Today, Nooner bases her entire column on this comparison:
Mr. McCain is the Old America, of course; Mr. Obama the New.
You can see right away where this is headed, don’t you?
In the Old America, love of country was natural. You breathed it in. You either loved it or knew you should.
Translation: Obama hates America.
The Old America had big families. You married and had children.
Yup, and apparently, in Old America, it was also customary to dump your disabled wife for a hotter, younger, richer model.
Old America: "We’ve been here three generations." New America: "You’re still here?"
Translation: Obama’s not a real American because he’s one generation removed from hunting antelopes with spears.
The Old America: Religion is good.
Translation: Obama is a godless heathen.
Mr. McCain is the old world of concepts like "personal honor," of a manliness that was a style of being, of an attachment to the fact of higher principles.
Translation: Obama has no honor and is a big girl.
But this is my favorite passage:
The Old and New define sacrifice differently. An Old America opinion: Abjuring a life as a corporate lawyer and choosing instead community organizing, a job that does not pay you in money but will, if you have political ambitions, provide a base and help you win office, is not precisely a sacrifice…A New America answer: He didn’t become a rich lawyer like everyone else—and that was a sacrifice! Old America: Five years in a cage—that’s a sacrifice!
Translation: Obama was never a POW; therefore, everything he did in service of his country is a meaningless, cynical contrivance in pursuit of power and money.
And lastly,
Old America: candidates for office wear ties.
Erm…

I can’t wait until this election is over.
Related posts:
- Peggy Noonan: Catering to the Base Hurts the Country, Except When Republicans are in Charge
- Peggy Noonan Calls Rush, Newt, Conservative Activists “Idiots” for Attacking Sotomayor
- If I was a less cynical person by nature
- FDL Book Salon: Dear President Obama With Bruce Kluger And David Tabatsky
- “Statesman” Orrin Hatch: I’m a Cynical Horse-Trader, So Don’t Hold My Sotomayor Vote Against Me





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Blue Texan, we’ve got to stop meeting like this!
Hi. Remember the NatPressClub post of yesterday? Here’s ol’ Lar’s post from today…still needs money, po’ fella.
“I Will Not Be Making Any Further Post Until After The NPC News Conference
Posted by Larry Sinclair on Friday, June 13, 2008
Well I guess I am going to have to let a friend post open threads similar to those of Greta for the next few days.
I will not be posting any Articles on the Blog until Tuesday June 17, 2008 or after the June 18, 2008 National Press Club event.
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Jus Cogens!
Larry Sinclair must be a symobl of old America.
Peggy Noonan, cheap shot artist.
-G
lol!
And just how does George W. Bush fit into “Old America”? Where’s his “sacrifice” Nooner?
G-O-L-F!
What a fucking tool this woman is.
Does Noonan even know what she is saying? With all these millions of young people getting involved this time how could she think the “old” would have any appeal. And with McC we are talking old!
And you hated the black folks, made sure they stayed on their side of town and didn’t use your bathrooms or water fountains.
Ahh, the Good Old Days.
Already tired of the ceaseless drumbeat of McSame and Barry. How about some posts on policy?
What is the ‘Progressive Agenda’, does it begins and end with ‘Elect Obama!’ and ‘Yes we can!’
‘Yes We Can!’ What?
Guess I’m just some racist asshole but I’d kinda like to know….
What is ‘The Plan.’
Besides moving the DNC to ChiTown and putting Kmiec on SCOTUS.
Ya know/
and Noonan is …
a patriotic, trusting, moral, Godfearing butch?
There are unconfirmed reports that some of McCain’s health records were destroyed with the Library of Alexandria.
Haaretz–Gadhafi: Obama fears Israel will assassinate him like it did JFK
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/991948.html
Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi said on Wednesday that U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s expressed support for Israel stems from his fear that the Mossad would assassinate him, just as it did President John F. Kennedy.
Guess its that ‘New American’ thing…
Then there was this part of Old America. Though I expect Noonan gets all misty-eyed about that too.
Untrue! Stone tablets do not burn.
In the Old America, Tiger Woods wouldn’t be allowed on a golf course.
Hey, she pines for Henry Fucking Ford, so anything is possible.
funny, I thought “Old America” hunted with spears before the Europeans ever arrived…..
Perhaps I just got confused.
Speaking of confused…did Peggy think through “McCain = Old America”?
Strange slogan for a candidate showing progressively worsening cognitive impairment.
not even to caddy
of course in Old America that reactionary klown would be home working on the lime jello and cottage cheese mold . . .and sure as bloody hell not working for the WSJ
On the brighter side: in Old America, pundit would not have been considered an appropriate occupation for Peggy Noonan.
What a horrible, horrible, column!
Isn’t that special.
In “old” America AAs were invisible. If she wants to keep this up she will be helping us, I think. Most people in this country are not stupid – they sometimes do stupid things but almost everyone can see through this. And she really isn’t talking about “old and new” – she’s talking about race and we all know it.
See? You DFHs have no character, you all should have left back when those bumper stickers instructed you to!*
I guess this doesn’t apply to you youngsters who have no idea as to which bumper stickers I am referring to…
I don’t get it! When Obama wore a tie, they called him “elitist.” Now Noonan is showing wearing a tie as a sign of quality, respect for his voters, “Old America.” Seems to me it’s pretty schizophrenic! Maybe Obama should just be Obama. McBush can just continue being Bush. We’ll just have to see if the twain meets.
In the old america, neither i nor Tiger Woods would exist. Multiracial kids born IN wedlock! It wasn’t allowed, it wasn’t spoken of, and certainly wasn’t done!
In Old America, women couldn’t vote. Much less express their opinions in the Wall Street Journal.
Good point. Anti-miscegenation laws are very Old America.
pardon the interruption
Dean’s Tuesday press conference up on CSPAN 1
or seek protection from spousal rape
“The Old and New define sacrifice differently. An Old America opinion: Abjuring a life as a corporate lawyer and choosing instead community organizing, a job that does not pay you in money but will, if you have political ambitions, provide a base and help you win office, is not precisely a sacrifice. Political office will pay you in power and fame, which will be followed in time by money (see Clinton, Bill). This has more to do with timing than sacrifice. In fact, it’s less a sacrifice than a strategy.
A New America answer: He didn’t become a rich lawyer like everyone else—and that was a sacrifice! Old America: Five years in a cage—that’s a sacrifice!”
I guess Old America forgot about this:
“On large plantations, slave overseers were authorized to whip and brutalize non-compliant slaves. Slave codes authorized, indemnified or even required the use of violence, and were denounced by abolitionists for their brutality. Both slaves and free blacks were regulated by the Black Codes and had their movements monitored by slave patrols conscripted from the white population which were allowed to use summary punishment against escapees, sometimes maiming or killing them. In addition to physical abuse and murder, slaves were at constant risk of losing members of their families if their owners decided to trade them for profit, punishment, or to pay debts.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S….._of_slaves
I didn’t see it as that way at all. I took it as McSame is a real man, the kind they don’t make anymore. A patriot who really sacrificed… …while implying Obama’s sacrifice was only for political gain.
(I haven’t read her full article, just the snippets)
That’s only part of it. The fact that she mentions “been here three generations” is pretty blatant nativism. And the overarching theme is, “America was better in 1955″ and you know what that means. Wink, wink.
They got nuthin’! They’re just throwing shit against the wall and hoping it sticks.
Before it’s over, expect to learn about Obama’s love child(ren), gay/bi/transgender lovers, illegal immigrant housekeepers, secret Communist Party meetings, and of course, the crack dealer who kept Obama supplied while in Law School.
Hold on tight, summer 2008 will definitely be no summer of love.
Yes, Bush’s character and faith have given us the economy we enjoy today as well as victories like those in Iraq and Afghanistan.
In the old America my dad was taught my country right or wrong.
In the new America we try our best to leave America a little better than we found it. However even in the old America my Dad never thought things were perfect or thought that complaining about how bad things were was wrong.
In fact complaining was a sign that work had to be done to fix things. Only GOPers think things are perfect right now and that history should stop.
And really, they haven’t been gone very long either. Tiger and I were born not 10 years after the laws allowing it were passed. It’s one of those things this generation doesn’t think about much, but i live and breathe its very existence. Something i usually don’t think about, but i do know if i was born 50 years earlier i would been an object of derision on both sides.
A really nasty thing about the old world, that.
How did I completely miss that line?!?!
I agree there is the obvious interpretation of that. That must surely be a sign it is past my bedtime.
G’nite
None of the millions of new voters bother to read the Wall Street Journal.
Slightly OT – but did anyone see The Verdict with Dan Abrams last night and here Robertson [Mod: Buchanan] call Obama “exotic”? ONe of the other panels, who happened to be black, called him out on it…
Here’s the link from YouTube – http://youtube.com/watch?v=mf8fnX9pGRA
and that would be HEAR not HERE – duh.
that is such an offensive meme
In Old America, a mixed-race child would be enslaved. If his white parent were his mother, she would receive a fine that she could not afford to pay. Additional years of indentured servitude would be added. If she was a woman of wealth, she would be banished from the town (banished from the church also, of course).
If his white parent was his father, then he would be quietly absorbed into the family – as a slave.
Were it not for the enormous participation of black soldiers (free men and slaves), the American Revolution would have been lost.
The guy shows he’s got an IQ of about 3 below plant life.
Hey, Sinclair!! Yeah, you, dipwad. Can you spell L-O-S-E-R?
Thank you, thank you….I was hoping someone caught that for the toobz…It was amazing.
why Rahm squirming so in the back?
Racism under a variety of guises is going to be the focus of the Republican campaign.
In the old America actually GOPers hated immigrants and their big famillies They hated the Germans and the haymaker riots they accused a German immigrant of stealing the Limburgh baby. They advertised for jobs saying no Negroes or Irish need apply, they accused the Jews of many horrible things from starting Murder Inc to being Neocons as well as killing Jesus I can forgive everything but the Neocons:)
Funny how as soon as a group of immigrants gets rich enough some members join the GOP and everytime the GOP flip flops and accepts them because money sees no color but poor.
don’t forget the “ideal homemaker“
It was Pat Buchanan, not Robertson..just to be precise. *g*
Hey, BT — I created a post about the ‘Old America’ of fact, not myth.
absolutely!
I saw some clips from this Sunday’s Newsmakers (CSPAN) interview with Mike Duncan, Republican National Committee Chairman. It’s on.
Did Noonan’s mother have any children that lived?
Actually for a nation of immigrants Noonan is pretty snotty because she thinks she got here first I think some Native Americans should talk to her. In the Chicago sense of the word.
Excellent!!
Dave Neiwert is very shrill.
because the Chairman is sporting his 50 State Tie – says Rahm told him to wear it *g*
Okay, I’m I the only one experiencing a red flag moment over this on Politco?
http://www.politico.com/blogs/…..icago.html
Nope!
Magic Dolphin Lady needs to quit drinking Hai Karate on the job.
And, possibly, not serious.
tw3k at 51: Fascinating…
Waaay OT, from regular FDL poster Attaturk over in Atrios’ comments:
Well, I’m just out of Downtown Des Moines.
We were asked by the city to “voluntarily” leave Downtown at our earliest convenience.
I was down looking at the Des Moines river about 8 a.m.
It’s going to be a close run thing for many business. My business is just outside the 500 year floodplain. But the parking lot isn’t.
The plain is now described by the emergency managers as “BEYOND HIGH RISK”
Cedar Rapids, which apparently had little flooding in 1993 got it bad, Iowa City too.
Des Moines preventatives from the great flood of 1993 has so far helped a great deal.
But we’ll find out for sure over the evening.
attaturk | Homepage | 06.13.08 – 1:59 pm
You know, I think you’re the first person to call me that.
he makes so many goofy faces it’s hard to watch anyone else, lol
Well, if that’s how he got to be the first black president of Harvard’s Law Review, all the more power to him!
Has anyone read the comments on Noonan’s column. Actually quite funny. Some think she’s hopelessly enamored with the “New America” and Obama. Slanted, so to speak!
What I don’t get is where has she been for the last eight years which have basically caused all the skepticism and such. Maybe she should ask the European what they think it will take to restore America’s reputation over there, because most of the data points to it will take the New America in the person of Barack Obama!
Religion is good
This from a political party whose motto ought to be greed is good.
Has Noonan read the part of the bible where it says that a camel has a better shot of going through the eye of a needle than a rich man has of going to heaven?
(Bosing)
Southern Dragon
How ya doin’?
I love your sign offs…encouraging us to be kind to All living things…
It always makes me smile.
Ah, hem, Elliot. Are you name calling? Butch? Dike? Like, Lesbo?
Even with an /S, hmmmm.
Am just wondering why.
Dean is like; 50 state, 50 state, 50 state. boooya!
I was riffing off the BT’s title. She drives me bats.
(Bosing)
That’s Bowing, but with an S, by accident.
How can you stand to read the drivel? Aren’t there filters for such things that might help prevent brain loss from having to imagine the mindset required to create it? It boggles.
Got it.
Calling someone effeminant isn’t the same as calling that person a Fag, or is it?
I’m just questioning a lot of things these days.
Thanks for responding.
:)
(bows) Konnichiwa, demi
Doin’ fine. Pysched about the big wedding tomorrow. Work is deserted. Boss complaining the bride won’t be covering in the morning. Afraid we’ll lose a sale. Sheesh. I told him this morning to put a sign on the door, “Closed for Wedding.” Thought he was gonna have a heart attack. Guess I shouldn’t upset the father of the bride day before the wedding. He’s stressed enough. Been hiding in his office for 3 days to avoid the chaos at home.
I’ve said that for longer than I can remember. I say it to folks instead of see ya, goodbye, etc. It’s been on my answering machine for years. Don’t know why I didn’t start saying it here earlier. Educating folks, one person at a time.
Sit Peggy, Sit !
more ot
“What’s at Stake: Law and Justice Policies in a New Administration,”
I believe it starts on CSPAN at 2:45
link to their convention webpage
This one seems lame even for Nooners, but not unexpected because they
over at Murdoch central casting are truly frightened of a landslide
that would force them to work for a living. It is pretty standard Ailes
dirt from the old 1968 playbook he wrote for Nixon. She should have
avoided the use of the word old, too much resonance with the obviously
tired countenance of McCain. In all, over the top for this early in the
campaign… they are running scared.
An ad for diamonds? Huh?
I suppose I could have done better than butch but I slacked it lol!
Sniff sniff, I smell burnt timbers and goat hair.
sorry, better linkage next time – scroll down
Is this still going to a surprise to the bride — dfh with earrings in a tux?
Da father sounds a little tightly wound. Poor you. Hang in there and have a blast tomorrow. BTW, interms of photos…my fantasy pix is your doing the Poney with the Bride. I mean the dance, Gawd that came out bad. I was going to say the Jerk, The Swim….any of them.
That’s MR. Idiot liberal twit to you, PB.
tsssssssssst…..
I waaaant one!!
mossad assassinated kennedy? at least i’m sitting down…
No worries. I hope you know, You’re a Doll.
(I’m just on a no name-calling thingy…I shouldn’t project…sorry.)
You call that piece of crap a blog? You’re a comedian, right?
lol, not drinking the kool-aid, IS the kool-aid.
If she’s referring to McCain when she says “Old America”, she’s not going back far enough.
Example:
“In Old America, people didn’t have to have running water, indoor plumbing or fire.”
LOL. Not to worry. I’m the world’s worse dancer. Got great balance but couldn’t keep time with Jingle Bells. And I doubt Jody even knows what the pony is. Gonna hang, drink single malt and smoke Turkish cigs.
Safe to assume the original zed has been removed? I’m having a little trouble making sense of these replies.
If ya hadn’t said anything I’d have missed it. My daddy always told me to never argue with a fool.
Nothing like colorful sugar water claiming to be healthy!
Forgot, she’s still in the dark far as I know. We’ll find out manana.
Sounds like you will have a blast!
(Kicks just getting harder to find.)
I suggest that you go to BarackObama.com and you can read all of his position papers. Or, you can also actually listen when you hear him speak; it’s such a novel concept, really.
I got seated next to a business reporter at the St Pete Times. Another crazy Viet Nam vet. Went to Kent State but was on a troop transport on the way to Nam when the shit went down. Gonna be interesting talking to him. Never met him. I’ve been told the Gov will be there as well. We’ll see.
isn’t the mention of a new america tacit admission that great white father Reagan failed ? hmmmmm ???
Not many R voting Ann Coulter readers will admit to being Republican anymore. Now they call themselves Libertarians or just patriotic Americans.
They’re in a tizzy over Michelle Obama’s 1985 college thesis that they haven’t read.
Coulter is trashing McC all over the place. Interesting. Wonder if anyone really listens to her.
Dude!!! Wowzers.
No wonder the Father of the Bride is a little uptight. Big Event!
BT
So glad you did this post. I love going after Noonan – she’s so really really stupid.
I’ve always been puzzled by the reich wingers’ great need to call themselves patriotic Americans. WTF does that mean? A nanosecond analysis tells me that if I don’t think, look or act like they do I’m unpatriotic. Morons.
Aw, man, this guy turns takin’ a leak into a crisis.
There’s a lot of that going around.
Back to the cesspool.
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.
Namaste
Jane’s upstairs.
Jane’s upstairs
I spent the morning in the garden, pruning dead blooms off of bushes and plants. It was very cathartic.
Couldn’t help thinking that everything in life should be so easy. You stay, you…snip. Bye bye.
But, then I thought that’s what voting is about. So, anyone who thinks it’s not important. Think again. Garden gloves and snippers. Ha!
Yes, now PoliticalByline at 77 shows up as 1 for some reason.
Have a blast!!
Thank goodness he’s got you there to talk him down. You’re a calming influence here, and I bet you are there, too.
Great point. Being American isn’t enough. They have to prove that they are better Americans or real Americans so they can fell more entitled than the rest of us.
Are you people on another planet or something? Did we read the same article? !
Peggy Noonan is one of Obama’s biggest fans, you would know this if you have been reading her columns for the last several months. This one is no different, she is highlighting some of the weaknesses both candidates will face but saying in the end that Obama will be the stronger candidate, and the subtext is that she likes him, even though she is a little wary.
I guess people are not allowed to have thoughtful discussions anymore.
Hello? The guy’s been in elected office for over two decades. Talking in public is part of his job. It’s a basic sign of competence. This is like deciding you want to be a chef while believing that it would be a waste of your time to learn to cook.
It’s yet more IOKIYAR crap (they make the same excuses for Bush, and did for Reagan), “Oh, it doesn’t matter that he can’t pull it together on national television.” Uh, yes it does.
The Pegster is priceless. Really, what would we do without her.
Peggity Noonan, projecting her and her kind’s faults and woes on the world. Next, she’ll call CheneyBush defenders of liberty and civil rights, appropriating the attributes of their opponents’ as her own.
There is something seriously wrong with Peggy Noonan.
“THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB EVENT WILL TAKE PLACE AS SCHEDULE, RAIN OR SHINE, BULLETTS OR EXPLOSIONS. I WILL NO BE SCARED OFF BY THE KOOL AID GANG. THATINCLUDES THE DAILY KOS, TAYLOR MARSH, DEMOCRATICUNDERGROUND, FDL, OR ANY OF THE OTHER OBAMA BLOGONOTS.”
Blogonots? Really? Sorry, Larry, that phrase just won’t ever coin.