With all the attention (rightfully) focused on the Senate hearings about how BushCo. authorized torture of detainees, I wanted to make sure this latest story in McClatchy's detainee series didn't get lost:
...[I]nstead of confining terrorists, Guantanamo often produced more of them by rounding up common criminals, conscripts, low-level foot soldiers and men with no allegiance to radical Islam — thus inspiring a deep hatred of the United States in them — and then housing them in cells next to radical Islamists.
In other words, they may not have been radical jihadists when they were taken prisoner, but they sure are now. Many of them were released and immediately joined al Qaeda or the Taliban, like Mohammed Naim Farouq, a small-time secular thug who became a Taliban leader and made it onto the US Defense Intelligence Agency's 20 most wanted list for Afghanistan and Pakistan.
So not only is the Bush administration enraging and radicalizing Muslims in Iraq and everywhere else, but it is materially assisting al Qaeda and the Taliban with their recruiting and training. Brilliant!
I can think of three possible explanations for this travesty:
1) Simple incompetence. I mean, it wouldn't be the first time. The McClatchy story does make it look like oblivious Gitmo wardens just got outmaneuvered, but with this administration it's often hard to tell whether the incompetence is deliberate or not.
2) Butt-covering. It's actually a brilliant strategy to make unlawful indefinite detentions look more palatable by ensuring that all the detainees are dangerous America-hating Islamist radicals rather than a bunch of innocent patsies or garden-variety criminals who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. ("We can't release them! Every time we release someone, they join the Taliban or al Qaeda and try to MURDER YOUR FAMILY!!!")
3) Symbiosis. The Bush administration, and the GOP in general, depend on the radical Islamist boogeyman to win elections and justify all of the executive branch's anti-Constitutional power grabs. If they don't ensure a steady stream of terrorists, they might be forced to relinquish some of their executive powers... or the executive branch.
My money's on 1, with maybe a little bit of 3. I just haven't seen much to convince me that BushCo. is serious about actually fighting terrorism. Sure, Dubya loves to talk tough and blow shit up, and he's given his minions the green light to torture and spy on whoever they want, yet al Qaeda and the Taliban are flourishing, and all the so-called "terror plots" the administration has broken up are comical. The unprecedented powers that Bush obtained through fear of terrorism are doing very little to stop it.
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Bin Laden’s hiding inside an Etch-a-Sketch?
Aloha, Eli!
Aloha, CTut!
Well, has anyone thought to look there?
Al Qaeda _is_ Bush’s base.
Well, I saw a helluva lot of professional grade CYOA activities taking place at the Senate Armed Forces Committee Hearing today. So I gotta suggest there might well be more than a dash of good ole Number Two in the mix as well.
They’d be nothing without him. And vice versa.
They’re certainly capable of it, I’m just not sure if they were smart enough to think of it.
I wouldn’t rule out two… I would posit that it is an argument utilized by the Rethugs already, but, I disagree with calling it a brilliant strategy and/or butt-covering…
Dang, just think what price that’s gonna fetch on eBay.
Oh, I know they’re already using that argument - I just wasn’t sure whether they were actually working to make it less dishonest.
Why would they even bother trying…? ;-)
Well, we did say one of our goals in Iraq was “training”. Guess we screwed up on who was supposed to get the training.
As al Qaeda stands up, we will stand down…
Great post, Eli. I vote for all of the above. They are incompetent butt symbionts. Probably the best description I’ve heard yet.
They made up a scary monster, more powerful than the previous incarnations of scary monsters. They needed the scary monster to scare us all back under the covers so they could get on with things that can only be done at night when no one is looking.
So they enacted the horrible stories that they made up. Al Qaeda became the government’s self-fulfilling prophecy.
Jeez, that sounds like some kind of horrible hybrid of Porky’s and Alien…
Time to Digg Osama out of the Etch-A-Sketch.
I had a conversation with a friend who’s a McCain supporter, and a Vietnam vet, who thinks Mccain is honorable. While I disagree with the basic premise - McCain is honorable (Keating five anyone?) I try to humor him and not come down like a ton of bricks.
But yesterday, we were talking and he said we have to stay in Iraq because he doesn’t want those who have died to have died in vain. As he was speaking, the flaw in his reasoning was apparent because he had never really considered because the war was predicated on a series of lies, a point he conceded, that those who were dead, mained, etc, had already been maimed and killed in vain.
So I asked him: “If the war was predicated on a lie, isn’t every lost life, lost in vain? Isn’t every life lost nothing more than a paen to a collosal lie? Are you willing to condemn more young Americans to die for nothing? Because every life, every limb , every dollar, ever piece of equipment, every civilian death, has been for NOTHING. It’s all based on a lie, and it’s all been a waste, and it’s been a waste for nothing. Because it was based on a lie.
By the time I finished my diatribe, he was in tears. I admit, I came down like a ton of bricks, but “Bill,” is one of the few who can take my ton of bricks and still love me. He had never considered the a+b=c equation of the war. He wasn’t happy we were there but believed we needed to “get out with honor.” I had poked a hole in his John McCain balloon. But as a VietVet, the specter of more lives wasted for nothing was something he wasn’t prepared to consider. I forced him to consider it, and he broke down.
Whether it makes any difference in who he votes for almost doesn’t matter. I think, as I had done many years before when discussing gay rights, I had exposed him to a way of thinking that wasn’t a part of his world until he was confronted with it.
I think, when confronted with the “We must withdraw with honor,” argument, I believe this is the argument we must use, because it’s the one that has not been considered by the 28 percenters.
Something to think about, eh?
Dugg it Eli for you….come on folks and digg this Post!
When you shake it, you hear something like sand…Mideast sand…we should have known.
Magic 8 Ball (and perhaps El Gato Negro) says: It is decidedly so.
Ruh ro. I’m new at Digging. Do you know how to merge our Diggs after the fact?
Sorry Jim but the link at the top goes to my digg
But I did digg your digg anyways!! So folks you can digg both diggs…
when the Secret Service goes to Andrews AFB to collect W from his trip abroad, they’ll be playing Fetch-a-Wretch
“but it is materially assisting al Qaeda and the Taliban with their recruiting and training” Well…yeah….they’ve been doing this since the Ruskies were in Afghanistan….OBL was CIA sponsored.
Everything was fine, until the Taliban wouldn’t let Unocal run the pipeline through Afghanistan…then oil hit the fan.
And they made a portrait of him using a Retch-A-Sketch…
Well, their mission has changed considerably. From sabotaging the Soviets to undermining the Constitution.
I wish I did. Maybe the Lurkingmod can do something for us???? We do want to support the site!!
Bush/Saudis/Oil…period, end of story.
retort in search of an embodiment: Quench-a-Wench
notice they are starting the terror warnings up again for the campaign season, they even have the local news trying to get some good fear going, what dicks
Definitely, but I think they’ve planned that all along…just look at Cheney’s minority report from years ago on power grab during Watergate. It is all connected.
Watergate…or Iran Contra…so many scandals, so little time….
What else have they got? Immigration, gays, OMG Obama’s a black dude - that’s pretty much their entire remaining toolkit.
I haven’t heard any…what are they saying now….yawn.
If W were saerious about terrorism, fully & quickly implementing Nunn-Lugar would have been on the top of the list.
YES. That, and not letting corporate interests stymie plant and port security.
I still can’t believe Kerry only brought that up *once* in the entire ‘04 campaign (in one of the debates).
Excellent job, TG! A very simple argument not heard often enough…!
If W were serious about terrorism, I would not have been able to cross over back and forth with my friends partying into Mexico in 2006 with nothing more than a wink and a nod….however, when one flys…well, then off come the shoes and out comes the wand….bugga, bugga…
Watergate on CSPAN3 now.
Thanks!
This is one mudslinging link the desperate local AR, GOPer trolls were slinging yesterday.
Looks like it’s from 1994.
Not surprised that it’s not being discussed now.
Maybe it might inspire the critters to actually impeach Shrub/Darth… Particularly, when they compare the piddly charges that Nixon was about to face, and, the seriousness of the charges of this Maladministration…
Ugh. As I understand it, Countrywide gave *all* its VIP customers preferential treatment.
Ya think?
: )
Who hid Osama in the Etch-A-Sketch?
Nope…I think W and Darth could take a person off the street and slice and dice ‘em in public, claim it was for national security…and walk off into the sunset.
Seriously. It is one of the greatest complex crimes ever committed and they will get away with it with the complicity of the wimps in Congress.
they not only fabricate these boogymen, they make certain they create new ones in case the fake boogie men lose their effectiveness
I don’t know if you caught this or if it was mentioned here, I just read it over at think progress and it is what I’ve been talking about forver, it is ICELAND;
BINGO!
They learned their lessons from Watergate. Any mistakes made then won’t be repeated today. Start with the Judiciary. Add the media. Mission accomplished.
This is my fundamental problem with the impeachment process. It may have the trappings of a legal process, but it is 100% political. If impeachment was via an impartial jury rather than congresscritters worried about party loyalties and political calculations, Bush & Cheney would have been convicted ten, a hundred times over.
The first place I’d lokk for Binladen is Crawford Texas.
Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest.
(Iceland?)
Word.
Ya wasn’t he at the last BBQ the week before??
spell check turned my misspelled “excellant” into “iceland” and I didn’t catch it
That is sooooo true. Ding, ding, ding.
Grrrrrr….gnashing…
That’s a mighty creative spellcheck you have there.
I hate it when then that happens:>(
Bwahahahaha…I was thinking they were gonna say AQ was in Iceland next….heh. Love it.
(I wonder how many people would have gone to see “Bill & Ted’s Iceland Adventure”…)
I was thinking maybe we were rendering prisoners there to torture them with cold.
707
No! AQ is in the Gulf of Mexico! Have to drill to get them tho.
Anyone else catch Kinky invoking Hitler on Abram’s? I had only stepped out to the garage for a ciggie after dinner and missed the context.
That would make me squeal like a pig! *g*
spell check this see what yours comes up with;
…Before China does.
What is this… “spellcheck” of which you speak?
It is the War on Icelandofascist Terrorists….
Run Away….and I spit in your general direction….fetchez la vache…
I think it is related to “preview”.
spell check for internet explorer
it is free, and “iceland” too
Perris. We don’t have Spellcheck anymore…. :)
Iceland was the first choice, excellent was second.
Spew!
Great, now I’m out of wine… off to refuel.
nope
it’s a free program, I just posted the link, you install it, then right click on the field you want to spell check and choose “spellcheck” (go figure) and it does the work
you can add words too, nice little program
I spit a ram’s eye at yooooo….(they like to eat ram’s eyes in Iceland, and they live in igloos and worship Thor and the midnight sun)….Heh, heh.
I wouldn’t mind going to Iceland at all.
8)
damn reds.
see my 74
Iceland is free? Do you mean trips to Iceland, or the whole country?
And let’s not forget the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned us about.
Gitmo… factory for radicalizing sloppily collected enemies and others and ensuring enemies, homicides, suicides, the psychologically crippled … more PTSD … PTSD for everyone with this administration.
Thank you, Eli. Deep and painful to read post.
They have meesiles in Iceland that can hit the US of A in 45 minutes…oh wait…that would be measles…nevermind.
I mean the program is free, excellant as well however my new word for excellant from hence and forward will likely be “iceland” whenever I see you are on the board!
nahant, it’s good to see you are on duty with the Digging
the rest of you folks, please Digg this post!
Iceland.
So is the Countrywide VIP for senators brew-ha-ha the proverbial horse’s head in the bed? Vote the way we want on FISA or there’s more in store?
“most Iceland, dude. party on.”
With, but not within.
laughed out loud in this diner, they are looking at me like I am a mad man
LOL
I’m by myself, and my dogs think I’m nuts…I’m LMAO…
I needed a good laugh. It was Iceland. Thanks.
The thing is…I believed what I read, and started to wonder…WTF…Iceland? Now what?
a very icelandic adventure!
I thought the topic was Iseman not Iceland.
On Ice in Iceland. Terrorizing blondes!
Rough drafting in Word works like that, too.
We’ll always have Iceland.
(Wait a minute, what about global warming?)
Was she vaporized?
Greenland?
McCane scanned a Navy Ann
I see the administration’s grotesque arrested development… pathological narcissists and sociopaths.. and group think wannabees… playing toy soldiers with human lives…. on an exponential level.
and with their big Pentagon toys and weaponry… what is that quote. When all you use is a hammer, you see everything as a nail. (have to google search the correct saying…)
OT - a couple of hearings scheduled for tomorrow:
Bwhahaha
Update from the previous thread: the total is now almost $127,000. That means we have raised nearly $42,000 today to hold feet to the fire. Way to go, folks!
Yeah, something like, “When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.”
”two most iceland foxes!!”–two wild and crazy guys
Dunno, never hear about her on the media anymore.
Woot!!!
Thanks selise.
Looking ahead, do you know what time Scottie will be on Friday?
Just want to know when to pop the corn.
Vicki, we hardly knew ye.
Well except for McCain maybe.
If there was no there there, wouldn’t she still just be carrying on…oh yeah…
you know what?
we need to let these people know where that money is going to be spent if they give telecom imunity
Of course, if McCain were a Democrat, we’d be hearing her name every day…
Don’t go biblical on us, now.
Oh definitely…
McCain: Get that other *unt trollop the hell out of sight….now!!! Grrrr…
Let’s hope that the plea goes out to the ACLU list tomorrow. We need to go much wider than just the small group of blogs that have been giving to all of our pet causes. We need to make this BIG. A little plug from the MoveOn 3mil+ list would be good too.
Famous words of semi-literate Viking explorer upon discovering Iceland:
“I’s landed in colder places than this…”