John McCain would love probably love dearly to shed the nativist dead weight that is the rest of the Republican Party. But he can’t — most of all because it’s not in his nature. Mr. "Straight Talk" can’t help but pander to whoever his audience is.
So when he’s surrounded by nativists, he talks like them, getting all tough on "border security." When he’s in a more thoughtful setting, he gets all fuzzy about "comprehensive reform."
It’s already gotten him into trouble with the nativist wing — which ranges from the Malkinite and Tancredoan wingnuts to the Ron Paulian wingnuts, who actually hate each other but are united in their loathing of the GOP nominee, referring to him as "Juan" McCain. He keeps making gestures in their direction, but so far it is not working very well.
And it’s selling even worse with Latinos, who already suspect McCain of opportunism simply because he’s a Republican in the mold of Bush (lots of nice talk but an ugly reality). When he openly panders to his party’s wingnuts, as he’s been doing, the suspicions turn to a big fat thumbs down.
According to the most recent NBC poll, Barack Obama leads McCain among Hispanic voters by a 62-28 percentage margin. That’s much worse than even the 44 percent of the Latino vote that Bush reportedly managed to get in 2004 (at least according to some exit polls, though other polls showed him faring much worse).
McCain believes he can do better, but it sounds like wishful thinking. A sympathetic piece at Real Clear Politics (which gives a generous accounting of his flip-flopping on immigration) quotes an optimistic campaign spokesman:
Nationally, McCain will have work to do in convincing Latinos to join him. "Do [Hispanics] know John McCain? The answer is, well, not yet," said Lionel Sosa, a Republican ad maker who has already cut advertisements for McCain in advance of the general election.
Actually, they may be getting to know him all too well. McCain, after all, plays the same pander-to-the-audience schtick on other issues: torture, wiretapping, the Iraq war, on and on.
Still, his biggest problem with Latinos, as the WaPo notes, is the Republican brand in general, especially on immigration, where the debate has turned into an outright Latino-bashing frenzy:
McCain’s problem will be the tarnished reputation of his party. Frank Sharry, executive director of America’s Voice, points out that nothing may affect him among Latinos as much as the "R" beside his name. While McCain will remain sufficiently moderate on immigration, despite some politically expedient tips of the hat to certain segments of the conservative base, the GOP’s association with hard-line measures is a galvanizing force among Latino voters. While only half of them are immigrants, most have come to see the anti-illegal immigrant crusade of the last three years as an anti-Latino movement.
… But it may turn out that Obama’s best allies for getting out the Latino vote will be Bush’s Homeland Security Department and media personalities that live to stoke anti-immigrant sentiment. While the immigration issue has faded from the presidential campaign, the increase in raids throughout the country — the number of undocumented immigrants arrested at workplaces rose more than sevenfold between 2002 and 2006 — and the continued pounding of the issue in primetime by Lou Dobbs, Bill O’Reilly and Glenn Beck will keep it very much alive for Latino voters. And that will only benefit the Democrats.
There was some concern, however, heading out of the primaries that Obama might have trouble attracting Latino votes, since a substantial majority of Hispanics preferred Hillary Clinton in a number of large states. But that concern hasn’t panned out, and it has a lot to do with what the two candidates are offering.
A piece by Maribel Hastings of the Spanish-language La Opinion newspaper examined some of the reasoning that’s taking place among voters:
Upon closer scrutiny of both candidate positions, there are differences. For example, McCain opposes the Dream Act that benefits undocumented students and Obama supports it; McCain opposes giving driving licenses to illegal immigrants; Obama supports it.
Nevertheless, both would vote in favor of building a wall on the southern border.
"But the most important differences are less obvious and have to do with what type of reform they’ll propose and try to pass," said Cecilia Munoz, vice president of the National Council of La Raza (NCLR).
According to Munoz, McCain’s talk on immigration changes "depending on his audience."
"We had George Bush’s heart behind immigration reform and that wasn’t enough. I think John McCain’s heart is behind the legislation but we don’t know if he wants or would be able to really push through the type of reform he wants," she added.
"Not only is he trying to placate Latino voters, but the anti-immigrant side of his party as well, and this will constrain him in an important way" said Munoz.
… But, according to Munoz, the fact that Obama promises to advance immigration reform in the beginning of his possible administration not only is a message to the immigrant community but also to Congress.
"It’s the type of difference with [John McCain] that is less obvious but equally important: the quality of the compromise," she concluded.
There’s also the quality of the candidate. One panders, the other leads. If Obama continues on that path, and makes that distinction clear to voters, he has a chance now to secure the Latino vote by a substantial margin. But it isn’t an opportunity that can wait.
Meanwhile, be sure to read Roberto Lovato’s thoughts on Obama and McCain.




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I’ve heard that after enough time, skin cancer starts to resemble the person to whom it’s attached.
Creepy image. Yikes!
- Tom
cool, don’t i wish.
Congrats TomR! but that just means you got to look at that awful pic longer than i did. whew. don’t get me wrong, David. Wery werry effective. blergh.
is there a way to mute pix so u can concentrate on reading? heh
Hey Tom. Try a 3 X 5 card. Seriously, David, you’ve upstaged your fine writing, and that’s hard to do. hmmmmm. try again now. oooops. put down beverage…
In another twist of irony…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..07189.html
LOLOLOL
What you gotta say about that McBush?
Oh hee hee. Malkinite AND Paulian plus, all hate their candydate. oh dear.
I can’t seem to find a tear to spare. Could they have it out on one a those extreme fighting channels?
Is it just me or does anyone else find the new McBush add about how he doesn’t like war to have a very strange tone? Strange how he talks about his father going to war and that his grandfather came home and died the next day and all in a very inappropriate sing song way. It just really struck me as very strange. It is very weak as an introductory piece at least IMO.
war. it’s the new, improved “family values” issue
dudue jour.gotta go gang. no no. please. sit. i luvs u too.
honey’s deep into painting prep without my “help”, yes, on Pappa’s Day. I told ya. We celebriated yestidie on account a kids’ schedules. that’s how it’s done.
stay safe and moderately sane, dawgies. ;->
Yes.
McBush loves war against brown people… pass it on.
There are some things McCain just doesn’t know. (shameless blogwhore)
Also, is Neiwert stuck inside the whole day. Get outside! Go bowling or something!
Seeing as he’s from the South-West, does anyone know if McSame has mastered spoken Spanish as well as Pequeños Cargadores?
I had in mind the Voldemort face that grows out the backside of Quirrel’s head in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone.
Seeing as how John Sidney McCain III was born in Panama, I would think so.
(not)
So let’s say you are an Hispanic citizen, who is swept up into ICE detention, because of your name or what you look like….would McCain’s version of how he wish SCOTUS had ruled, mean that the citizen would have no opportunity challenge the jailer to even be able to get to his/or her validation of citizenship in order to be released from detention….that ought to go over well with Hispanics and other ethnic groups.
Well done!
And FWIW, the sole bumper sticker on my car reads (and has read since 2004) “Republicans for Voldermort.”
Heh, me too. In the UK they called it “The Philosopher’s Stone”, which would hardly fit Mc2Face. Neither philosopher nor prince, he’s just a flunky for the Right who find it easier to hate than to love, and to blame rather than to forgive.
McVain, LIEberman and ol’Huck Graham just deserve each other… we deserve none of them.
Does anyone really believe that McCain can hack it on the campaign trail without his minders? Jeeze.
After a while you would think people would get tired of seeing his sidekicks Lieberman and Graham. They are beginning to look like the three stooges.
Are they vying for the VP slot, or taking turns escorting McCain to the mens room?
The nice thing is that nobody can go stage with him during the debates. It’s going to be fun, I think.
Hey Jo, Excellent post earlier… Ditto, David…! ;-)
Touché Hombre.
I wonder if he’ll then be ‘wired for sound’ the way Bush was?
But Senator Clinton kept winning the hispanic vote in the primaries. I thought that proved Senator Obama wouldn’t win that bloc in a general election.
A vertitable bevy of malaprops…
I coulda sworn it was an ‘Onion’ headline, at first…! ;-)
Ooohhhh, that’s a thot.
I was envisioning him straining to see a posterboard held at the back of the meeting hall, choosing the wrong one, and totally miss-reading an orphan answer following an unrelated question.
How’s his hearing?
wait 2 beats…
You ARE a good daddy. heh.
For fathers day Larry Kissell is selling gas at $1.22 again. Request for kos recs please.
I shouldn’t guess on such things so, being a complete nincompoop, I dive right in.
Your very perceptive comment reminds me of something Pade.
Does McSame strike anyone else as possessing weak skills in interpersonal relations? The wife-associated behavior and awful sexist !comments!, the rather impressive level and frequency of temper tantrums, the quick-and-kinda-nasty asides he snaps out on a regular basis. This guy does not appear to be a “people-person”, and may have little capacity for feeling, much less showing, empathy for others not as fortunate as he.
I am not a psychologist. But I was pretty good at animal behavior before I lost my mind. Now where DID I set that thing down…
AH. “A mindless fool is a terrible thing to loose onto a vulnerable world.”
Lessee. Too long for my bumper. But might fit my hips. hmmmmmm.
Eli hosting Book Salon upstairs about the Young Dick Cheney
OMG, on Father’s Day?! Oh the humanity!?!
David. Quick. Run on outside and play, honey. You’ve earned it!
Ooooh David. Never mind!
Quick! Upstairs! Woo Hoo!!!!
There has been some excellent research done by hispanic researchers on Mexican Americans and hispanics:
Mexican American integration slow, education stalled, study finds
excerpt:”The UCLA study, released today in a Russell Sage Foundation book titled “Generations of Exclusion: Mexican Americans, Assimilation, and Race,” concludes that, unlike the descendants of European immigrants to the United States, Mexican Americans have not fully integrated by the third and fourth generation. The research spans a period of nearly 40 years.”
excerpt:”The educational levels of second-generation Mexican Americans improved dramatically. But the third and fourth generations failed to surpass, and to some extent fell behind, the educational level of the second generation. Moreover, the educational levels of all Mexican Americans still lag behind the national average.”
excerpt:”Economic status improved from the first to second generation but stalled in the third and fourth generation. Earnings, occupational status and homeownership were still alarmingly low for later generations. Low levels of schooling among Mexican Americans were the main reason for lower income, occupational status and other indicators of socioeconomic status.”
UCLA Study by Vilma Ortiz and Edward E. Telles “http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/ucla-study-of-four-generations-46372.aspx
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Debunking the Myth of Immigrant Criminality: Imprisonment Among First- and Second-Generation Young Men
excerpt: “Incarceration rates increase significantly for all US-born coethnics without exception. That is most notable for Mexicans, whose incarceration rate increases more than eightfold to 5.9 percent among the US born; for Vietnamese (from 0.46 to 5.6 percent among the US born); and for the Laotians and Cambodians (from 0.92 percent to 7.26 percent, the highest of any group except for native blacks)………
Thus, while incarceration rates are found to be extraordinarily low among immigrants, they are also seen to rise rapidly by the second generation. Except for the Chinese and Filipinos, the rates of all US-born Latin American and Asian groups exceed that of the referent group of non-Hispanic white natives.”
UC Irvine Study by By Rubén G. Rumbaut, Roberto G. Gonzales, Golnaz Komaie, and Charlie V. Morgan
http://www.migrationinformatio…..cfm?ID=403
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I think we need to take data like this very seriously and consider that a immigration time-out is probably in our best interests.
one link broken above, here is the fix:
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/porta…..46372.aspx