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	<title>Comments on: 500-Year Events? Perhaps in Dog Years</title>
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		<title>By: Oilfieldguy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/16/500-perhaps-in-dog-years/#comment-1499467</link>
		<dc:creator>Oilfieldguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ll take the philosophical/ideological perspective right now.  By that, I will assume you speak of the “role of government”.  If one believes in limited Government, the mere acknowledgment of global warming invites government intervention and regulation etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Follow that through.  The ideology/philosophy of unregulated raw capitalism has been tried before.  In Europe awhile back.  We call it the Dark Ages.  A rich and powerful few and a powerless, terrified everybody else.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In fact, every time and every place this philosophy/ideology has prevailed the results are identical.  Who, save for the few would endorse such a plan?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They have a most excellent sales staff, educated at the best Universities and have adopted certain “culture issues” to woo low-information voters (we have too many of them, Thanks Media) to vote in office those who do not believe in the office.  We see the results today with exploding wealth at the top 2 percent and not so much everybody else.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In short, it is because of financial reasons that the Corporate-cons want free reign to rape-pillage and plunder, which they cannot do with a well-regulated economy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ll take the philosophical/ideological perspective right now.  By that, I will assume you speak of the “role of government”.  If one believes in limited Government, the mere acknowledgment of global warming invites government intervention and regulation etc.</p>
<p>Follow that through.  The ideology/philosophy of unregulated raw capitalism has been tried before.  In Europe awhile back.  We call it the Dark Ages.  A rich and powerful few and a powerless, terrified everybody else.</p>
<p>In fact, every time and every place this philosophy/ideology has prevailed the results are identical.  Who, save for the few would endorse such a plan?  </p>
<p>They have a most excellent sales staff, educated at the best Universities and have adopted certain “culture issues” to woo low-information voters (we have too many of them, Thanks Media) to vote in office those who do not believe in the office.  We see the results today with exploding wealth at the top 2 percent and not so much everybody else.</p>
<p>In short, it is because of financial reasons that the Corporate-cons want free reign to rape-pillage and plunder, which they cannot do with a well-regulated economy.</p>
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		<title>By: A Siegel</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/16/500-perhaps-in-dog-years/#comment-1499442</link>
		<dc:creator>A Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I will take a look at the discussion from that frame/perspective.  As I said, that is tentative, an attempt. I don’t claim it as definitive.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think that the “philosophical”/”ideological” does not necessarily mean monetary in motivation.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, I will be glad to see your perpective … and, who knows, I might agree 100% and we will have some amicable agreements rather than disagreements.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will take a look at the discussion from that frame/perspective.  As I said, that is tentative, an attempt. I don’t claim it as definitive.  </p>
<p>I think that the “philosophical”/”ideological” does not necessarily mean monetary in motivation.  </p>
<p>And, I will be glad to see your perpective … and, who knows, I might agree 100% and we will have some amicable agreements rather than disagreements.</p>
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		<title>By: Oilfieldguy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/16/500-perhaps-in-dog-years/#comment-1499439</link>
		<dc:creator>Oilfieldguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Read your post about motivation for skeptics.  All, save for the crackpot, and even him for spotlight seeking, can be found money as the primary factor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The sole exception would be the Theo-con sitting in the Amen section corrupted by the Corporate-cons as a vote-getter to the levers of power.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I find such “explanations” sand in the eyes, almost apologizing and rationalizing such behavior.  Sorry I missed that post when you put it up so I could take it point by point where the motivational root is money (or power to get money).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps I will do a post to furnish a “treatise” on this, using your post for a format.  When I get it done, I will invite you over for some agreeable disagreements.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read your post about motivation for skeptics.  All, save for the crackpot, and even him for spotlight seeking, can be found money as the primary factor.</p>
<p>The sole exception would be the Theo-con sitting in the Amen section corrupted by the Corporate-cons as a vote-getter to the levers of power.</p>
<p>I find such “explanations” sand in the eyes, almost apologizing and rationalizing such behavior.  Sorry I missed that post when you put it up so I could take it point by point where the motivational root is money (or power to get money).</p>
<p>Perhaps I will do a post to furnish a “treatise” on this, using your post for a format.  When I get it done, I will invite you over for some agreeable disagreements.</p>
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		<title>By: A Siegel</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/16/500-perhaps-in-dog-years/#comment-1499432</link>
		<dc:creator>A Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am tired of the people who are determined to reject evidence and science. There are people who are falsely laying out data, in abusive fashions. And, they are constantly looking for the crack.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nowhere did I write that there are not other elements to what is going on or even that this is principally Global Warming.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is not a post, however, on the myriad of causes and failures of water / flood plain (mis)management in the United States, but a discussion of how one element (Global Warming) is notable in its absence from the discussion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Reality is: humanity has changed the world.  200 years ago, roughly, the atmosphere was at 280 ppm of CO2, we are now above 385 and climbing. For a million-year record, it has not exceeded about 285 ever.  The science related to CO2 (and other GHG) is that it will contribute to capturing radiation and heating of the planet. And, amid that, one of the impacts of changes will be more extreme weather events.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, if you want to complain about my language on this issue, try reading the 100s of posts and 10,000s of words about the subject matter.  I am tired of rehashing old ground. The question, if working in reality-based policy, is not whether humanity has changed the world (we have) and not whether there is global warming (there is) and not whether the impacts are serious (they are) but should be about what we should be doing to reduce the extent of catastrophic climate change and mitigate the impacts of Global Warming that is and will occur.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am tired of the people who are determined to reject evidence and science. There are people who are falsely laying out data, in abusive fashions. And, they are constantly looking for the crack.</p>
<p>Nowhere did I write that there are not other elements to what is going on or even that this is principally Global Warming.  </p>
<p>This is not a post, however, on the myriad of causes and failures of water / flood plain (mis)management in the United States, but a discussion of how one element (Global Warming) is notable in its absence from the discussion.</p>
<p>Reality is: humanity has changed the world.  200 years ago, roughly, the atmosphere was at 280 ppm of CO2, we are now above 385 and climbing. For a million-year record, it has not exceeded about 285 ever.  The science related to CO2 (and other GHG) is that it will contribute to capturing radiation and heating of the planet. And, amid that, one of the impacts of changes will be more extreme weather events.  </p>
<p>And, if you want to complain about my language on this issue, try reading the 100s of posts and 10,000s of words about the subject matter.  I am tired of rehashing old ground. The question, if working in reality-based policy, is not whether humanity has changed the world (we have) and not whether there is global warming (there is) and not whether the impacts are serious (they are) but should be about what we should be doing to reduce the extent of catastrophic climate change and mitigate the impacts of Global Warming that is and will occur.</p>
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		<title>By: Twain</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/16/500-perhaps-in-dog-years/#comment-1499425</link>
		<dc:creator>Twain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I got a laugh out of that. Having grown up on a farm I do know the difference. City folks might get a real surprise.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a laugh out of that. Having grown up on a farm I do know the difference. City folks might get a real surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/16/500-perhaps-in-dog-years/#comment-1499423</link>
		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;got it&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>got it</p>
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		<title>By: CarolynU</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/16/500-perhaps-in-dog-years/#comment-1499422</link>
		<dc:creator>CarolynU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve noticed cycles.  Don’t care for very spidery years.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve noticed cycles.  Don’t care for very spidery years.</p>
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		<title>By: oldgold</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/16/500-perhaps-in-dog-years/#comment-1499414</link>
		<dc:creator>oldgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not really. The grain I am talking about isn’t eaten directly by humans.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lots of city folks don’t realize that you can’t eat field corn.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really. The grain I am talking about isn’t eaten directly by humans.</p>
<p>Lots of city folks don’t realize that you can’t eat field corn.</p>
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		<title>By: Blub</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/16/500-perhaps-in-dog-years/#comment-1499413</link>
		<dc:creator>Blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tragically, what used to constitute hyperbole is now the new reality.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tragically, what used to constitute hyperbole is now the new reality.</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/16/500-perhaps-in-dog-years/#comment-1499409</link>
		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;a few years ago I commented to my dad that spiders were everywhere, man we had tons of spiders&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I haven’t seen any since that deluge&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I never noticed a cycle of spider population before&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a few years ago I commented to my dad that spiders were everywhere, man we had tons of spiders</p>
<p>I haven’t seen any since that deluge</p>
<p>I never noticed a cycle of spider population before</p>
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