It's now been a full school year since I officially ended my stint as a full-time stay-at-home dad. I was Fiona's primary caregiver from the day her mom returned to work (about three months after her birth) until she enrolled full time in first grade in the fall of last year. The ensuing near-year has given me enough distance and time to think about the meaning of that six-year stint.
I haven't yet managed to seriously organize my thoughts, but the distance has led me to a number of random observations:
-- There is, of course, the whole masculinity issue involved in such an undertaking. I've written previously a little about this. Mostly, as I said then, it can be a struggle at times, particularly if you've been culturally hard-wired with the whole man-as-breadwinner thing; but the real rewards dwarfed any of those insecurities into insignificance.
-- People's assumptions told me a lot about the stereotypes people have about fathers. I was assumed to be a divorcee enjoying my custody days with Fiona; a grandfather (comes with being an older parent); a husband taking days off to give Mom a break; and a dirty fucking hippie. Guilty on the last count.
-- There is a profound realization you have about the meaning of love that comes with being a parent; I know this is all a cliche, but it's something that smacks you over the head no matter how much you hear about it in advance.
Now, some people are smug about parenthood because of this and conclude that they have a special insight into the nature of love and meaning. But I for one am not so certain. Love comes in so many shapes and forms so many different kinds of meaning for different people that it's impossible to make an adequate comparison to anyone else's life experience.
But fear, I can talk about. You never really know the meaning of fear until you are a parent. Really.
-- I'm still flabbergasted by men who don't want to be involved fathers. Dudes, you have no fricking idea what you are missing. A deep bond with your child is a treasure beyond any material object on the planet; that's not sentiment, it's fact.
-- There is a certain amount of resistance on the part of some women to stay-at-home dads. Some of this felt like simple old territoriality to me, but there was also a comfort zone attached to the all-female state of my child play areas (after all, who wants some guy hanging about while you discuss breastfeeding issues with your fellow moms?). On the other hand, there were always women who were openly envious of my wife. I managed to mostly navigate these waters by playing the part of a clueless dopey male. (I'm really really good at this.)
But I couldn't help feeling that many of these mothers, as I noted before, saw child care as drudgery, whereas for me it was an intriguing adventure. And it occurred to me that if stay-at-home dads were more common it would be less intriguing for men but also a lot less drudgery for women. It would be a sign that the work of raising children was being given the value it deserved.
-- It's probably not an easy role reversal for women, either. Who wants to come home to a frumpy mate covered in baby food and reeking of changed diapers? Though it can't be easy taking on the role and responsibility of chief breadwinner, either (especially when you work for a famous software company most famous for wringing 70-hour workweeks out of its employees). I was very fortunate that way -- especially since along the way my wife, Lisa D., wound up subsidizing and almost wholly sponsoring my blogging and book-writing career. Even on Father's Day, I owe her a world of thanks.
-- A simple summation: Best job I ever had. Or ever will have.
Happy Father's Day to my fellow dads. And for those of you thinking about staying home and taking the role of primary caregiver, and wondering if they really want to do all those diaper and feeding and stroller things ... well, all I can say is: You will not regret it. Because in the long run, those memories just fade away. And the good ones, the ones the matter, they remain.
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David Neiwert as Mister Mom.
” you fed the baby chili?!”
Awwww David!
Happy Fathers Day!
Here’s a hefty pat on the back just for YOU! ;->
oh David great pic !!
wish I could stay and enjoy the thread with y’all
Happy Fathers Day to all (((Firedads)))
Happy Father’s Day to you David! You are one of the many treasured Father’s in this country who go out of their way to be there for their kids. My sister and I were so lucky to have the Father we did. Here’s one thing he always said to us growing up:
“He always had words of encouragement for us girls. He would say, “Girls are always right”, when he would pretend to not know how to do something and would look to us for advice”
How sweet is that! Raising daughters isn’t easy, but when you have a Dad who sees you as an equal and always encourages you to be who you are, then raising a daughter is fun. I know I had a ton of fun as a little girl and I have my Dad to thank.
I received some of that look down your nose because I was a “stay at home” mom until my son was 3yrs old….
Good on you David…. there is nothing like that bond with your child… wish I could have that with my two youngest…..
Happy Dad’s day to one and all
Except I think it was circumstantially forced onto Mr. Mom, but I actually chose this.
When I was 11, my mom had my youngest brother, Eric. She became seriously ill afterward and I had to learn how to do child care (and in those days diapers used safety pins and went into a diaper pail — phew! — while the bottles were real bottles you had to sterilize by boiling them; parenthood is in many ways much easier now). Well, I found even then that I really kind of liked it. Most of all, my baby brother and I really bonded, and we’re still tight to this day.
So I always knew if we had a kid I wanted a shot at being the primary caregiver. And we’d both agreed even before we were married that if/when we had kids, one of us would be staying home.
Remembering my father with gratitude, he poured out his life to give us kids the chance for a better future.
Thanks for sharing this, Dave. I was a stay at home mom when it was considered a scandalous waste of my professional education and a rejection of feminist values. Yet it was the most rewarding work I ever did.
Dave,
I remember seeing a picture of Fiona over at Orcinius, and we exchanged some email back then when I was more of a stay at home mom because my babies were smaller. What a beautiful child she was and how lucky you were to spend those early years with her. My mother said to me when I had my first child that it was a privilige to care for a child in that first year because of the incredible honor and the growth in that time. And I’ve held to that thought through the rest of the years too because its true. Child rearing, up close and personal, can be exhausting, grubby, irritating, dull, repetitive etc.. but it is an incredible privilege to be given the chance to be with a little learning and giving machine as it learns and gives to the world around it. I have learned so much from my daughters. Its a priceless relationship. And while I’m at it I would like to thank my daughters’ father for working so hard to allow us to have this precious time together.
aimai
..um.. and David? Hint hint. It’s only just begun.
Best parenting advice we ever received:
It never gets better or worse, it just gets different as they grow.
The guy who told us that was right on!
Our 2 “kids” now worry about US. It’s hilarious. And lovely. We celebrated the big day yesterday, with one of the “kids” and me cooking in our kitchen together. Plus lots and lots of talking about anything and everything. Heaven must be a little like that, or a lot. ;->
Just HAVE to ask, tee hee. Are you one of those parents who cried when Fiona went off to Kindergarten? I could never understand that. To us, it was a joy to watch them grow and develop.
You must be one terrific dad. Got one in this household too fwiw.
Nice. Parenting is very complex for sure. It also never ends, it just morphs as time passes. I was the first of four kids. When I was born, during the Korean War, my mother didn’t have a clue as to what to do with me, so my dad, who had tons of nieces and nephews and was also a rocket scientist, took over! Of course I have no memory of this, but when my mother got seriously sick while I was still a toddler, I went to work with my dad. He says everyone took care of me. We still have a special bond 50+ years later, but it is more as equals. Happy Fathers Day to all you guys out there. I am off to give my gift. See you later.
My dad died 38 years ago but he is with me every day. I can still hear his voice and remember the way his hands felt holding mine. When I am feeling down about something I think about what he would have told me and I pick myself up. He was always there for me and is to this very day and I miss him.
No, I was delighted. I get pangs, of course — they grow up waaaay too fast, which is common knowledge, I think. But I always saw my job as making her grow well and when she went off to school the first time, I was just very, very proud.
David,
As a stay at home Dad and political activist for three years my relationship with my Daughter while I was at home is much better than those with her older two brothers. Happy Parenting Day.
Thanks for this post. I have never had so much fun as the last three years as Mr. Mom.
Happy Fathers’ Day. Good memories.
Miss my Pop too. For the first time in my 62 years I am without him. He passed 6 weeks ago. Sigh…
David, great post! I fully agree with the gist of your post, there is a bond formed through the time you get to spend with your child.
My Father spent so much time apart from the family that he was like a stranger a lot of time to me. I was born when he was in Korea, He had to go to Okinawa alone until he could get housing for the family, He was gone every time LBJ was at his ranch, He was in Vietnam during my Sophomore and Junior years of High School. We had some rough times, but we are quite close, especially since my Brother’s passing.
I was just thinking of you a few minutes ago and that this would be your first year without him. I feel for you but he will never be gone. I wish you joy and peace.
BobbyG, I watched your video of your father and it brought tears to my eyes.
I forgot to tell you and was EPUed in the last post. The unspoken law goes thusly:
Thanks. I will always treasure that clip. It’s pretty strange, but in some ways I had the best relationship I ever had with him during the past year, his severe dementia notwithstanding. Many times, he’d see me comin’ down the hall in the nursing home, and he’d get this big grin, eyes lit up, and he’d reach out his hand…“Hi!…you’re my son, right? Can ya get me outa here?…”
LOL!
thanks. i must be dense as a lamppost.
I love knowing there are lots of Mr. Moms here at FDL!
(((((BIG HUGS FOR ALL OF YOU)))))
I have been a “stay-at-home” dad for almost 21 years and it’s been my experience that, except for breastfeeding, there’s nothing a woman can do that a man can’t do when it comes to the care of their children.
take lotsa pix, and even notes, which i’m sure you do.
they’ll be fodder for sharing terrific memories.
did i mention? your pic above is priceless.
terrific post here. but then i always read yours with interest. ;->
I understand that. Mine died 43 years ago, two weeks before I finished the college that he had struggled to send me to in order to provide me with an easier shot at life than he had. I’m now eleven years older than he lived to be, but still am guided by the wisdom he instilled. I still think, “What would dad do?” I’ve been blessed with a chance to pass it along to children and grandchildren.
I’m a Stay-At-Home Dad. LOL!
My kids are all grown. But, having gotten laid off 16 months ago, and now being apparently forcibly retired, and with the price of gas. I simply pretty much stay at home.
I hardly think so :o)
Beatiful story, BobbyG. Dementia is such a tough thing to deal with in a loved one. Seeing them just slip away… breaks your heart.
I was thinking along the same lines. good vibes to be sure!
David:
You are what is known as a Real Dad.
Real Dads don’t think that they’re doing anyone any favors when they look after their own kids. “Looking after one’s own kids” is part of the job description — Real Dads do it without being asked.
Oh, and that picture of you and Fiona is adorable. (((hug)))
((((hug))))
Excellent piece David, thank you much .
I’m not a daddy.
But.
In the last few years, as things evolve, I became a dad to my dad. His mind was going, but not his wild sense of humour. So, I did what I could to make him safe.
He left us last july. Not one day goes by without dad lodging himself in a part of my consciousness. Miss him dearly.
Those years taking care of him were the best of my life.
Happy Father’s Day, David, & all FDL dads:
Making the decision to have a child is momentous. It is to decide forever to have your heart go walking around outside your body.
-Elizabeth Stone
I simply loved raising my salt & pepper kids! (pic from 1974 Seattle). Back when I was still a road musician, I used to take ‘em with me. Bandleader/babysitter. Stash ‘em in the comped hotel room, and run up and check on ‘em during breaks.
My own parenting journey has consisted heavily of working jobs that allowed me to largely be at work when the kids are in school, home when they are out. It was a conscious decision that we made when we became parents..and have continued it throughout most of their lives.
This year for almost ten months, we abandoned that ethos when I went to work as Jeff Merkley’s Netroots Outreach for his U.S. Senate campaign here in Oregon. Before I took the job, I sat my two (now teenaged) kids down and informed them about the job and the commitment. And they agreed that I should do it–because its what I’m passionate about and its the kind of work I love doing.
But after 90 hours a week and missing countless events (my daughter’s first Homecoming dance, my son’s debate tournaments, etc) and coming home very late and very exhausted every night, barely able to stay awake–let alone listen to the stories about my daughter’s day or help my son research for his history project–I had to quit that job.
I guess there’s a reason that campaign work is generally for the very young and mostly childless.
Missing out on parenting my children became more than either they or I could bear. Perhaps I’m spoiled by the joy I get from being their mother. Not that it isn’t incredibly difficult and as Dave says, it teaches you the real meaning of fear. But its simply not worth trading for anything else.
I’ll still be doing what I can to help get Jeff elected to the Senate. Its SO crucial. But I’ll have to do it on the terms that allow me to be the mother I have to be.
I have been slapped to reality today
I overheard some people saying “the supreme court just said terrorists can go free” and everyone (but me) sat there and agreed (I laid into them of course)
I live in a liberal city and people are sayng and agreeing with this bullcrap, I cannot imagine what people in red states are saying
Gawsh I’m overly chatty today, but just love this topic.
I’ve just gotta put in a good word for all those dads out there who do NOT have the opportunity to be stay-at-home dads, and yet, in the time they are available after working long hours on the job, they choose to be the one who gets up in the middle of the night to check the kids and generally “handle stuff” whenever they see a need. The dads who, in whatever time they have at home, are truly “available” emotionally and every other way to their families.
Those guys are tops in my book right along with the stay-at-home dads.
The kids feel the emotional closeness, no matter the specific circumstances. They never forget. They grow older and they feel free to share their innermost thoughts with loving dads [and moms, ahem]. I can’t tell you how special that feeling is. Mr.Adie & I have often talked about the awesome feeling we get at this near-miracle. Our “kids” are caring adults who make us very proud with how they treat others in this world. The parenting gig is a gift that just keeps giving.
[belated warning: the above mush may make yer teeth ache; no remedy known; apologies]
A Father’s Day tribute and a powerful call to unity:
I Am Spartacus.
“The worst decision in our history.”
- John McBu’ush
Yeah. He said that the other day.
Oh that picture is just so cute it hurts.
It’s very important to them to delegitimize the Third Branch. Damned activist Judges legislating from the bench!
Well, I think we bring different things to the table. Men actually tend to be better at certain kinds of nurturing — confidence-building, for example — as are women at other kinds. But the idea that child-rearing is “women’s work” seems incredibly stupid to me.
David, thanks for a post I will remember. You had a rare opportunity to spend that much time with your daughter - wonderful memories. I admire you strength in doing this - it’s the hardest job in the world and the one you love the most.
Good for you, Carla. I know it was a tough decision, but it was the right one. Jeff will get elected just fine, I think — and the groundwork you laid for him will be a big part of that. Meanwhile, anytime we sacrifice our humanity we’re paying too big a price.
((((HUGS)))) Nothing worse than losing a parent, Quebecois. Even though you don’t have children yourself, be a good “Dad” to your nephews, nieces, and to the kids of your friends. These kids will be grateful for it! My son has been raised by me without his biological father around, but luckily, he’s had my father, brother, and some of my male friends to be there for him. He hasn’t felt fatherless at all. ;-)
THANK YOU!
That happened to me also. Momentary shock and panic here as a reflex. It’s repugnant bile being e-mailed and spewed on the telly & no-doubt radio. Not sure, but I think Obama’s already on it without so much as a stutter-step.
This is going to be an ugly campaign from the pugnicans.
Be ready folks. Go to FDL & KOS et al. and scribble notes if you need to. But be ready for this. It was all over the airwaves in a flash, yes, on vaunted MSNBC/NBC, Dobbs? OMG, don’t turn HIM on without wearing oven mitts and sunscreen. Aaack.
Shoot, this is Pappa’s Day. Have they no shame?! Nope! Only blind panic.
Don’t expect ‘em to be logical. Don’t bother acknowledging they have any argument at all. It’s all fauxfact gar-bage. Just smack ‘em with the truth.
[we now return to your regular programming]
((((FATHERS))))
I missed the zed
Oh, exactly. Real Dads, whether stay-at-home or not, see their kids not as burdens but as treasures — time spent with them is good time.
Happy Father’s Day, Dave…and all you other dads. As an older mom (started at 46), I can say without reservation parenting is the hardest job I’ve ever had, and the most rewarding.
Add another thing to your list of why some moms are nervous about having a dad in the playgroup - affairs. There’s a big disconnect between some spouses after the birth of a child. They can become estranged as the woman focuses entirely on the child (in the eyes of dad) and the man becomes jealous and withdrawn (as it seems to mom). I’ve seen it, it’s ugly and our playgroup broke up as a result of one.
Yeah, I can see that.
Happy father’s day, David. Another DFH here. I’ve taken the main home-making role while working part time since our two entered school. They are out now (being 19 and 22), and we remain as close as can be.
Doctor’s appointments, school conferences, clothes and food shopping, cooking and cleaning, nursing colds and flu bugs, comforting bruised egos,… it’s all been a great ride. I, likewise, stand in wonder at the dads who refuse to get involved in their kid’s lives. I’ve come around to the thought that parenting is what manhood is all about. Our 19 yo is autistic, and I can think of few greater challenges.
To all you single guys out there, fear not. Marry your best friend, go forth and multiply. There is no greater earthly reward than being called “Dad”.
Oh, brother. You would think from hanging out on blogs that this should be a slam-dunk issue.
Happy Father’s Day and lovely post.
This is a complex case, but most self-respecting liberals should be opposed to Guantanamo because of the lack of due process. This is one step.
yep
Hi Kay,
Thanks dear, nice hug.
I love kids. They seem to like me cause I treat them like adults in our discussions, and like kids when we play.
david-my former neighbor was a stay-at-home dad…..he’s a great dad……i have no idea how he found the energy to do all of the things he did…….every single day, rain or shine. a happier child i never have seen. his wife was a teacher.
my two best friends married each other and with their daughter they both did the rearing, she just graduated from mt. holyoke, cum laude..i’m so proud of her!!… and the mom had a daughter from a previous marriage, the dad adopted her and treated her just like his own…..
people talk about the bond, i think the bond is knowing your child and what they need……they can feel that. so, no matter the arrangement, knowing your child is the thing. however you have to do that.
i have the best dad in the world…..what he wants for father’s day, christmas and birthdays? consumables, that’s how he says it……so, i give him what he wants-quaker oatmeal cookies/with ’flies’ and a bread from nova scotia that he found when they visited there, he got the recipe from the bakery-for me to make for him…..christmas, tins of goodies that last him well into the new year.
he’s been my dad from the fifth grade on, and my sister and i couldn’t have a better dad if we had picked one ourselves. he’s a really good guy. the most fair man i’ve ever known. mom and he were engaged in college, broke up, married and had kids with someone else, both got divorced, years later met up again because of his mom and got married, they are still in love…..knowing how much he loves my mom and she him amazes me every time i see them……just saw him last week and will celebrate his birthday on the fourth when i go up to help with the monthly charity pizza night my sister and mom and me do for her elks club.
last one we made 50? pizzas…….wow, huh?……dad fills in and helps where we need it.
so, you don’t have to be ’blood’ to be a good dad……he might as well be my blood and i love him to death. and every year i make sure to get a mushy card and i say just that……what i said here.
happy father’s day to all.
Happy father’s day, Dave. Many more.
ok, think progress has up right now that mccain is going to introduce legislation to undermine the scotus decision
the democrats really need to be prepared;
“you are saying, if an person using the cover of office wants to put me out of business, all they have to do is claim I am a terrorist and I am put in jail with no chance of proving you were lying to get my business?”
“you are saying, if my son is raped by one of your depraved officials, all he has to do to avoid prosecution is make believe my son is some kind of terrorist and you don’t want him to be allowed to prove you are making that crap up?”
“WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE IDIOTS?”
LINK
My husband, Mr. CE is the best Dad in the world. He got up every night to walk crying babies, changed their CLOTH diapers, and washed them as well. He made breakfast each school day, and then drove them to school. He was there for every story hour and ice cream social, clapped during each school play and listened and questioned those parent/teacher conferences. He is a great husband and has dedicated his time to his son and daughter and worked a full time job for over 26 years. Here’s a story written about our son Jack, and how his Dad has provided for him these many years.
http://www.case.edu/pubaff/uni.....monson.htm
Thanks, Dave, for your wonderful post!
It’s the cat bus from My Neighbor Totoro! Where is that? My daughter, wife, and I love Miyazaki.