etc. oil companies have made astronomical profits and McCain has received largesse for his campaign coffers, more than any Dem candidate. So. . . the writing is on the wall for me here.
oops try that again. McCain plans to continue Bush’s give aways to big oil. (pdf) AFL-Cio. should be too pages.
Er correction too pages>two pages.
Does never work for you? It’s the best you’re gonna get…
the scary part is americans are now going through another shock doctrine with petro, I predicted this a while back, they will now be able to use this petro shock to do whatever they wanted to do with our natural resources, the public will demand excavating off our coast for more fuel
and the funny thing is, this affects the price of gas not one bit, our oil industry is allowed to sell our petro on the open market, WHAT THE FRIG IS UP WITH THAT?
it’s NOT “their oil”, it is a national asset that they lease the rights to, it is OUR oil
I want our petro sold HERE, and if we need more petro THEN we go to the open market to buy it
and I want that petro profit FEDERALIZED, it becomse a commons just like water
this is rediculous that we are selling our petro overseas when we are in dire need of it.
in addition, new technological research MUST be mandated, we MUST find more efficient use of our resources and we must find alternative sources
we can be energy independant or close to it in the span of one two term administration
at the very least we need to make a start
off for earning, see all later
Oil prices for the US are not just a function of oil supply. Bush has destroyed the value of the dollar. Even with more supply, it will still be expensive for the US until someone cleans up the Bush dollar mess.
Sounds nice, but you know what the neocons think of Chavez of Venezuala.
They aren’t alternative energy strategies, they’re renewable energy strategies. They’re not an alternative anymore, and shouldn’t have been since before Carter’s presidency. By failing to develop strategies for erecting geothermal, solar and wind-driven infrastructure, we’ve allowed ttrillions of dollars to leave the USA and go to other parts of the world.
For half of what the war is costing us, we could be erecting that infrastructure right now, on a massive scale.
Jimmy Carter appears to have, in prescience, the balance of what he lacks in political skill.
The other issue he understands, of course, is the role that Israeli dispossession of Palestinians plays in destabilizing US security.
Both of these ideas - the finite nature of our energy reserves, and the need for universal human rights - seem to be concepts that the American power elite just isn’t ready for.
Thus the Dems abandoned Carter in 1980, and the GOP now equates him with Hitler.
Those are great ideas that have no chance so long as Republics have any power.
The Oil Cartel has lots of expenses, not counting those high priced K-street types they have to support. It costs money to buy off scientists, and catapult propaganda about the safety of hydrocarbons.
Also, people should expect oil executives to retire with $400 million dollars. It is not that important.
bingo
Selise, is the Senate Subcommittee Part II the second part to the first part last week wherein some unknown R Senator invoked to two hour rule, ending the session before they got too far into questions? I didn’t hear any follow up on that, did you?
Whitehouse was fairly po’d.
There is one big difference though Bush is in charge during this oil crisis and not a Democrat, plus we didn’t promise that our war for oil would be paid for by cheap oil.
You are right the GOP is now using plan B which is to try and blame us to get what they want which is unlimited power.
But unless they steal the election it won’t work.
and then there’s the mother of all canards - Refining Capacity
uh yeah - the extractionists whine to this day about the prohibitive costs of expanding capacity due to all those inconvenient tree huggin regs (pay no attention to that $43B Exxon alone made last fiscal year)
so Senator, just how would the product of all this increased drilling ever get refined ?!?!
yes I know the answer - per their own releases they have “expanded existing facilities” to the equivalent of one new refinery per year (but don’t have to face cleaner fuel mandates as long as it’s “existing”) I just wanna hear someone call them and their puppets on this bs
McCain is really into clarifications on important stuff. Like gets confused as to whether Al Quaeda or Iran is a “threat” in Iraq. That says a lot to me. I am not sure what. Maybe that he’s got demon forces swirling around in his head dueling so noone can be sure what will come out of which side of his mouth or something like that.
Arthur Jensen: It is the international system of currency which determines the vitality of life on this planet. THAT is the natural order of things today. THAT is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today. And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature. And YOU WILL ATONE. Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale? You get up on your little 21-inch screen and howl about America, and democracy. There is no America; there is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today.
Oh but hey, that’s a lot of money, doesn’t seem tree huggin regs are stopping them.
Is there nothing Bush has touched that he has not destroyed? He’s the reverse Midas, and instead of ruining his own life, he’s ruined everyone else’s
Good newspaper article on CSPan now. New ordinance in Holly, Georgia to increase speeding fines by $12 to offset the high price of gasoline for the police who have to chase them to ticket them.
Oh face it, BigPharma, BigOil et al, just want to gouge the crap out of us peasants, and retire with that requisite $40million, no matter that they are digging into someone else’s retirement funds by doing so. In order to do so, they probably spend as much money on lobbyists than research and production. They are not exactly making themselves profitable by themselves. Thank el diablo, the Republikans are always willing helpers.
Fact check me please, because it was an outburst from one side of my mouth. I take my cue from McCain.
This election is going to be over food and energy.
America has always pursued policies that insured both would be inexpensive.
I think we should and can continue to promote inexpensive food. It will be an easy political sale.
I don’t think we can or should continue to promote inexpensive energy. It will be a hard political sale. I am not our political class is up to the job.
I was sitting here racking my morning brain for a witty answer, but, No, there isn’t anything that he hasn’t destroyed. :(
worse yet, he keeps finding more things to f*ck up
NPR just had a story about Nancy Pelosi’s tenure as Speaker. Apparently she can’t do anything about the Iraq War because of Blue Dogs and not having a good working relationship with Bush and the Republicans. IOW she needs to veer even further right than she already has. Oh and the Iraq War, the Democrats passed a bill against it but Bush vetoed it. So that was the end of that, or at least it was from the reporter’ point of view. That the Democrats didn’t resubmit or throw the onus for not supporting the troops on Bush never occurred to NPR’s intrepid reporter, or Nancy Pelosi either.
I don’t disagree that McCain sounds senile - ‘conradictory’ is too polite a term for somebody who does not make sense - nevertheless, despite Obama’s grand promises, there is no such thing as ‘clean’ coal - it does not exist.
Have you ever written a letter to them? Sometimes, think maybe only once a week, they read notes from listeners who take exception with facts or spin of a story.
Sounds like that story needs refuted.
Don’t worry the lock step press will help them slither around with that concept and “issue corrections” if need be.
yes, I was struck by the “pragmatism” of Abram’s show last night, and the implicit premise that ‘he who panders best is the winner’.
Disappointing, but no surprise.
You didn’t expect a Nice Polite Republican to disagree with Beloved Leader, did you?
David Neiwert has a new post ready entitled “The GOP Recipe:’Tear Him Down’”
sorry for the delay… i don’t know about a SJC part 2 - but the hearing today is the HJC.
You are correct, otherwise we would have been smart enough to invest in green energy a long time ago. Drilling for more oil is not the answer. The answer lies in heavy federal investment in the following:
wind and solar
mass transit especially rail systems
electric cars for personal transportation
All these answers have a negative affect on big oil consumption (profits).
That’s why Big Oil opposes them thru various stealthily- named Republican lobbying concerns.
The people of Florida have been voting in favor of high-speed rail for at least 20 years. As others did before him -
Jeb Bush successfully derailed it.
Its a bad idea to have oil men running the government.
What almost no one is talking about is that we are near or at peak production levels not just of oil but of energy in general. Only about 1 billion to 1.5 billion of the world’s population enjoys a First World lifstyle. This means that 4.5 billion to 5 billion do not. So even with our energy peaking we are able to afford the conditions for what we think is a good life to only about 1/4 to 1/6 of the world’s population. So we are already way beyond the planet’s capacity to provide a reasonable life to its human population. Conservation, energy alternatives, mass transit, community planning, redesigning and restructuring the economy to favor local over long distance solutions (doing away with out of season food stuffs or outsourcing jobs to the other side of the world, for example) are all necessary but insufficient. In the absence of a deus ex machina like large scale practical fusion, the only way to bring the energy/resource/population equation into balance is for population to be reduced. This could be done rationally over the next century or more likely given that our species is not very rational catastrophically through war, famine, and disease.
Thank you Scarecrow!
Farmers in Australia have also been very receptive to windmills on their property, I suspect for at least two reasons:
*it gives them an fallback income stream in a country plagued by prolonged droughts and devastating floods; and
*it keeps the birds away. This, though, is a debatable issue. Some birds, like parrots, the most intelligent of bird species, seem to have learned to circumvent them while others are often pathetic victims.
We won’t need new refineries when you consider the drop in production from existing wells in the interim.
is there anything more effective than education for girls and choices for women?
A congressman just said the Oil Companies have 68 Million acres under lease that they aren’t using. Of course a Republican names Gresham from South Carolina claims the Republicans have an Energy plan that will drop the gasoline price by 50%.
oops. the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation hearing scheduled for this morning has been postponed.
here is an alternative:
The sun is freely (if unequally) distributed all across the planet. . .if we could harness that nuclear reactor right up there in the sky, it would be good.
There was a question earlier about information on the reserves in coastal areas and the impact on prices if they were recovered. See this study from EIA.
I’ve seen excepts from a speech Jeff Bingamen with lots of detail on leases not being exploited, but I couldn’t find a link.
I think we all could use more education about sex, families, family planning, societal needs, and societal safety nets.
can’t disagree with that.
i just have a vague recollection of reading some review of studies about what changes/actions had the biggest impact on birth rates. but maybe i dreamed it.
Improved lifestyles in general and opportunities for women in particular are the biggest AFAIK.
They’re also less than honest when they fail to say that most of the oil produced in CA has enough sulfur in it to require extra processing - that’s why oil from Venezuela and the ME is so much in demand, it’s ’sweet’ crude.
Anything that makes Houston cheer is probably a bad idea. That’s my lazy analysis of McSame’s new sweet nothings.