Hi, Jane!

Reminds me a little of record companies suing kids for downloading music. I know it’s not quite the same thing, but it still doesn’t make much sense to sue your (potential) customers when you’re trying to get them to buy your product in the first place.

Way to wreck their reputation in a single blow. Farewell AP. You used to be good.

Associated Press = Wankers of the day = Ass. Press

Hi, Jane. This makes me laugh because AP is so biased anyway, and now they are cutting of their nose to spite their face. Too good.

So as a blogger, now I have to say, well there is this interesting article that I was going to link to, but it’s from the AP so I’m not because I don’t want to get sued so,
nevermind.

Peckerheads anyway.

OT I just called the Nation Press Club and they are saying that they are not offering a stage to Larry. I ask if he wasn’t speaking there and they said they were simply letting him use one of their rooms. The lady I spoke with sounded argumentative and evasive.

Thanks Jane

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So are you and the other bloggers going to post a reminder to everybody not to link to the AP even in the comments?

This is an area where the blogosphere still doesn’t ‘get it’. I agree with you very rational and persuasive argument regarding the competing business models of corporatist press vs. blog. You’ve nailed it re: the Benjamins.

But the struggle online and off is not solely about the Benjis. It’s about control. It’s about the Superclass and their enablers controlling the dialogue. In short, the right of the people to be able obtain timel, accurate information about issues which concern them as citizens. We’ve seen that the corporatist press is totally and absolutely unable to deliver the good to the citizenry. The late Tim ‘PumpkinHaid’ Russert is a perfect example a bought and paid for tool of the Cheney Administration and people still watched him and listened to him although that was changing and will continue to change for the remaining gasbags.

We should no be too smug here in the ’sphere as there are more than a few ‘Timmehs’ on our side of the broadband river. I won’t mention names as every time I do I get banned. It’s all about Truth, Justice and the real American Way.

This site is a shining example of how to do it. Lots of viewpoints and many in the threads are willing to listen. That’s down to you Jane and some others here.

Thanks.

The AP?

I’ve shit ‘em.

Yeah, I saw that and wondered why AP was basically killing off their customer base. I think that their contracts with big metropolitan dailies are just that, contracts…but those expire and new sources (McClatchy etc…) exist. If bloggers link and drive traffic, that’s where the money comes from, no one goes to a paper because they have The AP Wire as a source. Maybe once upon a time, but not anymore.

AP will be slow to break this code. I guess if they want to hire some more marketing talent, I understand that the guy who developed New Coke and the person who turned down M&M’s as the candy of choice for E.T. are available and ready to go to work helping AP rebuild their image as a pioneer of new media reportage.

What if we just repackage AP material and don’t give them credit at all would that work?

“We are a news service, please do not quote us”

I knew it, the world is upside down

Sounds good to me. My RSS feeds are on Reuters, BBC, Guardian UK and the Glob. I’ll make sure not to use links from the Glob that go to AP.

wankers indeed.

No, because good linking means giving an accurate quote and link to the source. It’s just good blogging… and keeps us from all looking like Powerline and the ole Perfesser… LOL

Speaking of McClatchy, they’ve got a great series going (started yesterday) on the Gitmo detainees. The five main stories are:

* Sunday: We got the wrong guys
* Today: ‘I guess you can call it torture’
* Coming Tuesday: A school for Jihad
* Wednesday: ‘Due process is legal mumbo-jumbo’
* Thursday: ‘You are the king of this prison’

There’s a lot more at the first link above — documents, photos, videos, graphics, etc. Really, really first rate stuff.

the Appalled Press

pale attack dogs: wan curs.

Now, am I to understand that if that was an AP series, you’d get sued for increasing their traffic and readership?

“Wanker of the day” is too kind.

The Ass Press needs its own little insignia. I have something in mind.;)

When did Toyota start advertising here? I left them and Honda a note on their google financial pages over a year ago saying they should advertise here cause we are such a green group.
Maybe they listened, maybe they came up with the idea for it all on their own, still its good to see we are getting support from a big company.
But why are they advertising now gas is over $4.30 in Seattle they don’t need to advertise?

If I were running a major metropolitan daily, and I saw my advertising revenues shrinking and my newsroom personnel diminishing as the dead tree business died, and I knew how important it was to generate online traffic to keep the doors open, I’d be thinking … Reuters. McClatchy. Bloomberg. Anything but AP.

That was the thought that was going through my head as I clicked on “read more”. Those dailies are the AP’s customers. They’re the ones who have to be made aware that their hit counts will be affected by this.

Meanwhile, I’m not quoting any more AP articles until this is resolved. There are other news wire services out there, and other news bureaus that can produce quality content.

The AP decision is so dumb, I can’t find anything intelligent to say about it. What could they be thinking? Are they competely unfamiliar with the toobz?

Sounds somewhat like the NYTimes putting its op-eds and editorials subscription only.

We all know how that worked out. That lasted about a year, probably only because people paid for yearly subscriptions, I’m guessing.

AP is in our local paper quite a bit, and I have noticed serious inaccuracies in their reporting. They are IMHO, not reliable as they used to be. Or granted, I may just be paying more attention now.

Like the RIAA and the MPAA before them, they’re going to have to learn how this medium works.

Who runs the AP any obvious GOP ties or GOP bias…more bias than usual from the MSM that is.

There is a legitimate discussion about copyright and infringement and fair use that underlies it all, but Jarvis’s (quite good) article also goes on to say that they’re citizens of the digital world now, and you don’t slap people with shit like this here. It’s a court of last resort.

They’re acting like jackasses, not the least of which is because they’re creating a negative buzz about their product that has very real consequences and makes it much less enticing to their clients.

I’ve noticed that too!

McClatchy is much better and they print stories that the other MSM seems to “miss.”

Speaking of the AP, just saw at the SF Chron site they mentioned that Henry Waxman has subpoenaed the transcripts of Bush and Cheney on the Plame matter.

Is it just coincidence AP decides to take such actions a few short months after Rupert Murdoch joins the AP board?

Good examples. Those industries, and wire services, are oligopolies, so they coin money with little effort. Makes them lazy and unable to respond to new developments.

I presume this standard will also be applied to TV news, yes? No more graphics of articles with a pundit reading a few lines to make a point?

this is GREAT news, almost as good as when the NYT put people like MoDo and Tommy Suckonthis behind a firewall.

And considering how right-wing the AP can be, this is a BLESSING. Hopefully, they’ll fade into oblivion, just like the steogosaurus, a creature that much like the AP’s staff, has a brain the size of a walnut.

And, of course, Talk Radio will have to be held to the same standard – no more quoting AP articles on air.

I didn’t win, but my submission for Arianna Huffington’s request for 5-word Webby award acceptance speeches was this: “Ignore the people no longer”

This is what the web does. As it turns out, all those previously inanimate entities out there, known as readers, are actually thinking beings who can, in fact, decide for themselves.

The sooner the A.P. wakes up to this fact, and welcomes these thinkers into the fold, the better.

But, maybe they don’t want to wake up. Maybe they want to remain strictly in the processed news business. Seems so.

I don’t believe in coincidence Rupert coordinates everything he does with the GOP.

grandma cbl used to call this bending over a dollar to pick up a dime

What if they are not held to the same standard what if its just us getting the shaft?

But but but …, John Burns, who’s now head of NYT London Bureau, sez the NYT had great coverage in the lead to to Iraq invasion AND really knows how to leverage the internet.

doesn’t sound like him. His ego wants his stories and opinions everywhere. I think he is beyond looking for more profits. I could be wrong.

The AP is usually the provider with the front page lead story/headline in its associated newspapers – which generally presents a pro-war, pro Bushco, right wing bias.

Right wingers hate the Daytona Beach News Journal b/c they perceive it to be too one-sided (code: very liberal). It is liberal in its editorial content, but the numerous AP articles dominate its overall content and these are as righty as anything out there. Liberals like me hate that (AP) aspect.

The AP: Appalling & Pathetic

Are all the mods on all the blogs gong to start warning commentors about linking to the AP?

Is this part of or in addition to the stuff on abuse of afghani prisoners? That stuff is good as well. Very very good.

I think one reason why goopers decline to follow through on anti torture stuff (looking at you mccain) is because the Top Perps bush/cheney tell them, oh well we already authorized enhanced interrogation and if we go back on that now, all these great troops will be prosecuted…

IOW AP is the packaging and distribution of War Product from Bushco.

Apoplectically Petty

Antiquated Prunes

They didn’t quite meet the criteria for the honor of “Hypocritical Wankers Of The Day”, but there’ll be no more AP at Slobber and Spittle for a while.

Thanks for pointing that out – I’ve added a note to my article. At least one of the AP’s chosen victims being sued over AP articles quoted in comments.

Is that a boomer rock band?

*g*

Good catch ES – Murdoch likely had a whole lot to do with this stupid self-inflicting wound to AP. Murdoch makes old dead Wm. Randolph Hearst look like a piker. Am sad to add that Murdock has our Monterey County, CA body politicos in his pocket and displaced Dirty Harry Clint Eastwood as the most influential real estate developer on our pristine central coast from Carmel to Big Sur.

This is one of the reasons FDL and other blogs try to discourage extended quotes in comments. If you’re quoting more than a small portion of the piece, you’re technically violating the copyright.

not from AP -

has it already been mentioned on today’s threads that Al Gore will appear with and endorse Obama tonight ?

Go Jane! I finished this a few minutes ago, and I come here to see…you…writing about the same subject. Mine is a bunch of links mostly, and a new graphic for the sidebar :)

Assiduously Paranoid

Heh, heh. (((((egregious)))))

My suggestion for AP’s new slogan: “You can’t quote me on that.”

Breaking: the AP just announced it will sue anyone using words that start with the letters “AP”. They argue that this is their right and as American as ple pie.

The AP problem is much like that facing the music or video business. The solution will follow the same lines. AP should get paid for its contribution to blogs especially if the blog, enriched by AP content, can be perceived as making money off AP’s stuff. AP cannot expect a blog to pay according to newspaper news rates anymore than music publishers can expect someone to pay for the album when they want one track. AP needs to convert to a concept of getting pennies from millions of people rather than insisting on dollars from anyone using their service. I’m not sure how it will shake out, but if blogs make money using AP materials there is no reason they shouldn’t pay something for the privilige. The question is how much and how is the how much to be calculated.

Folks are apt to be unhappy about that.

As long as I can still get 8 O’Clock brand coffee, I am good.
Oh, you wern’t talking about the Great Atlantic and Pacific grocery store?

Me, I won’t miss AP (non)reporting a bit.
THe worst stenographers of the lot.

Anachronistic Paranoids.

Thanks for the heads up cb12 – do you have a linky? Sure hope it is televised by one of the networks so I can set the divo. We’re going to see John Cusack’s War, Inc. in the early evening, bless ‘em.

Or we can ignore ALL Ass Press articles completely so that they get no traffic hence no ad revenue hence no problems for the blog

OT to Jane and other regulars from a former-inane-poster-now-turned-lurker. Apparently I have (somewhat inadvertently) made two fifty dollar contributions yesterday so I take this opportunity to say hello to all the old regulars and urge the new ones to give generously to keep Jane, Christy, etal doing the heavy lifting around here.

here ya go

While writing my scandals list, I began keeping some of the links for the entries (and someday they will appear in a revised version of the list) but one of the things that I noticed was that the AP links often went dead if I had kept them for any length of time. I wonder if this is another way AP has been trying to keep its information proprietary.

whoopsie – linky no working – if you still around would you mind trying that one more time? Thanks, in any event.

Patrick at Making Light on this particular piece of, well, not-very-bright-ness.
The fee they want seems to be a lot higher than would be reasonable for blogs. (I wonder what actual newspapers pay for the AP feed?)

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes…..ith-obama/

sorry, am busy watching this hippy in a sudden death playoff with LeTigre :D

Try here. Beware the spurious “http://” .

From Raw Story:

The [AP] news association convened a meeting of its executives at which it decided to suspend its efforts to challenge blogs until it creates a more thoughtful standard.

Mr. Kennedy said the company was going to meet with representatives of the Media Bloggers Association, a trade group, and others. He said he hopes that these discussions can all occur this week so that guidelines can be released soon.

Going out on a branch here but quoting Froomkin not quoting AP but Skynews: Bush in an interview:

Boulton: “I mean, you’ve talked a lot about freedom. I’ve heard you talk about freedom — I think every time I’ve seen you.”

Bush: “Yes.”

Boulton: “And yet there are those who would say, look, let’s take Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib and rendition and all those things, and to them that is the, you know, the complete opposite of freedom.”

Bush: “Of course if you want to slander America, you can look at it one way. But you go down — what you need to do — I think I suggested you do this at a press conference — if you go down to Guantanamo and take a look at how these prisoners are treated — and they’re working it through our court systems. We are a land of law. ”

Boulton: “But the Supreme Court have just said that — you know, ruled against what you’ve been doing down there.”

Bush: “But the district court didn’t. And the appellate court didn’t.”

Boulton: “The Supreme Court is supreme, isn’t it?”

Bush: “It is, and I accept their verdict. I don’t agree with their verdict. And it’s not what I was doing down there. This was a law passed by our United States Congress that I worked with the Congress to get passed and sign into law.”

Boulton: “But it looked like an attempt to bypass the Constitution, to a certain extent.”

Bush: “This was a law passed, Adam. We passed a law. Bypassing the Constitution means that we did something outside the bounds of the Constitution. We went to the Congress and got a piece of legislation passed.”

Boulton: “Which is now being struck down, I think.”

What an idiot. Bush not Boulton.

thanks !

Not only is AP being stupid about this, they’re ignoring the McClatchy reports on our treatment of detainees. Many newspapers have articles about the McClatchy series today, but the AP is silent on it. If it’s not on “the wires” it likely won’t be on your teebee tonight either.

Hey Retirin’ long long time . . . welcome back?

Say, Debster !

Speaking of the AP, just saw at the SF Chron site they mentioned that Henry Waxman has subpoenaed the transcripts of Bush and Cheney on the Plame matter.

Do I “yeee-haaa!! now or in about 2010, when this finally is settled by the courts?

Where is the first amendment in this? Once published it is out, with credits given at the linked site, seems ludicrous to charge for news that has been charged for once and is history. Does ASSociated Press get a sydicated fee? To follow that logic no more utubes or articles on MSM?

Not unlike the publishing charges levied at Internet Radio broadcasters.
Similarly, this move may come from standard AP subscribers saying,
“Hey, how come we have to pay for this stuff, and you let the DFH bloggers have it for free?”

Maybe because I am a GEEEEEEEnius compared to the average subscriber?
I dunno.

Seems like the AP and corporate oil have the same challenge to their existence!

Evolution, progress, innovation, technology, reason and logic!