But then, they get into the fun part:
In response to Stephanopoulos' question, "But, you wouldn't rule it [VP] out completely," Edwards stated: "I'd take anything he [Obama] asked me to think about seriously."
"But obviously this is something I've done and it's not a job that I'm seeking."
It was nice of Edwards to first say that Senator Obama has great choices. Who among those other choices made news recently?
In her veto of a Voter ID bill passed by the Kansas legislature last month, Kathleen Sibelius offered this ringing defense of the right to vote, and the state's role in protecting that right:
Here in Kansas and across the country, we have seen a record number of new voters active in the election process. Secretaries of State across the country are anticipating record-breaking turnout in November. We must take advantage of this opportunity to engage the next generation of leaders and decision makers in the political process, and ensure their participation continues throughout their lifetimes.
Additionally, no elected official should support enacting new laws discouraging or disenfranchising any American who has been legally voting for years. I cannot support creating any roadblock to prevent our citizens from adding their voices to the democratic discourse that makes our nation great.
The Secretary of State’s office is charged with the oversight of elections in Kansas and our hard working county clerks and election officials deserve thanks for ensuring the integrity of the democratic process. I have the utmost confidence in their diligence to guarantee secure and fair elections across our state. HB 2019 seeks to solve a problem of voter fraud which does not exist in our state due to the tireless efforts of our local election officials.
Excellent framing there: we know voter fraud doesn't exist, why are state legislatures passing laws against it? Surely they aren't trying to disenfranchise people!
Out of the Veepstakes by their own hand this week: Governor Ted Strickland of Ohio, who was about as clear as one can be about these things:
“Absolutely not. If drafted I will not run, nominated I will not accept, and if elected I will not serve.”
Accepting Virginia Democrats' nomination for a race for John Warner's United States Senate seat against the hapless former GOP Presidential candidate Jim Gilmore (who?) yesterday was Mark Warner, who also seemed to definitively rule out a race for the Naval Observatory:
"Let me be clear about this: I have been working very hard these last few months to ask the people of Virginia to give me the honor of being their United States senator," Warner said. "I will not seek, and I will not accept, any other opportunity."
That's as close as politicians get to Shermanesque statements. For those keeping track at home, as we parse the words of those who aspire -- or don't -- to move in after the Cheneys, here's what General Sherman said:
"If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve."
That was about the Presidency, of course. Those who seek to move to the pixellated world of One Observatory Circle have to dance more delicately: availability-if-asked is best, while active seeking is frowned upon -- and surrogates are told to pipe down.
In Wisconsin this weekend, as Democrats gathered for their state convention, an unofficial and unscientific straw poll showed attendees favor Hillary Clinton, Bill Richardson, and John Edwards as running mates for Senator Obama.
Of the 259 votes cast in the straw poll, 49 went to the former first lady.
Far more intriguing was the fact that an almost equivalent total -- 44 votes -- was recorded for New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, another former contender for the Democratic nod. Richardson's campaign faded early, long before Wisconsin's February 19 primary, but he retains a healthy level of support among the state's most active Democrats.
Former North Carolina Senator John Edwards, the party's 2004 vice presidential nominee and a candidate for this year's presidential nod, won 34 votes. That's to be expected, as Edwards almost won Wisconsin's 2004 presidential primary and had a well-organized Wisconsin campaign -- backed by Congressman Dave Obey and a number of legislators -- before he dropped out of this year's competition.
Retired General Wesley Clark, a 2004 presidential contender who toyed with running this year and has visited Wisconsin many times -- most recently as a Clinton backer -- received 27 voters.
The best finish for a contender who has never mounted a presidential bid went to Virginia Senator Jim Webb, who has been actively positioning himself as a candidate for the No. 2 place on the ticket. The former Secretary of the Navy under Ronald Reagan, who has remade himself as a populist Democrat, took 32 votes.
Delaware Senator Joe Biden, who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and impressed many observers with his debate performances as a long shot presidential candidate before finishing fifth in January's Iowa caucuses, won 12 votes, as did Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius.
In his column in the San Francisco Chronicle today, David Sirota pushed the Overton Window open wide for an economic populist Veep pick:
That means for Obama to really draw the most effective general-election contrast, the smart vice presidential pick is not Clinton, but an anti-Clinton - and there are many of them.
In the Senate, there is Sherrod Brown, Amy Klobuchar, Jim Webb or Claire McCaskill - all economic populists. In the statehouse, there is Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer - a guy who told the New York Times, "I was a critic of NAFTA, I was a critic of CAFTA and I'll be a critic of SHAFTA." And outside the electoral arena there are people like Anna Burger - a leader of one of the largest labor unions, who was recently hailed by the Wall Street Journal as one of the 50 most influential women in America.
Chris Dodd? Pat Leahy? Bill Nelson? Sheldon Whitehouse? Each offers credentials and electoral math in his favor. All offer the downside of a GOP governor ready to appoint his replacement. In a Senate where we might be close to sixty votes for cloture, can we afford to give Joe Lieberman that kind of power again?
I would like to see Barbara Boxer's name mentioned more often in these speculative discussions; she's a fighter for women's rights and the environment, despite her friendship for and (thus) advocacy of Joe Lieberman in Connecticut in summer 2006. I also want to see Russ Feingold's name floated as a contender. And if we are taking the battle to all fifty states this year, why not put on our ticket the primary proponent of the Fifty-State Democratic Party, Howard Dean?
And while we are talking about governors, how about New York's David Paterson or Deval Patrick of Massachusetts? Is there some reason Barack Obama shouldn't consider them? Bill Clinton made a "reinforcing choice" of another DLC Southern white male in Al Gore in 1992; we haven't heard much about Barack Obama reinforcing his strengths with Paterson or Patrick....
Did you catch the governor of Tennessee, Phil Bredesen, downplaying his chances of being selected two months ago?
"This is not something that I've been seeking," Bredesen said. "I think there are other people out there who have been actively seeking it, and I think that's much more likely of an outcome."
While Bredesen says it's nice to be mentioned, at this point he's taking most of the rumors as just that--rumors. But he says it's not that way for everyone in the Bredesen family tree.
"My mother loves it, and every time I see a news article, I clip it and send it to my mother," he said. "She's the only one who takes it seriously."
Yeah, but then:
Bredesen gained national attention again last week for another reason altogether. After a lengthy state of apparent indecision, Bredesen got on Illinois Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential bandwagon with a very late in the game endorsement. The fair-weather nod for Obama came also with a quip from Bredesen about how Tennessee is probably not in play in 2008 for the Democratic ticket.
Tennessee went for Bush in both his campaigns. Would a term-limited Democratic governor put the state in play? I wonder if Bredesen has the machine to win the state for the top of the ticket if he's on it.
Feeding the High Broderist Villager narrative, Walter Shapiro delves the crossover and media possibilities for both parties in an unfortunately concluded paragraph published in Salon last Thursday:
About this time in the veepstakes, there is often a flurry of talk about erasing party lines in the quest for an unconventional path to an electoral majority. McCain himself was on John Kerry's 2004 short list. And this time around, Joe Lieberman (McCain) and Chuck Hagel (Obama) have the requisite crossover appeal. But there is an even bolder way of reaching out to the other side -- taking an esteemed figure from the media. In the old days, first Walter Cronkite and then Bill Moyers were mentioned by that powerful offstage figure called the Great Mentioner (a wonderful title invented by columnist Russell Baker). Tom Brokaw and -- maybe even in the right light -- Tim Russert might fit that familiar-but-above-the-fray profile today.
Oops, nobody could have anticipated....
(But at least I have brought this Sunday Late Nite post full circle, and still avoided the topic I promised myself I would avoid tonight.)
All in all, I agree with the Reverend Al Sharpton, who had this to say about who should be picked for the job:
“I have two words to say about who Obama should select and they are, ‘Obama’s choice,’” said Rev. Sharpton. “If we have the confidence to select him as our candidate I believe that people should have the confidence to allow him to select a running mate,” he said.
Neverthless, who would you recommend Barack Obama consider for his Veep?
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Jus Cogens!
must resist the zed
Teddy! Suz!
I would recommend Teddy Partridge for Barack Obama’s Veep!
Teddy!
I nominate Christy.
Hello, tw3k! Resistance is futile.
Hello CT, how is your father’s day?
Hi Suzanne!
Tex, the Veep’s gotta be 35, just like the Prez. Our CHS won’t qualify, I’m sure.
Didn’t LBJ utter those same words in ‘68?
i think so.. if not those same words, words very similar
I listened to Brian Schwietzer on Washington Journal the other day I came away pretty unimpressed to tell you the truth. He wasn’t at all he what I expected, he damn sure isn’t progressive, I would think him definite step backward.
And no former Republicans! Some will say I am being overly picky, I would say it’s just part of that “More & better Democrats” deal. I keep slogging along with it, but damn, it gets awful hard sometimes.
I’m enjoying some time with my folks, altho they’re not home right now, they’re at a wedding…!
Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President.
Evening all. An intriguing topic, Teddy. Just let me say once again, YOU CANNOT HAVE GOV. SCHWEITZER! We need him too much right now here in Montana (where he is pretty much a shoe in for re-election. Come back in four years, when he will be termed out. Then we can talk about the national stage (though personally I would like to see him replace the useless bluedog Baucus).
Good evening, Teddy.
Hate to say this, and it’s not a decision I agree with, but I think Senator Obama will go with Wes Clark.
I’ve just turned off the re-run of NBC’s The Russert Wake, so you’ll forgive me if I struggle to avoid The Topic. I spent most of the day searching the all-too-rich RUSSERT category at Media Matters, and then decided to wait a bit before publishing what I’d found under the heading “Lest We Forget….”
But as to the Wake: what a bunch of self-indulgent Villagers. Every workplace needs a wake, okay, we get it — but just because you have teevee cameras doesn’t mean they must be ON.
It was lovely to see Mrs Carville, though, in her leather top made from baby seals, with yellow capri pants. Who’s her media consultant, anyway?
Heh, you’re good…! ;-)
Woah, wtf, I gotta read this or what!?!?!?
weiner wankers at a wake
That’s pretty tacky dress for a wake - but then we know she has no taste.
per wiki
I remember reading at the time that the “shall/will” distinction (now long discarded) showed the schoolteacher in Lyndon.
Walter Shapiro had better buy himself a clue if he doesn’t realize how radioactive HoJo has become to Dems.
Why do you think he’ll decide on Clark? Gut feeling?
Oh goody! I eagerly await that post and the opportunity to speak ill of the dead.
Teddy, now now… calm down… don’t wreck your own thread by talking about you know who. The VP choice is much more important.
Look who she married.
ha ha ha, f00ker
McInsane Flip-flop…
First…
then…
Good Evening Teddy and Firedogs,
wow Mr Partidge - meaty post and damn thorough as well. The brain is ping ponging names/advantages/liabilities . . .
still think it’s gonna be Sibelius for all my prev stated reasons
but hey, Finegold might pass electability muster - omfg the anti-cheney
It’s shallow, but I believe the great height disparity may mitigate against a Clark candidacy.
And, Clark highlights quite unflatteringly, Obama’s perceived lack of defense chops. He says he’ll take a back seat to no one on foreign policy, and choosing a former general plays into the lack. Better to choose a governor, some say, with only domestic experience. Or a governor, others say, with lots of foreign policy expertise. Like Richardson.
Two things. I haven’t been around as much as I would like lately … Teddy San Fran has morphed into Teddy Partridge?
Absolutely no to Jim Webb. My ex-wife (an HRC backer) cannot stand him, and I suspect a lot of progressive women will feel the same.
Hiya All,
Loved all posts today, but especially Dave’s Father’s Day and Eli’s Book Salon.
Honestly, I don’t think another Senator should be his Veep, altho, I certainly like Edwards since he’s not particularly busy at the moment…!
Yes, but there are practical reasons as well.
First, it’s a feint to Senator Clinton.
Second, Southern.
Third, Military credentials - unassailable by McCain.
Fourth, VP’s aren’t all in the mold of Shooter - keep them in the dark most of the time, and use them where they have relevant experience.
Teddy - I think that with Obama being who he is, almost no one will be too heavy at the bottom of the ticket, regardless of the contrasts.
Just a hunch.
Can he run for governor and Veep at the same time, as LBJ and Lieberman ran for Senate and Veep concurrently? And what if he wins both, how would his successor be determined? I’ve heard (at Orangerie, probably) that the Democratic bench in Montana is weak, but who might succeed him?
I’ve been waved off Napolitano for the same reasons (and others) but I think you’d better get used to your Gov being in contention.
As someone who remembers the Tawana Brawley debacle in NYC back in the day I never thought I would find myself standing strongly shoulder to shoulder with Al Sharpton, but he’s absolutely right. I just wish the Sunday Morning Gasbags and all the rest of the Very Important Pundits And Analysts would just STFU.
Schweitzer would bring along the undecided white males quite nicely
Margot, how are you?
okay
(hi!)
Hello AC- well, I can respond to first point- yes, same Teddy.
I’ll bet they had some really nice 30 year old Jamisons Irish Whisky. I would have probably attended and paid homage to the great man simply to drink mass quantities of free (operative word) shots and commiserate with any and all.
I think Shapiro suggested Joe for McCain. Joe is radioactive to knowledgable Democrats, but many independents see him as having “bipartisanship,” that commodity they’ve learned from High Broderist Villagers to value highly.
I think a McCain/Lieberman ticket would be the most difficult to defeat.
HoJo…? ;-)
Some of us still fight the good fight… I use the subjunctive case, and “whom,” and still understand that people are “hanged” not hung, which is what we do to beef if we want good steaks…
I want Edward for AG. Anti-trust has been non-existant and God know we need some. The idea of having frims too big to fail seems like a bad thing and bugs the shit out of me.
Yes
Jim Webb: former Reaganite,
former(?) sexist, pro-telecom immunityNot on my short list, nosiree
Heh. How long has he been referred to as “Timmeh” here? It’s gonna be a LOOOOONG post…
I thought it was clothes that got “hung”.
I am actually not sure how his replacement would be determined. You heard right about the Democratic bench. A combination of #@^%&$! term limits (a GOP plot to unseat Democratic candidates they can’t beat) and 12 years of Republican domination have left us pretty weak. There are a handful of good people available, but I am not sure if they have the same level of support statewide (Schweitzer has an approval rating in the 60s).
Funny.
But I mean weighty, sharply contrasting with Obama’s policy experience for instance.
What you’re talking about is the yuck-factor.
Probably not. Democrats here are not well organized, we barely were able to find someone to run against Lamar (is he still alive? per Atrios, no link because blogger is blocked in China) Alexander. Bredesen is way right on economic policy. One of his first acts was to “repair” the Workers Comp system here to protect the interests of business. He is not a good speaker, he drones.
And I need to read what I write before hitting submit.
Betcha you still cringe at the misused its and it’s too, don’t you? Me too — but it’s the distinction I gave up correcting when the century began its turn.
Okay. I read that. What gets the slime off? Brain bleach won’t do it, and I wasn’t warned to put on my Hazmat suit…
So, you heard the one about the plastic surgeon who hung himself?
Sorry … I’l go sit in the corner and be quiet now.
Body should be cold enough by now.
Or do we have to wait for the MSNBC wake to end?
Webb? No. Not a good idea, and I think his initial public reaction (”NO!”) was the best one. Richardson should certainly be on the short list, and his more-than-public break with HRC makes me feel better about his independence from such things as the DLC. Also he brings some ideas about Energy policy as policy not slogans, I think which might be welcome thing in the next four years.
Obama is a pretty decent guy, and a wonderful candidate but I too want to see what he’s gonna do with cabinet appointments and such. It will tell us all a lot about his thinking and the direction he wants to take this country.
Oh, Marion. I think of “that/which” — Chicago Manual of Style still haunts me.
For a chart- and graph-heavy analysis of why Edwards should be Obama’s choice, please check out this study at OpenLeft. I didn’t link it up in the post because I was afraid you all would get lost in it — it’s quite impressive and dense.
I gave up telling that one when too many people would stand there and wait for me to finish.
It will never end. If I hear one more lionization of a mediocre interviewer and lousy journalist I will throw something at the TV.
You may be right, but holy crap — can you IMAGINE having to listen to the pair of them on some news show? The sound of those two voices together… I’m searching for bamboo skewers to stab into my ears…
Round about when Bush stole the WH, eh?
I kin unnerstan that.
Howard Dean please! Eloquent, passionate, and now much more experienced and knowledgeable.
Currently serving Senators? -> No.
“This is nonsense, up with which I shall not put.”
(Winston Churchill?)
Them too. Pretty much anything that isn’t human…
Where I am from (Oklahoma) that is the way we generally feel about those who are hung. s/
I do like Richardson! He has the real bona fides in both Foreign and Domestic policy…! I’m sure it’d boost Obama’s Latino numbers, too…!
Oh, gawd… don’t even get me started on plural possessives… I’m sure you read “Eats, Shoots and Leaves,” which made me howl with delight.
You are past incorrigable!!!! I made that up….heh, heh…bad, bad, bad..
You are in detention. Again…..
Hey AC, I think about this everyday! I love words.
I loved that book. Laughed all the way through.
It would be a good idea to do some research. Is there a Lt Governor? Who succeeds a sitting Governor? Does that successor fill the entire unexpired term, or would there be a special, out-of-sequence election to fill the void?
I’m proposing that research so you would be able to say, NO — and here’s why! Or, better yet, allow his name to be considered and perhaps have him selected without losing the opportunity to keep the governor’s mansion.
He’s in the running, regardless of what I say about it. *g*
707! We’re in a round room this evening — there are no corners!
Well, I for one, am THRILLED that Russert’s death has migrated to very low on the front page of the online NYTimes. I was afraid it was to be Reagan treatment for Timmeh. Not watching TV, I’ve managed to effectively insulate myself.
Veep? I’d like to see Edwards.
I recomend you keep sponges on the coffee table. *g*
Janet Napolitano Arizona governor? Also good and younger than most.
another Gore run? as James Cravenville said….? I’d guess not. Too controversial.
but the above mentioned woman might be the best choice: she has to do something other anyway as her term of governor will be over due to term limits in Kansas: Kathleen Sebelius effective, able to win in a Republican dominated state and very pro education, pro environment and admittedly attractive and personable. A winner!
Hi, fine here, cool even.
And you’re crazy.
Bwah-hahahaha!!!!!
Me too. Yet another reason why I’ll be so very glad to see Crawford get their village idiot back come late January … what he does to our language ought to be punishable by law.
Interesting data, but as to graphical presentation, sux. He’s connecting dots like they trend lines- should be bar graphs. Geez- Bushco really has wrecked science education.
Me? I have a basket of rolled up socks…
I shut the TV.
I am highly aggravated that Stew did not get to appear on national TV to collect his one Tony so that they could show “The Little Mermaid” and “Young Frankenstein”.
I’ve got it. Lieberliar will replace Russert, because he is “known” to be neutral and has no job in the foreseeable future..
Wahhhh, wahhhh, wahhhh, Iran, bomb, Iran, wahhhh, wahhh, wahhh..
Isn’t that what they want right now?
Shoot me now, put me out of my misery…I can’t take it anymore…
There aren’t really any currently serving US Senators who are progressive enough to suit me, from states with Democratic governors that also matter in the Electoral College except:
Russ Feingold & Sherrod Brown
Really, she is so bad…I dunno…
*making mental note to stock up on sponges and rolled up socks for the lake in addition to the usual brain bleach order*
I know you laughed, I heard you laugh.
It goes to the Lt. Gov. for the full term, which in this case is a Republican. A moderately sane Republican (at least by Montana’s dismally low standards), but still.
Yes. I am officially a “crazy”…woo, woot!!! But, you know that…
Thanks for the post Teddy, haven’t given the VP a lot of thought.
1. HRC.
She brings a ton in Ohio, PA, and the border states. Some Dems would rather be on a stage with her than with Obama.
She’s got
extremely high name recognitionrock-star status which translates into big crowds and LOTS of free media coverage.Her husband brings those same rock-star qualities. Each of them can raise big money and they can at least blunt Lieberman’s fund raising in the NE and Florida.
I don’t see any other Democrat who can deliver anything close to the electoral punch that HRC brings. Yeah I know there is baggage. I just think it’s easier to find a liberal in NY to replace her in the Senate than some of the other names being thrown around.
2. Sebelius (who I’d hate to lose as a Governor).
I’ll support whomever Obama selects.
IMHO, Feingold would be wasted as VP, too valuable the Senate. I think Edwards will be terrific somewhere in the Cabinet.
Here’s the thing about Richardson: he was on Gore and Kerry’s very short lists, but he’s got a reputation problem with his treatment of women, enough to vet him out of consideration. Apparently, it’s not a zipper problem, but it’s a “cultural” problem. He’s a sexist, they say, but not a philanderer.
I can’t see someone with that reputation soothing the roiling waters, can you?
Well, I’m a happy camper because we finally had a rollicking thunderstorm followed by a good, long soaking rain today. I’m also a tired camper, and my alarm clock’s going to screech at me in about 6 hours so I’m outta here. Sleep well, and know that when you wake up tomorrow there will be only 218 days of W left.
Yessireebob…that would be me…..
Hiya Suz… brain bleach? I have a gallon or 12, have had it since Jan 2000. It works well…
yikes, i’m gonna have nightmares
g’nite marion
hey jofish, congrats
oh, and DrD